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Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.42,0:00:18.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Welcome in the next episode on our channel Mind Wars, fight for the mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.96,0:00:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With us today we have Urszula.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.77,0:00:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good morning
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.90,0:00:40.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Urszula will tell you and us about how it all started with her.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.22,0:00:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The gangstalking in a broad sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.68,0:00:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is happening not in Poland.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.03,0:00:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it will be an interesting story, it will have much in common with TIs who live in Poland.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.46,0:01:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Welcome, Urszula.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.57,0:01:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Welcome
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.43,0:01:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tell us what was the beginning of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.96,0:01:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was the beginning of it? It started almost 20 years ago in Barcelona,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.30,0:01:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was on a train going to work, I saw a man who was looking at me strangely.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.70,0:01:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After some 5 or 6 minutes his eyes were protruding from the sockets,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.61,0:01:41.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they got enlarged and the eyes changed the color from grey to blue.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.39,0:01:42.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you noticed that.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.77,0:01:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, it was hard not to notice.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.54,0:01:52.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His hair changed from dark to a much brighter color and it became longer.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.26,0:01:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you mean, did it grew?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.70,0:01:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was as if it grew.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.29,0:01:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.64,0:02:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After 10 minutes. At that time I didn’t know what it was all about, who that person was.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.63,0:02:12.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just saw that he changed.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.96,0:02:26.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was stepping out of the train onto the platform I heard sounds out of nowhere, the sub-voices that’s how I call them.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.37,0:02:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They announced to me that he was a chief of the international police, Ramon.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.77,0:02:35.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was his surname?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.43,0:02:38.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ramon Lopez. Ramon was his name.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.67,0:02:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That “if you want you can spend the holidays with him”.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.97,0:02:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was the end of July of 1998.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.05,0:03:04.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got out and went to work, I came back to my flat after 3 hours,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.19,0:03:11.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I turned on the radio and I heard (with some music in the background) words:
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.02,0:03:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“you are the girl that he had been looking for for years - from the prophecy.”
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.50,0:03:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I recalled at that moment that I had read about something similar in a Polish newspaper.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.43,0:03:33.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suppose it was a cracovian newspaper – I don’t remember precisely.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.43,0:03:40.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I read an article about the chief of international police who gave an order
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.00,0:03:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to all police staff in the whole world to find the girl from his prophecy.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.51,0:03:57.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I remember well, the article dated from around 1990-1991.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.42,0:04:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was next? Then he played to me songs on the radio they were about love.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.82,0:04:14.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That he fell in love with me. It was a bit funny, but It was pleasant to listen to.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.90,0:04:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beautiful songs about love, songs in Spanish, although there was a song in Polish as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.06,0:04:29.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it had mixed Polish and Spanish lyrics.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.29,0:04:44.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happened next? After some half a year, when I was on my way to work I felt somebody’s eyes on me.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.43,0:04:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought it was the chief, Ramon Lopez.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.15,0:04:54.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nevertheless, I did not look at him, I recognized the way he walked.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.90,0:05:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What can I say? I walked by him, like we passed by one another.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.19,0:05:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did not look up.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.12,0:05:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After some hours I came back to my place.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.16,0:05:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I heard a voice in Polish from the walls.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.99,0:05:22.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All these added voices are in Polish.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.62,0:05:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I heard: “you will have to wait and we are to make your life pleasant”
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.33,0:05:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did not know what it was all about, in what way they would make my life more pleasant.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.55,0:05:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.11,0:05:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.06,0:05:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s how it started. Since then, he started to abuse me.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.12,0:05:46.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In what way did he abuse you?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.71,0:05:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well it started… among others… my..
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.10,0:06:01.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let’s put it differently, was it a physical maltreatment or a mental abuse?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.65,0:06:04.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, it was physical and mental as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.39,0:06:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But was it physical?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.46,0:06:06.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it was most of all physical.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.88,0:06:08.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What did physical abuse consisted in?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.85,0:06:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My bed become my torture place.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.09,0:06:13.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In what way?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.13,0:06:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Terrible pain, through remotely controlled electronic devices.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.17,0:06:25.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Terrible pain. My spine was twisted.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.43,0:06:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So an electromagnetic weapon, electromagnetic waves of extremely low frequency were directed at you?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.87,0:06:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, yes. My spine was twisted an compressed.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.97,0:06:47.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My cranial base was manipulated. I am disfigured, my cranial bones are misshaped.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.42,0:06:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It took 5 years, I was so maltreated, tortured mainly in my bed
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.74,0:06:57.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or I was intoxicated with gases in the streets, at home.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.11,0:07:03.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The gases were of biological and chemical origin.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.64,0:07:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oxides and various, various smells.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.91,0:07:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And mental abuse?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.16,0:07:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And mental abuse? Well, perhaps something like maybe laughing at me?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.74,0:07:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that for example at that moment I felt pain?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.94,0:07:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you feel that some strangers were trying to have a conversation about you?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.67,0:07:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Exchange opinions apparently among themselves but it was to you?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.94,0:07:39.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, maybe laughing at me but I didn’t care about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.01,0:07:47.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was very tired after such a night, which lasted 5 years, so to say.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.82,0:08:00.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was not aware what was going on when I got up at night to go to toilet I had to walk along the walls to support myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.36,0:08:07.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would lose consciousness in pain. I went through terrible things. Terrible.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.76,0:08:14.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My cranial bones, my cheeks, were crashed.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.27,0:08:23.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it was 5 mm but the sub-voices tell me it went up to 7 mm.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.82,0:08:26.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sub-voices? What are they?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.81,0:08:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The sub-voices that have accompanied me for the last 20 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.20,0:08:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, I see, voice-to-skull. So you have voices in your head the most extreme form of torture.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.02,0:08:42.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t know if it is voice in my head. In my opinion, they are voices from outside.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.11,0:08:48.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t have it in my ears, I don’t have them in my head.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.58,0:09:00.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps I have – I don’t know – an electrode in my brain and the voices are dispersed and I hear them even from the streets.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.64,0:09:04.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, I see. It is a standard procedure. And what about synthetic thoughts?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.73,0:09:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what about synthetic thoughts?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.81,0:09:10.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The thoughts that are not yours? Are you forced?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.17,0:09:11.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, sure. Absolutely.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.90,0:09:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I just don’t care about it at all because I am aware that they
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.90,0:09:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t know how to say this - are imposing them into me.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.60,0:09:32.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway… they present me with words or even films.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.10,0:09:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s clear. So there are visual elements that appear.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.16,0:09:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the dreams. Horrific dreams. Tortures.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.19,0:09:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many times it was such a torment that I thought in the mornings I would break down.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.37,0:09:54.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just can tell you that I remembered some 5-10 minutes then I would forget.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.35,0:09:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps it was because that I was tortured in a different way.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.28,0:10:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What way?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.66,0:10:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was poisoned with gases among others. I couldn’t breathe.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.66,0:10:09.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on the top of that, the oxygen was taken away from me.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.25,0:10:10.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.13,0:10:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was cruel. At my work chemical gases were infused and oxygen was taken away from me.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.03,0:10:22.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can feel that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.82,0:10:33.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it was only the gases, you can survive but I couldn’t make it, I lost consciousness, I fainted
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.44,0:10:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,, the oxygen was taken away from me and chemical gases were pushed in.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.55,0:10:50.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What can I say? I am being tortured, I’m a martyr.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.57,0:10:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I looked for help, I wrote to various places.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.01,0:10:59.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Poland: Nowy Sącz, Warsaw, Barcelona, Madrid, Geneva..
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.91,0:11:01.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was there any reaction?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.23,0:11:05.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...to the Pope. I also wrote a letter to Pope.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.23,0:11:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.83,0:11:10.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Apart from Warsaw.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.94,0:11:27.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They issued a letter to a District Court in Cracow and from Cracow, it was sent to a District Court in Nowy Sącz.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.04,0:11:35.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What kind of letter was it? Was it a complaint?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.05,0:11:39.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, it was a complaint. That they were not helping me in Nowy Sącz.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.68,0:11:46.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I wrote this to Warsaw. It was in 2010.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.100,0:11:56.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I told you, they sent my letter to the District Court in Cracow and they forwarded it to Nowy Sącz.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.91,0:11:59.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I filed a complaint at court.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.54,0:12:08.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it was a one-hour case only and due to the lack of evidence the case was dismissed.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.13,0:12:13.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn’t achieve more than that. It was just my sensations as it was explained to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.14,0:12:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The judge told me that it was my subjective sensations that I suffer that I hear …
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.38,0:12:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Voices yes?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.81,0:12:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I call them wiretapping.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.88,0:12:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also demanded dismantling of the whole network of wiretapping in Nowy Sącz
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.55,0:12:45.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in Barcelona and of course I didn’t obtain any help.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.70,0:12:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The wiretapping is still there just as they were 20 years ago when they were installed.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.62,0:12:56.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was unable to receive any help.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.69,0:13:00.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Last year, I wrote to the Pope, he did not reply.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.13,0:13:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wrote again I wrote more or less the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.24,0:13:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He didn’t reply either.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.47,0:13:21.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I asked the Pope to intercede with the Interpol for me so that the tortures stopped.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.10,0:13:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But unfortunately the Pope did not write back.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.57,0:13:32.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What else could I do?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.93,0:13:41.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here in Poland where you are now, do you feel that you are being followed, persecuted, tortured?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.18,0:13:49.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course! I have suffered from this for some 4-5 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.84,0:13:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They torture me with cold, they cool me to the point that I lose consciousness.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.43,0:14:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the high temperature of even up to 30 Celsius degrees,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.04,0:14:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the beach in Barcelona I was close to frozen.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.13,0:14:16.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did not freeze but it was close.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.90,0:14:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At all times I carried with me a pair of winter boots and a coat.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.31,0:14:27.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I knew that they could do such a thing to me at any time.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.34,0:14:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And although I put on the boots, the coat and a hat, I was freezing cold, , the temperature was 29 degrees.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.88,0:14:43.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was last summer.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.30,0:14:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At that time I made an appointment to make a recording with Janusz from Wrocław.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.86,0:15:01.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With Mr. Zagórski from NTV.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.39,0:15:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. We had an appointment twice. But unfortunately it did not work out. It was supposed to be via WhatApp'a.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.60,0:15:17.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Via WhatApp. Yes
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.62,0:15:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Me in Barcelona, the editor in Wrocław in the studio with his colleague.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.68,0:15:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s how he explained it to me that there will be two of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.78,0:15:31.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That we will do the recording. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.46,0:15:41.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I called them exactly at the time the editor told me to call to start the interview.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.61,0:15:51.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I called him after three days, I said: “has something happened, you didn’t answer the phone, we didn’t do the recording”.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.74,0:15:58.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Have you called at all?“ – he asked. “yes – I replied” - “I surely called at the exact time we had agreed”.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.21,0:16:12.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“He said: Let’s agree on having a second try”. It was – I suppose – one week later.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.24,0:16:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same happened: I called them several times and there was no reply.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.46,0:16:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I called after a few days and then I gave up calling. I didn’t know what it was all about.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.43,0:16:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I aslo wrote to Zofia Filipiak, the President of StopZET.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.20,0:16:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I sent her a letter from Barcelona.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.84,0:16:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zofia told me by phone, that she had received my tragic letter, in which I described all the terrible things that I went through all these years.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.49,0:16:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she was very sorry for me. She gave me the number of Sławek.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.22,0:17:00.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I called Sławek and he referred me to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.60,0:17:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Urszula, please tell us and our viewers what are the developments of this case with Interpol?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.95,0:17:23.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand that you suspect that it’s the activity by Interpol.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.74,0:17:30.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am entirely convinced that it is by the order of the boss
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.14,0:17:30.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Lopez.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.06,0:17:34.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is a Cuban, Ramon, the commander.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.65,0:17:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is he still the boss of the Interpol?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.78,0:17:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t know, I was looking for that, I asked Sławek to help me find that on the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.41,0:17:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He didn’t succeed either. He didn’t find his surname or the name on the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.91,0:17:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How did you know the name of that man?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.57,0:18:01.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They told me. They told me through the wiretapping, These criminals told me.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.04,0:18:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Didn’t you take into account that they might have given you some false name?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.68,0:18:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, no. No, surely they didn’t. I know that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.07,0:18:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since you couldn’t find it, Sławek was unable to find it either.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.07,0:18:15.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was looking for it on the internet for 15 years and I didn’t find any.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.99,0:18:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me put it this way: the name the boss of the Interpol is not secret in any way..
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.62,0:18:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they don’t allow this. The authorities that are beyond all, will not allow such a thing, this perpetrator.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.16,0:18:34.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The question is only whether it was not a nickname.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.17,0:18:41.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. Surely not, this is why not, I will make you realize this. I will convince you why I have such a strong conviction.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.28,0:19:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remembered that face as our pope went to Cuba. It was – say- 1997 – 1998 in May – I don’t remember.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.12,0:19:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In any case I saw that face and I memorized it precisely. I remember that a reporter said that he was the boss of the international TV.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.81,0:19:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reporter of what?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.88,0:19:30.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a Spanish TV. She covered the Pope John Paul II’s stay on Cuba.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.82,0:19:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, personally he isn’t anywhere in the Interpol. The name doesn’t appear anywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.61,0:19:46.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn’t find anything. Nothing, completely zero. But I know he’s there. What is very important?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.42,0:19:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to tell you that when I realized after several years that he was simply disfigurating me.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.90,0:20:05.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn’t know what is was. Was he torturing me?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.50,0:20:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn’t know what it meant, why he was doing this. Only when I realized that he disfigured me.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.44,0:20:20.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I noticed that my face is different after some time.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.25,0:20:28.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My face shape and appearance are changed, not entirely, but they are changed.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.14,0:20:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My skull is flattened here by this twisting of the base of the skull in terrible pain.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.14,0:20:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I realized that he was disfigurating me, after a couple of days I realized that I read in a Spanish newspaper it was in 1998,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.48,0:21:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a woman from South America sued him on the same grounds as me.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.21,0:21:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember now. It was a short article, an announcement rather.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.22,0:21:31.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was in the newspaper “Hola!” a magazine, not a newspaper.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.10,0:21:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, I translated it in detail that he poisoned her with gas, with various chemical gases and used electricity on her.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.28,0:21:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I read it. I remember I translated it using a dictionary.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.74,0:22:00.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a photo where a woman was almost completely blurred.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.63,0:22:07.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn’t know the word “disfigurada” – disfigurated. I needed a dictionary to translate.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.96,0:22:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was something interesting for me, what they wrote and this photo that was completely blurred.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.89,0:22:21.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She sued him, but he did not plead guilty.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.81,0:22:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These criminals from the sub-voice, the Interpol. I, obviously, say that they are a team, not the whole Interpol.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.17,0:22:49.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The closest team of Ramon Lopez. They just gave me hints.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.14,0:22:55.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I recalled that I read this, they told me that she was from Argentina, this woman.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.71,0:23:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had some associations, it seemed to me she was from South America, the sub-voices said…
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.32,0:23:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Were these not synthetic thoughts that were placed in your thoughts so that you think this.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.26,0:23:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, no, no. If it something similar was the case they might have placed the newspaper.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.28,0:23:27.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I considered this too. They might have given me the newspaper.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.03,0:23:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was in 1998, I guess the beginning.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.60,0:23:35.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now you live constantly in Spain?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:35.34,0:23:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, right now, it’s constantly. I have lived here long years but with pauses.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.21,0:23:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lived a long time in Nowy Sącz. I took care of my mother.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.82,0:23:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was in Barcelona, I came back, I went there, I came back.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.91,0:24:06.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And all that time, except for the 2 years before, sorry, the 4 first years, when I came to Barcelona, to my uncle, my cousin, I was a very happy person.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.92,0:24:15.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I liked the place very much, amazing, I fell in love with Barcelona: so beautiful, the sea, the atmosphere, the air.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.25,0:24:26.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nowy Sącz is for me … the climate is not good. When I left, I decided to just visit Nowy Sącz. And I was a very happy person.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.56,0:24:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you got the Spanish citizenship?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.15,0:24:32.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, of course not. No, sure. I’m a Polish citizen of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.31,0:24:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously I’m a Pole. I live and work here.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.33,0:24:41.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you live and work in Spain, in Barcelona?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.22,0:25:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now the question is, Urszula, how possibly do these perpetrators – my private opinion and the opinion of many viewers
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.46,0:25:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that in Poland operates a Military Information Services (WSI) unit that fortunately was dissolved, that I discussed in previous episodes,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.63,0:25:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who graduated from Soviet schools, the so called “red rabble”, who unfortunately put on Polish uniforms.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.37,0:25:39.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Mind Control technology is not a civil but a military.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.23,0:25:54.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These unleashed dogs have taken over the technology and torture Polish people this way. There’s no doubt about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.74,0:26:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Increasing number of people from the army is willing to talk to us, not in front of the cameras yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.28,0:26:25.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although we hear voices that it’s the people with connections to the Military Information Services (WSI) are responsible for tortures with directed energy weapon in Poland.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.94,0:26:37.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the outline of the situation in our country. We don’t know the situation in Spain, we would like to ask you about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.94,0:26:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to clarify, I’m sure that this a group of Interpol people from Poland.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.58,0:26:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They speak Polish all the times, these sub-voices are always in Polish.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.35,0:27:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you think in Spanish do they understand it?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.37,0:27:06.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know what, I rather think in Polish in my native language.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.37,0:27:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I rather think in my language, so they don’t have a problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.94,0:27:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even if… they have devices that translate for them immediately. It is not a difficulty for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.47,0:27:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, when I think something, they think with me, I think something, they add something.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.75,0:27:42.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I continue to think they add again. So they think with me.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.83,0:27:52.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It I will not say anything bad or harm anybody, but they are tiring me.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.60,0:28:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they have me like daydreaming all the time so to say, it’s tiring, whatever I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.26,0:28:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have my own secrets just like anyone else. And here they make suggestions on absolutely everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.91,0:28:20.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They know what I think, what’s the appearance of other people. For instance, a film on TV.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.65,0:28:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example people who have gestures similar to the ones of a friend of mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.10,0:28:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They change faces on the TV, they edit things, they change mouths or change eyes, put them lower, do make up.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.37,0:28:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why would I need such a thing. I don’t even watch TV now, it’s bad, really bad.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.67,0:29:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The wiretapping is active It lasts day and night.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.14,0:29:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have devices that produce sounds like machine engines, all engines, all machines.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.90,0:29:30.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only cars, trains, all machines absolutely, household devices like washing machine, fridge, iron – everything, they can do everything, absolutely everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.35,0:29:40.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything, everything. To some people it seems impossible like it did to my family.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.05,0:29:45.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Urszula, what else would you like to say our viewers?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.79,0:29:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that I am tortured and abused in a cruel way. I am being freezed with the gas freon.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.21,0:30:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is used in fridges. I just feel the freon, I have it placed under my nose, I can do nothing about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.11,0:30:17.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They freeze me from the inside and from the outside.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.08,0:30:22.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What else of importance?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:24.46,0:30:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They heat me, they burn my body, literally, I become unconscious.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.82,0:30:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a nightmare of my life, I am a living owen, for a couple of years, I really don’t know how I have survived.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.78,0:30:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe it’s because I’m not of an advanced age. If I waited some 10 more years, I surely wouldn’t make it.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.29,0:31:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What’s the most important, they interfere with my internal organs too.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.68,0:31:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They provoke various pains and inflammations. I also have my heart pulled.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.68,0:31:25.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s a terrible pain when they do that it seems to me that I die, they I pass away.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.76,0:31:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are of course just my thought, I nearly faint.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.77,0:32:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In these sub-voice, that come from the wiretapping, they can tell me that they pull my heart by three centimeters, they pulled it downwards and released.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.96,0:32:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A horrible, horrible pain. It also happened on a train of the same connection that I had met this boss, that I saw him.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.72,0:32:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A horrific feeling. You feel that your heart is beating, it’s not there, it’s not beating.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.31,0:32:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I immediately feel the pression that decreases in my head, in my brain.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:33.80,0:32:36.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They really do that. It’s not my sensation, suggestive feeling.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:36.36,0:32:40.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I realize that and I believe you.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.78,0:32:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, thank you very much. Thank you that you believe me. What else? Terrible things.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.41,0:32:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They broke my toe, I was walking around like that I didn’t know that it was broken.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.61,0:33:08.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just thought that they maybe did something to fracture it. I hadn’t jumped from the stairs and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.38,0:33:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hadn’t done anything that could have broken it.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.54,0:33:22.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only when I went to the doctor’s he told me that my toe was broken.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.09,0:33:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said that I hadn’t done anything that could break my toe. He showed me the x-ray photo.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.68,0:33:42.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a dreadful pain. But I had my work, I had to go to work. I walk with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.67,0:33:57.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What else, I walk with a burden as if I had butane cylinders. A nightmare.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:57.89,0:34:03.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They also tell me in the sub-voices that they do the gravity.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.76,0:34:11.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also have my foot, my both feet actually, disfigured, particularly the right one.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.68,0:34:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Due to the burdens, the horrific burdens. Or even when I shop - some bread for instance, some ham and juice to drink – not much.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:24.22,0:34:40.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s as if I had these butane cylinders. That’s the weight according to me. And it’s on both hands.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.08,0:34:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or when I don’t even carry anything they do the same to me. The nightmare. The gravity or..
Dialogue: 0,0:34:45.36,0:34:54.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once they did to me something following. I was in a hurry, going to my office to an important meeting and they stopped me.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.24,0:34:59.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I couldn’t move on. I didn’t move neither forwards nor backwards.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.17,0:35:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I stood there on the side walk and people were watching although I didn’t watch them.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.78,0:35:13.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was in fear that I would be late for the meeting and generally
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.85,0:35:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how it was going to be like and if I would be able to move on.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.80,0:35:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s all done with electricity, with electricity. Nightmare.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.24,0:35:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Krzysztof, please, help me, let this see the light, so that this case can be disclosed.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.83,0:35:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s why we are recording this for, Urszula.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:40.68,0:35:49.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will surely reach very many people both in Poland and in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.55,0:35:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a relatively high view rates, both in the US and in Japan and on the other side of the ocean they watch us too.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.20,0:36:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please, I’m asking you very much. Sincerely from my heart, I’m asking you very much and I already thank you for helping me.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.42,0:36:16.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I ask you, I beg you, to the whole world. Perhaps there will be somebody in the world that heard the same thing that I read in the newspaper.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:16.86,0:36:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that this person simply help me.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.86,0:36:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know for sure, thank you for believing me, I am 100% convinced that the perpetrator is the commander Ramon Lopez, Cuban.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.88,0:36:39.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was a brief story of Urszula, Ladies and Gentleman.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.83,0:36:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps we will do another interview with Urszula, we’ll see.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:45.58,0:36:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We’ll try to gather some more material about this topic. Today we thank you for your attention.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.40,0:37:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We invite you to see our other episodes on Mind Wars channel – fight for the mind. Thank you.