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Welcome in the next episode on our channel Mind Wars, fight for the mind.

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With us today we have Urszula.

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Good morning

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Urszula will tell you and us about how it all started with her.

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The gangstalking in a broad sense.

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It is happening not in Poland.

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I think it will be an interesting story, it will have much in common with TIs who live in Poland.

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Welcome, Urszula.

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Welcome

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Tell us what was the beginning of it.

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What was the beginning of it? It started almost 20 years ago in Barcelona,

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when I was on a train going to work, I saw a man who was looking at me strangely.

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After some 5 or 6 minutes his eyes were protruding from the sockets,

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they got enlarged and the eyes changed the color from grey to blue.

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And you noticed that.

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Yes, it was hard not to notice.

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His hair changed from dark to a much brighter color and it became longer.

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What do you mean, did it grew?

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It was as if it grew.

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OK.

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After 10 minutes. At that time I didn’t know what it was all about, who that person was.

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I just saw that he changed.

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When I was stepping out of the train onto the platform I heard sounds out of nowhere, the sub-voices that’s how I call them.

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They announced to me that he was a chief of the international police, Ramon.

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That was his surname?

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Ramon Lopez. Ramon was his name.

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That “if you want you can spend the holidays with him”.

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That was the end of July of 1998.

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I got out and went to work, I came back to my flat after 3 hours,

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I turned on the radio and I heard (with some music in the background) words:

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“you are the girl that he had been looking for for years - from the prophecy.”

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I recalled at that moment that I had read about something similar in a Polish newspaper.

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I suppose it was a cracovian newspaper – I don’t remember precisely.

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I read an article about the chief of international police who gave an order

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to all police staff in the whole world to find the girl from his prophecy.

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If I remember well, the article dated from around 1990-1991.

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What was next? Then he played to me songs on the radio they were about love.

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That he fell in love with me. It was a bit funny, but It was pleasant to listen to.

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Beautiful songs about love, songs in Spanish, although there was a song in Polish as well,

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it had mixed Polish and Spanish lyrics.

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What happened next? After some half a year, when I was on my way to work I felt somebody’s eyes on me.

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I thought it was the chief, Ramon Lopez.

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Nevertheless, I did not look at him, I recognized the way he walked.

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What can I say? I walked by him, like we passed by one another.

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I did not look up.

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After some hours I came back to my place.

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I heard a voice in Polish from the walls.

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All these added voices are in Polish.

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I heard: “you will have to wait and we are to make your life pleasant”

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I did not know what it was all about, in what way they would make my life more pleasant.

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You know.

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I know.

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It’s how it started. Since then, he started to abuse me.

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In what way did he abuse you?

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Well it started… among others… my..

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Let’s put it differently, was it a physical maltreatment or a mental abuse?

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No, it was physical and mental as well.

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But was it physical?

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But it was most of all physical.

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What did physical abuse consisted in?

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My bed become my torture place.

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In what way?

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Terrible pain, through remotely controlled electronic devices.

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Terrible pain. My spine was twisted.

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So an electromagnetic weapon, electromagnetic waves of extremely low frequency were directed at you?

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yes, yes. My spine was twisted an compressed.

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My cranial base was manipulated. I am disfigured, my cranial bones are misshaped.

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It took 5 years, I was so maltreated, tortured mainly in my bed

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or I was intoxicated with gases in the streets, at home.

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The gases were of biological and chemical origin.

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Oxides and various, various smells.

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And mental abuse?

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And mental abuse? Well, perhaps something like maybe laughing at me?

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that for example at that moment I felt pain?

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Did you feel that some strangers were trying to have a conversation about you?

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Exchange opinions apparently among themselves but it was to you?

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Well, maybe laughing at me but I didn’t care about it.

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When I was very tired after such a night, which lasted 5 years, so to say.

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I was not aware what was going on when I got up at night to go to toilet I had to walk along the walls to support myself.

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I would lose consciousness in pain. I went through terrible things. Terrible.

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My cranial bones, my cheeks, were crashed.

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I think it was 5 mm but the sub-voices tell me it went up to 7 mm.

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Sub-voices? What are they?

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The sub-voices that have accompanied me for the last 20 years.

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OK, I see, voice-to-skull. So you have voices in your head the most extreme form of torture.

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I don’t know if it is voice in my head. In my opinion, they are voices from outside.

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I don’t have it in my ears, I don’t have them in my head.

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Perhaps I have – I don’t know – an electrode in my brain and the voices are dispersed and I hear them even from the streets.

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OK, I see. It is a standard procedure. And what about synthetic thoughts?

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And what about synthetic thoughts?

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The thoughts that are not yours? Are you forced?

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Oh, sure. Absolutely.

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But I just don’t care about it at all because I am aware that they

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I don’t know how to say this - are imposing them into me.

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Anyway… they present me with words or even films.

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That’s clear. So there are visual elements that appear.

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And the dreams. Horrific dreams. Tortures.

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Many times it was such a torment that I thought in the mornings I would break down.

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I just can tell you that I remembered some 5-10 minutes then I would forget.

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Perhaps it was because that I was tortured in a different way.

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What way?

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I was poisoned with gases among others. I couldn’t breathe.

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And on the top of that, the oxygen was taken away from me.

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Sure.

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It was cruel. At my work chemical gases were infused and oxygen was taken away from me.

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You can feel that.

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If it was only the gases, you can survive but I couldn’t make it, I lost consciousness, I fainted

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, the oxygen was taken away from me and chemical gases were pushed in.

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What can I say? I am being tortured, I’m a martyr.

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I looked for help, I wrote to various places.

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In Poland: Nowy Sącz, Warsaw, Barcelona, Madrid, Geneva..

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Was there any reaction?

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...to the Pope. I also wrote a letter to Pope.

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None.

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Apart from Warsaw.

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They issued a letter to a District Court in Cracow and from Cracow, it was sent to a District Court in Nowy Sącz.

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What kind of letter was it? Was it a complaint?

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Yes, it was a complaint. That they were not helping me in Nowy Sącz.

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So I wrote this to Warsaw. It was in 2010.

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As I told you, they sent my letter to the District Court in Cracow and they forwarded it to Nowy Sącz.

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So I filed a complaint at court.

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But it was a one-hour case only and due to the lack of evidence the case was dismissed.

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I didn’t achieve more than that. It was just my sensations as it was explained to me.

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The judge told me that it was my subjective sensations that I suffer that I hear …

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Voices yes?

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I call them wiretapping.

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I also demanded dismantling of the whole network of wiretapping in Nowy Sącz

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and in Barcelona and of course I didn’t obtain any help.

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The wiretapping is still there just as they were 20 years ago when they were installed.

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I was unable to receive any help.

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Last year, I wrote to the Pope, he did not reply.

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I wrote again I wrote more or less the same.

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He didn’t reply either.

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I asked the Pope to intercede with the Interpol for me so that the tortures stopped.

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But unfortunately the Pope did not write back.

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What else could I do?

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And here in Poland where you are now, do you feel that you are being followed, persecuted, tortured?

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Of course! I have suffered from this for some 4-5 years.

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They torture me with cold, they cool me to the point that I lose consciousness.

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At the high temperature of even up to 30 Celsius degrees,

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on the beach in Barcelona I was close to frozen.

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I did not freeze but it was close.

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At all times I carried with me a pair of winter boots and a coat.

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Because I knew that they could do such a thing to me at any time.

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And although I put on the boots, the coat and a hat, I was freezing cold, , the temperature was 29 degrees.

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It was last summer.

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At that time I made an appointment to make a recording with Janusz from Wrocław.

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With Mr. Zagórski from NTV.

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Yes. We had an appointment twice. But unfortunately it did not work out. It was supposed to be via WhatApp'a.

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Via WhatApp. Yes

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Me in Barcelona, the editor in Wrocław in the studio with his colleague.

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That’s how he explained it to me that there will be two of them.

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That we will do the recording. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out.

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I called them exactly at the time the editor told me to call to start the interview.

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I called him after three days, I said: “has something happened, you didn’t answer the phone, we didn’t do the recording”.

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“Have you called at all?“ – he asked. “yes – I replied” - “I surely called at the exact time we had agreed”.

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“He said: Let’s agree on having a second try”. It was – I suppose – one week later.

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The same happened: I called them several times and there was no reply.

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I called after a few days and then I gave up calling. I didn’t know what it was all about.

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I aslo wrote to Zofia Filipiak, the President of StopZET.

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I sent her a letter from Barcelona.

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Zofia told me by phone, that she had received my tragic letter, in which I described all the terrible things that I went through all these years.

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And she was very sorry for me. She gave me the number of Sławek.

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Then I called Sławek and he referred me to you.

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Urszula, please tell us and our viewers what are the developments of this case with Interpol?

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I understand that you suspect that it’s the activity by Interpol.

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I am entirely convinced that it is by the order of the boss

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Mr. Lopez.

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He is a Cuban, Ramon, the commander.

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Is he still the boss of the Interpol?

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I don’t know, I was looking for that, I asked Sławek to help me find that on the internet.

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He didn’t succeed either. He didn’t find his surname or the name on the internet.

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How did you know the name of that man?

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They told me. They told me through the wiretapping, These criminals told me.

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Didn’t you take into account that they might have given you some false name?

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No, no. No, surely they didn’t. I know that.

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Since you couldn’t find it, Sławek was unable to find it either.

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I was looking for it on the internet for 15 years and I didn’t find any.

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Let me put it this way: the name the boss of the Interpol is not secret in any way..

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But they don’t allow this. The authorities that are beyond all, will not allow such a thing, this perpetrator.

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The question is only whether it was not a nickname.

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No. Surely not, this is why not, I will make you realize this. I will convince you why I have such a strong conviction.

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I remembered that face as our pope went to Cuba. It was – say- 1997 – 1998 in May – I don’t remember.

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In any case I saw that face and I memorized it precisely. I remember that a reporter said that he was the boss of the international TV.

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The reporter of what?

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of a Spanish TV. She covered the Pope John Paul II’s stay on Cuba.

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So, personally he isn’t anywhere in the Interpol. The name doesn’t appear anywhere.

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I couldn’t find anything. Nothing, completely zero. But I know he’s there. What is very important?

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I want to tell you that when I realized after several years that he was simply disfigurating me.

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I didn’t know what is was. Was he torturing me?

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I didn’t know what it meant, why he was doing this. Only when I realized that he disfigured me.

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I noticed that my face is different after some time.

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My face shape and appearance are changed, not entirely, but they are changed.

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My skull is flattened here by this twisting of the base of the skull in terrible pain.

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When I realized that he was disfigurating me, after a couple of days I realized that I read in a Spanish newspaper it was in 1998,

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that a woman from South America sued him on the same grounds as me.

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I remember now. It was a short article, an announcement rather.

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It was in the newspaper “Hola!” a magazine, not a newspaper.

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I said, I translated it in detail that he poisoned her with gas, with various chemical gases and used electricity on her.

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I read it. I remember I translated it using a dictionary.

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There was a photo where a woman was almost completely blurred.

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I didn’t know the word “disfigurada” – disfigurated. I needed a dictionary to translate.

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It was something interesting for me, what they wrote and this photo that was completely blurred.

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She sued him, but he did not plead guilty.

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These criminals from the sub-voice, the Interpol. I, obviously, say that they are a team, not the whole Interpol.

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The closest team of Ramon Lopez. They just gave me hints.

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When I recalled that I read this, they told me that she was from Argentina, this woman.

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I had some associations, it seemed to me she was from South America, the sub-voices said…

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Were these not synthetic thoughts that were placed in your thoughts so that you think this.

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No, no, no. If it something similar was the case they might have placed the newspaper.

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I considered this too. They might have given me the newspaper.

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It was in 1998, I guess the beginning.

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Now you live constantly in Spain?

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Yes, right now, it’s constantly. I have lived here long years but with pauses.

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I lived a long time in Nowy Sącz. I took care of my mother.

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I was in Barcelona, I came back, I went there, I came back.

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And all that time, except for the 2 years before, sorry, the 4 first years, when I came to Barcelona, to my uncle, my cousin, I was a very happy person.

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I liked the place very much, amazing, I fell in love with Barcelona: so beautiful, the sea, the atmosphere, the air.

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Nowy Sącz is for me … the climate is not good. When I left, I decided to just visit Nowy Sącz. And I was a very happy person.

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Have you got the Spanish citizenship?

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No, of course not. No, sure. I’m a Polish citizen of course.

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Obviously I’m a Pole. I live and work here.

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So you live and work in Spain, in Barcelona?

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Now the question is, Urszula, how possibly do these perpetrators – my private opinion and the opinion of many viewers

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is that in Poland operates a Military Information Services (WSI) unit that fortunately was dissolved, that I discussed in previous episodes,

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people who graduated from Soviet schools, the so called “red rabble”, who unfortunately put on Polish uniforms.

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the Mind Control technology is not a civil but a military.

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These unleashed dogs have taken over the technology and torture Polish people this way. There’s no doubt about it.

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Increasing number of people from the army is willing to talk to us, not in front of the cameras yet.

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Although we hear voices that it’s the people with connections to the Military Information Services (WSI) are responsible for tortures with directed energy weapon in Poland.

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This is the outline of the situation in our country. We don’t know the situation in Spain, we would like to ask you about it.

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I would like to clarify, I’m sure that this a group of Interpol people from Poland.

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They speak Polish all the times, these sub-voices are always in Polish.

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If you think in Spanish do they understand it?

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You know what, I rather think in Polish in my native language.

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I rather think in my language, so they don’t have a problem.

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And even if… they have devices that translate for them immediately. It is not a difficulty for them.

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For example, when I think something, they think with me, I think something, they add something.

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I continue to think they add again. So they think with me.

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It I will not say anything bad or harm anybody, but they are tiring me.

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Because they have me like daydreaming all the time so to say, it’s tiring, whatever I think.

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I have my own secrets just like anyone else. And here they make suggestions on absolutely everything.

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They know what I think, what’s the appearance of other people. For instance, a film on TV.

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For example people who have gestures similar to the ones of a friend of mind.

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They change faces on the TV, they edit things, they change mouths or change eyes, put them lower, do make up.

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Why would I need such a thing. I don’t even watch TV now, it’s bad, really bad.

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The wiretapping is active It lasts day and night.

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They have devices that produce sounds like machine engines, all engines, all machines.

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Not only cars, trains, all machines absolutely, household devices like washing machine, fridge, iron – everything, they can do everything, absolutely everything.

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Everything, everything. To some people it seems impossible like it did to my family.

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Urszula, what else would you like to say our viewers?

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I think that I am tortured and abused in a cruel way. I am being freezed with the gas freon.

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It is used in fridges. I just feel the freon, I have it placed under my nose, I can do nothing about it.

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They freeze me from the inside and from the outside.

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What else of importance?

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They heat me, they burn my body, literally, I become unconscious.

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It is a nightmare of my life, I am a living owen, for a couple of years, I really don’t know how I have survived.

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Maybe it’s because I’m not of an advanced age. If I waited some 10 more years, I surely wouldn’t make it.

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What’s the most important, they interfere with my internal organs too.

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They provoke various pains and inflammations. I also have my heart pulled.

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It’s a terrible pain when they do that it seems to me that I die, they I pass away.

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These are of course just my thought, I nearly faint.

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In these sub-voice, that come from the wiretapping, they can tell me that they pull my heart by three centimeters, they pulled it downwards and released.

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A horrible, horrible pain. It also happened on a train of the same connection that I had met this boss, that I saw him.

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A horrific feeling. You feel that your heart is beating, it’s not there, it’s not beating.

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I immediately feel the pression that decreases in my head, in my brain.

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They really do that. It’s not my sensation, suggestive feeling.

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I realize that and I believe you.

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Thank you, thank you very much. Thank you that you believe me. What else? Terrible things.

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They broke my toe, I was walking around like that I didn’t know that it was broken.

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I just thought that they maybe did something to fracture it. I hadn’t jumped from the stairs and so on.

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I hadn’t done anything that could have broken it.

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Only when I went to the doctor’s he told me that my toe was broken.

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I said that I hadn’t done anything that could break my toe. He showed me the x-ray photo.

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It was a dreadful pain. But I had my work, I had to go to work. I walk with it.

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What else, I walk with a burden as if I had butane cylinders. A nightmare.

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They also tell me in the sub-voices that they do the gravity.

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I also have my foot, my both feet actually, disfigured, particularly the right one.

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Due to the burdens, the horrific burdens. Or even when I shop - some bread for instance, some ham and juice to drink – not much.

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It’s as if I had these butane cylinders. That’s the weight according to me. And it’s on both hands.

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Or when I don’t even carry anything they do the same to me. The nightmare. The gravity or..

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Once they did to me something following. I was in a hurry, going to my office to an important meeting and they stopped me.

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And I couldn’t move on. I didn’t move neither forwards nor backwards.

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I stood there on the side walk and people were watching although I didn’t watch them.

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I was in fear that I would be late for the meeting and generally

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how it was going to be like and if I would be able to move on.

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It’s all done with electricity, with electricity. Nightmare.

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Krzysztof, please, help me, let this see the light, so that this case can be disclosed.

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That’s why we are recording this for, Urszula.

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It will surely reach very many people both in Poland and in the world.

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We have a relatively high view rates, both in the US and in Japan and on the other side of the ocean they watch us too.

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Please, I’m asking you very much. Sincerely from my heart, I’m asking you very much and I already thank you for helping me.

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I ask you, I beg you, to the whole world. Perhaps there will be somebody in the world that heard the same thing that I read in the newspaper.

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So that this person simply help me.

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I know for sure, thank you for believing me, I am 100% convinced that the perpetrator is the commander Ramon Lopez, Cuban.

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This was a brief story of Urszula, Ladies and Gentleman.

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Perhaps we will do another interview with Urszula, we’ll see.

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We’ll try to gather some more material about this topic. Today we thank you for your attention.

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We invite you to see our other episodes on Mind Wars channel – fight for the mind. Thank you.