0:00:12.074,0:00:15.764 ALFREDO JAAR: I strongly believe [br]in the power of a single idea. 0:00:17.800,0:00:21.320 So the most difficult thing [br]for me is to arrive at the… 0:00:21.320,0:00:23.161 at the essence of what you want to say. 0:00:24.000,0:00:25.120 And when you reach that… 0:00:25.120,0:00:27.816 that essential idea, it’s… 0:00:28.341,0:00:29.477 it’s extraordinary. 0:00:34.200,0:00:37.165 I could say that everything I know about art 0:00:37.480,0:00:40.501 I learn it when studying architecture. 0:00:42.120,0:00:44.848 I approach art as an architect. 0:00:45.520,0:00:50.920 And as an architect I give myself [br]a program so this program will… 0:00:50.920,0:00:53.012 will take into account a space. 0:00:54.040,0:00:57.000 Studying that space I...I… 0:00:57.000,0:01:00.829 I try to reach what we call [br]the essence of the space. 0:01:01.480,0:01:03.760 And then I combine that essence, 0:01:03.760,0:01:08.358 that finding with the essence [br]of what I’m trying to say. 0:01:13.120,0:01:16.600 Every single element has [br]been thought of in design. 0:01:16.600,0:01:19.591 Nothing is arbitrary, absolutely nothing. 0:01:20.640,0:01:24.320 The work has been fabricated by engineers or by… 0:01:24.320,0:01:28.734 by people who have the right skills for [br]the right installations I’m working with. 0:01:30.360,0:01:35.080 I’m at a point where the most [br]fascinating process for me is just 0:01:35.080,0:01:37.810 to think, to think, to think and to think. 0:01:38.440,0:01:44.059 And uhm, and then to let someone [br]else execute the project. 0:01:46.640,0:01:50.560 I have been incapable in my career to ever, 0:01:50.560,0:01:56.619 ever create a single work of art that [br]is just coming from my imagination. 0:01:59.200,0:02:03.309 My imagination starts working based on research, 0:02:04.128,0:02:11.040 based on a real life event, most of the time [br]a tragedy that I’m just starting to analyze, 0:02:11.040,0:02:15.385 to reflect on it and to...to [br]accumulate information. 0:02:16.120,0:02:18.160 But the original impulse is… 0:02:18.160,0:02:22.174 is this real life event to [br]which I’m trying to respond to. 0:02:26.560,0:02:28.151 So in the case of Rwanda, 0:02:29.122,0:02:32.361 I started following the [br]tragedy from the beginning. 0:02:32.760,0:02:37.360 I was outraged, how we were told, [br]this is happening, this is happening. 0:02:37.360,0:02:40.839 Yesterday 35,000 bodies were recovered, 0:02:41.280,0:02:45.440 they were floating on the [br]Kagera River, 35,000 bodies. 0:02:45.440,0:02:49.473 And it was just a five-line story on page 7. 0:02:51.677,0:02:55.480 So.... So I was following this story [br]and I reached a limit and I thought, 0:02:55.480,0:02:57.800 well I have to go, I have to go. 0:02:57.800,0:03:01.359 I have.... There is something [br]I would like to say about this. 0:03:01.800,0:03:04.152 And then so I just went. 0:03:05.600,0:03:08.265 And it was the most horrific [br]experience in my life. 0:03:09.000,0:03:11.680 I was getting into huge dilemmas, how… 0:03:11.680,0:03:17.813 how do you present this, respecting the [br]dignity of the people you are focusing on? 0:03:19.240,0:03:24.448 So that’s why THE RWANDA PROJECT lasted six [br]years and it’s my longest project to date. 0:03:25.120,0:03:33.240 I end up doing 21 different pieces within [br]those six years and they all failed. 0:03:33.240,0:03:34.576 That’s why I kept going, 0:03:35.080,0:03:41.856 looking for the perfect way to communicate [br]to my audience that experience. 0:03:42.800,0:03:44.228 And of course there is no way. 0:03:47.880,0:03:54.021 There is this huge gap between reality [br]and its possible representations. 0:03:55.280,0:03:58.000 And that gap is impossible to close. 0:03:58.000,0:04:02.250 So as artists we have to try different [br]strategies of representation. 0:04:02.880,0:04:05.000 And THE SILENCE OF NDUWAYEZU 0:04:05.000,0:04:13.584 is just one more attempt to represent [br]a very difficult and tragic situation. 0:04:15.116,0:04:18.416 When we say a million dead, it’s meaningless. 0:04:19.360,0:04:22.240 So the...the strategy was to… 0:04:22.240,0:04:28.166 to reduce the scale to a single human [br]being with a name, with a story. 0:04:28.880,0:04:34.597 And that helps the audience [br]to identify with that person. 0:04:35.080,0:04:41.600 And this process of identification [br]is...is fundamental to create empathy, 0:04:41.600,0:04:45.777 to create solidarity, to create [br]intellectual involvement. 0:04:47.855,0:04:51.637 The text at the entrance tells you a story. 0:04:52.120,0:04:57.920 I visited a refugee camp [br]and Nduwayezu was seated on… 0:04:57.920,0:05:03.328 on the stairs of a door...a school that [br]they had recreated inside the refugee camp. 0:05:04.440,0:05:12.691 Nduwayezu actually saw with his own eyes his [br]mother and his father killed with machetes. 0:05:14.160,0:05:20.384 His reaction was to remain silent for [br]approximately four weeks, he couldn’t speak. 0:05:24.120,0:05:30.198 For me, the heart of an exhibition [br]is really the spirit of the artist. 0:05:32.360,0:05:35.134 The spirit of what he’s trying to communicate. 0:05:38.680,0:05:43.440 I want people to...to walk in that [br]space and to feel that they have 0:05:43.440,0:05:49.240 entered into a model of thinking [br]and of looking at the world. 0:05:55.160,0:05:58.760 Coming back to...to Chile, [br]coming back as an artist is… 0:05:58.760,0:06:01.023 is an incredibly moving experience. 0:06:10.418,0:06:13.520 It was incredibly moving for me to [br]share my work for the first time 0:06:13.520,0:06:15.381 with all of my friends and family. 0:06:16.200,0:06:20.400 It was almost like starting from scratch, 0:06:20.400,0:06:23.510 because they were experiencing [br]it for the first time. 0:06:27.120,0:06:31.365 It’s a very, very emotional [br]situation, incredibly emotional. 0:06:33.800,0:06:39.290 At...at the age of five, my father decides to [br]move to this French island called Martinique. 0:06:40.360,0:06:42.699 And we lived there for ten marvelous years. 0:06:44.000,0:06:48.200 And then at the age of [br]fifteen, my father announces, 0:06:48.200,0:06:49.520 okay, we’re going back. 0:06:50.800,0:06:55.427 And we moved back to Chile which [br]was during Allende’s period. 0:06:56.560,0:07:00.547 And so we arrived in a...in [br]a country incredibly divided. 0:07:10.240,0:07:11.880 I’m so obsessed with… 0:07:11.880,0:07:16.614 with communicating a very specific [br]amount of information to the audience. 0:07:19.720,0:07:26.162 And uh, one very important [br]element is the economy of means. 0:07:35.480,0:07:38.937 Muxima is divided in ten cantos. 0:07:45.800,0:07:50.298 And each canto in itself [br]is...is structured as a haiku, 0:07:51.200,0:07:53.229 which is a short Japanese poem. 0:07:54.320,0:07:57.720 What, what fascinated me about haikus is the… 0:07:57.720,0:08:05.495 the capacity for fifteen, seventeen [br]words to communicate an entire world. 0:08:07.720,0:08:12.840 My way of thinking is pretty Cartesian [br]and it’s coming from my French education. 0:08:12.840,0:08:14.635 I’m...I’m very logical. 0:08:15.160,0:08:17.120 To make sense for me is… 0:08:17.120,0:08:19.916 is a very essential aspect of the work. 0:09:04.440,0:09:06.908 I was incredibly shy when I was a kid, 0:09:07.160,0:09:09.680 so my father took me to a psychiatrist 0:09:09.680,0:09:16.400 and the psychiatrist gave him two or three choices[br]to help me to overcome this shyness. 0:09:17.680,0:09:20.000 So he brought me home a little box of magic. 0:09:21.574,0:09:25.000 And, and I got into this [br]world and I became a magician. 0:09:30.120,0:09:34.144 And to be a magician helped [br]me to confront the audience. 0:09:34.480,0:09:41.888 And to do something when they knew that I was [br]trying to hide something, but they don’t see it. 0:09:42.602,0:09:44.115 What they see is the magic. 0:09:47.242,0:09:51.629 Before moving into filmmaking I was [br]an actor and I did a lot of theater. 0:09:52.280,0:09:54.069 I wrote plays and I directed plays. 0:09:55.160,0:09:57.909 And so when you combine the world of magic, 0:09:59.000,0:10:03.760 the world of theater and so [br]those two things plus my… 0:10:03.760,0:10:07.560 my background as an architect, [br]everything is there. 0:10:07.560,0:10:12.829 And, and that mise-en-scène that you [br]see is really a result of those things. 0:10:16.040,0:10:19.201 I had forgotten about this stuff. (LAUGHS) 0:10:23.000,0:10:29.821 I think it’s important to incorporate a [br]beauty in the work because it’s part of life. 0:10:31.080,0:10:35.000 But that doesn’t mean we [br]should just stay with beauty. 0:10:35.280,0:10:40.852 And we should not be afraid sometimes [br]to confront beauty and horror 0:10:41.440,0:10:46.134 and LET ONE HUNDRED FLOWERS BLOOM [br]probably does that in a very direct way. 0:10:47.120,0:10:51.320 And it’s based on a Chinese poem that Mao used to… 0:10:51.320,0:10:53.920 to throw a campaign asking intellectuals to 0:10:53.920,0:10:57.439 participate in the life of [br]the revolution in the ‘50s. 0:10:57.880,0:11:02.572 “Let one hundred flowers bloom, let one [br]hundred schools of thought contend.” 0:11:04.440,0:11:09.520 After one year, because intellectuals [br]were suspicious of Mao’s intentions, 0:11:09.520,0:11:12.945 they finally gave in and [br]they started speaking out. 0:11:13.680,0:11:15.944 And of course they gave great new ideas, 0:11:16.280,0:11:19.393 but they were contrary to [br]the ideals of the revolution. 0:11:19.960,0:11:22.407 And then their voices were suppressed. 0:11:25.177,0:11:31.341 So here this piece is standing as a metaphor for [br]the struggle of intellectuals all over the world. 0:11:32.286,0:11:37.840 Here we have a hundred flowers being [br]submitted to contradictory forces. 0:11:37.840,0:11:40.749 On one hand they are being [br]fed with water and light 0:11:41.400,0:11:48.720 and on the other hand they are being killed [br]by strong industrials winds and strong cold. 0:11:48.720,0:11:51.400 These flowers will be dying continuously. 0:11:51.400,0:11:52.957 We will keep replacing them. 0:11:54.720,0:11:58.880 And what connects this particular work [br]that was shown in Rome for the first time 0:11:58.880,0:12:05.580 with the Santiago situation is that instead of a [br]video that we had in Rome with Gramsci’s grave, 0:12:06.440,0:12:09.717 here we are opening a window into the Alameda. 0:12:10.640,0:12:14.080 We are less than a hundred [br]meters away from the La Moneda, 0:12:14.080,0:12:18.560 from the presidential palace where our [br]socialist president, Salvador Allende, 0:12:18.560,0:12:22.468 was killed during the military [br]coup by General Pinochet. 0:12:24.000,0:12:29.160 This piece is really making a link with [br]the immediate history of our country. 0:12:33.880,0:12:40.560 By opening a little window into this gallery [br]that happened to be on the Alameda uh, 0:12:40.560,0:12:42.880 a world of connection is created. 0:12:42.880,0:12:47.080 And...and that I think is extraordinary, [br]the power of art to do those things, 0:12:47.080,0:12:51.656 to create connections, to make [br]bridges and that fascinates me.