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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Khuda se Mutaliq Sawalat aur Ilm \Nal Kalam ka Jawab - PART 2
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Jawed Ahmad Ghamidi
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan Ilyas] Yesterday, I asked you a \Nquestion related to hypothetical statements
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we use in relation to Allah, \Nnauzubillah (I seek refuge with Allah)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That Allah can lie, or he can make a rock\Nwhich even he can lift.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You detailed out your views on these \Nkind of discussions.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a relative aspect and doubt, I \Nwant you to explain us in detail.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you are in a discussion related to\Nthe existence of God,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the argument behind confirmation for \NGod's being,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the various aspects of atheism or \Nagnosticism that are put forward.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is said that you logically conclude \Nthe arguments with intellectual evidence.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other party to the discussion is\Npuzzled with your style.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My question to you today is that,\NEven you include these
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intellectual evidences and arguments in \Nyour discussions,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People often say that a conversation \Nwith Ghamidi Sahib is very rational,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,logical, enlightened and intellectual.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, even your paradigm answers \Nthese modern suspicion or doubt
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by way of intellectual and logical \Narguments.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then what about simple and inherent \Narguments given by the Quran
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you often say?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Javed Ahmad Ghamidi] Don't you consider \Nthe inherent arguments given
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the Quran as logical?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I had earlier mentioned was that,\Nthings that evolve from a specific
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,philosophical or logical background and \Npeople present these questions just to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,?? of the religion.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the things that clearly convey \Nthat your addressee does not have that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perceptive attitude to understand or dive\Ninto something of this imperative nature.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that case you should follow ??
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arguments will be have there significance.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran itself is an example of \Nreasoning,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what sort of argumentation?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had explained that reasoning only.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I often present this reasoning, infact\NI have penned it down in my book Meezan.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you read the topic of \N"Believe in Allah" in my book,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have explained in detail that how\NAllah himself has presented arguments
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on his own essence.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the argumentation that I term \Nas Fitri "simple" reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The argumentation that is based on the\Nintellect of common people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Its evident that when we focus our \Nattention towards God, and say that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look around the world, try to comprehend \Nwhat is around you,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try to look at your own existence, try\Nto understand how God has bestowed
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different abilities and wisdom to \Ndifferent creatures in the universe.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, are they only trying to find reasons?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was actually trying to explain the way \Nof reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have never said that you should\Naccept the religious cases
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without proper reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rather, I was trying to throw light on \Nhow the Quran educates us
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to find logic in the religion and \Nreligious affairs.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are two types of things: the \Nfirst one is the knowledge that is
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,limited to our own understanding, and \Nthe discussion of argument is either
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on observation or experience.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact this is also the way of \Nargumentation
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is employed in the religion.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, there are few things that \Nhave been prohibited in the religion.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those things that have been prohibited in \Nthe religion and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why they have been prohibited in the \Nreligion.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want to base your argument on \Nwhy certain things are prohibited
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the religion on experience or observation \Nthen you can do that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Certain things are related to the world \Nthat is hidden from us and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we cannot see that, We cannot observe \Nor experience it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly, same is the case with the being\Nof God.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it is not possible the God can \Nbe shown to you or else you can
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be called up into the heavens to observe \NGod or his being.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here in this case we can make \Nlogical conclusions.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How does the Quran educate us as \Nto how we can make a
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,logical inference in relation to God.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The methods employed by our eminent \NScholars and the experts of logic
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do not relate to what has been \Nmentioned in the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course I was not having a detailed \Ndiscussion at that point in time you
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had asked me a question and I was \Nanswering that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In reality, ancient philosophy paved the\Nway for discussions and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assumptions in this matter.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you pay attention, modern \Nscience has rejected all of these.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These things were neither based\Non experience nor observation,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then what was the basis of \Nthese things.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, look at the philosophy of\Nidealism by Plato,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even Aristotle denied it immediately\Nafter him.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he clarified that in the philosophy \Nof idealism,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideas or mental images are considered at\Npar with reality.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we try to culminate all the \Nphilosophies of metaphysics in one word,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then this is it (((?))).
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the philosophy of idealism, majorly \Nmental state or circumstances are
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,considered as real.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there has been such a logical\Nconnection among the mental state
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the reality which corresponds to that\Nof a fictional author.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does he do?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He creates the plot, circumstances out of\Nhis own intellectual imagination and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also tries to visualize the characters \Nfrom his mental images and creates
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such a mutual relationship that while\Nwe read a novel or a story we feel
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like we are living a real world and \Nall the characters in it are real.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, the philosophy of metaphysics\Nwhich was even adopted by the masters
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Sufism was based on these fancy \Nimaginative interpretations.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ilyas] Please elaborate about takhayul \N(imagination)?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] Those things that do that\Nencompass your experience or observation,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is an imaginative world that you create\Non your own.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of poetry is based on Takhayul \N(imagination).
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imagination has its own beauty, but\Nonly for poetry.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not for the discovery of facts and \Nreality.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when this method was adopted then\Nthese sort of logical questions were also
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,included in it, i.e. to measure the \Ndivinity of God.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To reproach the knowledge of God.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To connect the existence of God\Nin retain to space and time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have quite often tried to throw some\Nlight and make people pay attention
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to these sort of things.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Ayaz Qadr-e-Khud Ba-Shanas"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran has taught us a great lesson,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When people started to raise questions\Non a very serious issue then the Quran
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gave a response to it in a conflux.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wama uteetum minal-ilmi illa qaleela
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e religion never proclaims that\N"come we will show you God"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would experience the divinity\Nof God.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or else come to us and we have the \Ncapability to let you observe
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the attributes of Allah in \Nthe heavens.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can inscribe the existence of God\Nby way of a sketch in front of you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None of this is real, rather the Quran\Nclearly states that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neither is none that can be compared \Nwith Allah,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if there is none like him,\NLaysa kamithlihi shay'uw,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then how can you employ the\Nconcept of similitude?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And without presumption and similitude,\Nhow can you define something which
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can neither be experienced or\Nobserved?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, the Quran has guided us that\Na person should be taught from a point
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wherein he has developed the innate\Nqualities of thinking about God.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like his existence, creatures, \Nexistence of wisdom in the creatures,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,manifestation of nature,\Nmanifestation of divinity,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,manifestation of mercy in them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When a person tries to see this \Nworld, the more he dives into it,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the sooner he accepts that there must\Nbe a creator of this universe.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is pertinent to mention that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It does not mean that, there is \Na creator" but there should be creator.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only after that the call of the\NProphets make sense to him.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After that he comes to know about \Nthe inception, power, knowledge
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Allah, as there is no other \Nintellectual method for it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Prophets educate and introduce us in this\Nregard.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had earlier explained that we\Nmust adopt this method,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tend to find reasons behind everything,\Nbut what is the procedure for it?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is similar to the fact that people\Nused to argue that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can revelations be supported by\Narguments.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can it be?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A Prophet has an experience.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God tried to establish a connect with \Na person,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by appointing someone to develop\Nthat relation.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The way something becomes an observation\Nfor us, likewise many verses are
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an act of observation for him.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which among the aforementioned things are\Never shown to us by the Prophet?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None!
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then what do we see?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We listen to the voice and speech of\Nthe Prophet.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We look at the character of the Prophet.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We listen and observe the instructions\Nabout the religion from the Prophet.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after analyzing the extraordinary \Ncharacter, personality and knowledge
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Prophet, it becomes evident and\Ndifficult to deny that he can be no other
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than someone speaking for God.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when this thing is established\Nthen, Rohe awaz e payambar mojziha ast
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and only after that he brings \Nthe instructions of God to people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And proclaims that he receives revelations\Nfrom God,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he claims to have seen the angels.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None of this requires a valid or logical \Nargument for its justification.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, this simple narration is \Nexplained to all, that when God
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,appoints his Prophet and declares that\Nhe is the creator of this world.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then whatever instruction God would give,\Nthey would not be beyond his power.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If he created me, and thousands like me,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God even claims to have created djinns\Nand Angels.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God talks about the capabilities bestowed\Nupon his angels.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God talks about the way he created djinn.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What the reason to not accept this?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, if in this case we try to apply the \Nlogical argumentation to prove the genie,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it would be wrong method employed.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately, in our traditions these \Nmethods were adopted in order to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,restrain the speaker by asking questions \Nbased on logical argumentation.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the reason all this become \Nmeaningless and spiritless in the history.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't find anything of this sort now,\Notherwise it should been a part of
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discussion, having a status of \Nfactual reality.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is still in practice?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The innate argument of the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes you think about your \Ninternal values,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it helps you with the explanation\Nof submission to God.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Its says that if the remembrance of the \NQuran is absorbed in you, but its signs
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could have been found in your existence.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the Quran guide you to walk through \Nthese signs,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introduces the creators creatures, \Nlikewise with the the universe.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look in the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran presents a beautiful model of\Nevery thing by way of deductive logic
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and/or intellectual argumentation.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This aforementioned argumentation is \Nsensual, deductive as well as a part of
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,personal argument, when the Prophet \Nmanifests his Prophet hood. ((?))
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the argument that I have explained\Nin great detail and I have even enumerated
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this argument in my book Meezan.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where in my speech or in my book,\Nhave I detailed out anything of this sort
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in sync with what the scholars of \Nreligion say.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did I ever say anything like, \NIf God can lie or not?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ilyas] Thank You Ghamidi Sahab.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have beautifully detailed out\Nyour point of view.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the last few seconds, I want you to\Nplease comment on this as a whole.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In our society when some of our modern \Nintellectuals and philosophers adopted
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this interpretation. Many religious \Nscholars rejects their interpretation
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it dint appear to be in sync with their\Nlogical understanding. For instance,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Djin, Heaven and hell, like we discussed \Nthe works of Sir Syed, and others.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it the same reason that they just have\Na scope of one possibility,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no room for any other \Ninterpretation,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore they reject it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] Exactly, this is the case.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran has made it amply clear as to\Nhow to know the limits of your knowledge,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what degree one can rely on \Ndeductive logic.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To what extend you have to pay attention\Ntowards your inner self and find
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the innate level of science that existed \Nwithin you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to find the place where the Prophets \Nwould guide you further.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Each of these aforementioned situations\Nhave a level of intellectual argument
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when this argument is ascertained\Nonly then you enter the world of
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observation and experience.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is matter of method,\Nwhich method is to be employed?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The method of argumentation mentioned \Nin the Quran must be adopted.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This method was adopted by Maulana \NAmeen Ahsan Islahi in his books,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like in Haqeeqat-e-Shirk, \NHaqeeqat-e-Tawheed.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This method was adopted in the \Ndeliberation of the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can find lot of examples of this \Nadopted method,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the works of many people of \Nknowledge.