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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.21,0:00:03.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Questions about God and the answers \Nprovided by Ilm al Kalam - PART 2
Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.79,0:00:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Javed Ahmad Ghamidi
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.32,0:00:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan Ilyas] Yesterday, I asked you a \Nquestion related to hypothetical sentences
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.07,0:00:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we often use in relation to God, \Nnauzubillah (I seek refuge with Allah)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.31,0:00:15.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can Allah lie, or can He make a rock\Nthat even he cannot Himself lift.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.63,0:00:19.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You detailed out your views on these \Ndiscussions.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.42,0:00:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a related aspect to it as well \Nas a doubt,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.96,0:00:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want you to explain it to us in detail.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.10,0:00:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you are in a discussion related to\Nthe existence of God,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.76,0:00:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the argument behind the proof for \NGod's being,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.28,0:00:35.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the various aspects of atheism or \Nagnosticism that are put forward.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.20,0:00:42.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is said that you logically refute\Nthe arguments with intellectual evidence.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.07,0:00:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other party to the discussion is\Ndefeated by your refutations.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.82,0:00:48.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My question to you today is that,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.68,0:00:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even you include these intellectual \Nevidences & arguments in your discussions,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.44,0:00:55.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also, one has an impression, I would \Nrequest you to include it in your answer
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.25,0:00:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People often say that Ghamidi Sahib \Nconversation is very rational,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.36,0:01:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,logical, enlightened and intellectual.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.87,0:01:04.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, in your paradigm provides answers to \Nthese contemporary suspicions and doubts
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.87,0:01:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by way of intellectual and logical \Narguments.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.13,0:01:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then what happens to the natural, inherent \Narguments given by the Quran
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.73,0:01:11.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you often claim?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.43,0:01:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Javed Ahmad Ghamidi] Don't you consider \Nthe simple, 'fitri' arguments given
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.58,0:01:16.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the Quran as being rational?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.34,0:01:24.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I had earlier mentioned was that:\Nthings that evolve from a specific
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.59,0:01:27.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,philosophical or logical background.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.14,0:01:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People present these questions just so as\Nto derive some enjoyment from them
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.20,0:01:33.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the process ridicule religion.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.94,0:01:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the things that clearly convey \Nthat your addressee does not have the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.48,0:01:47.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perception, attitude, or an acumen of \Ninterest to understand or
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.86,0:01:52.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dive into something of this kind of\Ndiscourse.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.20,0:01:55.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that case you should try to ignore or \Nexcuse yourself from such arguments.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.81,0:01:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arguments will have there own \Nsignificance.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.84,0:02:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran itself is full of \Nreasoning,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.51,0:02:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what sort of reasoning?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.14,0:02:05.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All I had explained was the reasoning\Nwithin the Quran itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.100,0:02:09.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have often explicated the reasoning\Nthat the Quran puts forth.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.56,0:02:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Infact, I have penned it down \Nin my book Meezan.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.12,0:02:18.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you read the chapter on \N"Belief in Allah" in my book, Meezan.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.20,0:02:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have explained in detail that how
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.15,0:02:25.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God has presented arguments \Nabout his own existence.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.92,0:02:29.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the form of reasoning that I term \Nas Fitri "intuitive" reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.17,0:02:33.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The argumentation that is based on \Ncommon sense premises.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.69,0:02:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is evident that when we focus our \Nattention towards God's Being and say that
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.28,0:02:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look around the world, try to comprehend \Nwhat is around you,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.28,0:02:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try to look at your own existence and\Nunderstand how God has bestowed
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.28,0:02:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different abilities and wisdom to \Ndifferent creatures in the universe.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.20,0:02:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, aren't we engaging in a reasoning\Nprocess?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.46,0:02:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was actually making a comment on the \Nmethod of reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.53,0:03:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have never said that you should\Naccept the premises of religion
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.53,0:03:03.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without even thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.92,0:03:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rather, I was trying to throw light on \Nhow the Quran educates us
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.92,0:03:11.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to engage in reasoning in religion and \Nreligious affairs.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.60,0:03:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are two types of things: the \Nfirst one is the knowledge that is
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.44,0:03:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,limited to our own understanding, and \Nthe basis of argumentation is only
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.41,0:03:27.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our own observation or experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.40,0:03:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, this way of argumentation\Nis also adopted in the religion.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.76,0:03:36.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, there are few things that \Nhave been prohibited in the religion.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.27,0:03:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are these things prohibited in the \Nreligion?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.36,0:03:42.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are the basis for it?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.97,0:03:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you can base your argument on \Nwhy certain things are prohibited
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.76,0:03:47.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in religion on experience or \Nobservation, then you may do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.27,0:03:53.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Certain things are related to the world \Nthat is hidden from us and
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.80,0:03:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we cannot see it, or else we cannot \Nobserve or experience it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.100,0:04:02.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly, same is the case with the being\Nof God.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.96,0:04:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although, it is not possible the God can \Nbe shown or else you can
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.63,0:04:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be called up to the heavens to observe \NGod or his being.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.70,0:04:13.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, here in this case we will make use\Nof deductive reasoning
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.56,0:04:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How does the Quran educate us as \Nto how we can make
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.98,0:04:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a deductive inference in relation to God?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.51,0:04:22.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The methods employed by our Kalam\Ntheologians and the experts of logic
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.87,0:04:26.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do not relate to what has been \Nmentioned in the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.87,0:04:30.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course I was not having a detailed \Ndiscussion at that point in time,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.87,0:04:33.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you had asked me a question and I was \Nanswering that briefly.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.83,0:04:37.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In reality, ancient philosophy paved the\Nway for discussions and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.83,0:04:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assumptions in this matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.87,0:04:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you pay attention, modern \Nscience has rejected all of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.47,0:04:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These things were neither based\Non experience nor observation,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.25,0:04:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then what was the real basis of \Nthese things?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.48,0:04:54.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, look at the philosophy of\Nidealism by Plato,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.99,0:04:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even Aristotle denied it immediately\Nafter him.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.20,0:05:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he clarified that in the philosophy \Nof idealism,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.31,0:05:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideas or mental images are considered at\Npar with reality.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.05,0:05:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we try to culminate all the \Nphilosophies of metaphysics in one word,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.82,0:05:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then this is it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.14,0:05:15.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the philosophy of idealism, majorly \Nmental states or realms are
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.21,0:05:16.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,considered as real.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.94,0:05:20.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there has been such a logical\Nconnection among the mental state
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.94,0:05:26.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the reality which corresponds to that\Nof a fictional author.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.83,0:05:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does he do?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.50,0:05:33.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He creates the plot, circumstances out of\Nhis own intellectual imagination and
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.89,0:05:37.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also tries to visualize the characters \Nfrom his mental images and creates
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.89,0:05:45.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such a mutual relationship that just like\Nwhen we read a novel or a story we feel
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.27,0:05:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like we are living a real world and \Nall the characters in it are real.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.22,0:05:53.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, the philosophy of metaphysics\Nwhich was even adopted by the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.22,0:05:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,masters of Sufism was based on this fancy\Nand imaginative interpretations.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.23,0:06:01.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ilyas] Please elaborate about takhayul \N(imagination)?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.01,0:06:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] Those things that do that\Nencompass your experience or observation,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.75,0:06:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is an imaginative world that you create\Non your own.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.61,0:06:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of poetry is based on Takhayul \N(imagination).
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.60,0:06:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imagination has its own beauty, but\Nfor poetry.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.96,0:06:14.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not for the discovery of facts and \Nreality.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.63,0:06:18.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when this method was adopted then\Nthese sort of logical questions were also
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.63,0:06:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,included in it, i.e. to measure the \Ndivinity of God.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.65,0:06:24.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To define the knowledge of God.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.11,0:06:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To contain the existence of God, who is\Ntranscendent,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.63,0:06:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the limit of space and time.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.78,0:06:35.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have quite often tried to throw some\Nlight and make people pay attention
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.78,0:06:37.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to these sort of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.43,0:06:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Ayaz Qadr-e-Khud Ba-Shanas"
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.47,0:06:42.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran has taught us a great lesson,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.19,0:06:46.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When people started to raise questions\Non a very serious issue then the Quran
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.19,0:06:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gave a response to it in a concise way.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.60,0:06:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wama uteetum minal-ilmi illa qaleela
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.98,0:06:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e religion never proclaims that\N"come we will show you God"
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.24,0:07:00.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would experience the divinity\Nof God.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.66,0:07:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or else come to us and we have the \Ncapability to let you observe
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.98,0:07:09.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the attributes of Allah in \Nthe heavens, or that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.89,0:07:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can inscribe the existence of God\Nby way of a sketch in front of you.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.60,0:07:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None of this is real, rather the Quran\Nclearly states that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.37,0:07:26.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is nothing that can be compared \Nwith Allah,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.46,0:07:29.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if there is none like him,\NLaysa kamithlihi shay'un,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.93,0:07:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then how can you employ the\Nconcept of similitude?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.31,0:07:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And without presumption and similitude,\Nhow can you define something which
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.96,0:07:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can neither be experienced or\Nobserved?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.52,0:07:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, the Quran has guided us that\Na person should be taught from a point
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.44,0:07:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wherein he is compelled to think about God\Nin a natural, 'fitri' way.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.55,0:07:56.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like his own existence, or that of other\Ncreatures, the manifestation of wisdom
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.55,0:08:00.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in those creatures, manifestation of \Nnature, manifestation of divinity,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.55,0:08:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,manifestation of mercy in them.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.56,0:08:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When a person tries to see this \Nworld, the more he dives into it,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.31,0:08:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the sooner he accepts that there must\Nbe a creator of this universe.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.89,0:08:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is pertinent to mention that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.33,0:08:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It does not mean that there is a creator"\Nbut there should be creator.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.83,0:08:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only after that the call of the\NProphets make sense to him.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.61,0:08:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After that he comes to know about \Nthe inception, power, knowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.80,0:08:30.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Allah, as there is no other \Nintellectual method for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.19,0:08:36.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Prophets educate and introduce us in this\Nregard.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.46,0:08:40.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had earlier explained that we\Nmust adopt this method,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.46,0:08:44.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tend to find reasons behind everything,\Nand all the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.59,0:08:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what is the procedure for it?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.40,0:08:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is similar to the fact that people\Nused to argue for centuries that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.23,0:08:55.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can revelations be supported by\Narguments.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.60,0:08:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can it be?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.41,0:08:59.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A Prophet has an experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.51,0:09:03.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God tried to establish a connect with \Na person,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.51,0:09:06.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by appointing someone to develop\Nthat relation.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.45,0:09:10.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The way something becomes an observation\Nfor us, likewise many verses are
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.45,0:09:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an act of observation for him.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.16,0:09:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which among the aforementioned things are\Never shown to us by the Prophet?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.27,0:09:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None of it!
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.78,0:09:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then what do we see?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.86,0:09:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We listen to the voice and speech of\Nthe Prophet.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.38,0:09:27.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We look at the character of the Prophet.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.75,0:09:32.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We listen and observe the instructions\Nabout the religion from the Prophet.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.65,0:09:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after analyzing the extraordinary \Ncharacter, personality and knowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.62,0:09:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Prophet, it becomes difficult to \Ndeny in light of knowledge and intellect
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.11,0:09:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he can be no other than \Nsomeone authorized by God.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.76,0:09:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when this thing is established\Nthen, Rohe awaz e payambar mojiza ast
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.74,0:09:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and only after that he brings \Nthe instructions of God to people.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.43,0:10:02.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Prophet (pbuh) proclaims that \Nhe receives revelations from God,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.76,0:10:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he claims to have seen the angels.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.48,0:10:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None of this requires a logical \Nargument for its justification.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.16,0:10:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, this simple narration is \Nexplained to all, that when God
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.16,0:10:19.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,appoints his Prophet and declares that\Nhe is the creator of this world.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.76,0:10:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then whatever instruction God would give,\Nthey would not be beyond his power.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.42,0:10:28.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If he created me, and thousands like me,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.20,0:10:33.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God even claims to have created djinns\Nand Angels.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.05,0:10:37.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God talks about the capabilities bestowed\Nupon his angels.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.81,0:10:41.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God talks about the way he created djinn.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.26,0:10:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What the reason to not accept this?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.08,0:10:49.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, if in this case, we try to apply the \Nlogical argumentation to prove djinn,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.56,0:10:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it would be wrong method employed.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.02,0:10:58.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately, in our traditions these \Nmethods were adopted in order to
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.52,0:11:05.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,restrain your interlocutor by cooking up \Nhighly complicated and intricate texts.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.85,0:11:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the reason all this became \Nmeaningless and spiritless gradually
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.27,0:11:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't find anything of this sort now,\Notherwise it should been a part of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.55,0:11:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discussion, having a status of \Nfactual reality.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.83,0:11:17.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is still in practice as a \Nfactual reality?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.77,0:11:19.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The innate argument of the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.36,0:11:22.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes you think about your \Ninternal values,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.64,0:11:26.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It related to you the story of the\N'Ahd-e Alast' (Covenant with God).
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.14,0:11:32.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It says that if the memory of the covenant\Nis forgotten by you, but its signs
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.34,0:11:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would still be found in your existence.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.33,0:11:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the Quran guides you to walk through \Nthese signs,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.32,0:11:43.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introduces the creator's creatures, \Nlikewise with the universe.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.72,0:11:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look in the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.86,0:11:50.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran presents a beautiful model to us\Nby way of deductive logic
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.86,0:11:52.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and/or intellectual argumentation.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.60,0:11:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This aforementioned argumentation is \Nintuitive, deductive and also becomes
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.45,0:12:02.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sensory, once the judgment is manifested\Nthrough the person of the Messenger.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.88,0:12:08.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the argument that I have explained\Nin great detail and I have even described
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.15,0:12:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this argument in my book Meezan.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.69,0:12:14.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where in my speech or in my book,\Nhave I detailed out anything of this sort
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.69,0:12:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in sync with what the kalam theologians \Nsay?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.45,0:12:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did I ever say anything like, \NIf God can lie or not?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.28,0:12:21.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ilyas] Thank You Ghamidi Sahab.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.41,0:12:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have beautifully detailed out\Nyour point of view.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.01,0:12:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the last few seconds, I want you to\Nplease comment on this as a whole.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.48,0:12:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In our society when some of our modern \Nintellectuals and philosophers adopted
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.48,0:12:36.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this interpretation, many religious \Nscholars rejected their interpretation
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.31,0:12:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it didn't appear to be in line with\Ntheir own understanding. For instance,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.85,0:12:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Djin, Heaven and hell, like we discussed \Nthe works of Sir Syed, Parvez Saab, etc.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.54,0:12:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it the same reason that they just have\Na scope of one possibility,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.97,0:12:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no room for any other \Ninterpretation,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.54,0:12:50.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore they rejected it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.45,0:12:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] Exactly, this is the case.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.01,0:12:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran has made it amply clear as to\Nhow to know the limits of your knowledge,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.63,0:12:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what degree one can rely on \Ndeductive logic.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.96,0:13:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To what extend you have to pay attention\Ntowards your inner self and find
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.86,0:13:07.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the innate kind of knowledge that exists\Nwithin you.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.51,0:13:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to reach the place from where the \NProphets would guide you further.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.10,0:13:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Each of these aforementioned situations\Nhave a level of intellectual argument
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.10,0:13:21.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when this argument is ascertained,\Nonly then you enter the world of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.47,0:13:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observation and experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.46,0:13:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a matter of method,\Nwhich method is to be employed?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.74,0:13:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The method of argumentation mentioned \Nin the Quran must be adopted.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.00,0:13:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This method was adopted by Maulana \NAmeen Ahsan Islahi in his books,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.78,0:13:36.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like in Haqeeqat-e Shirk, \NHaqeeqat-e Tawheed.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.03,0:13:38.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This method was adopted in the \Nhis Tafseer Tadabbur-e Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.17,0:13:41.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can find a lot of examples of these \Nadopted methods,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.83,0:13:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the works of many scholars.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.28,0:13:45.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have also adopted the same method.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.23,0:13:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a way to heal your heart.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.72,0:13:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It becomes a message from God for \Nthe existence of humanity.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.72,0:13:53.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran has taught us this method.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.79,0:13:56.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, I have tried to focus your\Nattention on the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.05,0:13:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way of arguments based on the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.60,0:14:00.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why would I not emphasize on the \Narguments that are backed by the Quran?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.87,0:14:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I keep on saying that Quran is \Ncomplete and enough to prove
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.28,0:14:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all its premises.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.29,0:14:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't need to focus our attention\Ntowards anything else.