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Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.88,0:12:46.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, hi kids! I have an incredible message for you.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.11,0:12:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey, can someone take Germa back to the petting zoo?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.72,0:12:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wow! That looks like fun.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.67,0:12:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, where was I? Oh, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.46,0:12:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 2014, kids 12 and under come free.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.32,0:12:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey! Shouldn't the comets be in the Planetarium?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.78,0:13:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the entire year, kids 12 and under come free.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.04,0:13:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey, T-Rex! You'd better get back to the dinosaur den.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.12,0:13:06.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you can see, it's a very exciting place.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.82,0:13:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now tell your parents!
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.98,0:13:11.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kids 12 and under free in 2014 when accompanied by a paying adult.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.65,0:13:13.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We hope to see you soon!
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.47,0:13:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good evening. I'm pleased to welcome you to Legacy Hall
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.51,0:13:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.25,0:13:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the metropolitan area of Cincinnati.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.08,0:13:26.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Tom Foreman from CNN and I'm pleased to be tonight's
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.01,0:13:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moderator for this Evolution versus Creation debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.20,0:13:32.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a very old question! Where did we come from?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.22,0:13:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My answer is from Washington this morning by airplane.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.76,0:13:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughter from audience)
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.99,0:13:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there is a much more profound, longer answer
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.80,0:13:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people have sought after for a long time.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.98,0:13:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So tonight's question to be debated is the following:
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.88,0:13:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is Creation a viable model of origins in today's modern, scientific era?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.17,0:13:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our welcome extends to hundreds of thousands of people
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.01,0:14:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are watching on the internet at debatelive.org.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.84,0:14:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're glad you have joined us.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.94,0:14:05.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, your auditorium here,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.05,0:14:06.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of the folks who've joined us as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.42,0:14:09.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're joined by 70 media representatives from many
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.99,0:14:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the world's great news organizations.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.67,0:14:13.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're glad to have them here as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.59,0:14:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now let's welcome our debaters: Mr. Bill Nye and Mr. Ken Ham.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.98,0:14:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience applauds)
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.03,0:14:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had a coin toss earlier to determine
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.20,0:14:52.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who would go first of these two men.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.24,0:14:54.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only thing missing was Joe Namath in a fur coat.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.37,0:14:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it went very well. Mr. Ham won the coin toss
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.11,0:15:04.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he opted to speak first. But first, let me tell you
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.03,0:15:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit about both of these gentlemen.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.70,0:15:08.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Nye's website describes him as a scientist,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.18,0:15:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,engineer, comedian, author, and inventor.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.48,0:15:14.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr Nye, as you may know, produced a number of award-winning TV shows,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.15,0:15:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including a program he became so well-known for:
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.75,0:15:19.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bill Nye the Science Guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.15,0:15:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While working on the Science Guy show, Mr. Nye won
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.92,0:15:24.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seven national Emmy awards for writing, performing,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.69,0:15:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and producing the show. Won 18 Emmys in five years!
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.65,0:15:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In between creating the shows, he wrote five kids books about science,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.75,0:15:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including his latest title, {\i1}Bill Nye's Great Big Book of Tiny Germs{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.92,0:15:40.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Billy Nye is the host of three television series:
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.45,0:15:42.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his program, "The 100 Greatest Discoveries"--
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.75,0:15:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it airs on the Science Channel. "The Eyes of Nye"--
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.92,0:15:48.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,airs on PBS stations across the country. He frequenly appears
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.28,0:15:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on interview programs to discuss a variety of science topics.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.28,0:15:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Nye serves as Executive Director of the Planetary Society,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.28,0:15:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world's largest space interest group.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.70,0:16:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is a graduate of Cornell, with a Bachelors
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.53,0:16:03.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.19,0:16:07.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Ken Ham is the president and co-founder of Answers in Genesis,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.85,0:16:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a bible-defending organization that upholds the authority
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.98,0:16:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the scriptures from the very first verse.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.86,0:16:16.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Ham is the man behind the popular, high-tech
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.78,0:16:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creation Museum, where we're holding this debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.83,0:16:21.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The museum has had 2 million visitors in six years
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.33,0:16:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and has attracted much of the world's media.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.29,0:16:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Answers in Genesis website, as well, trafficked
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.05,0:16:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with 2 million visitors alone last month. Mr. Ham is also
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.16,0:16:32.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a best-selling author, a much in-demand speaker,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.58,0:16:36.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the host of a daily radio feature carried on 700 plus stations.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.95,0:16:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is his second public debate on Evolution and Creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.89,0:16:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first was at Harvard, in the 1990s.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.85,0:16:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Ham is a native of Australia. He earned
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.52,0:16:48.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Bachelors degree in Applied Science, with an emphasis in
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.99,0:16:52.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Environmental Biology, from the Queensland's Institute of Technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.61,0:16:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as a Diploma of Education at the University
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.83,0:16:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Queensland in Brisbon, Australia.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.24,0:17:02.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now...Mr. Ham, you opted to go first, so you will
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.62,0:17:05.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be first with your five minute opening statement.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.88,0:17:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, good evening. I know that not everyone watching
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.12,0:17:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this debate will necessarily agree with what I have to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.44,0:17:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm an Aussie and live over here in America
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.61,0:17:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they tell me I have an accent and so it doesn't matter
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.12,0:17:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I say, some people tell me. We just like to hear you saying it. (laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.61,0:17:26.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So...um...I hope you enjoy me saying it anyway.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.67,0:17:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the debate topic is this: Is Creation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.08,0:17:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a viable model of origins in today's modern scientific era?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.96,0:17:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, when this was first announced on the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.58,0:17:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were lots of statements-- like this one
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.55,0:17:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Richard Dawkins Foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.50,0:17:42.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Scientists should not debate Creationists. Period."
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.09,0:17:45.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this one from one of the Discovery.com websites.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.67,0:17:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Should Scientists Debate Creationists?"
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.96,0:17:50.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, right here I believe there's a gross misrepresentation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.39,0:17:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our culture. We're seeing people being indoctrinated
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.00,0:17:57.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to believe that Creationists can't be Scientists.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.62,0:18:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe it's all a part of secularists hi-jacking the word "Science".
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.50,0:18:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want you to meet a modern-day scientist who's a Biblical Creationist.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.50,0:18:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Stuart Burgess.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.38,0:18:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a professor of Engineering Design at Bristol University in the U.K.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.47,0:18:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have published over 130 scientific papers on
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.04,0:18:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the science of design in Engineering and Biological systems.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.21,0:18:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From my research work, I have found that the scientific evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.77,0:18:35.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fully supports Creationism as the best explanation to origins.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.24,0:18:39.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've also designed major parts of spacecrafts,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.94,0:18:41.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,launched by ESA and NASA.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.83,0:18:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here's a biblical Creationist,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.80,0:18:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's a scientist, who's also an inventor.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.21,0:18:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want young people to understand that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.67,0:18:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, the problem, I believe, is this: we need to define terms correctly.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.93,0:18:55.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to define Creation/Evolution in regard to origins
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.100,0:18:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we need to define science. And in this opening statement,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.88,0:19:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to concentrate on dealing with the word "science".
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.60,0:19:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe the word "science" has been hijacked by secularists.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.22,0:19:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, what is science?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.55,0:19:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the origin of the word comes from the Classical Latin "scientia",
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.94,0:19:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means "to know". And if you look up a dictionary,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.39,0:19:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it'll say science means "the state of knowing, knowledge".
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.91,0:19:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's different types of knowledge and I believe
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.00,0:19:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is where the confusion lies.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.46,0:19:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's experimental or observational sciences, as we call it.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.70,0:19:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's using the scientific method, observation,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.40,0:19:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,measurement, experiment, testing. That's what produces
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.50,0:19:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our technology, computers, spacecraft, jet planes,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.06,0:19:35.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smoke detectors, looking at DNA, antibiotics, medicines and vaccines.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.19,0:19:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, all scientists, whether Creationists or Evolutionists,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.16,0:19:43.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually have the same observational or experimental science.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.61,0:19:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it doesn't matter whether you're a Creationist or an Evolutionist,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.23,0:19:47.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can be a great scientist.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.51,0:19:49.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, here's an atheist, who is a great scientist--
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.69,0:19:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Craig Venter, one of the first researchers to sequence the human genome.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.70,0:19:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or Dr. Raymond Damadian. He is a man who invented
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.12,0:20:01.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the MRI scan and revolutionized medicine. He's a biblical Creationist.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.23,0:20:03.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I want us to also understand molecules-to-man
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.67,0:20:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evolution belief has nothing to do with developing technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.06,0:20:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, when we're talking about origins, we're talking about the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.17,0:20:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're talking about our origins. We weren't there.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.67,0:20:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't observe that, whether it's molecules-to-man evolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.72,0:20:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or whether it's a creation account.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.50,0:20:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, you're talking about the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.31,0:20:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'd like to call that Origins or Historical Science,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.14,0:20:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge concerning the past. Here at the Creation Museum,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.34,0:20:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we make no apology about the fact that our Origins or Historical science
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.64,0:20:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually is based upon the biblical account of origins.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.22,0:20:36.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, when you research science textbooks being used
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.55,0:20:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in public schools, what we found is this:
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.00,0:20:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by and large, the Origins or Historical Science
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.23,0:20:46.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is based upon man's ideas about the past--for instance, the ideas of Darwin.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.06,0:20:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And our research has found that public school textbooks
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.31,0:20:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are using the same word "science" for Observational Science
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.27,0:20:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Historical Science. They arbitrarily define science
Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.50,0:20:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as naturalism and outlaw the supernatural.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.20,0:21:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They present molecules-to-man evolution as fact.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.98,0:21:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are imposing, I believe, the religion
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.00,0:21:06.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of naturalism or atheism on generations of students.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.51,0:21:09.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, I assert that the word "science" has been hijacked
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.89,0:21:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by secularists in teaching evolution to force the religion
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.14,0:21:15.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of naturalism on generations of kids.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.43,0:21:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Secular evolutionists teach that all life developed
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.60,0:21:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by natural processes from some primordial form.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.66,0:21:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That man is just an evolved animal, which has great bearing
Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.80,0:21:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on how we view life and death.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.41,0:21:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, as Bill states, "It's very hard to accept,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.60,0:21:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for many of us, that when you die, it's over."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.73,0:21:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, you see, the Bible gives a totally different account of origins,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.84,0:21:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of who we are, where we came from, the meaning of life, and our future.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.24,0:21:41.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.75,0:21:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.87,0:21:48.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whoever believes in Him should not perish and have everlasting life.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.70,0:21:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So is creation a viable model of origins in today's modern scientific era?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.57,0:21:56.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I say the creation/evolution debate is a conflict
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.25,0:21:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between two philosophical worldviews based on two different accounts
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.42,0:22:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of origins or science beliefs and creation
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.32,0:22:05.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the only viable model of historical science confirmed
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.57,0:22:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by observational science in today's modern scientific era.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.24,0:22:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is time. I had the unenviable job of being the time-keeper here.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.39,0:22:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm like the referee in football that you don't like,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.24,0:22:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I will periodically, if either one of our debaters
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.13,0:22:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,runs over on anything, I will stop them in the name of keeping it fair for all.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.28,0:22:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh, Mr. Ham, thank you for your comments. Now it's Mr. Nye's
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.90,0:22:29.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turn for a five minute opening statement. Mr. Nye.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.33,0:22:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.02,0:22:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I very much appreciate you including me in your, uh, facility here.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.13,0:22:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, looking around the room I think I see just one bow tie.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.07,0:22:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that right? Just one. And I'm telling you, once you try it--
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.74,0:22:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh, there's yes, two! That's great. I started wearing bow ties
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.34,0:22:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was young, in high school.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.92,0:22:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My father showed me how. His father showed him.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.36,0:22:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's a story associated with this, which I find remarkable.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.34,0:23:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My grandfather was in the rotary, and he attended
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.72,0:23:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a convention in Philadelphia, and even in those days,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.06,0:23:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the turn of the last century, people rented tuxedos.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.70,0:23:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the tuxedo came with a bow tie--untied bow tie.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.64,0:23:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he didn't know how to tie it.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.72,0:23:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So...wasn't sure what to do, but he just took a chance.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.93,0:23:23.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He went to the hotel room next door, knocked on the door,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.71,0:23:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Excuse me? Can you help me tie my tie?"
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.86,0:23:28.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the guy said, "Sure. Lie down on the bed."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.32,0:23:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So...my grandfather wanted to have the tie on,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.90,0:23:38.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wasn't sure what he was getting into, so he's said
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.43,0:23:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have lain on the bed and the guy tied a perfect bow tie knot and,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.50,0:23:44.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quite reasonably, my grandfather said,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.37,0:23:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Thank you. Why'd I have to lie down on the bed?"
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.04,0:23:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The guy said, "I'm an undertaker."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.70,0:23:51.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience laughs)
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.70,0:23:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It's the only way I know how to do it."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.04,0:23:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now that story was presented to me as a true story.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.60,0:24:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It may or may not be. But it gives you something to think about.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.50,0:24:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's certainly something to remember.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.12,0:24:06.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, here tonight, we're gonna have two stories
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.83,0:24:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we can compare Mr. Ham's story to the story
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.40,0:24:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from what I will call the outside, from mainstream science.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.04,0:24:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The question tonight is: Does Ken Ham's Creation Model hold up?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.90,0:24:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it "viable"?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.64,0:24:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let me ask you all: what would you be doing if you weren't here tonight?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.30,0:24:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's right, you'd be home watching CSI.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.89,0:24:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CSI Petersburg. Is that coming--I think it's coming.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.96,0:24:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on CSI, there is no distinction made between
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.90,0:24:43.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,historical science and observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.69,0:24:46.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are constructs unique to Mr. Ham.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.77,0:24:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't normally have these anywhere in the world except here.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.02,0:24:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Natural laws that applied in the past apply now.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.68,0:24:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why they're natural laws. That's why we embrace them.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.60,0:24:58.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how we made all these discoveries
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.91,0:25:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that enabled all this remarkable technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.43,0:25:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So CSI is a fictional show, but it's based absolutely
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.17,0:25:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on real people doing real work.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.15,0:25:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you go to a crime scene and find evidence,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.77,0:25:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have clues about the past. And you trust those clues
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.13,0:25:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you embrace them and you move forward to convict somebody.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.34,0:25:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Ham and his followers have this remarkable view
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.13,0:25:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a worldwide flood that somehow influenced everything that we observe in nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.56,0:25:32.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A 500 foot wooden boat, eight zookeepers for 14,000 individual animals,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.93,0:25:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every land plant in the world underwater for a full year?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.12,0:25:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I ask us all: is that really reasonable?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.84,0:25:43.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll hear a lot about the Grand Canyon, I imagine, also,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.43,0:25:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a remarkable place and it has fossils.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.40,0:25:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the fossils in the Grand Canyon are found in layers.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.13,0:25:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's not a single place in the Grand Canyon
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.81,0:25:56.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the fossils of one type of animal cross over
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.73,0:25:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the fossils of another. In other words,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.20,0:26:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when there was a big flood on the earth, you would expect
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.56,0:26:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drowning animals to swim up to a higher level.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.83,0:26:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not any one of them did. Not a single one.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.36,0:26:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you could find evidence of that, my friends, you could change the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.60,0:26:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I just wanna remind us all:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.61,0:26:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are billions of people in the world who are deeply religious,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.04,0:26:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who get enriched, who have a wonderful sense of community from their religion.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.00,0:26:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They worship together, they eat together, they live
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.25,0:26:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in their communities and enjoy each others company. Billions of people.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.59,0:26:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But these same people do not embrace the extraordinary view
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.00,0:26:43.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the earth is somehow only 6,000 years old. That is unique.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.67,0:26:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here's my concern: what keeps the United States ahead,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.76,0:26:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what makes the United States a world leader, is our technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.25,0:26:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our new ideas, our innovations. If we continue to eschew science,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.67,0:27:02.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eschew the process and try to divide science
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.59,0:27:05.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into observational science and historic science,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.80,0:27:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are not gonna move forward. We will not embrace natural laws.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.42,0:27:14.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will not make discoveries. We will not invent and innovate and stay ahead.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.67,0:27:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you ask me if Ken Ham's Creation model is viable, I say no.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.94,0:27:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is absolutely not viable. So stay with us over the next period
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.53,0:27:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can compare my evidence to his. Thank you all very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.34,0:27:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience applauds)
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.38,0:27:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(moderator) All right.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.90,0:27:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very nice start by both of our debaters here.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.10,0:27:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now each of one will offer a thirty minute,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.71,0:27:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,illustrated presentation to fully offer their case for us to consider.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.90,0:27:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Ham, you're up.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.38,0:28:00.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the debate topic was "Is creation a viable model
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.26,0:28:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of origins in today's modern scientific era?"
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.99,0:28:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I made the statement at the end of my opening statement:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.79,0:28:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creation is the only viable model of historical science
Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.46,0:28:13.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confirmed by observational science in today's modern scientific era.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:13.27,0:28:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said what we need to be doing is actually defining
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.71,0:28:22.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our terms and, particularly three terms: science, creation, and evolution.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.13,0:28:25.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I discussed the meaning of the word "science"
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.01,0:28:28.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what is meant by experimental and observational science briefly.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.49,0:28:30.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that both Creationists and Evolutionists
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.63,0:28:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be great scientists, for instance. I mentioned Craig Venter, a biologist.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.96,0:28:37.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's an atheist and he's a great scientist.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.83,0:28:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was one of the first researchers to sequence the human genome.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.02,0:28:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also mentioned Dr. Raymond Damadian, who actually invented the MRI scanner.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:46.53,0:28:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want you to meet a biblical creationist who is a scientist and an inventor.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.14,0:28:54.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, my name is Dr. Raymond Damadian.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.87,0:28:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am a Young Earth Creation Scientist and believe that God
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.04,0:29:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,created the world in six 24 hour days,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.21,0:29:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just as recorded in the book of Genesis.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.83,0:29:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By God's grace and the devoted prayers of my Godly mother-in-law,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.55,0:29:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I invented the MRI scanner in 1969.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.01,0:29:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea that scientists who believe the earth
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.46,0:29:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is 6,000 years old cannot do real science is simply wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.33,0:29:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, he's most adamant about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.19,0:29:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, actually, he revolutionized medicine! He's a biblical Creationist.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.80,0:29:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I encourage children to follow people like that, make them their heroes.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.43,0:29:33.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me introduce you to another biblical Creation Scientist.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.20,0:29:34.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Danny Faulkner.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.100,0:29:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I received my PhD in astronomy from Indiana University.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.71,0:29:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For 26 and a half years, I was a professor
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.60,0:29:43.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the University of South Carolina, Lancaster,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.79,0:29:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I hold the rank of distinguished professor emeritus.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.30,0:29:51.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Upon my retirement from the university in January of 2013,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.21,0:29:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I joined the research staff at Answers in Genesis. I'm a stellar astronomer.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.43,0:30:00.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means my primary interests is stars, but I'm particularly
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.27,0:30:02.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested in the study of eclipsing binary stars.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.71,0:30:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I've published many articles in the astronomy literature,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.83,0:30:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,places such as the the Astrophysical Journal,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.50,0:30:10.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Astronomical Journal, and the Observatory.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.44,0:30:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is nothing in observational astronomy that contradicts a recent creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.57,0:30:19.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also mentioned Dr. Stuart Burgess,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.63,0:30:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,professor of Engineering Design at Bristol University in England.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:24.30,0:30:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now he invented and designed a double-action worm gear set
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.88,0:30:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the three hinges of the robotic arm on a very expensive satellite.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.13,0:30:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if that had not worked, if that gear set had not worked,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.29,0:30:38.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that whole satellite would've been useless.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.54,0:30:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yet, Dr. Burgess is a biblical Creationist. He believes, just as I believe.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.21,0:30:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, think about this for a moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.71,0:30:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A scientist like Dr. Burgess,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.60,0:30:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who believe in Creation, just as I do,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.87,0:30:51.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a small minority in this scientific world.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.86,0:30:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But let's see what he says about scientists believing in Creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.46,0:30:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find that many of my colleagues in academia are sympathetic
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.80,0:31:02.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the creationist viewpoint, including biologists.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.09,0:31:06.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, there are often afraid to speak out because of the criticisms
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.21,0:31:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would get from the media and atheists lobby.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.04,0:31:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I agree. That's a real problem today.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.01,0:31:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to have freedom to be able to speak on these topics.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.46,0:31:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I just want to say, by the way, that Creationists,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:18.13,0:31:21.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,non-Christian scientists, I should say,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.57,0:31:23.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,non-Christian scientists are really borrowing
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.74,0:31:26.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Christian worldview anyway to carry out their experimental,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.86,0:31:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observational science. Think about it. When they're doing
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.21,0:31:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observational science, using the scientific method,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.83,0:31:34.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to assume the laws of logic,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.37,0:31:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to assume the laws of nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.83,0:31:37.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to assume the uniformity of nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.100,0:31:41.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, think about it. If the universe came about by natural processes,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:41.11,0:31:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where'd the laws of logic come from? Did they just pop into existence?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.92,0:31:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are we in a stage now where we only have half-logic?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.83,0:31:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you see, I have a question for Bill Nye.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:49.60,0:31:52.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you account for the laws of logic and the laws of nature
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.100,0:31:57.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a naturalistic worldview that excludes the existence of God?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.04,0:32:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, in my opening statement I also discussed
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.83,0:32:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a different type of science or knowledge, origins or historical science.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.63,0:32:08.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See again, there's a confusion here. There's a misunderstanding here.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.66,0:32:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People, by and large, have not been taught to look at
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.18,0:32:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you believe about the past as different to what you're observing in the present.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.51,0:32:20.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't observe the past directly.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:20.35,0:32:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even when you think about the creation account.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.68,0:32:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we can't observe God creating.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.74,0:32:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't observe the creation of Adam and Eve. We admit that.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.56,0:32:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're willing to admit our beliefs about the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.14,0:32:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, see, what you see in the present is very different.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.34,0:32:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even some public school textbooks actually sort of acknowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.62,0:32:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the difference between historical and observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.96,0:32:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here is an Earth Science textbook that's used in public schools.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.56,0:32:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we read this. In contrast to physical geology,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.60,0:32:52.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the aim of historical geology is to understand Earth's long history.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:52.81,0:32:54.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then they make this statement.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:54.31,0:32:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Historical geology--so we're talking historical science--
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.09,0:33:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tries to establish a timeline of the vast number of physical
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.90,0:33:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and biological changes that have occurred in the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.21,0:33:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We study physical geology before historical geology
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.81,0:33:11.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we first must understand how Earth works before we try to unravel its past.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.37,0:33:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, we observe things in the present and then,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.56,0:33:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,okay, we're assuming that that's always happened in the past
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.16,0:33:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're gonna try and figure out how this happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:20.44,0:33:22.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, there is a difference between what you observe
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.25,0:33:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what happened in the past. Let me illustrate it this way:
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.34,0:33:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If Bill Nye and I went to the Grand Canyon,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.20,0:33:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we could agree that that's a Coconino sandstone in the Hermit shale.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.60,0:33:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's the boundary. They're sitting one on top of the other.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:35.16,0:33:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We could agree on that. But you know what we would disagree on?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.57,0:33:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we could even analyse the minerals and agree on that.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.78,0:33:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we would disagree on how long it took to get there.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.100,0:33:47.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But see, none of us saw the sandstone or the shale being laid down.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.19,0:33:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a supposed 10 million year gap there.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:49.50,0:33:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I don't see a gap.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.89,0:33:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that might be different to what Bill Nye would see.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.48,0:33:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's a difference between what you actually observe
Dialogue: 0,0:33:57.29,0:34:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directly and then your interpretation regarding the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.32,0:34:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was at the Goddard Space Center a number of years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.66,0:34:06.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I met Creationists and Evolutionists who were
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.69,0:34:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both working on the Hubble telescope.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.29,0:34:10.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They agreed on how to build the Hubble telescope.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.15,0:34:13.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know what they disagreed on? Well, they disagreed on
Dialogue: 0,0:34:13.19,0:34:16.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to interpret the data the telescope obtained
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.63,0:34:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in regard to the age of the universe.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.13,0:34:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, you know, we could on and talk about lots
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.12,0:34:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of other similar sorts of things. For instance,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.03,0:34:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've heard Bill Nye talk about how a smoke detector works,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.38,0:34:30.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using the radioactive element Americium. And, you know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.67,0:34:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I totally agree with him on that. We agree how it works.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.88,0:34:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We agree how radioactivity enables that to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.69,0:34:37.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you're then gonna use radioactive elements
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.54,0:34:39.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and talk about the age of the Earth,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.33,0:34:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've got a problem cause you weren't there.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.13,0:34:44.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We gotta understand parent elements, daughter elements and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.53,0:34:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We could agree whether you're Creationist or Evolutionist
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.42,0:34:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the technology to put the rover on Mars, but we're gonna
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.89,0:34:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disagree on how to interpret the origin of Mars.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.16,0:34:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, there are some people that believed it
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.88,0:34:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was even a global flood on Mars, and there's no liquid water on Mars.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.15,0:35:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're gonna disagree maybe on our interpretation of origins
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.93,0:35:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can't prove either way because, not from
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.06,0:35:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an observational science perspective, because we've only got the present.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.34,0:35:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creationists and Evolutionists both work on medicines and vaccines.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.12,0:35:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see? It doesn't matter whether you're a Creationist or an Evolutionist,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.33,0:35:22.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all scientists have the same experimental observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:22.66,0:35:26.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I have a question for Bill Nye: Can you name one piece
Dialogue: 0,0:35:26.13,0:35:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of technology that could only have been developed
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.89,0:35:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,starting with the belief in molecules-to-man evolution?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.22,0:35:34.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, here's another important fact.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.55,0:35:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creationists and Evolutionists all have the same evidence.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.76,0:35:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bill Nye and I have the same Grand Canyon. We don't disagree on that.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.90,0:35:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We all have the same fish fossils. This is one from the Creation Museum.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.46,0:35:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same dinosaur skeleton, the same animals, the same humans,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.24,0:35:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same DNA, the same radioactive decay elements that we see.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:54.46,0:35:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have the same universe...actually, we all have the same evidences.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.78,0:36:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not the evidences that are different.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.33,0:36:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a battle over the same evidence in regard to how we interpret the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.12,0:36:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know why that is?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.25,0:36:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cause it's really a battle over worldviews and starting points.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.73,0:36:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a battle over philosophical worldviews
Dialogue: 0,0:36:11.92,0:36:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and starting points, but the same evidence. Now, I admit,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:14.72,0:36:17.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my starting point is that God is the ultimate authority.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.39,0:36:21.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if someone doesn't accept that, then man has to be the ultimate authority.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:21.43,0:36:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's really the difference when it comes down to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.76,0:36:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, I've been emphasizing the difference
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.59,0:36:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between historical origin science, knowledge about
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.36,0:36:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the past when you weren't there,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.62,0:36:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we need to understand that we weren't there.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.13,0:36:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or experimental observational science, using
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.24,0:36:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your five senses in the present, the scientific method,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:38.41,0:36:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you can directly observe, test, repeat.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:42.67,0:36:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a big difference between those two.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.12,0:36:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's not what's being taught in our public schools
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.73,0:36:48.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's why kids aren't being taught to think
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.57,0:36:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,critically and correctly about the origins issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:51.60,0:36:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know, it's also important to understand,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.64,0:36:56.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when talking about Creation and Evolution, both involve
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.69,0:36:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,historical science and observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:59.23,0:37:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, the role of observational science is this:
Dialogue: 0,0:37:02.22,0:37:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can be used to confirm or otherwise
Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.82,0:37:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one's historical science based on one's starting point.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:07.63,0:37:10.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, when you think about the debate topic and what I have
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.89,0:37:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,learned concerning creation, if our origins
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.30,0:37:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or historical science based on the bible, the bible's account
Dialogue: 0,0:37:17.76,0:37:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of origins is true, then there should be predictions
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.07,0:37:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from this that we can test, using observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:24.34,0:37:26.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are. For instance, based on the bible,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.84,0:37:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'd expect to find evidence concerning an intelligence,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:29.56,0:37:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confirming an intelligence produced life.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:31.92,0:37:35.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'd expect to find evidence confirming after their kind.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.09,0:37:38.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The bible says God made kinds of animals and plants
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.06,0:37:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after their kind, implying each kind produces it's own,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.09,0:37:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not that one kind changes into another.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:43.30,0:37:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'd expect to find evidence confirming a global flood of Noah's day.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.16,0:37:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evidence confirming one race of humans because we
Dialogue: 0,0:37:50.89,0:37:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all go back to Adam and Eve, biologically, that would mean there's one race.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.50,0:37:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evidence confirming the Tower of Babel, that God gave different languages.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:57.63,0:38:00.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evidence confirming a young universe.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.17,0:38:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I can't go through all of those, but a couple of them we'll look at briefly.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.10,0:38:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After their kind, evidence confirming that--
Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.56,0:38:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Creation Museum, we have a display featuring replicas,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.97,0:38:15.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually, of Darwin's finches. They're called Darwin's finches.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.59,0:38:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin collected finches from the Galapagos
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.26,0:38:21.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and took them back to England and we see the different species,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.63,0:38:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the different beak sizes here. And, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.49,0:38:27.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the specimens Darwin obtained in the Galapagos,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:27.19,0:38:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he actually pondered these things and how do you explain this.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.18,0:38:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in his notes, actually, he came up with this diagram here, a tree.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.56,0:38:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he actually said, "I think." So he was talking about
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.00,0:38:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different species and maybe those species came from some common ancestor,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.53,0:38:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, actually, when it comes to finches, we actually would agree,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.50,0:38:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Creationists, that different finch species came from a common ancestor, but a finch.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.16,0:38:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what they would have to come from.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.38,0:39:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And see, Darwin wasn't just thinking about species.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.24,0:39:03.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin had a much bigger picture in mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:03.49,0:39:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you look at the Origins of Species and read that book,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.36,0:39:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'll find he made this statement: from such low and intermediate form,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.87,0:39:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both animals and plants may have been developed;
Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.97,0:39:16.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, if we admit this, we must likewise admit that
Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.13,0:39:18.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all organic beings which have ever lived on this Earth
Dialogue: 0,0:39:18.97,0:39:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may be descended from some one primordial form.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.04,0:39:27.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he had in mind what we today know as an evolutionary tree of life,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.53,0:39:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all life has arisen from some primordial form.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.32,0:39:34.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, when you consider the classifications system,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.99,0:39:37.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kingdom phylum class or the family genus species,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.57,0:39:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would say, as Creationists, we have many creation scientists
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.69,0:39:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that research this and, for lots of reasons,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.46,0:39:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say, the kind in Genesis 1 is really more at
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.06,0:39:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the family level of classification. For instance, there's one dog kind.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.59,0:39:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's one cat kind. Even though you have different
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.40,0:39:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generative species, that would mean, by the way,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.57,0:39:57.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you didn't need anywhere near the number of animals
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.89,0:39:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the ark as people think.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.24,0:40:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You wouldn't need all the species of dogs, just two.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:00.83,0:40:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not all the species of cats--just two.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:02.50,0:40:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, you see, based on the biblical account there in Genesis One,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.79,0:40:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creationists have drawn up what they believe is a creation origin.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.26,0:40:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, they're saying, "Look. There's great variation
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.13,0:40:16.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the genetics of dogs and finches and so on."
Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.21,0:40:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, over time, particularly after Noah's flood,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:19.44,0:40:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'd expect if there were two dogs, for instance,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.50,0:40:24.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could end up with different species of dogs because
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.67,0:40:28.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's an incredible amount of variability in the genes of any creature.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.71,0:40:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so you'd expect these different species up here, but there's limits.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:33.17,0:40:36.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dogs will always be dogs, finches will always be finches.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.27,0:40:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, as a Creationist, I maintain that observational science
Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.86,0:40:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually confirms this model, based on the bible.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.71,0:40:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, take dogs. Okay?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.24,0:40:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a scientific paper dated January 2014--that's this year--
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.52,0:40:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scientists working at the University of California stated this:
Dialogue: 0,0:40:57.66,0:41:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We provide several lines of evidence supporting
Dialogue: 0,0:41:00.54,0:41:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a single origin for dogs, and disfavoring alternative models
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.38,0:41:06.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which dog lineages arise separately
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.84,0:41:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from geographically distinct wolf populations.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.32,0:41:11.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they put this diagram in the paper.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:11.55,0:41:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By the way, that diagram is very, very similar
Dialogue: 0,0:41:14.20,0:41:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this diagram that Creationists proposed based upon
Dialogue: 0,0:41:17.83,0:41:20.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the creation account in Genesis. In other words,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:20.72,0:41:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a common dog ancestor that gives rise
Dialogue: 0,0:41:22.93,0:41:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the different species of dogs, and that's exactly
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.32,0:41:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we're saying here. Now, in the Creation Museum,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:28.13,0:41:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we actually show the finches here and you see the finches
Dialogue: 0,0:41:31.26,0:41:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with their different beaks, beside dogs skulls, different species of dogs.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.79,0:41:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By the way, there's more variation in the dog skeleton
Dialogue: 0,0:41:37.55,0:41:40.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here than there are in these finches. Yet, the dogs,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.43,0:41:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wow, that's never used as an example of evolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:42.88,0:41:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the finches are, particularly in the public school textbooks.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.79,0:41:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Students are taught, "Ah! See the changes that are occurring here?"
Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.96,0:41:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here's another problem that we've got.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:51.09,0:41:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only has the word "science" been hijacked by secularists,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:55.62,0:41:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe the word "evolution" has been hijacked by secularists.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:59.79,0:42:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word "evolution" has been hijacked using what I call a bait and switch.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.86,0:42:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me explain to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.13,0:42:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word "evolution" is being used in public school textbooks,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.77,0:42:11.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we often see it in documentaries and so on,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.83,0:42:15.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is used for observable changes that we would agree with,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.26,0:42:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then used for unobservable changes, such as molecules-to-man.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:19.24,0:42:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me explain to you what's really going on because
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.72,0:42:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a science teacher in the public schools
Dialogue: 0,0:42:23.41,0:42:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I know what the students were taught and I checked
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.12,0:42:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the public school textbooks anyway to know what they're taught.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:28.38,0:42:30.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, students are taught today, look, there's all
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.79,0:42:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these different animals, plants, but they're all part
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.60,0:42:37.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this great, big tree of life that goes back to some primordial form.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:37.45,0:42:39.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, look, we see changes. Changes in finches,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.57,0:42:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changes in dogs and so on. Now, we don't deny the changes.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:42.57,0:42:45.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see that. You see different species of finches, different species of dogs.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:45.57,0:42:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then they put it all together in this evolutionary tree--
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.27,0:42:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's what you don't observe. You don't observe that.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.50,0:42:54.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's belief there. That's the historical science
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.33,0:42:57.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I would say is wrong. But, you know, what you do observe,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.99,0:43:02.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do observe different species of dogs, different species of finches,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:02.61,0:43:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then there are limits. You don't see one kind changing into another.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:06.71,0:43:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, we're told that if you teach creation
Dialogue: 0,0:43:12.12,0:43:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the public schools as teaching religion,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.24,0:43:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you teach evolution as science, I'm gonna say, "Wait a minute!"
Dialogue: 0,0:43:17.10,0:43:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, the creation model here, based upon the Bible,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.28,0:43:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observational science confirms this. This is what you're observe!
Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.40,0:43:25.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't observe this tree.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.79,0:43:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, it's the public school textbooks that are teaching a belief,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.50,0:43:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imposing it on students, and they need to be teaching them
Dialogue: 0,0:43:32.21,0:43:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observational science to understand the reality of what's happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:36.88,0:43:40.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, what we found is that public school textbooks present
Dialogue: 0,0:43:40.66,0:43:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the evolutionary "tree" as science, but reject the creation "orchard" as religion.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:44.67,0:43:47.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But observational science confirms the creation orchard--
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.46,0:43:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so public school textbooks are rejecting observational science
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.80,0:43:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and imposing a naturalistic religion on students.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.88,0:43:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word "evolution" has been hijacked using a bait and switch
Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.94,0:44:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to indoctrinate students to accept evolutionary belief
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.40,0:44:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:02.34,0:44:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me introduce you to another scientist, Richard Lenski,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.92,0:44:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Michigan State University. He's a great scientist,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.68,0:44:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he's known for culturing e-coli in the lab...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:11.16,0:44:15.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he found there was some e-coli that actually seemed
Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.43,0:44:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to develop the ability to grow on cistrate on substrate.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:23.40,0:44:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Richard Lenski is here, mentioned in this book,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.24,0:44:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's called "Evolution in the Lab".
Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.91,0:44:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the ability to grow on citrate is said to be evolution.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:35.50,0:44:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are those that say, "Hey! This is against the Creationist."
Dialogue: 0,0:44:39.84,0:44:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, Jerry Coin from University of Chicago says,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.90,0:44:45.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Lenski's experiment is also yet another poke in the eye
Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.59,0:44:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for anti-evolutionists."
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.23,0:44:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He says, "The thing I like most is it says you can get
Dialogue: 0,0:44:50.59,0:44:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these complex traits evolving by a combination of unlikely events."
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.70,0:44:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But is it a poke in the eye for anti-evolutionists?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.17,0:45:01.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it really seeing complex traits evolving?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.37,0:45:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does it mean that some of these bacteria are able to grow on citrate?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.20,0:45:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me introduce you to another biblical Creationist, who is a scientist.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.24,0:45:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, my name's Dr. Andrew Fabich.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:12.76,0:45:16.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got my PhD from University of Oklahoma in Microbiology.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.45,0:45:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I teach at Liberty University and I do research on e-coli in the intestine.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:20.08,0:45:25.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've published it in secular journals from the American Society for Microbiology,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.66,0:45:30.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including infection immunity and applied environmental microbiology
Dialogue: 0,0:45:30.97,0:45:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as several others.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:32.36,0:45:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My work has been cited even in the past year in the journals Nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:35.32,0:45:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Science Translational Medicine, Public Library of Science,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:38.70,0:45:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Public Library of Science Genetics. It's cited regularly
Dialogue: 0,0:45:41.66,0:45:45.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in those journals and while I was taught nothing but evolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.90,0:45:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't accept that position.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:48.14,0:45:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do my research from a creation perspective.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.26,0:45:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I look at the evidence that people cite as e-coli,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.36,0:46:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supposedly, evolving over 30 years, over 30,000 generations in the lab,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:00.66,0:46:04.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people say that it is now able to grow on citrate,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.41,0:46:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't deny that it grows on citrate,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.20,0:46:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's not any kind of new information.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:08.76,0:46:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The information's already there and it's just a switch
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.04,0:46:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that gets turned on and off and that's what they reported in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.58,0:46:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's nothing new.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.24,0:46:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, students need to be told what's really going on here.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.34,0:46:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Certainly there's change, but it's not change necessary for molecules-to-man.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:24.37,0:46:27.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, we could look at other predictions.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:27.13,0:46:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about evidence confirming one race?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:29.26,0:46:32.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, when we look at the human population we see lots of differences.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:32.39,0:46:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But based on Darwin's ideas of human evolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:35.30,0:46:37.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as presented in The Descent of Man, I mean,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.63,0:46:39.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin did teach in The Descent of Man there were
Dialogue: 0,0:46:39.59,0:46:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lower races and higher races.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:41.46,0:46:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you believe, that back in the 1900s, one of the most
Dialogue: 0,0:46:44.54,0:46:49.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,popular biology textbooks used in the public schools in America taught this:
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.43,0:46:51.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the present time there exists upon Earth
Dialogue: 0,0:46:51.81,0:46:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,five races or varieties of man...and finally,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:55.06,0:46:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the highest type of all, the Caucasians, represented
Dialogue: 0,0:46:58.20,0:47:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the civilized white inhabitants of Europe and America.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.11,0:47:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you imagine if that was in the public schools today?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:03.10,0:47:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, yet, that's what was taught, but it was based on
Dialogue: 0,0:47:06.50,0:47:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin's ideas that are wrong. You have a wrong foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:11.20,0:47:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're gonna have a wrong worldview.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.56,0:47:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, had they started from the Bible, and from
Dialogue: 0,0:47:15.76,0:47:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the creation account in the Bible, what does it teach?