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Oh, hi kids! I have an incredible message for you.

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Hey, can someone take Germa back to the petting zoo?

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Wow! That looks like fun.

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Now, where was I? Oh, yes.

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In 2014, kids 12 and under come free.

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Hey! Shouldn't the comets be in the Planetarium?

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For the entire year, kids 12 and under come free.

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Hey, T-Rex! You better get back to the dinosaur den.

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As you can see, it's a very exciting place.

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Now tell your parents!

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Kids 12 and under free in 2014 when accompanied by a paying adult.

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We hope to see you soon!

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Good evening. I'm pleased to welcome you to Legacy Hall

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of the Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky

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in the metropolitan area of Cincinnati.

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I'm Tom Foreman from CNN and I'm pleased to be tonight's

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moderator for this Evolution versus Creation debate.

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This is a very old question! Where did we come from?

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My answer is from Washington this morning by airplane.

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(laughter from audience)

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But there is a much more profound, longer answer

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that people have sought after for a long time.

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So tonight's question to be debated is the following:

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Is Creation a viable model of origins in today's modern, scientific era?

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Our welcome extends to hundreds of thousands of people

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who are watching on the internet at debatelive.org.

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We're glad you have joined us.

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Of course, you are auditory and here,

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all the folks who've joined us as well.

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We're joined by 70 media representatives from many

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of the world's great news organizations.

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We're glad to have them here as well.

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And now let's welcome our debaters: Mr. Bill Nye and Mr. Ken Ham.

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(audience applauds)

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We had a coin toss earlier to determine

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who would go first of these two men.

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The only thing missing was Joe Namath in a fur coat.

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But it went very well. Mr. Ham won the coin toss

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and he opted to speak first. But first, let me tell you

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a little bit about both of these gentlemen.

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Mr. Nye's website describes him as a scientist,

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engineer, comedian, author, and inventor.

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Mr Nye, as you may know, produced a number of award-winning TV shows,

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including a program he became so well-known for:

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Bill Nye the Science Guy.

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While working on the Science Guy show, Mr. Nye won

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seven national Emmy awards for writing, performing,

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and producing the show. Won 18 Emmys in five years!

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including his latest title, <i>Bill Nye's Great Big Book of Tiny Germs</i>.

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Billy Nye is the host of three television series:

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his program, "The 100 Greatest Discoveries"--

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it airs on the Science Channel. "The Eyes of Nye"--

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airs on PBS stations across the country. He frequenly appears

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on interview programs to discuss a variety of science topics.

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Mr. Nye serves as Executive Director of the Planetary Society,

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the world's largest space interest group.

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He is a graduate of Cornell, with a Bachelors

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of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering.

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Mr. Ken Ham is the president and co-founder of Answers of Genesis,

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a bible-defending organization that upholds the authority

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of the scriptures from the very first verse.

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Mr. Ham is the man behind the popular, high-tech

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Creation Museum, where we're holding this debate.

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The museum has had 2 million visitors in six years

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and has attracted much of the world's media.

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The Answers in Genesis website, as well, trafficked

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with 2 million visitors alone last month. Mr. Ham is also

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a best-selling author, a much in-demand speaker,

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This is his second public debate on Evolution and Creation.

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The first was at Harvard, in the 1990s.

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Mr. Ham is a native of Australia. He earned

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a Bachelors degree in Applied Science, with an emphasis in

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as well as a Diploma of Education at the University

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of Queensland in Brisbon, Australia.

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And now...Mr. Ham, you opted to go first, so you will

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be first with your five minute opening statement.

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Well, good evening. I know that not everyone watching

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this debate will necessarily agree with what I have to say,

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but I'm an Aussie and live over here in America

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and they tell me I have an accent and so it doesn't matter

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what I say, some people tell me. We just like to hear you saying it.

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So...um...I hope you enjoy me saying it anyway.

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Well, the debate topic is this: Is Creation

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a viable model of origins in today's modern scientific era?

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there were lots of statements-- like this one

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from the Richard Dawkins Foundation.

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"Scientists should not debate Creationists. Period."

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And this one from one of the Discovery.com websites.

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"Should Scientists Debate Creationists?"

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You know, right here I believe there's a gross misrepresentation

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in our culture. We're seeing people being indoctrinated

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to believe that Creationists can't be Scientists.

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I believe it's all a part of secularists hi-jacking the word "Science".

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I want you to meet a modern-day scientist who's a Biblical Creationist.

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My name is Stuart Burgess.

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I'm a professor of Engineering Design at Bristol University in the U.K.

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I have published over a 130 scientific papers on

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the scientific design in Engineering and Biological systems.

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From my research work, I find that the scientific evidence

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fully supports Creationism as the best explanation to origins.

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I've also designed major parts of space crafts,

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launched by ESA and NASA.

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So here's a biblical Creationist,

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who's a scientist, who's also an inventor.

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And I want young people to understand that.

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You know, the problem, I believe, is this: we need to define terms correctly.

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We need to define Creation/Evolution in regard to origins

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and we need to define science. And in this opening statement,

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I want to concentrate on dealing with the word "science".

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I believe the word "science" has been hijacked by secularists.

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Now, what is science?

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Well, the origin of the word comes from the Classical Latin "scientia",

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which means "to know". And if you look up a dictionary,

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it'll say science means "the state of knowing, knowledge".

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But there's different types of knowledge and I believe

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this is where the confusion lies.

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There's experimental or observational sciences, as we call it.

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That's using the scientific method, observation,

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measurement, experiment, testing. That's what produces

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our technology, computers, space craft, jet planes,

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smoke detectors, looking at DNA, antibiotics, medicines and vaccines.

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You see, all scientists, whether Creationists or Evolutionists,

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actually have the same observational or experimental science.

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And it doesn't matter whether you're a Creationist or an Evolutionist,

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you can be a great scientist.

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For instance, he's an atheist, who is a great scientist--

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Craig Venter, one of the first researchers to sequence the human genome.

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Or Dr. Raymond Damadian. He is a man who invented

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the MRI scan and revolutionized medicine. He's a biblical Creationist.

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But I want us to also understand molecules-to-man

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evolution belief has nothing to do with developing technology.

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You see, when we're talking about origins, we're talking about the past.

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We're talking about our origins. We weren't there.

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We can't observe that, whether it's molecules-to-man evolution,

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or whether it's a creation account.

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I mean, you're talking about the past.

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We'd like to call that Origins or Historical Science,

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knowledge concerning the past. Here at the Creation Museum,

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we make no apology about the fact that our Origins or Historical science

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actually is based upon the biblical account of origins.

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Now, when you research science textbooks being used

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in public schools, what we found is this:

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by and large, they are Origins or Historical Science

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based upon man's ideas about the past--for instance, the ideas of Darwin.

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And our research has found that public school textbooks

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are using the same word "science" for Observational Science

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and Historical Science. They arbitrarily define science

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as naturalism and outlaw the supernatural.

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They present molecules-to-man evolution as fact.

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They are imposing, I believe, the religion

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of naturalism or atheism on generations of students.

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You see, I assert that the word "science" has been hijacked

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by secularists in teaching evolution to force the religion

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of naturalism on generations of kids.

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Secular evolutionists teach that all life developed

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by natural processes from some primordial form.

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That man is just an evolved animal, which has great bearing

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on how we view life and death.

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For instance, as Bill states, "It's very hard to accept,

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for many of us, that when you die, it's over."

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But, you see, the Bible gives us a totally different account of origins,

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of who we are, where we came from, the meaning of life, and our future.

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That through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin.

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But that God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son.

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Whoever believes in Him should not perish and have everlasting life.

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So is creation a viable model of origins in today's modern scientific era?

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I say the creation/evolution debate is a conflict

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between two philosophical worldviews based on two different accounts

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of origins or science beliefs and creation

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is the only viable model of historical science confirmed

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by observational science in today's modern scientific era.

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And that is time. I had the unenviable job of being the time-keeper here.

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So I'm like the referee of football they don't like,

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but I will periodically, if either one of our debaters

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runs over on anything, I will stop them in the name of keeping it fair for all.

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Mr. Ham, thank you for your comments. Now it's Mr. Nye's

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turn for a five minute opening statement. Mr. Nye.

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Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

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I very much appreciate you including me in your facility here.

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Now, looking around the room I think I see just one bow tie.

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Is that right? Just one. I'm telling you, once you try it--

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oh, there's two! That's great. I started wearing bow ties

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when I was young, in high school.

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My father showed me how. His father showed him.

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And there's a story associated with this, which I find remarkable.

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My grandfather was in the rotary, and he attended

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a convention in Philadelphia, and even in those days,

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at the turn of the last century, people rented tuxedos.

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And the tuxedo came with a bow tie--untied bow tie.

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So he didn't know how to tie it.

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So...wasn't sure what to do, but he just took a chance.

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He went to the hotel room next door, knocked on the door,

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"Excuse me? Can you help me tie my tie?"

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And the guy said, "Sure. Lie down on the bed."

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So...my grandfather wanted to have the tie on,

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wasn't sure what he was getting into, so he's said

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to have lain on the bed and the guy tied a perfect bow tie knot and,

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quite reasonably, my grandfather said,

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"Thank you. Why'd I have to lie down on the bed?"

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The guy said, "I'm an undertaker."

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(audience laughs)

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It's the only way I know how to do it.

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Now that story was presented to me as a true story.

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It may or may not be. But it gives you something to think about.

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And it's certainly something to remember.

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So, here tonight, we're gonna have two stories

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and we can compare Mr. Ham's story to the story

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from what I will call the outside, from mainstream science.

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The question tonight is: Does Ken Ham's Creation Model hold up?

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Is it "viable"?

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So let me ask you: what would you be doing if you weren't here tonight?

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That's right, you'd be home watching CSI.

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CSI Petersburg. Is that coming--I think it's coming.

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And on CSI, there is no distinction made between

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historical science and observational science.

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These are construct unique to Mr. Ham.

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We don't normally have these anywhere in the world except here.

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Natural laws that applied in the past apply now.

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That's why they're natural laws. That's why we embrace them.

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That's how we made all these discoveries

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that enabled all this remarkable technology.

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So CSI is a fictional show, but it's based absolutely

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on real people doing real work.

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When you go to a crime scene and find evidence,

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you have clues about the past. And you trust those clues

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and you embrace them and you move forward to convict somebody.

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Mr. Ham and his followers have this remarkable view

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of a worldwide flood that somehow influenced everything that we observe in nature.

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A 500 foot wooden boat, eight zookeepers for 14,000 individual animals,

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every land, plant in the world under water for a full year?

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I ask us all: is that really reasonable?

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You'll hear a lot about the Grand Canyon, I imagine, also,

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which is a remarkable place and it has fossils.

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And the fossils in the Grand Canyon are found in layers.

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There's not a single place in the Grand Canyon

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where the fossils of one type of animal cross over

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into the fossils of another. In other words,

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when there was a big flood on the earth, you would expect

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drowning animals to swim up to a higher level.

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Not any one of them did. Not a single one.

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If you could find evidence of that, my friends, you could change the world.

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Now, I just wanna remind us all:

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there are billions of people in the world who are deeply religious,

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who get enriched, who have a wonderful sense of community from their religion.

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They worship together, they eat together, they live

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in their communities and enjoy each others company. Billions of people.

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But these same people do not embrace the extraordinary view

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that the earth is somehow only 6,000 years old. That is unique.

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And here's my concern: what keeps the United States ahead,

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what makes the United States a world leader, is our technology,

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our new ideas, our innovations. If we continue to eschew science,

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eschew the process and try to divide science

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into observational science and historic science,

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we are not gonna move forward. We will not embrace natural laws.

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We will not make discoveries. We will not invent and innovate and stay ahead.

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So if you ask me if Ken Ham's Creation model is viable, I say no.

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It is absolutely not viable. So stay with us over the next period

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and you can compare my evidence to his. Thank you all very much.

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(audience applauds)

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(moderator) All right.

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Very nice start by both of our debaters here.

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And now each of one will offer a thirty minute,

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illustrated presentation to fully offer their case for us to consider.

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Mr. Ham, you're up.

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Well, the debate topic was "Is creation a viable model

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of origins in today's modern scientific era?"

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And I made the statement at the end of my opening statement:

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creation is the only viable model of historical science

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confirmed by observational science in today's modern scientific era.

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And I said what we need to be doing is actually defining

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our terms and, particularly three terms: science, creation, and evolution.

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Now, I discussed the meaning of the word "science"

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and what is meant by experimental and observational science briefly.

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And that both Creationists and Evolutionists

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can be great scientists, for instance. I mentioned Craig Venter, a biologist.

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He's an atheist and he's a great scientist.

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He was one of the first researchers to sequence the human genome.

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I also mentioned Dr. Raymond Damadian, who actually invented the MRI scanner.

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I want you to meet a biblical creationist who is a scientist and an inventor.

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Hi, my name is Dr. Raymond Damadian.

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I am a Young Earth Creation Scientist and believe that God

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created the world in six 24 hour days,

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just as recorded in the book of Genesis.

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By God's grace and the devoted prayers of my Godly mother-in-law,

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I invented the MRI scanner in 1969.

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The idea that scientists who believe the earth

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is 6,000 years old cannot do real science is simply wrong.

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Well, he's most adamant about that.

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And, actually, he revolutionized medicine! He's a biblical Creationist.

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And I encourage children to follow people like that, make them their heroes.

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Let me introduce you to another biblical Creation Scientist.

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My name is Danny Faulkner.

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I received my PhD in astronomy from Indiana University.

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For 26 and a half years, I was a professor

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at the University of South Carolina, Lancaster,

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where I hold the rank of distinguished professor emeritus.

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Upon my retirement from the university in January of 2013,

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I joined the research staff at Answers in Genesis. I'm a stellar astronomer.

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That means my primary interests is stars, but I'm particularly

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interested in the study of eclipsing binary stars.

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And I've published many articles in the astronomy literature,

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places such as the the Astrophysical Journal,

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the Astronomical Journal, and the Observatory.

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There is nothing in observational astronomy that contradicts a recent creation.

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I also mentioned Dr. Stuart Burgess,

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professor of Engineering Design at Bristol University in England.

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Now he invented and designed a double-action worm gear set

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for the three hinges of the robotic arm on a very expensive satellite.

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And if that had not worked, if that gear set had not worked,

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that whole satellite would've been useless.

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Yet, Dr. Burgess is a biblical Creationist. He believes, just as I believe.

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Now, think about this for a moment.

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A scientist like Dr. Burgess,

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who believe in Creation, just as I do,

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a small minority in this scientific world.

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But let's see what he says about scientists believing in Creation.

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I find that many of my colleagues in academia are sympathetic

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to the creationist viewpoint, including biologists.

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However, there are often afraid to speak out because of the criticisms

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they would get from the media and atheists lobby.

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Now, I agree. That's a real problem today.

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We need to have freedom to be able to speak on these topics.

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You know, I just want to say, by the way, that Creationists,

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non-Christian scientists, I should say,

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non-Christian scientists are really borrowing

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from the Christian worldview anyway to carry out their experimental,

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observational science. Think about it. When they're doing

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observational science, using the scientific method,

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they have to assume the laws of logic,

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they have to assume the laws of nature,

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they have to assume the uniformity of nature.

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I mean, think about it. If the universe came about by natural processes,

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where'd the laws of logic come from? Did they just pop into existence?

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Are we in a stage now where we only have half-logic?

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So, you see, I have a question for Bill Nye.

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How do you account for the laws of logic and the laws of nature

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from a naturalistic worldview that excludes the existence of God?

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Now, in my opening statement I also discussed

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a different type of science or knowledge, origins or historical science.

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See again, there's a confusion here. There's a misunderstanding here.

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People, by and large, have not been taught to look at

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what you believe about the past as different to what you're observing in the present.

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You don't observe the past directly.

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Even when you think about the creation account.

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I mean, we can't observe God creating.

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We can't observe the creation of Adam and Eve. We admit that.

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We're willing to admit our beliefs about the past.

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But, see, what you see in the present is very different.

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Even some public school textbooks actually sort of acknowledge

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the difference between historical and observational science.

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Here is an Earth Science textbook that's used in public schools.

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And we read this. In contrast to physical geology,

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the aim of historical geology is to understand Earth's long history.

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Then they make this statement.

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Historical geology--so we're talking historical science--

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tries to establish a timeline of the vast number of physical

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and biological changes that have occurred in the past.

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We study physical geology before historical geology

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because we first must understand how Earth works before we try to unravel its past.

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In other words, we observe things in the present and then,

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okay, we're assuming that that's always happened in the past

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and we're gonna try and figure out how this happened.

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See, there is a difference between what you observe

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and what happened in the past. Let me illustrate it this way:

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If Bill Nye and I went to the Grand Canyon,

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we could agree that that's a Coconino sandstone in the Hermit shale.

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There's the boundary. They're sitting one on top of the other.

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We could agree on that. But you know what we would disagree on?

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I mean, we could even analyse the minerals and agree on that.

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But we would disagree on how long it took to get there.

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But see, none of us saw the sandstone or the shale being laid down.

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There's a supposed 10 million year gap there.

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But I don't see a gap.

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But that might be different to what Bill Nye would see.

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But there's a difference between what you actually observe

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directly and then your interpretation regarding the past.

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When I was at the Goddard Space Center a number of years ago

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I met Creationists and Evolutionists who were

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both working on the Hubble telescope.

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They agreed on how to build the Hubble telescope.

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You know what they disagreed on? Well, they disagreed on

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how to interpret the data the telescope obtained

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in regard to the age of the universe.

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And, you know, we could on and talk about lots

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of other similar sorts of things. For instance,

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I've heard Bill Nye talk about how a smoke detector works,

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using the radioactive element Americium. And, you know what?

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I totally agree with him on that. We agree how it works.

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We agree how radioactivity enables that to work.

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But if you're then gonna use radioactive elements

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and talk about the age of the Earth,

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you've got a problem cause you weren't there.

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We gotta understand parent elements, daughter elements and so on.

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We could agree whether you're Creationist or Evolutionist

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on the technology to put the rover on Mars, but we're gonna

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disagree on how to interpret the origin of Mars.

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I mean, there are some people that believed it

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was even a global flood on Mars, and there's no liquid water on Mars.

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We're gonna disagree maybe on our interpretation of origins

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and you can't prove either way because, not from

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an observational science perspective, because we've only got the present.

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Creationists and Evolutionists both work on medicines and vaccines.

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You see? It doesn't matter whether you're a Creationist or an Evolutionist,

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all scientists have the same experimental observational science.

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So I have a question for Bill Nye: Can you name one piece

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of technology that could only have been developed

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starting with the belief in molecules-to-man evolution?

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Now, here's another important fact.

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Creationists and Evolutionists all have the same evidence.

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Bill Nye and I have the same Grand Canyon. We don't disagree on that.

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We all have the same fish fossils. This is one from the Creation Museum.

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The same dinosaur skeleton, the same animals, the same humans,

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the same DNA, the same radioactive decay elements that we see.

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We have the same universe...actually, we all have the same evidences.

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It's not the evidences that are different.

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It's a battle over the same evidence in regard to how we interpret the past.

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And you know why that is?

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Cause it's really a battle over worldviews and starting points.

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It's a battle over philosophical worldviews

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and starting points, but the same evidence. Now, I admit,

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my starting point is that God is the ultimate authority.

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But if someone doesn't accept that, then man has to be the ultimate authority.

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And that's really the difference when it comes down to it.

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You see, I've been emphasizing the difference

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between historical origin science, knowledge about

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the past when you weren't there,

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and we need to understand that we weren't there.

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Or experimental observational science, using

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your five senses in the present, the scientific method,

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what you can directly observe, test, repeat.

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There's a big difference between those two.

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And that's not what's being taught in our public schools

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and that's why kids aren't being taught to think

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critically and correctly about the origins issue.

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But you know, it's also important to understand,

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when talking about Creation and Evolution, both involve

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historical science and observational science.

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You see, the role of observational science is this:

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it can be used to confirm or otherwise

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one's historical science based on one's starting point.

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Now, when you think about the debate topic and what I have

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learned concerning creation, if our origins

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or historical science based on the bible, the bible's account

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of origins is true, then there should be predictions

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from this that we can test, using observational science.

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And there are. For instance, based on the bible,

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we'd expect to find evidence concerning an intelligence,

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confirming an intelligence produced life.

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We'd expect to find evidence confirming after their kind.

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The bible says God made kinds of animals and plants

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after their kind, implying each kind produces it's own,

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not that one kind changes into another.

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You'd expect to find evidence confirming a global flood of Noah's day.

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Evidence confirming one race of humans because we

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all go back to Adam and Eve, biologically, that would mean there's one race.

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Evidence confirming the Tower of Babel, that God gave different languages.

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Evidence confirming a young universe.

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Now, I can't go through all of those, but a couple of them we'll look at briefly.

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After their kind, evidence confirming that--

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in the Creation Museum, we have a display featuring replicas,

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actually, of Darwin's finches. They're called Darwin's finches.

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Darwin collected finches from the Galapagos

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and took them back to England and we see the different species,

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the different beak sizes here. And, you know,

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from the specimens Darwin obtained in the Galapagos,

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he actually pondered these things and how do you explain this.

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And in his notes, actually, he came up with this diagram here, a tree.

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And he actually said, "I think." So he was talking about

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different species and maybe those species came from some common ancestor,

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but, actually, when it comes to finches, we actually would agree,

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as Creationists, that different finch species came from a common ancestor, but a finch.

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That's what they would have to come from.

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And see, Darwin wasn't just thinking about species.

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Darwin had a much bigger picture in mind.

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When you look at the Origins of Species and read that book,

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you'll find he made this statement: from such low and intermediate form,

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both animals and plants may have been developed;

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and, if we admit this, we must likewise admit that

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all organic beings which have ever lived on this Earth

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may be descended from some one primordial form.

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So he had in mind what we today know as an evolutionary tree of life,

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that all life has arisen from some primordial form.

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Now, when you consider the classifications system,

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kingdom phylum class or the family genus species,

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we would say, as Creationists, we have many creation scientists

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that research this and, for lots of reasons,

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I would say, the kind in Genesis 1 is really more at

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the family level of classification. For instance, there's one dog kind.

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There's one cat kind. Even though you have different

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generative species, that would mean, by the way,

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you didn't need anywhere near the number of animals

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on the ark as people think.

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You wouldn't need all the species of dogs, just two.

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Not all the species of cats--just two.

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And, you see, based on the biblical account there in Genesis One,

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Creationists have drawn up what they believe is a creation origin.

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In other words, they're saying, "Look. There's great variation

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in the genetics of dogs and finches and so on."

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And so, over time, particularly after Noah's flood,

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you'd expect if there were two dogs, for instance,

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you could end up with different species of dogs because

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there's an incredible amount of variability in the genes of any creature.

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And so you'd expect these different species up here, but there's limits.

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Dogs will always be dogs, finches will always be finches.

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Now, as a Creationist, I maintain that observational science

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actually confirms this model, based on the bible.

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For instance, take dogs. Okay?

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In a scientific paper dated January 2014--that's this year--

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scientists working at the University of California stated this:

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We provide several lines of evidence supporting

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a single origin for dogs, and disfavoring alternative models

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in which dog lineages arise separately

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from geographically distinct wolf populations.

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And they put this diagram in the paper.

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By the way, that diagram is very, very similar

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to this diagram that Creationists proposed based upon

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the creation account in Genesis. In other words,

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you have a common dog ancestor that gives rise

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to the different species of dogs, and that's exactly

524
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what we're saying here. Now, in the Creation Museum,

525
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we actually show the finches here and you see the finches

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with their different beaks, beside dogs skulls, different species of dogs.

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By the way, there's more variation in the dog skeleton

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here than there are in these finches. Yet, the dogs,

529
00:41:40,427 --> 00:41:42,876
wow, that's never used as an example of evolution,

530
00:41:42,876 --> 00:41:45,789
but the finches are, particularly in the public school textbooks.

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Students are taught, "Ah! See the changes that are occurring here?"

532
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And here's another problem that we've got.

533
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Not only has the word "science" been hijacked by secularists,

534
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I believe the word "evolution" has been hijacked by secularists.

535
00:41:59,791 --> 00:42:03,860
The word "evolution" has been hijacked using what I call a bait and switch.

536
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Let me explain to you.

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The word "evolution" is being used in public school textbooks,

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and we often see it in documentaries and so on,

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00:42:11,826 --> 00:42:15,265
is used for observable changes that we would agree with,

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and then used for unobservable changes, such as molecules-to-man.

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00:42:19,244 --> 00:42:21,724
Let me explain to you what's really going on because

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I was a science teacher in the public schools

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and I know what the students were taught and I checked

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00:42:26,125 --> 00:42:28,134
the public school textbooks anyway to know what they're taught.