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Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.88,0:12:46.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, hi kids! I have an incredible message for you.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.11,0:12:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey, can someone take Germa back to the petting zoo?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.72,0:12:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wow! That looks like fun.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.67,0:12:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, where was I? Oh, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.46,0:12:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 2014, kids 12 and under come free.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.32,0:12:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey! Shouldn't the comets be in the Planetarium?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.78,0:13:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the entire year, kids 12 and under come free.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.04,0:13:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey, T-Rex! You'd better get back to the dinosaur den.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.12,0:13:06.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you can see, it's a very exciting place.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.82,0:13:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now tell your parents!
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.98,0:13:11.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kids 12 and under free in 2014 when accompanied by a paying adult.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.65,0:13:13.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We hope to see you soon!
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.47,0:13:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good evening. I'm pleased to welcome you to Legacy Hall
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.51,0:13:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.25,0:13:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the metropolitan area of Cincinnati.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.08,0:13:26.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Tom Foreman from CNN and I'm pleased to be tonight's
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.01,0:13:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moderator for this Evolution versus Creation debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.20,0:13:32.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a very old question! Where did we come from?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.22,0:13:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My answer is from Washington this morning by airplane.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.76,0:13:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughter from audience)
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.99,0:13:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there is a much more profound, longer answer
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.80,0:13:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people have sought after for a long time.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.98,0:13:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So tonight's question to be debated is the following:
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.88,0:13:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is Creation a viable model of origins in today's modern, scientific era?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.17,0:13:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our welcome extends to hundreds of thousands of people
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.01,0:14:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are watching on the internet at debatelive.org.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.84,0:14:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're glad you have joined us.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.94,0:14:05.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, your auditorium here,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.05,0:14:06.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of the folks who've joined us as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.42,0:14:09.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're joined by 70 media representatives from many
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.99,0:14:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the world's great news organizations.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.67,0:14:13.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're glad to have them here as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.59,0:14:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now let's welcome our debaters: Mr. Bill Nye and Mr. Ken Ham.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.98,0:14:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience applauds)
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.03,0:14:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had a coin toss earlier to determine
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.20,0:14:52.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who would go first of these two men.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.24,0:14:54.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only thing missing was Joe Namath in a fur coat.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.37,0:14:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it went very well. Mr. Ham won the coin toss
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.11,0:15:04.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he opted to speak first. But first, let me tell you
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.03,0:15:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit about both of these gentlemen.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.70,0:15:08.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Nye's website describes him as a scientist,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.18,0:15:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,engineer, comedian, author, and inventor.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.48,0:15:14.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr Nye, as you may know, produced a number of award-winning TV shows,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.15,0:15:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including a program he became so well-known for:
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.75,0:15:19.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bill Nye the Science Guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.15,0:15:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While working on the Science Guy show, Mr. Nye won
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.92,0:15:24.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seven national Emmy awards for writing, performing,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.69,0:15:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and producing the show. Won 18 Emmys in five years!
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.65,0:15:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In between creating the shows, he wrote five kids books about science,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.75,0:15:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including his latest title, {\i1}Bill Nye's Great Big Book of Tiny Germs{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.92,0:15:40.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Billy Nye is the host of three television series:
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.45,0:15:42.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his program, "The 100 Greatest Discoveries"--
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.75,0:15:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it airs on the Science Channel. "The Eyes of Nye"--
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.92,0:15:48.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,airs on PBS stations across the country. He frequenly appears
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.28,0:15:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on interview programs to discuss a variety of science topics.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.28,0:15:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Nye serves as Executive Director of the Planetary Society,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.28,0:15:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world's largest space interest group.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.70,0:16:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is a graduate of Cornell, with a Bachelors
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.53,0:16:03.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.19,0:16:07.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Ken Ham is the president and co-founder of Answers in Genesis,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.85,0:16:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a bible-defending organization that upholds the authority
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.98,0:16:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the scriptures from the very first verse.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.86,0:16:16.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Ham is the man behind the popular, high-tech
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.78,0:16:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creation Museum, where we're holding this debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.83,0:16:21.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The museum has had 2 million visitors in six years
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.33,0:16:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and has attracted much of the world's media.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.29,0:16:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Answers in Genesis website, as well, trafficked
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.05,0:16:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with 2 million visitors alone last month. Mr. Ham is also
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.16,0:16:32.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a best-selling author, a much in-demand speaker,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.58,0:16:36.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the host of a daily radio feature carried on 700 plus stations.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.95,0:16:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is his second public debate on Evolution and Creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.89,0:16:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first was at Harvard, in the 1990s.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.85,0:16:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Ham is a native of Australia. He earned
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.52,0:16:48.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Bachelors degree in Applied Science, with an emphasis in
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.99,0:16:52.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Environmental Biology, from the Queensland's Institute of Technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.61,0:16:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as a Diploma of Education at the University
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.83,0:16:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Queensland in Brisbon, Australia.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.24,0:17:02.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now...Mr. Ham, you opted to go first, so you will
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.62,0:17:05.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be first with your five minute opening statement.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.88,0:17:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, good evening. I know that not everyone watching
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.12,0:17:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this debate will necessarily agree with what I have to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.44,0:17:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm an Aussie and live over here in America
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.61,0:17:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they tell me I have an accent and so it doesn't matter
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.12,0:17:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I say, some people tell me. We just like to hear you saying it. (laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.61,0:17:26.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So...um...I hope you enjoy me saying it anyway.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.67,0:17:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the debate topic is this: Is Creation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.08,0:17:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a viable model of origins in today's modern scientific era?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.96,0:17:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, when this was first announced on the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.58,0:17:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were lots of statements-- like this one
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.55,0:17:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Richard Dawkins Foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.50,0:17:42.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Scientists should not debate Creationists. Period."
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.09,0:17:45.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this one from one of the Discovery.com websites.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.67,0:17:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Should Scientists Debate Creationists?"
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.96,0:17:50.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, right here I believe there's a gross misrepresentation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.39,0:17:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our culture. We're seeing people being indoctrinated
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.00,0:17:57.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to believe that Creationists can't be Scientists.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.62,0:18:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe it's all a part of secularists hi-jacking the word "Science".
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.50,0:18:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want you to meet a modern-day scientist who's a Biblical Creationist.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.50,0:18:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Stuart Burgess.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.38,0:18:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a professor of Engineering Design at Bristol University in the U.K.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.47,0:18:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have published over 130 scientific papers on
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.04,0:18:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the science of design in Engineering and Biological systems.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.21,0:18:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From my research work, I have found that the scientific evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.77,0:18:35.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fully supports Creationism as the best explanation to origins.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.24,0:18:39.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've also designed major parts of spacecrafts,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.94,0:18:41.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,launched by ESA and NASA.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.83,0:18:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here's a biblical Creationist,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.80,0:18:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's a scientist, who's also an inventor.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.21,0:18:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want young people to understand that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.67,0:18:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, the problem, I believe, is this: we need to define terms correctly.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.93,0:18:55.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to define Creation/Evolution in regard to origins
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.100,0:18:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we need to define science. And in this opening statement,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.88,0:19:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to concentrate on dealing with the word "science".
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.60,0:19:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe the word "science" has been hijacked by secularists.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.22,0:19:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, what is science?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.55,0:19:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the origin of the word comes from the Classical Latin "scientia",
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.94,0:19:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means "to know". And if you look up a dictionary,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.39,0:19:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it'll say science means "the state of knowing, knowledge".
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.91,0:19:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's different types of knowledge and I believe
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.00,0:19:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is where the confusion lies.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.46,0:19:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's experimental or observational sciences, as we call it.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.70,0:19:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's using the scientific method, observation,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.40,0:19:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,measurement, experiment, testing. That's what produces
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.50,0:19:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our technology, computers, spacecraft, jet planes,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.06,0:19:35.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smoke detectors, looking at DNA, antibiotics, medicines and vaccines.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.19,0:19:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, all scientists, whether Creationists or Evolutionists,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.16,0:19:43.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually have the same observational or experimental science.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.61,0:19:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it doesn't matter whether you're a Creationist or an Evolutionist,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.23,0:19:47.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can be a great scientist.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.51,0:19:49.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, here's an atheist, who is a great scientist--
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.69,0:19:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Craig Venter, one of the first researchers to sequence the human genome.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.70,0:19:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or Dr. Raymond Damadian. He is a man who invented
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.12,0:20:01.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the MRI scan and revolutionized medicine. He's a biblical Creationist.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.23,0:20:03.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I want us to also understand molecules-to-man
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.67,0:20:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evolution belief has nothing to do with developing technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.06,0:20:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, when we're talking about origins, we're talking about the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.17,0:20:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're talking about our origins. We weren't there.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.67,0:20:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't observe that, whether it's molecules-to-man evolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.72,0:20:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or whether it's a creation account.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.50,0:20:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, you're talking about the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.31,0:20:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'd like to call that Origins or Historical Science,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.14,0:20:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge concerning the past. Here at the Creation Museum,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.34,0:20:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we make no apology about the fact that our Origins or Historical science
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.64,0:20:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually is based upon the biblical account of origins.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.22,0:20:36.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, when you research science textbooks being used
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.55,0:20:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in public schools, what we found is this:
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.00,0:20:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by and large, the Origins or Historical Science
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.23,0:20:46.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is based upon man's ideas about the past--for instance, the ideas of Darwin.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.06,0:20:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And our research has found that public school textbooks
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.31,0:20:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are using the same word "science" for Observational Science
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.27,0:20:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Historical Science. They arbitrarily define science
Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.50,0:20:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as naturalism and outlaw the supernatural.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.20,0:21:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They present molecules-to-man evolution as fact.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.98,0:21:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are imposing, I believe, the religion
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.00,0:21:06.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of naturalism or atheism on generations of students.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.51,0:21:09.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, I assert that the word "science" has been hijacked
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.89,0:21:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by secularists in teaching evolution to force the religion
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.14,0:21:15.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of naturalism on generations of kids.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.43,0:21:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Secular evolutionists teach that all life developed
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.60,0:21:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by natural processes from some primordial form.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.66,0:21:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That man is just an evolved animal, which has great bearing
Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.80,0:21:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on how we view life and death.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.41,0:21:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, as Bill states, "It's very hard to accept,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.60,0:21:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for many of us, that when you die, it's over."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.73,0:21:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, you see, the Bible gives a totally different account of origins,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.84,0:21:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of who we are, where we came from, the meaning of life, and our future.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.24,0:21:41.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.75,0:21:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.87,0:21:48.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whoever believes in Him should not perish and have everlasting life.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.70,0:21:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So is creation a viable model of origins in today's modern scientific era?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.57,0:21:56.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I say the creation/evolution debate is a conflict
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.25,0:21:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between two philosophical worldviews based on two different accounts
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.42,0:22:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of origins or science beliefs and creation
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.32,0:22:05.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the only viable model of historical science confirmed
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.57,0:22:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by observational science in today's modern scientific era.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.24,0:22:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is time. I had the unenviable job of being the time-keeper here.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.39,0:22:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm like the referee in football that you don't like,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.24,0:22:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I will periodically, if either one of our debaters
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.13,0:22:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,runs over on anything, I will stop them in the name of keeping it fair for all.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.28,0:22:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh, Mr. Ham, thank you for your comments. Now it's Mr. Nye's
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.90,0:22:29.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turn for a five minute opening statement. Mr. Nye.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.33,0:22:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.02,0:22:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I very much appreciate you including me in your, uh, facility here.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.13,0:22:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, looking around the room I think I see just one bow tie.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.07,0:22:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that right? Just one. And I'm telling you, once you try it--
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.74,0:22:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh, there's yes, two! That's great. I started wearing bow ties
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.34,0:22:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was young, in high school.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.92,0:22:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My father showed me how. His father showed him.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.36,0:22:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's a story associated with this, which I find remarkable.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.34,0:23:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My grandfather was in the rotary, and he attended
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.72,0:23:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a convention in Philadelphia, and even in those days,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.06,0:23:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the turn of the last century, people rented tuxedos.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.70,0:23:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the tuxedo came with a bow tie--untied bow tie.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.64,0:23:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he didn't know how to tie it.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.72,0:23:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So...wasn't sure what to do, but he just took a chance.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.93,0:23:23.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He went to the hotel room next door, knocked on the door,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.71,0:23:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Excuse me? Can you help me tie my tie?"
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.86,0:23:28.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the guy said, "Sure. Lie down on the bed."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.32,0:23:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So...my grandfather wanted to have the tie on,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.90,0:23:38.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wasn't sure what he was getting into, so he's said
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.43,0:23:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have lain on the bed and the guy tied a perfect bow tie knot and,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.50,0:23:44.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quite reasonably, my grandfather said,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.37,0:23:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Thank you. Why'd I have to lie down on the bed?"
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.04,0:23:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The guy said, "I'm an undertaker."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.70,0:23:51.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience laughs)
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.70,0:23:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It's the only way I know how to do it."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.04,0:23:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now that story was presented to me as a true story.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.60,0:24:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It may or may not be. But it gives you something to think about.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.50,0:24:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's certainly something to remember.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.12,0:24:06.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, here tonight, we're gonna have two stories
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.83,0:24:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we can compare Mr. Ham's story to the story
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.40,0:24:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from what I will call the outside, from mainstream science.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.04,0:24:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The question tonight is: Does Ken Ham's Creation Model hold up?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.90,0:24:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it "viable"?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.64,0:24:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let me ask you all: what would you be doing if you weren't here tonight?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.30,0:24:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's right, you'd be home watching CSI.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.89,0:24:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CSI Petersburg. Is that coming--I think it's coming.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.96,0:24:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on CSI, there is no distinction made between
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.90,0:24:43.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,historical science and observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.69,0:24:46.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are constructs unique to Mr. Ham.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.77,0:24:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't normally have these anywhere in the world except here.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.02,0:24:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Natural laws that applied in the past apply now.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.68,0:24:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why they're natural laws. That's why we embrace them.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.60,0:24:58.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how we made all these discoveries
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.91,0:25:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that enabled all this remarkable technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.43,0:25:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So CSI is a fictional show, but it's based absolutely
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.17,0:25:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on real people doing real work.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.15,0:25:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you go to a crime scene and find evidence,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.77,0:25:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have clues about the past. And you trust those clues
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.13,0:25:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you embrace them and you move forward to convict somebody.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.34,0:25:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Ham and his followers have this remarkable view
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.13,0:25:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a worldwide flood that somehow influenced everything that we observe in nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.56,0:25:32.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A 500 foot wooden boat, eight zookeepers for 14,000 individual animals,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.93,0:25:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every land plant in the world underwater for a full year?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.12,0:25:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I ask us all: is that really reasonable?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.84,0:25:43.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll hear a lot about the Grand Canyon, I imagine, also,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.43,0:25:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a remarkable place and it has fossils.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.40,0:25:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the fossils in the Grand Canyon are found in layers.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.13,0:25:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's not a single place in the Grand Canyon
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.81,0:25:56.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the fossils of one type of animal cross over
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.73,0:25:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the fossils of another. In other words,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.20,0:26:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when there was a big flood on the earth, you would expect
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.56,0:26:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drowning animals to swim up to a higher level.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.83,0:26:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not any one of them did. Not a single one.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.36,0:26:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you could find evidence of that, my friends, you could change the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.60,0:26:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I just wanna remind us all:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.61,0:26:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are billions of people in the world who are deeply religious,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.04,0:26:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who get enriched, who have a wonderful sense of community from their religion.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.00,0:26:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They worship together, they eat together, they live
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.25,0:26:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in their communities and enjoy each others company. Billions of people.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.59,0:26:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But these same people do not embrace the extraordinary view
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.00,0:26:43.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the earth is somehow only 6,000 years old. That is unique.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.67,0:26:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here's my concern: what keeps the United States ahead,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.76,0:26:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what makes the United States a world leader, is our technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.25,0:26:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our new ideas, our innovations. If we continue to eschew science,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.67,0:27:02.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eschew the process and try to divide science
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.59,0:27:05.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into observational science and historic science,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.80,0:27:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are not gonna move forward. We will not embrace natural laws.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.42,0:27:14.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will not make discoveries. We will not invent and innovate and stay ahead.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.67,0:27:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you ask me if Ken Ham's Creation model is viable, I say no.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.94,0:27:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is absolutely not viable. So stay with us over the next period
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.53,0:27:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can compare my evidence to his. Thank you all very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.34,0:27:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience applauds)
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.38,0:27:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(moderator) All right.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.90,0:27:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very nice start by both of our debaters here.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.10,0:27:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now each of one will offer a thirty minute,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.71,0:27:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,illustrated presentation to fully offer their case for us to consider.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.90,0:27:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Ham, you're up.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.38,0:28:00.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the debate topic was "Is creation a viable model
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.26,0:28:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of origins in today's modern scientific era?"
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.99,0:28:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I made the statement at the end of my opening statement:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.79,0:28:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creation is the only viable model of historical science
Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.46,0:28:13.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confirmed by observational science in today's modern scientific era.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:13.27,0:28:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said what we need to be doing is actually defining
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.71,0:28:22.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our terms and, particularly three terms: science, creation, and evolution.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.13,0:28:25.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I discussed the meaning of the word "science"
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.01,0:28:28.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what is meant by experimental and observational science briefly.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.49,0:28:30.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that both Creationists and Evolutionists
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.63,0:28:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be great scientists, for instance. I mentioned Craig Venter, a biologist.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.96,0:28:37.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's an atheist and he's a great scientist.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.83,0:28:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was one of the first researchers to sequence the human genome.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.02,0:28:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also mentioned Dr. Raymond Damadian, who actually invented the MRI scanner.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:46.53,0:28:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want you to meet a biblical creationist who is a scientist and an inventor.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.14,0:28:54.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, my name is Dr. Raymond Damadian.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.87,0:28:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am a Young Earth Creation Scientist and believe that God
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.04,0:29:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,created the world in six 24 hour days,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.21,0:29:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just as recorded in the book of Genesis.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.83,0:29:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By God's grace and the devoted prayers of my Godly mother-in-law,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.55,0:29:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I invented the MRI scanner in 1969.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.01,0:29:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea that scientists who believe the earth
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.46,0:29:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is 6,000 years old cannot do real science is simply wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.33,0:29:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, he's most adamant about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.19,0:29:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, actually, he revolutionized medicine! He's a biblical Creationist.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.80,0:29:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I encourage children to follow people like that, make them their heroes.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.43,0:29:33.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me introduce you to another biblical Creation Scientist.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.20,0:29:34.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Danny Faulkner.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.100,0:29:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I received my PhD in astronomy from Indiana University.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.71,0:29:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For 26 and a half years, I was a professor
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.60,0:29:43.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the University of South Carolina, Lancaster,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.79,0:29:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I hold the rank of distinguished professor emeritus.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.30,0:29:51.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Upon my retirement from the university in January of 2013,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.21,0:29:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I joined the research staff at Answers in Genesis. I'm a stellar astronomer.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.43,0:30:00.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means my primary interests is stars, but I'm particularly
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.27,0:30:02.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested in the study of eclipsing binary stars.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.71,0:30:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I've published many articles in the astronomy literature,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.83,0:30:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,places such as the the Astrophysical Journal,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.50,0:30:10.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Astronomical Journal, and the Observatory.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.44,0:30:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is nothing in observational astronomy that contradicts a recent creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.57,0:30:19.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also mentioned Dr. Stuart Burgess,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.63,0:30:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,professor of Engineering Design at Bristol University in England.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:24.30,0:30:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now he invented and designed a double-action worm gear set
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.88,0:30:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the three hinges of the robotic arm on a very expensive satellite.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.13,0:30:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if that had not worked, if that gear set had not worked,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.29,0:30:38.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that whole satellite would've been useless.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.54,0:30:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yet, Dr. Burgess is a biblical Creationist. He believes, just as I believe.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.21,0:30:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, think about this for a moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.71,0:30:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A scientist like Dr. Burgess,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.60,0:30:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who believe in Creation, just as I do,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.87,0:30:51.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a small minority in this scientific world.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.86,0:30:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But let's see what he says about scientists believing in Creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.46,0:30:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find that many of my colleagues in academia are sympathetic
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.80,0:31:02.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the creationist viewpoint, including biologists.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.09,0:31:06.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, there are often afraid to speak out because of the criticisms
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.21,0:31:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would get from the media and atheists lobby.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.04,0:31:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I agree. That's a real problem today.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.01,0:31:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to have freedom to be able to speak on these topics.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.46,0:31:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I just want to say, by the way, that Creationists,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:18.13,0:31:21.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,non-Christian scientists, I should say,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.57,0:31:23.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,non-Christian scientists are really borrowing
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.74,0:31:26.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Christian worldview anyway to carry out their experimental,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.86,0:31:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observational science. Think about it. When they're doing
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.21,0:31:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observational science, using the scientific method,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.83,0:31:34.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to assume the laws of logic,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.37,0:31:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to assume the laws of nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.83,0:31:37.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to assume the uniformity of nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.100,0:31:41.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, think about it. If the universe came about by natural processes,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:41.11,0:31:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where'd the laws of logic come from? Did they just pop into existence?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.92,0:31:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are we in a stage now where we only have half-logic?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.83,0:31:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you see, I have a question for Bill Nye.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:49.60,0:31:52.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you account for the laws of logic and the laws of nature
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.100,0:31:57.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a naturalistic worldview that excludes the existence of God?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.04,0:32:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, in my opening statement I also discussed
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.83,0:32:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a different type of science or knowledge, origins or historical science.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.63,0:32:08.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See again, there's a confusion here. There's a misunderstanding here.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.66,0:32:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People, by and large, have not been taught to look at
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.18,0:32:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you believe about the past as different to what you're observing in the present.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.51,0:32:20.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't observe the past directly.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:20.35,0:32:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even when you think about the creation account.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.68,0:32:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we can't observe God creating.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.74,0:32:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't observe the creation of Adam and Eve. We admit that.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.56,0:32:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're willing to admit our beliefs about the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.14,0:32:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, see, what you see in the present is very different.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.34,0:32:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even some public school textbooks actually sort of acknowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.62,0:32:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the difference between historical and observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.96,0:32:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here is an Earth Science textbook that's used in public schools.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.56,0:32:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we read this. In contrast to physical geology,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.60,0:32:52.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the aim of historical geology is to understand Earth's long history.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:52.81,0:32:54.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then they make this statement.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:54.31,0:32:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Historical geology--so we're talking historical science--
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.09,0:33:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tries to establish a timeline of the vast number of physical
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.90,0:33:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and biological changes that have occurred in the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.21,0:33:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We study physical geology before historical geology
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.81,0:33:11.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we first must understand how Earth works before we try to unravel its past.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.37,0:33:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, we observe things in the present and then,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.56,0:33:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,okay, we're assuming that that's always happened in the past
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.16,0:33:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're gonna try and figure out how this happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:20.44,0:33:22.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, there is a difference between what you observe
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.25,0:33:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what happened in the past. Let me illustrate it this way:
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.34,0:33:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If Bill Nye and I went to the Grand Canyon,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.20,0:33:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we could agree that that's a Coconino sandstone in the Hermit shale.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.60,0:33:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's the boundary. They're sitting one on top of the other.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:35.16,0:33:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We could agree on that. But you know what we would disagree on?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.57,0:33:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we could even analyse the minerals and agree on that.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.78,0:33:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we would disagree on how long it took to get there.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.100,0:33:47.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But see, none of us saw the sandstone or the shale being laid down.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.19,0:33:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a supposed 10 million year gap there.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:49.50,0:33:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I don't see a gap.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.89,0:33:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that might be different to what Bill Nye would see.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.48,0:33:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's a difference between what you actually observe
Dialogue: 0,0:33:57.29,0:34:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directly and then your interpretation regarding the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.32,0:34:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was at the Goddard Space Center a number of years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.66,0:34:06.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I met Creationists and Evolutionists who were
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.69,0:34:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both working on the Hubble telescope.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.29,0:34:10.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They agreed on how to build the Hubble telescope.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.15,0:34:13.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know what they disagreed on? Well, they disagreed on
Dialogue: 0,0:34:13.19,0:34:16.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to interpret the data the telescope obtained
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.63,0:34:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in regard to the age of the universe.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.13,0:34:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, you know, we could on and talk about lots
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.12,0:34:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of other similar sorts of things. For instance,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.03,0:34:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've heard Bill Nye talk about how a smoke detector works,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.38,0:34:30.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using the radioactive element Americium. And, you know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.67,0:34:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I totally agree with him on that. We agree how it works.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.88,0:34:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We agree how radioactivity enables that to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.69,0:34:37.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you're then gonna use radioactive elements
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.54,0:34:39.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and talk about the age of the Earth,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.33,0:34:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've got a problem cause you weren't there.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.13,0:34:44.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We gotta understand parent elements, daughter elements and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.53,0:34:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We could agree whether you're Creationist or Evolutionist
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.42,0:34:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the technology to put the rover on Mars, but we're gonna
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.89,0:34:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disagree on how to interpret the origin of Mars.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.16,0:34:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, there are some people that believed it
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.88,0:34:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was even a global flood on Mars, and there's no liquid water on Mars.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.15,0:35:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're gonna disagree maybe on our interpretation of origins
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.93,0:35:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can't prove either way because, not from
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.06,0:35:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an observational science perspective, because we've only got the present.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.34,0:35:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creationists and Evolutionists both work on medicines and vaccines.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.12,0:35:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see? It doesn't matter whether you're a Creationist or an Evolutionist,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.33,0:35:22.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all scientists have the same experimental observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:22.66,0:35:26.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I have a question for Bill Nye: Can you name one piece
Dialogue: 0,0:35:26.13,0:35:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of technology that could only have been developed
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.89,0:35:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,starting with the belief in molecules-to-man evolution?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.22,0:35:34.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, here's another important fact.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.55,0:35:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creationists and Evolutionists all have the same evidence.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.76,0:35:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bill Nye and I have the same Grand Canyon. We don't disagree on that.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.90,0:35:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We all have the same fish fossils. This is one from the Creation Museum.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.46,0:35:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same dinosaur skeleton, the same animals, the same humans,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.24,0:35:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same DNA, the same radioactive decay elements that we see.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:54.46,0:35:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have the same universe...actually, we all have the same evidences.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.78,0:36:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not the evidences that are different.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.33,0:36:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a battle over the same evidence in regard to how we interpret the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.12,0:36:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know why that is?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.25,0:36:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cause it's really a battle over worldviews and starting points.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.73,0:36:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a battle over philosophical worldviews
Dialogue: 0,0:36:11.92,0:36:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and starting points, but the same evidence. Now, I admit,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:14.72,0:36:17.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my starting point is that God is the ultimate authority.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.39,0:36:21.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if someone doesn't accept that, then man has to be the ultimate authority.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:21.43,0:36:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's really the difference when it comes down to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.76,0:36:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, I've been emphasizing the difference
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.59,0:36:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between historical origin science, knowledge about
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.36,0:36:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the past when you weren't there,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.62,0:36:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we need to understand that we weren't there.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.13,0:36:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or experimental observational science, using
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.24,0:36:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your five senses in the present, the scientific method,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:38.41,0:36:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you can directly observe, test, repeat.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:42.67,0:36:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a big difference between those two.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.12,0:36:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's not what's being taught in our public schools
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.73,0:36:48.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's why kids aren't being taught to think
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.57,0:36:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,critically and correctly about the origins issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:51.60,0:36:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know, it's also important to understand,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.64,0:36:56.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when talking about Creation and Evolution, both involve
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.69,0:36:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,historical science and observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:59.23,0:37:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, the role of observational science is this:
Dialogue: 0,0:37:02.22,0:37:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can be used to confirm or otherwise
Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.82,0:37:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one's historical science based on one's starting point.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:07.63,0:37:10.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, when you think about the debate topic and what I have
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.89,0:37:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,learned concerning creation, if our origins
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.30,0:37:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or historical science based on the bible, the bible's account
Dialogue: 0,0:37:17.76,0:37:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of origins is true, then there should be predictions
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.07,0:37:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from this that we can test, using observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:24.34,0:37:26.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are. For instance, based on the bible,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.84,0:37:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'd expect to find evidence concerning an intelligence,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:29.56,0:37:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confirming an intelligence produced life.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:31.92,0:37:35.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'd expect to find evidence confirming after their kind.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.09,0:37:38.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The bible says God made kinds of animals and plants
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.06,0:37:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after their kind, implying each kind produces it's own,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.09,0:37:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not that one kind changes into another.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:43.30,0:37:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'd expect to find evidence confirming a global flood of Noah's day.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.16,0:37:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evidence confirming one race of humans because we
Dialogue: 0,0:37:50.89,0:37:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all go back to Adam and Eve, biologically, that would mean there's one race.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.50,0:37:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evidence confirming the Tower of Babel, that God gave different languages.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:57.63,0:38:00.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evidence confirming a young universe.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.17,0:38:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I can't go through all of those, but a couple of them we'll look at briefly.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.10,0:38:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After their kind, evidence confirming that--
Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.56,0:38:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Creation Museum, we have a display featuring replicas,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.97,0:38:15.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually, of Darwin's finches. They're called Darwin's finches.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.59,0:38:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin collected finches from the Galapagos
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.26,0:38:21.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and took them back to England and we see the different species,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.63,0:38:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the different beak sizes here. And, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.49,0:38:27.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the specimens Darwin obtained in the Galapagos,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:27.19,0:38:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he actually pondered these things and how do you explain this.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.18,0:38:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in his notes, actually, he came up with this diagram here, a tree.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.56,0:38:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he actually said, "I think." So he was talking about
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.00,0:38:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different species and maybe those species came from some common ancestor,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.53,0:38:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, actually, when it comes to finches, we actually would agree,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.50,0:38:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Creationists, that different finch species came from a common ancestor, but a finch.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.16,0:38:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what they would have to come from.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.38,0:39:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And see, Darwin wasn't just thinking about species.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.24,0:39:03.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin had a much bigger picture in mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:03.49,0:39:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you look at the Origins of Species and read that book,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.36,0:39:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'll find he made this statement: from such low and intermediate form,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.87,0:39:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both animals and plants may have been developed;
Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.97,0:39:16.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, if we admit this, we must likewise admit that
Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.13,0:39:18.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all organic beings which have ever lived on this Earth
Dialogue: 0,0:39:18.97,0:39:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may be descended from some one primordial form.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.04,0:39:27.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he had in mind what we today know as an evolutionary tree of life,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.53,0:39:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all life has arisen from some primordial form.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.32,0:39:34.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, when you consider the classifications system,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.99,0:39:37.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kingdom phylum class or the family genus species,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.57,0:39:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would say, as Creationists, we have many creation scientists
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.69,0:39:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that research this and, for lots of reasons,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.46,0:39:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say, the kind in Genesis 1 is really more at
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.06,0:39:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the family level of classification. For instance, there's one dog kind.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.59,0:39:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's one cat kind. Even though you have different
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.40,0:39:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generative species, that would mean, by the way,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.57,0:39:57.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you didn't need anywhere near the number of animals
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.89,0:39:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the ark as people think.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.24,0:40:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You wouldn't need all the species of dogs, just two.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:00.83,0:40:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not all the species of cats--just two.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:02.50,0:40:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, you see, based on the biblical account there in Genesis One,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.79,0:40:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creationists have drawn up what they believe is a creation origin.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.26,0:40:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, they're saying, "Look. There's great variation
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.13,0:40:16.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the genetics of dogs and finches and so on."
Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.21,0:40:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, over time, particularly after Noah's flood,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:19.44,0:40:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'd expect if there were two dogs, for instance,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.50,0:40:24.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could end up with different species of dogs because
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.67,0:40:28.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's an incredible amount of variability in the genes of any creature.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.71,0:40:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so you'd expect these different species up here, but there's limits.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:33.17,0:40:36.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dogs will always be dogs, finches will always be finches.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.27,0:40:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, as a Creationist, I maintain that observational science
Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.86,0:40:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually confirms this model, based on the bible.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.71,0:40:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, take dogs. Okay?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.24,0:40:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a scientific paper dated January 2014--that's this year--
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.52,0:40:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scientists working at the University of California stated this:
Dialogue: 0,0:40:57.66,0:41:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We provide several lines of evidence supporting
Dialogue: 0,0:41:00.54,0:41:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a single origin for dogs, and disfavoring alternative models
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.38,0:41:06.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which dog lineages arise separately
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.84,0:41:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from geographically distinct wolf populations.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.32,0:41:11.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they put this diagram in the paper.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:11.55,0:41:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By the way, that diagram is very, very similar
Dialogue: 0,0:41:14.20,0:41:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this diagram that Creationists proposed based upon
Dialogue: 0,0:41:17.83,0:41:20.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the creation account in Genesis. In other words,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:20.72,0:41:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a common dog ancestor that gives rise
Dialogue: 0,0:41:22.93,0:41:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the different species of dogs, and that's exactly
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.32,0:41:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we're saying here. Now, in the Creation Museum,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:28.13,0:41:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we actually show the finches here and you see the finches
Dialogue: 0,0:41:31.26,0:41:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with their different beaks, beside dogs skulls, different species of dogs.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.79,0:41:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By the way, there's more variation in the dog skeleton
Dialogue: 0,0:41:37.55,0:41:40.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here than there are in these finches. Yet, the dogs,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.43,0:41:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wow, that's never used as an example of evolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:42.88,0:41:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the finches are, particularly in the public school textbooks.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.79,0:41:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Students are taught, "Ah! See the changes that are occurring here?"
Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.96,0:41:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here's another problem that we've got.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:51.09,0:41:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only has the word "science" been hijacked by secularists,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:55.62,0:41:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe the word "evolution" has been hijacked by secularists.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:59.79,0:42:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word "evolution" has been hijacked using what I call a bait and switch.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.86,0:42:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me explain to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.13,0:42:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word "evolution" is being used in public school textbooks,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.77,0:42:11.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we often see it in documentaries and so on,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.83,0:42:15.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is used for observable changes that we would agree with,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.26,0:42:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then used for unobservable changes, such as molecules-to-man.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:19.24,0:42:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me explain to you what's really going on because
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.72,0:42:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a science teacher in the public schools
Dialogue: 0,0:42:23.41,0:42:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I know what the students were taught and I checked
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.12,0:42:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the public school textbooks anyway to know what they're taught.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:28.38,0:42:30.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, students are taught today, look, there's all
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.79,0:42:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these different animals, plants, but they're all part
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.60,0:42:37.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this great, big tree of life that goes back to some primordial form.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:37.45,0:42:39.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, look, we see changes. Changes in finches,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.57,0:42:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changes in dogs and so on. Now, we don't deny the changes.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:42.57,0:42:45.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see that. You see different species of finches, different species of dogs.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:45.57,0:42:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then they put it all together in this evolutionary tree--
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.27,0:42:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's what you don't observe. You don't observe that.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.50,0:42:54.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's belief there. That's the historical science
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.33,0:42:57.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I would say is wrong. But, you know, what you do observe,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.99,0:43:02.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do observe different species of dogs, different species of finches,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:02.61,0:43:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then there are limits. You don't see one kind changing into another.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:06.71,0:43:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, we're told that if you teach creation
Dialogue: 0,0:43:12.12,0:43:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the public schools as teaching religion,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.24,0:43:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you teach evolution as science, I'm gonna say, "Wait a minute!"
Dialogue: 0,0:43:17.10,0:43:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, the creation model here, based upon the Bible,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.28,0:43:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observational science confirms this. This is what you're observe!
Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.40,0:43:25.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't observe this tree.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.79,0:43:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, it's the public school textbooks that are teaching a belief,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.50,0:43:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imposing it on students, and they need to be teaching them
Dialogue: 0,0:43:32.21,0:43:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observational science to understand the reality of what's happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:36.88,0:43:40.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, what we found is that public school textbooks present
Dialogue: 0,0:43:40.66,0:43:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the evolutionary "tree" as science, but reject the creation "orchard" as religion.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:44.67,0:43:47.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But observational science confirms the creation orchard--
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.46,0:43:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so public school textbooks are rejecting observational science
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.80,0:43:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and imposing a naturalistic religion on students.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.88,0:43:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word "evolution" has been hijacked using a bait and switch
Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.94,0:44:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to indoctrinate students to accept evolutionary belief
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.40,0:44:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as observational science.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:02.34,0:44:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me introduce you to another scientist, Richard Lenski,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.92,0:44:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Michigan State University. He's a great scientist,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.68,0:44:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he's known for culturing e-coli in the lab...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:11.16,0:44:15.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he found there was some e-coli that actually seemed
Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.43,0:44:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to develop the ability to grow on cistrate on substrate.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:23.40,0:44:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Richard Lenski is here, mentioned in this book,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.24,0:44:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's called "Evolution in the Lab".
Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.91,0:44:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the ability to grow on citrate is said to be evolution.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:35.50,0:44:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are those that say, "Hey! This is against the Creationist."
Dialogue: 0,0:44:39.84,0:44:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, Jerry Coin from University of Chicago says,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.90,0:44:45.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Lenski's experiment is also yet another poke in the eye
Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.59,0:44:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for anti-evolutionists."
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.23,0:44:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He says, "The thing I like most is it says you can get
Dialogue: 0,0:44:50.59,0:44:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these complex traits evolving by a combination of unlikely events."
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.70,0:44:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But is it a poke in the eye for anti-evolutionists?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.17,0:45:01.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it really seeing complex traits evolving?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.37,0:45:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does it mean that some of these bacteria are able to grow on citrate?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.20,0:45:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me introduce you to another biblical Creationist, who is a scientist.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.24,0:45:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, my name's Dr. Andrew Fabich.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:12.76,0:45:16.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got my PhD from University of Oklahoma in Microbiology.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.45,0:45:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I teach at Liberty University and I do research on e-coli in the intestine.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:20.08,0:45:25.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've published it in secular journals from the American Society for Microbiology,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.66,0:45:30.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including infection immunity and applied environmental microbiology
Dialogue: 0,0:45:30.97,0:45:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as several others.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:32.36,0:45:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My work has been cited even in the past year in the journals Nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:35.32,0:45:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Science Translational Medicine, Public Library of Science,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:38.70,0:45:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Public Library of Science Genetics. It's cited regularly
Dialogue: 0,0:45:41.66,0:45:45.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in those journals and while I was taught nothing but evolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.90,0:45:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't accept that position.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:48.14,0:45:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do my research from a creation perspective.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.26,0:45:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I look at the evidence that people cite as e-coli,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.36,0:46:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supposedly, evolving over 30 years, over 30,000 generations in the lab,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:00.66,0:46:04.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people say that it is now able to grow on citrate,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.41,0:46:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't deny that it grows on citrate,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.20,0:46:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's not any kind of new information.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:08.76,0:46:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The information's already there and it's just a switch
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.04,0:46:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that gets turned on and off and that's what they reported in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.58,0:46:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's nothing new.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.24,0:46:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, students need to be told what's really going on here.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.34,0:46:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Certainly there's change, but it's not change necessary for molecules-to-man.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:24.37,0:46:27.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, we could look at other predictions.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:27.13,0:46:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about evidence confirming one race?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:29.26,0:46:32.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, when we look at the human population we see lots of differences.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:32.39,0:46:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But based on Darwin's ideas of human evolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:35.30,0:46:37.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as presented in The Descent of Man, I mean,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.63,0:46:39.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin did teach in The Descent of Man there were
Dialogue: 0,0:46:39.59,0:46:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lower races and higher races.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:41.46,0:46:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you believe, that back in the 1900s, one of the most
Dialogue: 0,0:46:44.54,0:46:49.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,popular biology textbooks used in the public schools in America taught this:
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.43,0:46:51.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the present time there exists upon Earth
Dialogue: 0,0:46:51.81,0:46:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,five races or varieties of man...and finally,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:55.06,0:46:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the highest type of all, the Caucasians, represented
Dialogue: 0,0:46:58.20,0:47:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the civilized white inhabitants of Europe and America.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.11,0:47:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you imagine if that was in the public schools today?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:03.10,0:47:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, yet, that's what was taught, but it was based on
Dialogue: 0,0:47:06.50,0:47:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin's ideas that are wrong. You have a wrong foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:11.20,0:47:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're gonna have a wrong worldview.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.56,0:47:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, had they started from the Bible, and from
Dialogue: 0,0:47:15.76,0:47:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the creation account in the Bible, what does it teach?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:19.15,0:47:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we're all descendants of Adam and Eve.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.25,0:47:24.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We go through the Tower of Babel, different languages,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:24.15,0:47:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so different people groups formed distinct characteristics.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:26.28,0:47:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we'd expect, we'd say, you know what,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:29.22,0:47:31.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that means there's biologically only one race of humans.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:31.19,0:47:33.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I mentioned Dr. Venter before.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:33.70,0:47:36.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he was a researcher with the human genome project.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:36.82,0:47:39.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you'll remember, in the year 2000, this was headline news,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:39.46,0:47:42.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what we read was this: they had put together
Dialogue: 0,0:47:42.05,0:47:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a draft of the entire sequence of the human genome
Dialogue: 0,0:47:44.22,0:47:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and unanimously declared, there is only one race - the human race.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:48.36,0:47:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wow! Who would have guessed?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:49.70,0:47:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you see there we have observational science
Dialogue: 0,0:47:52.54,0:47:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confirming the Creation account,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:54.71,0:47:58.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not confirming at all Darwin's ideas.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:58.44,0:48:00.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, there's much more that can be said
Dialogue: 0,0:48:00.09,0:48:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on each of these topics.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:01.22,0:48:04.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, you can't do that in a short time like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:04.72,0:48:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you could do a lot more research.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:06.29,0:48:09.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suggest you visit our website at Answers in Genesis
Dialogue: 0,0:48:09.37,0:48:10.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a lot more information.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:10.85,0:48:14.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the debate topic: Is creation a viable model
Dialogue: 0,0:48:14.66,0:48:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of origins in today's scientific era?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:17.17,0:48:19.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, we need to define the terms,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:19.64,0:48:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and particularly, the term science
Dialogue: 0,0:48:21.30,0:48:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the term evolution. And I believe we need
Dialogue: 0,0:48:23.94,0:48:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to understand how they are being used to impose
Dialogue: 0,0:48:25.93,0:48:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an anti-God religion on generations of unsuspecting students.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:29.93,0:48:32.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, I keep emphasizing we do need to
Dialogue: 0,0:48:32.08,0:48:34.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand the difference between experimental or
Dialogue: 0,0:48:34.17,0:48:36.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observational science and historical science.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:36.94,0:48:37.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.18,0:48:39.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The secularists don't like me doing this
Dialogue: 0,0:48:39.99,0:48:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they don't want to admit
Dialogue: 0,0:48:41.52,0:48:43.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's a belief aspect to what they're saying.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:43.69,0:48:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there is. And they can't get away from it.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:46.24,0:48:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me illustrate this with a statement from Bill Nye.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:49.06,0:48:50.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You can show the Earth is not flat.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:50.74,0:48:52.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can show the Earth is not 10,000 years old."
Dialogue: 0,0:48:52.94,0:48:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By the way, I agree. You can show the Earth is not flat.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:55.57,0:48:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a video from the Galileo spacecraft showing
Dialogue: 0,0:48:58.64,0:49:00.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Earth, and speeded up of course, but spinning.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:00.69,0:49:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can see it's a sphere. You can observe that.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:03.08,0:49:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't observe the age of the Earth.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:05.52,0:49:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't see that. You see again, I emphasize,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:08.25,0:49:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a big difference between historical science,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:10.51,0:49:13.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about the past, and observational science,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:13.56,0:49:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about the present.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:15.74,0:49:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I believe what's happening is this, that students are being
Dialogue: 0,0:49:18.20,0:49:20.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,indoctrinated by the confusion of terms:
Dialogue: 0,0:49:20.38,0:49:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hijacking of the word science and the hijacking
Dialogue: 0,0:49:22.88,0:49:25.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the word evolution in a bait-and-switch.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:26.14,0:49:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me illustrate further with this video clip.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:29.27,0:49:31.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because here I assert that Bill Nye is equating
Dialogue: 0,0:49:31.94,0:49:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observational science with historical science.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:34.56,0:49:37.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I also say it's not a mystery when you understand the difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.70,0:49:41.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Howie, people with these deeply held religious beliefs,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:41.59,0:49:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they embrace that whole literal interpretation
Dialogue: 0,0:49:45.29,0:49:49.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Bible as written in English, as a worldview.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:49.49,0:49:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, at the same time, they accept aspirin,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:53.94,0:49:58.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,antibiotic drugs, airplanes, but they're able
Dialogue: 0,0:49:58.99,0:50:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to hold these two worldviews. And this is a mystery.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:01.50,0:50:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, I suggest to you it's not a mystery.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:04.50,0:50:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, when I'm talking about antibiotics,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:06.56,0:50:09.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aspirin, smoke detectors, jet planes,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:09.23,0:50:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's Ken Ham the Observational Science Bloke.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:11.86,0:50:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm an Australian. We call guy's "blokes", okay?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:15.40,0:50:18.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when you're talking about creation and thousands of years
Dialogue: 0,0:50:18.39,0:50:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the age of the Earth,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:19.56,0:50:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's Ken Ham the Historical Science Bloke.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:21.24,0:50:22.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm willing to admit that.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:22.16,0:50:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, when Bill Nye's talking about aspirin,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:24.52,0:50:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,antibiotics, jet planes, smoke detectors,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:26.52,0:50:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he does a great job at that.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.81,0:50:29.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to enjoy watching him on TV too.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:29.70,0:50:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's Bill Nye the Observational Science Guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:32.89,0:50:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when he's talking about evolution and millions of years,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:34.86,0:50:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm challenging him that that's Bill Nye the Historical Science Guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:39.16,0:50:42.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I challenge the evolutionist to admit the belief
Dialogue: 0,0:50:42.69,0:50:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aspects of their particular worldview.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:46.40,0:50:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, at the Creation Museum, we're only too willing
Dialogue: 0,0:50:49.64,0:50:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to admit our beliefs based upon the Bible,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:51.47,0:50:53.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we also teach people the difference between
Dialogue: 0,0:50:53.78,0:50:55.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beliefs and what one can actually observe
Dialogue: 0,0:50:55.93,0:50:57.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and experiment with in the present.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:57.44,0:50:59.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe we're teaching people to think critically
Dialogue: 0,0:50:59.61,0:51:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to think in the right terms about science.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:03.21,0:51:05.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe it's the creationists that should be
Dialogue: 0,0:51:05.19,0:51:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,educating the kids out there because we're teaching
Dialogue: 0,0:51:08.44,0:51:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them the right way to think. You know, we admit it.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:11.60,0:51:13.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our origins of historical science is based upon the Bible,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:13.86,0:51:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm just challenging evolutionists to admit
Dialogue: 0,0:51:16.16,0:51:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the belief aspects of evolution
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.69,0:51:20.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be upfront about the difference here.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:20.19,0:51:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said, I'm only too willing to admit
Dialogue: 0,0:51:22.40,0:51:24.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my historical science based on the Bible.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:24.83,0:51:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And let me further go on to define the term "creation" as we use it.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:30.03,0:51:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By creation, we mean, here at Answers in Genesis
Dialogue: 0,0:51:34.14,0:51:37.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Creation Museum, we mean the account based on the Bible.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:37.78,0:51:41.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I take Genesis as literal history, as Jesus did.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:41.14,0:51:44.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, here at the Creation Museum, we walk people through that history.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:44.78,0:51:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We walk them through creation, the perfect creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:47.64,0:51:51.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That God made Adam and Eve, land animal kinds, sea-creatures and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:51.74,0:51:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then sin and death entered the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:54.44,0:51:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was no death before sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:56.50,0:52:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means how can you have billions of dead things before man sinned?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:04.83,0:52:06.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, the catastrophe of Noah's flood. If there was a global flood,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:06.76,0:52:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'd expect to find billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:08.92,0:52:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Had to say that because a lot of our supporters would want me to.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:12.84,0:52:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what do you find?--Billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:17.92,0:52:22.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Confusion, the tower of Babel. God gave different languages so you get different people groups.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:22.34,0:52:28.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is the geological, astronomical, anthropological, biological history as recorded in the Bible.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:28.22,0:52:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is concerning what happened in the past that explains the present.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:31.34,0:52:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, of course, that God's Son stepped into history to be Jesus Christ, the God-Man
Dialogue: 0,0:52:36.86,0:52:39.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to die on the cross, be raised from the dead. And one day there's going to be
Dialogue: 0,0:52:39.33,0:52:42.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a new heavens and a new earth to come. And, you know, not only
Dialogue: 0,0:52:42.34,0:52:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is this an understanding of history to explain the
Dialogue: 0,0:52:47.39,0:52:50.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,geology, biology, astronomy, and so on to connect the present to the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:50.25,0:52:53.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's also a foundation for our whole world view.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:53.90,0:52:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, in Matthew 19, when Jesus was asked about marriage, he said,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.23,0:53:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Have you not read He who made them at the beginning made them male and female?"
Dialogue: 0,0:53:02.66,0:53:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And said, "For this cause shall a man leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife. And they'll be one flesh."
Dialogue: 0,0:53:06.40,0:53:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He quoted from Genesis as literal history--Genesis 1 and 2. God invented marriage, by the way.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:12.06,0:53:15.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's where marriage comes from. And it's to be a man and a woman.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:15.47,0:53:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And not only marriage. Ultimately, every single Biblical doctrine of theology
Dialogue: 0,0:53:19.56,0:53:22.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directly or indirectly, is founded in Genesis.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.17,0:53:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why is there sin in the world? Genesis.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:25.18,0:53:26.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why is there death? Genesis.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:26.84,0:53:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why do we wear clothes? Genesis.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:28.80,0:53:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why did Jesus die on the cross? Genesis.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:30.56,0:53:33.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a very important book. It's foundational to all Christian doctrine.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:33.19,0:53:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you see, when we look at that, what I call the seven C's of History
Dialogue: 0,0:53:36.50,0:53:38.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we walk people through here at the museum,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:38.46,0:53:40.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think about how it all connects together--a perfect creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:40.93,0:53:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It'll be perfect again in the future.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:43.14,0:53:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sin and death--end of the world. That's why God's son died on the cross
Dialogue: 0,0:53:46.92,0:53:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to conquer death and offer a free gift of salvation.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:50.00,0:53:53.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The flood of Noah's day, a reminder that the flood was a
Dialogue: 0,0:53:53.90,0:53:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,judgement because of man's wickedness but at the same time
Dialogue: 0,0:53:56.18,0:53:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a message of God's grace and salvation.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:58.24,0:54:00.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As Noah and his family had to go through a door to be saved,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:00.92,0:54:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we need to go through a door to be saved.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:03.12,0:54:05.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jesus Christ said, "I am the door. By me, if any man
Dialogue: 0,0:54:05.87,0:54:08.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enter in, he'll be saved. And we make no apology
Dialogue: 0,0:54:08.63,0:54:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the fact that what we're on about is this:
Dialogue: 0,0:54:11.06,0:54:13.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
Dialogue: 0,0:54:13.46,0:54:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,believe in your heart God has raised him from the dead,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:15.58,0:54:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'll be saved. Now, as soon as I said that,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:17.92,0:54:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see if people say, "See, if you allow creation in schools,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:21.00,0:54:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for instance, if you'll ask students to even hear about it,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:23.00,0:54:24.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ah, this is religion."
Dialogue: 0,0:54:24.67,0:54:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, let me illustrate this,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:27.17,0:54:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about a recent battle in Texas over textbooks
Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.46,0:54:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the public school. A newspaper report said this:
Dialogue: 0,0:54:35.47,0:54:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Textbook and classroom curriculum battles have long
Dialogue: 0,0:54:37.76,0:54:40.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,raged in Texas pitting creationists - those who see
Dialogue: 0,0:54:40.23,0:54:42.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God's hand in the creation of the universe-
Dialogue: 0,0:54:42.09,0:54:43.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against academics..."
Dialogue: 0,0:54:43.93,0:54:46.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stop right there. Notice creationists... academics.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:46.26,0:54:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creationists can't be academics. Creationists can't be scientists.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:48.56,0:54:50.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, it's the way things are worded out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:50.42,0:54:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an indoctrination that's going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:53.36,0:54:55.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We worry about religious and political ideology
Dialogue: 0,0:54:55.90,0:54:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trumping scientific fact. Wait a minute.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:58.17,0:54:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do I mean by science? You're talking about
Dialogue: 0,0:54:59.96,0:55:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you observe, or are you talking about your beliefs about the past?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:03.36,0:55:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, Kathy Miller is the president of the Texas Freedom Network and
Dialogue: 0,0:55:07.52,0:55:14.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she has vocally spoken out. She's spoken out about this textbook battle there in Texas.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:14.10,0:55:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the mission statement of the organization she's president of says, "The Texas Freedom Network
Dialogue: 0,0:55:21.92,0:55:24.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,advances a mainstream agenda of religious freedom and individual liberties
Dialogue: 0,0:55:24.82,0:55:28.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to counter the religious right." Religious freedom... individual liberties. Hmm.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:28.49,0:55:34.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then she makes this statement: "Science education..." What does she mean by science?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:34.22,0:55:37.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"should be based on mainstream science education, not on personal idealogical beliefs
Dialogue: 0,0:55:37.30,0:55:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of unqualified reviewers." Wait a minute. They want religious liberty and not personal
Dialogue: 0,0:55:43.44,0:55:48.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideological beliefs? I assert this: public school textbooks are using the same word "science"
Dialogue: 0,0:55:48.70,0:55:53.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for observational and historical science. They arbitrarily define science as naturalism
Dialogue: 0,0:55:53.34,0:55:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and outlaw the supernatural. They present molecules-to-man evolution as as fact.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:57.21,0:56:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they are imposing the religion of naturalism on generations of students.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:00.28,0:56:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're imposing their ideology on the students
Dialogue: 0,0:56:02.93,0:56:04.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everything's explained by natural processes.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:04.91,0:56:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a religion. What do you mean by religious liberty?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:07.42,0:56:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They tolerate their religion.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:10.26,0:56:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, the battle is really about authority.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:12.43,0:56:15.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's more than just science or evolution or creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:15.03,0:56:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's about who is the authority in this world, man or God?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:19.08,0:56:22.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you start with naturalism, then what about morals?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:22.49,0:56:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who decides right and wrong? Well, it's subjective.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:24.74,0:56:26.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Marriage? Well, whatever you want it to be.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:27.20,0:56:29.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Get rid of old people. I mean, why not?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:29.55,0:56:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're just animals, they're costing us a lot of money.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:31.80,0:56:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Abortion. Get rid of spare cats, get rid of spare kids. We're all animals.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:35.32,0:56:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you start from God's word, there are moral absolutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.17,0:56:40.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God decides right and wrong. Marriage--one man and one woman.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:40.93,0:56:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sanctity of life--we care for old people. They're made in the image of God.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:44.33,0:56:47.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Life begins at fertilization, so abortion is killing a human being.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:48.32,0:56:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do see the collapse of Christian morality
Dialogue: 0,0:56:50.54,0:56:53.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our culture and increasing moral relativism
Dialogue: 0,0:56:53.13,0:56:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because generations of kids are being taught the religion
Dialogue: 0,0:56:56.27,0:56:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of naturalism and that the Bible can't be trusted.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:59.15,0:57:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, again, I say creation is the only viable model
Dialogue: 0,0:57:03.04,0:57:05.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of historical science confirmed by observational science
Dialogue: 0,0:57:05.89,0:57:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in today's modern scientific era. You know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:08.16,0:57:10.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a science teacher. I want to see kids taught science.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:10.82,0:57:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love science. I want to see more (inaudible) in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:14.58,0:57:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, if we teach them the whole universe
Dialogue: 0,0:57:16.39,0:57:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a result of natural processes and not designed
Dialogue: 0,0:57:19.34,0:57:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a creative God, they might be looking in the wrong places
Dialogue: 0,0:57:22.46,0:57:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or have the wrong idea when they're looking
Dialogue: 0,0:57:24.44,0:57:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the creation in regard to how you develop technology
Dialogue: 0,0:57:27.82,0:57:30.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because if they look at it as just random processes,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:30.81,0:57:33.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could totally influence the way they think.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:33.43,0:57:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they understand it was a perfect world marred by sin,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:36.08,0:57:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could have a great affect on how they then look
Dialogue: 0,0:57:38.96,0:57:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for overcoming diseases and problems in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:42.25,0:57:45.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want children to be taught the right foundation,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:45.59,0:57:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's a God who created them, who loves them,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:48.04,0:57:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who died on the cross for them and that they're special.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:52.04,0:57:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're made in the image of God.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:55.01,0:57:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(moderator) There you go. Thank you, Mr. Ham.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:56.29,0:57:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-We can applaud Mr. Ham's presentation.\N-(audience applauds)
Dialogue: 0,0:58:12.15,0:58:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, you know, it did occur to me when you had
Dialogue: 0,0:58:14.20,0:58:17.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my old friend Larry King up there, you could've just asked him.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:17.57,0:58:20.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's been around a long time. And he's a smart guy!
Dialogue: 0,0:58:20.14,0:58:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He could probably answer for all of us. Now, let's all be
Dialogue: 0,0:58:25.22,0:58:28.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attentive to Mr. Nye as he gives us his 30 minute presentation.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:28.42,0:58:31.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much and, Mr. Ham, I learned something.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:31.92,0:58:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you. But let's take it back around to question at hand:
Dialogue: 0,0:58:37.59,0:58:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does Ken Ham's creation model hold up? Is it viable?
Dialogue: 0,0:58:42.64,0:58:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, for me, of course...well...take a look.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:46.99,0:58:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're here in Kentucky on layer upon layer upon layer of limestone.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:53.54,0:58:56.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I stopped at the side of the road today and picked up
Dialogue: 0,0:58:56.22,0:58:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just a piece of limestone. It has a fossil right there.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:00.64,0:59:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, in these many, many layers, in this vicinity of Kentucky,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:05.29,0:59:10.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are coral animal--fossils, Zooxanthella--
Dialogue: 0,0:59:10.35,0:59:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when you look at it closely,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:12.04,0:59:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see that they lived their entire lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:14.32,0:59:18.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They lived typically 20 years, sometimes more than that
Dialogue: 0,0:59:18.74,0:59:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the water conditions are correct.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:20.87,0:59:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we are standing on millions of layers of ancient life.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:27.19,0:59:30.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How could those animals have lived their entire life,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:30.31,0:59:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and formed these layers, in just 4,000 years?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:34.17,0:59:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There isn't enough time since Mr. Ham's flood
Dialogue: 0,0:59:38.91,0:59:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this limestone that we're standing on to come into existence.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:46.08,0:59:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My scientific colleagues go to places like Greenland,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:48.84,0:59:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Arctic, they go to Antarctica, and they drill
Dialogue: 0,0:59:52.50,0:59:57.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the ice with hollow drill bits. It's not that extraordinary.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:57.26,0:59:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many of you have probably done it yourselves, drilling other things.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.84,1:00:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hole saws to put locks in doors, for example.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:03.55,1:00:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we pull out long cylinders of ice, long ice rods.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:09.85,1:00:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these are made of snow and it's called "snow ice".
Dialogue: 0,1:00:14.98,1:00:20.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And snow ice forms over the winter as snowflakes fall
Dialogue: 0,1:00:20.02,1:00:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are crushed down by subsequent layers. They're crushed together,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:23.13,1:00:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,entrapping the little bubbles and the little bubbles must
Dialogue: 0,1:00:26.56,1:00:30.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,needs be ancient atmosphere. There's nobody running around
Dialogue: 0,1:00:30.47,1:00:34.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a hypodermic needle, squirting ancient atmosphere into the bubbles.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:34.75,1:00:40.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we find certain of these cylinders to have 680,000 layers.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:40.86,1:00:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,680,000 snow/winter/summer cycles.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:47.61,1:00:53.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How could it be that just 4,000 years ago all of this ice formed?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:54.03,1:00:56.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's just run some numbers.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:57.50,1:01:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is some scenes from the lovely Antarctic.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:01.53,1:01:05.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's say we have 680,000 layers of snow ice
Dialogue: 0,1:01:05.56,1:01:08.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and 4,000 years since the Great Flood.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:08.48,1:01:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That would mean we'd need 170 winter-summer cycles
Dialogue: 0,1:01:13.67,1:01:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every year, for the last 4,000 years.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:16.75,1:01:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, wouldn't someone have noticed that? Wow!
Dialogue: 0,1:01:21.07,1:01:23.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wouldn't someone have noticed that there's been
Dialogue: 0,1:01:23.05,1:01:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,winter-summer-winter-summer 170 times one year?
Dialogue: 0,1:01:26.77,1:01:33.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we go to California, we find enormous stands of bristlecone pines.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:33.86,1:01:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of them are over 6,000 years old. 6,800 years old.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:38.38,1:01:44.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a famous tree in Sweden, Old Tjikko, is 9,550 years old.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:45.38,1:01:53.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How could these trees be there if there was an enormous flood just 4,000 years ago?
Dialogue: 0,1:01:53.51,1:01:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can try this yourself, everybody.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:56.12,1:01:58.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Get, I mean, I don't mean to be mean to trees,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:58.53,1:02:02.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but get a sapling and put it under water for a year.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:02.85,1:02:06.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will not survive in general. Nor will its seeds.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:06.74,1:02:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They just won't make it. So how could these trees
Dialogue: 0,1:02:10.62,1:02:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be that old if the Earth is only 4,000 years old?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:15.28,1:02:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, when we go to the Grand Canyon--which is an astonishing place
Dialogue: 0,1:02:18.30,1:02:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I recommend to everybody in the world to someday visit the Grand Canyon--
Dialogue: 0,1:02:19.73,1:02:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you find layer upon layer of ancient rocks.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:26.36,1:02:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if there was this enormous flood that you speak of,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:27.70,1:02:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wouldn't there have been churning and bubbling and roiling?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:35.55,1:02:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How would these things have settled out?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:36.93,1:02:40.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your claim that they settled out in an extraordinary short amount of time
Dialogue: 0,1:02:40.83,1:02:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is for me, not satisfactory. You can look at these rocks. You can look at rocks that are younger.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:47.80,1:02:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can go to seashores where there's sand. This is what geologists on the outside do,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:54.78,1:02:58.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,study the rate at which soil is deposited at the end of rivers and deltas.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:58.86,1:03:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we can see that it takes a long, long time for sediments to turn to stone.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:06.00,1:03:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also, in this picture you can see where one type of sediment has intruded on another type.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:11.16,1:03:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, if that was uniform, wouldn't we expect it all to be even, without intrusion?
Dialogue: 0,1:03:18.28,1:03:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Furthermore, you can find places in the Grand Canyon where you see an ancient riverbed on that side
Dialogue: 0,1:03:23.86,1:03:27.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to an ancient riverbed on that side and the Colorado River has cut through it.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:27.57,1:03:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And by the way, if this great flood drained through the Grand Canyon,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:33.78,1:03:38.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wouldn't there have been a Grand Canyon on every continent?
Dialogue: 0,1:03:38.06,1:03:43.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How could we not have Grand Canyons everywhere if this water drained away in this extraordinary
Dialogue: 0,1:03:43.93,1:03:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,short amount of time? Four thousand years? Now when you look at these layers carefully,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:49.67,1:03:57.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you find these beautiful fossils. And when I say beautiful, I am inspired by them. They are remarkable
Dialogue: 0,1:03:57.61,1:04:04.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we are looking at the past. You find down low. You'll find what you might consider
Dialogue: 0,1:04:04.67,1:04:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is, uh, rudimentary sea animals. Up above you'll find the famous trilobytes.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:09.07,1:04:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Above that you might find some clams, some oysters. And above that you find some mammals.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:15.36,1:04:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You never, ever find a higher animal mixed in with a lower one. You never find a lower one
Dialogue: 0,1:04:23.40,1:04:28.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to swim its way to a higher one. If it all happened in such an extraordinary short amount of time,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:28.83,1:04:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if this water drained away just like that, wouldn't we expect to see some turbulence?
Dialogue: 0,1:04:33.78,1:04:42.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And by the way, anyone here, really, if you can find one example of that, one example of that
Dialogue: 0,1:04:42.43,1:04:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anywhere in the world, the scientists of the world challenge you. They would embrace you. You would be a hero.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:49.45,1:04:52.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would change the world if you could find one example of that anywhere.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:52.22,1:04:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People have looked, and looked and looked. They have not found a single one.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:56.40,1:05:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now here's an interesting thing. These are fossil skulls that people have found all around the world.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:07.70,1:05:13.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's by no means representative of all the fossil skulls that have been found, but these are all over the place.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:13.87,1:05:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, if you were to look at these, I can assure you, not any of them is a gorilla. Right?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:22.93,1:05:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If as Mr. Ham and his associates claim, there was just man and then everybody else, there were just
Dialogue: 0,1:05:35.12,1:05:39.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,humans and all other species, where would you put modern humans among these skulls?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:39.17,1:05:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How did all these skulls get all over the earth in these extraordinary fashion? Where would you put us?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:46.95,1:05:52.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can tell you we are on there and I encourage you, when you go home, to look it up.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:52.86,1:06:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, one of the extraordinary claims associated with Mr. Ham's worldview is that this giant boat
Dialogue: 0,1:06:04.86,1:06:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very large wooden ship, went aground safely on a mountain in the Middle, what we now call the Middle East.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:12.29,1:06:19.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so places like Australia are populated then by animals who somehow managed to get
Dialogue: 0,1:06:19.78,1:06:25.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Middle East all the way to Australia in the last 4,000 years.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:25.82,1:06:33.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now that to me, is an extraordinary claim. We would expect then, somewhere between the Middle East
Dialogue: 0,1:06:33.61,1:06:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Australia, we would expect to find evidence of kangaroos. We would expect to find
Dialogue: 0,1:06:37.86,1:06:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some fossils, some bones in the last 4,000 years. Somebody would have been hopping along there
Dialogue: 0,1:06:43.54,1:06:47.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and died along the way, and we'd find them. And furthermore, there's a claim
Dialogue: 0,1:06:47.09,1:06:52.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there was a land bridge that allowed these animals to get from Asia all the way
Dialogue: 0,1:06:52.61,1:06:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the continent of Australia. And that land bridge has disappeared, has disappeared in the last
Dialogue: 0,1:06:58.70,1:07:06.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,4,000 years. No navigator, no diver, no U.S. Navy submarine, no one has ever detected any evidence
Dialogue: 0,1:07:06.37,1:07:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this, let alone any evidence of fossils of kangaroos. So, your expectation is not met.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:13.36,1:07:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't seem to hold up. So, let's see. If there are 4,000 years since Ken Ham's flood
Dialogue: 0,1:07:19.16,1:07:25.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and let's say, as he said many times, there are 7,000 kinds,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:25.78,1:07:34.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,today the very, very lowest estimate is that there are about 8.7 million species.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:34.57,1:07:40.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But a much more reasonable estimate is it's 50 million, or even 100 million,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:40.45,1:07:45.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you start counting the viruses and the bacteria and all the beetles that must be extant
Dialogue: 0,1:07:45.57,1:07:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the tropical rain forests that we haven't found. So we'll take a number which I think is pretty reasonable,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:50.53,1:07:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,16 million species today. If these came from 7,000 kinds,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:53.92,1:08:03.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's say we have 7,000 subtracted from 15 million,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:03.95,1:08:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's 15,993. If 4,000 years, we have 365.25 days a year,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:10.70,1:08:14.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would expect to find 11 new species every day.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:14.37,1:08:20.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you'd go out into your yard, you wouldn't just find a different bird, a new bird
Dialogue: 0,1:08:20.69,1:08:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'd find a different kind of bird, a whole new species, a bird!
Dialogue: 0,1:08:26.22,1:08:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every day, a new species of fish, a new species of organisms you can't see, and so on.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:32.50,1:08:38.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, this would be enormous news. The last 4,000 years people would have seen these changes among us.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:38.61,1:08:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the Cincinnati Enquirer, I imagine, would carry a column right next to the weather report:
Dialogue: 0,1:08:44.06,1:08:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today's New Species, and it would list these 11 every day, but we see no evidence of that.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:51.50,1:08:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no evidence of these species. There simply isn't enough time.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:54.78,1:08:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now as you may know, I was graduated from engineering school and I was,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:58.50,1:09:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got a job at Boeing. I worked on 747s. I, okay everybody relax, I was very well supervised.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:07.19,1:09:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything's fine. There's a tube in the 747 I kind of think of that's my tube.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:13.61,1:09:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that aside, I travelled the highways of Washington state quite a bit.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:18.86,1:09:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a young guy. I had a motorcycle. I used to go mountain climbing in Washington state... Oregon.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:23.12,1:09:32.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can drive along and find these enormous boulders on top of the ground, enormous rocks,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:32.99,1:09:41.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,huge, sitting on top of the ground. Now, out there, in regular academic pursuits, regular geology,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:41.27,1:09:46.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people have discovered that there was, used to be a lake in what is now Montana
Dialogue: 0,1:09:46.78,1:09:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we charmingly refer to as Lake Missoula.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:50.20,1:09:54.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not there now but the evidence for it, of course, if I may, overwhelming.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:54.82,1:10:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, an ice dam would form at Lake Missoula and once in a while it would break.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:01.43,1:10:06.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would build up and break. And there were multiple floods in my old state of Washington state.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:06.93,1:10:13.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, just, before we go on, let me just say, go Seahawks! That was very gratifying, very gratifying for me.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:13.09,1:10:19.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway you drive along the road and there are these rocks. So, if as is asserted at this facility,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:19.89,1:10:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the heavier rocks would sink to the bottom during a flood event,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:24.49,1:10:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the big rocks, and especially their shape, instead of aerodynamic,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:28.78,1:10:33.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hydrodynamic, the water changing shape, as water flows past,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:33.44,1:10:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'd expect them to sink to the bottom. But here are these enormous rocks right on the surface.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:39.11,1:10:42.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's no shortage of them. If you go driving in Washington state or Oregon
Dialogue: 0,1:10:42.99,1:10:50.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are readily available. So how could those be there if the Earth is just 4,000 years old.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:50.17,1:10:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How could they be there if this one flood caused that?
Dialogue: 0,1:10:53.87,1:11:01.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another remarkable thing I'd like everybody to consider, alone inherent in this worldview,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:01.37,1:11:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that somehow Noah and his family were able to build a wooden ship that would house
Dialogue: 0,1:11:10.32,1:11:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,14,000 individuals. There were 7,000 kinds and then, there's a boy and a girl for each one of those,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:18.32,1:11:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so there's about 14,000... 8 people. And these people were unskilled.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:23.17,1:11:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As far as anybody knows they had never built a wooden ship before.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:27.80,1:11:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Furthermore, they had to get all these animals on there. And they had to feed them.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:32.11,1:11:37.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I understand that Mr. Ham has some explanations for that, which I frankly find extraordinary but
Dialogue: 0,1:11:37.20,1:11:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the premise of the bit. And we can then run a test, a scientific test.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:44.44,1:11:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People in the early 1900s built an extraordinary, large wooden ship, the Wyoming.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:51.60,1:11:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a six-masted schooner, the largest one ever built. It had a motor on it for winching cables and stuff.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:59.28,1:12:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this boat had a great difficulty. It was not as big as the Titanic, but it was a very long ship.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:07.60,1:12:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would twist in the sea. It would twist, this way, this way, and this way.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:16.31,1:12:22.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in all that twisting, it leaked. It leaked like crazy. The crew could not keep the ship dry.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:22.59,1:12:30.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And indeed, it eventually foundered and sank, a loss of all 14 hands. So there were 14 crewmen
Dialogue: 0,1:12:31.36,1:12:35.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aboard a ship built by very, very skilled shipwrights in New England.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:35.49,1:12:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These guys were the best in the world at wooden shipbuilding. And they couldn't build
Dialogue: 0,1:12:39.92,1:12:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a boat as big as the Ark is claimed to have been.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:45.12,1:12:51.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that reasonable? Is that possible that the best shipbuilders in the world couldn't do
Dialogue: 0,1:12:51.21,1:12:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what eight unskilled people, men and their wives, were able to do?
Dialogue: 0,1:12:57.94,1:13:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you visit the National Zoo, in Washington D.C., it's 163 acres. And they have 400 species.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:06.60,1:13:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By the way, this picture that you're seeing was taken by spacecraft in space, orbiting the Earth.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:12.66,1:13:17.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you told my grandfather, let alone my father, that we were, that we had that capability,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:17.35,1:13:21.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would have been amazed. That capability comes from our fundamental understanding
Dialogue: 0,1:13:22.02,1:13:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of gravity, of material science, of physics, and life science, where you go looking.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:29.42,1:13:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This place is often, as any zoo, is often deeply concerned and criticized for how it treats its animals.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:36.32,1:13:44.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have 400 species on 163 acres, 66 hectares. Is it reasonable that Noah and his colleagues,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:44.72,1:13:51.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his family, were able to maintain 14,000 animals and themselves, and feed them, aboard a ship
Dialogue: 0,1:13:51.20,1:13:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was bigger than anyone's ever been able to build?
Dialogue: 0,1:13:54.83,1:14:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, here's the thing, what we want in science, science as practiced on the outside,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:03.46,1:14:10.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is an ability to predict. We want to have a natural law that is so obvious and clear,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:10.93,1:14:14.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so well understood that we can make predictions about what will happen.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:15.12,1:14:20.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can predict that we can put a spacecraft in orbit and take a picture of Washington D.C.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:20.75,1:14:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can predict that if we provide this much room for an elephant, it will live healthily
Dialogue: 0,1:14:25.43,1:14:30.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a certain amount of time. I'll give you an example.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:32.98,1:14:38.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the explanation provided by traditional science, of how we came to be,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:38.90,1:14:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we find as Mr. Ham alluded to many times in his recent remarks,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:43.98,1:14:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we find a sequence of animals in what, generally, is called "the fossil record."
Dialogue: 0,1:14:49.48,1:14:53.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This would be to say when we look at the layers, that you would find in Kentucky,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:53.20,1:14:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you look at them carefully, you find a sequence of animals, a succession.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:58.79,1:15:01.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as one might expect, when you are looking at old records
Dialogue: 0,1:15:01.77,1:15:05.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's some pieces seem to be missing, a gap.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:05.46,1:15:09.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So scientists got to thinking about this.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:09.29,1:15:14.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are lungfish that jump from pond to pond in Florida
Dialogue: 0,1:15:14.53,1:15:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and end up in people's swimming pools.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:16.08,1:15:20.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are amphibians, frogs and toads, croaking and carrying on.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:20.11,1:15:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so people wondered if there wasn't a fossil or an organism,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:26.16,1:15:29.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an animal, that had lived, that had characteristics of both.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:29.11,1:15:33.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People over the years had found that in Canada,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:33.07,1:15:36.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was clearly a fossil marsh--
Dialogue: 0,1:15:36.53,1:15:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a place that used to be a swamp that had dried out.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:39.52,1:15:44.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they found all kinds of happy swamp fossils there:
Dialogue: 0,1:15:44.45,1:15:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ferns, organisms, animals, fish that were recognized.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:48.61,1:15:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people realized that if this, with the age of the rocks there,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:52.28,1:15:58.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as computed by traditional scientists, with the age of the rocks there,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:58.77,1:16:01.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this would be a reasonable place to look for an animal,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:01.55,1:16:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a fossil of an animal that lived there. And, indeed, scientists found it.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:06.94,1:16:10.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tiktaalik, this fish-lizard guy.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:10.86,1:16:16.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they found several specimens, it wasn't one individual.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:16.25,1:16:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, they made a prediction, that this animal
Dialogue: 0,1:16:19.20,1:16:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be found and it was found. So far, Mr. Ham and his worldview,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:26.23,1:16:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Ken Ham creation model, does not have this capability.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:29.89,1:16:33.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It cannot make predictions and show results.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:33.97,1:16:38.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's an extraordinary one that I find remarkable.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:38.47,1:16:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are certain fish, the Topminnows, that have
Dialogue: 0,1:16:45.48,1:16:51.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the remarkable ability to have sex with other fish,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:51.02,1:16:55.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,traditional fish sex, and they can have sex with themselves.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:55.99,1:16:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, one of the old questions in life science, everybody,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:59.50,1:17:04.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the old chin strokers is why does any organism,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:04.15,1:17:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether you're an ash tree, a sea jelly, a squid, a marmot,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:12.64,1:17:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why does anybody have sex? I mean, there are more bacteria
Dialogue: 0,1:17:17.14,1:17:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in your tummy right now then there are humans on Earth.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:21.40,1:17:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And bacteria, they don't bother with that, man.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:23.70,1:17:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They split themselves in half, they get new bacteria!
Dialogue: 0,1:17:26.15,1:17:30.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, let's get her done! Let's go. But why does any--
Dialogue: 0,1:17:30.17,1:17:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think of all the trouble a rose bush goes to make a flower and the thorns
Dialogue: 0,1:17:33.80,1:17:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the bees flying around, interacting--why does anybody bother with all that?
Dialogue: 0,1:17:41.53,1:17:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the answer seems to be...your enemies.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:45.06,1:17:52.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And your enemies are not lions and tigers and bears...oh my!
Dialogue: 0,1:17:52.18,1:17:55.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, your enemies are germs and parasites.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:55.67,1:17:59.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what's gonna get you. Germs and parasites.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:59.05,1:18:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My first cousin's son died tragically from essentially the flu.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:06.12,1:18:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not some story I heard about. This is my first cousin, once removed.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:08.68,1:18:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because, apparently, the virus had the right genes to attack his genes.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:13.68,1:18:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when you have sex you have a new set of genes.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:16.93,1:18:20.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have a new mixture. So people studied these Topminnows.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:20.62,1:18:25.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they found that the ones who reproduced sexually
Dialogue: 0,1:18:25.05,1:18:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had fewer parasites that the ones who reproduced on their own.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:29.76,1:18:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This Black Spot disease--wait, wait, there's more.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:32.72,1:18:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In these populations, with flooding and so on, when river ponds get isolated,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:38.13,1:18:40.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then they dry up, then the river flows again.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:40.63,1:18:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In between, some of the fish will have sex with other fish,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:45.50,1:18:49.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes, and they'll have sex on their own, what's called asexually.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:49.56,1:18:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And those fish, the ones that are in between, sometimes this,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:53.26,1:18:57.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes that, they have an intermediate number of infections.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:57.03,1:19:02.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, the explanation provided by evolution made a prediction.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:02.67,1:19:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the prediction's extraordinary and subtle, but there it is.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:06.52,1:19:08.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How else would you explain it?
Dialogue: 0,1:19:08.100,1:19:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to Mr. Ham and his followers I say this is something we in science want.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:14.50,1:19:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want the ability to predict. And your assertion
Dialogue: 0,1:19:18.08,1:19:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's some difference between the natural laws
Dialogue: 0,1:19:21.79,1:19:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I use to observe the world today and the natural laws
Dialogue: 0,1:19:24.58,1:19:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that existed 4,000 years ago is extraordinary and unsettling.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:31.31,1:19:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I travel around. I have a great many family members
Dialogue: 0,1:19:35.15,1:19:39.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Danville, Virginia, one of the U.S's most livable cities.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:39.98,1:19:46.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's lovely. And I was driving along and there was a sign in front of a church:
Dialogue: 0,1:19:46.65,1:19:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Big Bang theory? You got to be kidding me. God."
Dialogue: 0,1:19:50.92,1:19:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, everybody, why would someone at the church, a pastor for example,
Dialogue: 0,1:19:56.27,1:20:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put that sign up unless he or she didn't believe
Dialogue: 0,1:20:03.12,1:20:06.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the big bang was a real thing? I just want to review,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:06.76,1:20:09.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,briefly, with everybody why we accept,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:09.97,1:20:13.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the outside world, why we accept the Big Bang.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:15.16,1:20:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edwin Hubble, sorry, there you go,you gotta be kidding me God.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:23.03,1:20:28.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edwin Hubble was sitting at Mount Wilson, which is up from Pasadena, California.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:28.99,1:20:33.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On a clear day you can look down and see where the Rose Parade goes.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:33.20,1:20:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's that close to civilization.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:34.87,1:20:40.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But even in the early 1900's, the people who selected this site for astronomy
Dialogue: 0,1:20:40.53,1:20:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,picked an excellent site. The clouds and smog are below you.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:46.08,1:20:51.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Edwin Hubble sat there at this very big telescope night after night studying the heavens.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:51.66,1:20:58.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he found that the stars are moving apart. The stars are moving apart.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:58.82,1:21:07.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he wasn't sure why. But it was clear that the stars are moving farther and farther apart all the time.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:07.95,1:21:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So people talked about it for a couple decades.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:11.94,1:21:15.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then eventually another astronomer, almost a couple decades, another astronomer
Dialogue: 0,1:21:15.52,1:21:20.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fred Hoyle just remarked, "Well, it was like there was a big bang.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:20.15,1:21:25.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was an explosion. This is to say; since everything's moving apart,
Dialogue: 0,1:21:25.01,1:21:28.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's very reasonable that at one time they were all together.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:28.22,1:21:32.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's a place from whence, or rather whence, these things expanded."
Dialogue: 0,1:21:32.86,1:21:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was a remarkable insight.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:35.07,1:21:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But people went still questioning it for decades.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:38.30,1:21:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scientists, conventional scientists, questioning it for decades.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:44.13,1:21:51.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These two researchers wanted to listen for radio signals from space--radio astronomy.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:51.20,1:21:57.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is while we have visible light for our eyes, there is a whole other bunch of waves of light
Dialogue: 0,1:21:57.80,1:22:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are much longer. The microwaves in your oven are about that long.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:01.29,1:22:08.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The radar at the airport is about that long. Your FM radio signals about like this.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:08.66,1:22:14.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM radio signals are a kilometer--they're a couple, several soccer fields.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:14.35,1:22:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They went out listening. And there was this hiss, this hisssssss, all the time
Dialogue: 0,1:22:20.81,1:22:25.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that wouldn't go away. And they thought "Oh! Doggone it. There's some loose
Dialogue: 0,1:22:25.06,1:22:29.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connector." They plugged in the connector. They rescrewed it. They made it tight.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:29.62,1:22:31.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They turned it this way. The hiss was still there.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:31.54,1:22:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They turned it that way. It was still there.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:33.63,1:22:38.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They thought it was pigeon droppings that had affected the reception of this "horn" it's called.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:38.64,1:22:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This thing is still there. It's in Basking Ridge, New Jersey.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:42.20,1:22:48.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a national historic site. And Arno Pinzius and Robert Wilson had found
Dialogue: 0,1:22:48.85,1:22:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this cosmic background sound that was predicted by astronomers.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:54.71,1:22:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Astronomers running the numbers, doing math, predicted
Dialogue: 0,1:22:59.72,1:23:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in the cosmos would be left over this echo,
Dialogue: 0,1:23:02.82,1:23:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this energy, from the Big Bang that would be detectable.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:07.12,1:23:13.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they detected it. We built the Cosmic Observatory for Background Emissions, the COBE spacecraft,
Dialogue: 0,1:23:13.22,1:23:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it matched exactly, exactly the astronomers predictions.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:19.51,1:23:22.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You gotta respect that. It's a wonderful thing.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:22.47,1:23:29.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, along that line is some interest in the age of the earth.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:29.79,1:23:35.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now, it's generally agreed that the Big Bang happened 13.7 billion years ago.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:35.25,1:23:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we can do on earth. These elements that we all know on the Periodic Table of Chemicals,
Dialogue: 0,1:23:42.24,1:23:47.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even ones we don't know, were created when stars explode.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:47.13,1:23:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I look like nobody. But I attended a lecture by Hans Betta who won a Nobel
Dialogue: 0,1:23:52.38,1:23:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Prize for discovering the process by which stars create all these elements.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:56.32,1:24:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The one that interests me especially is our good friends Rubidium and Strontium.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:01.98,1:24:07.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rubidium becomes Strontium spontaneously. It's an interesting thing to me.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:07.20,1:24:11.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A neutron becomes a proton. And it goes up the Periodic Table.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:11.95,1:24:15.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When lava comes out of the ground, molten lava,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:15.45,1:24:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it freezes, turns to rock, when the melt solidifies,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:18.96,1:24:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or crystalizes, it locks the Rubidium and Strontium in place.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:23.21,1:24:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so by careful assay, by careful, by being diligent, you can tell when the rock froze.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:30.78,1:24:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can tell how old the Rubidium and Strontium are. And you can get an age for the earth.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:36.79,1:24:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When that stuff falls on fossils, you can get a very good idea of how old the fossils are.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:43.31,1:24:46.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I encourage you all to go to Nebraska, go to Ashfall State Park
Dialogue: 0,1:24:46.45,1:24:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see the astonishing fossils. It looks like a Hollywood movie.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:52.36,1:24:56.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are rhinoceroses. There are three-toed horses in Nebraska.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:56.100,1:25:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None of those animals are extant today. And they are buried, catastrophically, by a
Dialogue: 0,1:25:02.78,1:25:06.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,volcano in what is now Idaho. Is now Yellowstone National Park.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:06.42,1:25:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is called the hot spot. People call it the super-volcano.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:08.94,1:25:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's the remarkable thing. Apparently, as I can tell you, as a Northwesterner around
Dialogue: 0,1:25:13.44,1:25:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Mount St. Helen's. For full disclosure I'm on the Mount St. Helen's Board.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:16.99,1:25:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it (explosive sound), when it goes off it gives out a great deal of gas
Dialogue: 0,1:25:21.25,1:25:25.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's toxic and knock these animals out. Looking for relief, they go to a watering
Dialogue: 0,1:25:25.19,1:25:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hole. And then when the ash comes they were all buried. It's an extraordinary place.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:28.72,1:25:37.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now if in the bad old days, you had heart problems, they would right away cut you open.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:37.18,1:25:43.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, we use a drug based on Rubidium to look at the inside of your heart without cutting you open.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:43.65,1:25:52.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, my Kentucky friends, I want you to consider this. Right now, there is no place
Dialogue: 0,1:25:52.71,1:25:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Commonwealth of Kentucky to get a degree in this kind of nuclear medicine--
Dialogue: 0,1:25:57.72,1:26:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this kind of drugs associated with that.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:01.04,1:26:04.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hope you find that troubling. I hope you're concerned about that.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:04.77,1:26:10.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want scientifically literate students in your commonwealth for a better tomorrow for everybody.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:10.100,1:26:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can, you can't get this here. You have to go out of state.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:16.68,1:26:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now as far as the distance to stars. Understand this is very well understood.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:22.56,1:26:27.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We, it's February. We look at a star in February. We measure an angle to it.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:27.62,1:26:32.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We wait six months. We look at that same star again and we measure that angle.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:32.04,1:26:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the same way carpenters built this building. It's the same way surveyors surveyed the land that we're standing on.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:37.66,1:26:42.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so by measuring the distance to a star, you can figure out how far away it is, that star,
Dialogue: 0,1:26:42.59,1:26:46.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the stars beyond it, and the stars beyond that. There are billions of stars.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:46.27,1:26:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Billions of stars more than six thousand light years from here.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:51.08,1:26:55.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A light year is a unit of distance, not a unit of time.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:55.86,1:27:02.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are billions of stars. Mr. Hamm, how could there be billions of stars more distant
Dialogue: 0,1:27:02.29,1:27:05.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than six thousand years, if the world's only six thousand years old?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:05.99,1:27:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an extraordinary claim. There's another astronomer, Adolphe Quetele, who remarked first
Dialogue: 0,1:27:12.64,1:27:24.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the reasonable man. Is it reasonable that we have ice older by a factor of a hundred than you claim the earth is?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:24.82,1:27:27.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have trees that have more tree rings than the earth is old.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:27.89,1:27:33.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have rocks with Rubidium and Strontium, and Uranium-Uranium, and Potassium-Argon dating
Dialogue: 0,1:27:33.74,1:27:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are far, far, far older than you claim the earth is.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:37.90,1:27:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Could anybody have built an ark that would sustain the better than any ark anybody was able to build on the earth?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:43.85,1:27:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if you're asking me, and I got the impression you were,
Dialogue: 0,1:27:49.90,1:27:55.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is Ken Hamm's creation model viable? I say "No! Absolutely not!"
Dialogue: 0,1:27:55.22,1:28:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, one last thing. You may not know that in the US Constitution, from the founding fathers,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:02.40,1:28:06.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the sentence "to promote the progress of science and useful arts..."
Dialogue: 0,1:28:06.85,1:28:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kentucky voters, voters who might be watching on line,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:12.92,1:28:17.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in places like Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Kansas, please
Dialogue: 0,1:28:17.25,1:28:20.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't want to raise a generation of science students
Dialogue: 0,1:28:20.72,1:28:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who don't understand how we know our place in the cosmos,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:24.58,1:28:27.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our place in space, who don't understand natural law.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:27.47,1:28:30.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to innovate to keep the United States where it is in the world.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:32.55,1:28:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much. (applause)
Dialogue: 0,1:28:49.48,1:28:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moderator: That's a lot to take in. I hope everybody's holding up well.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:53.36,1:28:56.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a lot of information. What we're going to have now is a five minute
Dialogue: 0,1:28:56.97,1:29:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rebuttal time for each gentleman to address the other one's comments.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:00.44,1:29:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then there will be a five minute counter rebuttal after that.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:04.40,1:29:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Things are going to start moving a little more quickly now.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:07.36,1:29:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So at this point in particular, I want to make sure we don't have applauding or anything else going on that slows it down.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:12.05,1:29:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, Mr. Hamm, if you'd like to begin with your five minute rebuttal first.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:25.14,1:29:29.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Hamm: First of all, Bill, if I was to answer all the points that you brought up,
Dialogue: 0,1:29:31.57,1:29:34.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the moderator would think that I was going on for millions of years. (laughter)
Dialogue: 0,1:29:34.69,1:29:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I can only deal with some of them.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:37.64,1:29:40.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you mentioned the age of the earth a couple of times, so let me deal with that.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:40.73,1:29:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said in my presentation, you can't observe the age of the earth. I would say that comes under what we call historical origin science.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:49.36,1:29:53.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, just so you understand where I'm coming from.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:53.05,1:29:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, we admit we build our origins from historical science on the Bible.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:58.12,1:30:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Bible says God created in six days. A Hebrew word "yon" as it's used in Genesis 1
Dialogue: 0,1:30:03.60,1:30:07.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with evening/morning number means an ordinary day. Adam was made on day six.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:07.33,1:30:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, when you add up all those geneologies specifically given in the Bible
Dialogue: 0,1:30:11.08,1:30:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Adam to Abraham you've got 2,000 years; from Abraham to Christ 2,000 years; from Christ to the present 2,000 years.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:21.12,1:30:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how we get 6,000 years. So that's where it comes from. Just so you know.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:25.40,1:30:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now a lot of people say. Now, by the way, the earth's age is 4.5 billion years old.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:31.06,1:30:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have radioactive decay dating methods that found that.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:35.75,1:30:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you see, we certainly observe radioactive decay
Dialogue: 0,1:30:39.45,1:30:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's rubidium-strontium, whether it's uranium-lead, potassium-argon
Dialogue: 0,1:30:43.38,1:30:47.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when you're talking about the past, we have a problem.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:47.15,1:30:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll give you a practical example. In Australia, there were engineers
Dialogue: 0,1:30:50.96,1:30:54.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were trying to search out about a coal mine.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:54.86,1:30:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so they drilled down and they found a basalt layer, a lava flow that had woody material in it--
Dialogue: 0,1:30:59.35,1:31:06.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,branches and twigs and so on. And when Dr. Andrew Snelling, our PhD geologist,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:06.23,1:31:08.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sent that to a lab in Massachusetts in 1994, they used potassium-argon
Dialogue: 0,1:31:08.77,1:31:11.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dating and dated it at 45 million years old.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:11.26,1:31:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, he also sent the wood to the radio-carbon section of the same lab
Dialogue: 0,1:31:15.46,1:31:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that dated at 45,000 years old. 45,000 year old wood in 45 million year old rock.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:20.75,1:31:23.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The point is there's a problem.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:23.18,1:31:25.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me give you another example of a problem.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:25.69,1:31:30.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a lava dome that started to form in the 80's after Mt. St. Helen's erupted.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:30.14,1:31:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in 1994 Dr. Steve Austin, another PhD geologist, actually sampled the rock there.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:35.83,1:31:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He took whole rock, crushed it, sent it to the same lab actually, I believe, and got a date of .35 million years.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:45.87,1:31:50.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When he separated out the minerals amphibole and pyroxene and used potassium-argon dating,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:50.95,1:31:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he got .9 million and 2.8 million. My point is all these dating methods actually give all sorts of different dates.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:57.72,1:32:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, different dating methods on the same rock, we can show, give all sorts of different dates.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:02.66,1:32:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See there's lots of assumptions in regard to radioactive dating.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:05.36,1:32:10.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Number one, for instance, the amounts of the parent and daughter isotopes at the beginning when the rock formed.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:10.61,1:32:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to know them. But you weren't there. See that's historical science.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:13.33,1:32:20.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Assumption 2 that all daughter atoms measured today must have only been derived in situ radioactive decay of parent atoms.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:20.63,1:32:21.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words it's a closed system.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:21.95,1:32:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you don't know that. And there's a lot of evidence that that's not so.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:24.81,1:32:29.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Assumption #3 that the decay rates have remained a constant.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:29.62,1:32:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now they're just some of them. There's others as well.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:32.12,1:32:34.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The point is there's lots of assumptions in regard to the dating methods.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:34.53,1:32:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's no dating method you can use that you can absolutely age date a rock.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:39.50,1:32:42.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's all sorts of differences out there.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:42.63,1:32:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I do want to address the bit you brought up about Christians believing in millions of years.