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[BRUCE NAUMAN: TEACHERS & ARTISTS]

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I’d worked with people around here with horses,

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but they didn’t really understand how to explain things very well.

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So the first person I worked with

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that changed my whole understanding of working with horses

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was a man named Ray Hunt.

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He is just an old cowboy,

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and so cowboys trust him.

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But he can outride them all and do it in such a wonderful way.

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He taught me to pay attention to the horses

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and gave me some tools, of course, to do that.

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He was a teacher that really didn’t tell you how to do much,

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he just made you pay attention.

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And when you met him,

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you knew you couldn’t fool him.

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[LAUGHS]

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He knew what you knew.

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In riding horses, for instance,

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you can get around bad spots all the time,

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and the horse will put up with it.

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And then sometimes they won’t

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and then you end up in the dirt.

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But Ray could always go right to the spot

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that you didn’t even want to have to hear about.

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And a good teacher can always do that.

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And if you want to learn it, that’s what you have to do.

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A good teacher is like a good artist.

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They go right to the most difficult part of whatever's going on--

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the painting or the sculpture--

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and goes right to that spot.

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["Model" (1998)]

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I knew how to do that in my work, or hoped I did,

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and I didn’t know how to do that with horses.

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I didn’t see the connection.

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When I was in school, when Thiebaud was teaching and I was his teaching assistant--

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and that’s what Wayne did,

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he taught people how to pay attention.

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That's what I saw in him,

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was that he showed you how to pay attention to what you were doing--

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what was out there.

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And that's...I think it’s a rare, rare thing, you know.