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Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.67,0:00:09.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}RC3 preroll music{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.67,0:00:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Welcome back on the channel, of\NChaos zone TV. Now we have an English
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.60,0:00:23.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speaking contribution. And for that, I\Nwelcome pandemonium, who is a historian
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.93,0:00:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and documentary film maker, and therefore\Nwe will also not have a normal talk, but
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.29,0:00:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will see the documentary information.\NWhat are they looking at? A documentary on
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.90,0:00:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,privacy. And afterwards, we can all talk\Nabout the film, so feel free to post your
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.50,0:00:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions and we can discuss them. Let's\Nenjoy the film.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.74,0:01:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}film started{\i0}\N[Filler please remove in amara]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.15,0:01:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---Because the great promise of the\Ninternet is freedom. Freedom of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.06,0:01:07.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,expression, freedom of organization,\Nfreedom of assembly. These are really seen
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.78,0:01:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as underpinning rights of what we see as\Ndemocratic values.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.35,0:01:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---Just because you have safety does not\Nmean that you cannot have freedom. Just
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.33,0:01:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you have freedom does not mean you\Ncannot have safety.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.33,0:01:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---Why is the reaction to doubt it rather\Nthan to assume that it's true and act
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.10,0:01:27.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accordingly?\N---We need to be able to break those laws
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.89,0:01:29.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are unjust.\N---Privacy is an essence, becoming a de
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.61,0:01:30.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facto crime. That is somehow you are\Nhiding something.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.61,0:01:31.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---So just to be sure let's have no\Nprivacy.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.61,0:01:32.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Information, what are they looking at? A\Nfilm by Theresia Reinhold.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.61,0:01:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The Internet is [...] everywhere, but we\Nonly see it in the glimpses. The internet
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.62,0:02:16.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is like the wholy ghost: it makes itself\Nknowable to us by taking possession of the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.51,0:02:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pixels on our screens to manifest sites\Nand apps and email, but its essence is
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.51,0:02:18.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always elsewhere.\N---Before the Internet came about,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.51,0:02:25.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communication was generally one editor to\Nmany, many readers. But now it's peer to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.19,0:02:30.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,peer. So, you know, at a touch of a button\Npeople have an opportunity to reach
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.90,0:02:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,millions of people. That's revolutionizing\Nthe way we communicate.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.00,0:02:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---One of the things that Facebook and to\Na lesser degree Twitter allowed people to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.28,0:02:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do is be able to see that they weren't\Nalone. And it was able to create a
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.80,0:02:49.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,critical mass. And I think that's a very\Nimportant role that social media took on.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.53,0:02:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was able to show people a very easy way\Nin people's Facebook feeds: "Oh, wow. Look
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.24,0:02:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at Tahrir Square, there's people out there\Nin Bahrain, in Pearl Square." What people
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.21,0:03:02.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could feel before walking out their door\Ninto real life action, that they could see
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.10,0:03:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they are not isolated in their desire\Nfor some sort of change.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.22,0:03:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---The great promise of the internet is\Nfreedom where the minds without fear and
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.44,0:03:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the head is held high. And the knowledge\Nis free. Because the promise was: This
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.34,0:03:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be the great equalizer.\N---Before the social web, before the Web
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.40,0:03:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2.0, anything you were doing was kind of\Nanonymous. By the very concept of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.28,0:03:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anonymity you were able to discuss things\Nthat would probably be not according to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.72,0:03:42.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dominance themes or the dominant trends of\Nvalues of your own society.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.03,0:03:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---I don't find this discussion about how\Nto deal with the assertion "I have nothing
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.55,0:03:59.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to hide" boring, even after many years.\NBecause this sentence is very short, but
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.85,0:04:07.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very perfidious. The speaker, who hurls\Nthe sentence "I have nothing to hide" at
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.10,0:04:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me, not only says something about\Nthemselves, but also something about me.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.14,0:04:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because this sentence "I have nothing to\Nhide" also has the unspoken component of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.64,0:04:26.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You don't either, do you?" In this\Nrespect, I think this sentence lacks
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.93,0:04:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solidarity, because at the same time one\Ndoes not want to work to ensure that the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.16,0:04:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other, who perhaps has something to hide,\Nis able to do so.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.70,0:04:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---One of the things about privacy is that\Nit's not always about you. It's about the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.74,0:04:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people in our networks. And so, for\Nexample, I have a lot of friends who are
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.62,0:04:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Syria. People that I have met in\Nother places in the world, not necessary
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.18,0:04:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,refugees. People who lived abroad for a\Nwhile, but those people are at risk all
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.36,0:04:56.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time. Both in their home country and\Noften in their host countries as well. And
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.02,0:05:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, I might say that I have nothing to\Nhide. I might say that there's no reason
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.68,0:05:04.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I need to keep myself safe. But if\Nyou've got any more like that in a
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.98,0:05:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,network, any activists, any people from\Ncountries like that, it's thinking about
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.78,0:05:14.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,privacy and thinking about security means\Nthinking about keeping those people safe,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.97,0:05:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,too.\NPrivacy is important, because if think of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.76,0:05:23.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the alternative, if everything is public,\Nif the norm is public, then anything that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.69,0:05:29.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you want to keep to yourself has an\Nassociation or guild attached. And that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.47,0:05:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should not be the world that we create.\NThat's a chilling effect. It's a chilling
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.80,0:05:37.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,effect on our freedoms. It's a chilling\Neffect on democracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.98,0:05:41.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No one shall be subjected to arbitrary\Ninterference with this privacy, family,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.45,0:05:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,home or correspondence, for the attacks\Nupon his honor and reputation. Everyone
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.92,0:05:48.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has the right to the protection of the law\Nagainst such interference or attacks.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.97,0:05:55.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---To me, human rights are something which\Nhas been put to place to guarantee the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.61,0:06:00.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,freedoms of every single person in the\Nworld. They're supposed to be universal,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.37,0:06:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,indivisible. Having in the eyes of this\Nsystems.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.71,0:06:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---They're collecting data and metadata\Nabout hundreds of thousands, millions of
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.94,0:06:14.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people. And some of that data will never\Nbe looked at. That's a fact. We know that.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.67,0:06:19.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But at the same time, assuming that just\Nbecause you're not involved in activism or
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.71,0:06:24.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're not well known that you're not\Ngoing to be a target at some point, I
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.14,0:06:28.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think, that is what can be really harmful\Nto us. Right now you may not be under any
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.68,0:06:33.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,threat at all, but your friends might be,\Nyour family might be or you might be in
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.58,0:06:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the future. And so that's why we need to\Nthink about it this way, not because we're
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.08,0:06:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to be snatched out of our homes in\Nthe middle of the night now. But because
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.40,0:06:45.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this data and this metadata lasts for a\Nlong time.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.51,0:06:53.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---My observation is what we are\Nexperiencing right now is that the private
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.93,0:07:05.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space that should be and remain private in\Nthe digital world is slowly beginning to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.78,0:07:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,erode. It is becoming permeable, and not\Njust factual. Factually, of course, but
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.25,0:07:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only factually, but also in\Nperception. I imagine the digital world as
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.70,0:07:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a panoptical. This is the ring-shaped\Nbuilding designed by Jeremy Benthem. In
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.50,0:07:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ring the prisoners are accommodated in\Nthe individual cell, and in the middle
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.12,0:07:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a watchtower. And there is a\Nguard sitting there. And this guard, who
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.96,0:07:57.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can observe and supervise the prisoners in\Nthe cells around him all the time. The
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.86,0:08:04.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trick is that the prisoners cannot know if\Nthey are being watched. They only see the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.79,0:08:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tower, but they don't see the warden. But\Nthey know very well that they could be
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.62,0:08:16.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watched permanently at any time. And this\Nfact exerts a changing decisive effect.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.36,0:08:24.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---I think surveillance is a technology of\Ngovernmentality. It's a bio political
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.23,0:08:30.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology. It's there to control and\Nmanage populations. It's really propelled
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.79,0:08:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by state power and the power of entities\Nthat are glued in that cohere around the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.28,0:08:45.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state, right? So it is there as a form of\Npopulation management and control. So you
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.78,0:08:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to convince people that it's in their\Ninterest and its like: Every man for
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.28,0:08:55.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,himself and everyone is out to get\Neveryone.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.95,0:09:12.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}relaying music is plays{\i0}\N[Filler please remove in amara]
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.87,0:09:21.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---I take my cue from a former general\Ncounsel of the NSA, Suart Baker, who said
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.43,0:09:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this question: Meta-Data absolutely\Ntells you everything about somebodies
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.24,0:09:31.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,life. If you have enough Meta-Data you\Ndon't really need content. It is sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.99,0:09:35.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,embarrassing, how predictable we are as\Nhuman beings.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.37,0:09:41.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---So let's say that you make a phone one\Nnight, you call up a suicide hotline, for
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.30,0:09:46.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example, you're feeling down, you call\Nthat hotline and then a few hours later
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.49,0:09:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you call a friend. A few hours later\Nyou call a doctor, you send an email and
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.38,0:09:57.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so on so forth. Now, the contents of that\Nof those calls and those e-mails are not
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.69,0:10:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,necessarily collected. What's being\Ncollected is the time of the call and the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.15,0:10:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,place that you called. And so sometimes in\Nevents like that, those different pieces
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.80,0:10:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of metadata can be linked together to\Nprofile someone.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.16,0:10:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---David's description of what you can do\Nwith metadata, and quoting a mutual friend
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.92,0:10:21.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stewart Baker, is absolutely correct. We\Nkill people based on Meta-Data. But that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.43,0:10:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not what we do with this Meta-Data.\NMayor Denett: Thankfully. Wow, I was
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.56,0:10:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working up a sweat there {\i1}Mayor laughs{\i0}\Nfor a second.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.76,0:10:37.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---You know, the impetus for governments\Nfor conducting this kind of surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.84,0:10:42.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is often at least in rhetoric go to after\Nterrorists. And obviously, we don't want
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.95,0:10:48.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terrorism. And so that justification\Nresonates with most of the public. But I
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.43,0:10:52.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think that there's a couple problems with\Nit. The first is that they haven't
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.02,0:10:55.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,demonstrated to us that surveillance\Nactually works in stopping terrorist
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.93,0:11:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attacks. We haven't seen it work yet. It\Ndidn't work in Paris. It didn't work in
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.83,0:11:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boston. t didn't work elsewhere. So that's\None part of it. But then I think the other
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.17,0:11:10.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of it is that we spend billions of\Ndollars on surveillance and on war, but
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.39,0:11:13.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spend very little money on addressing the\Nroot causes of terrorism.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.28,0:11:17.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---I consider this debate security versus\Nfreedom to be a bugaboo. Because these
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.74,0:11:22.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,values are not mutually exclusive. I'm not\Nbuying into this propaganda anymore. Many
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.21,0:11:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the measures we have endured in the\Nlast ten years have not led to more
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.74,0:11:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,security, in terms of state-imposed\Nsurveillance. And this is one reason why I
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.18,0:11:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't want to continue this debate about\Nwhether we should sacrifice freedom for
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.48,0:11:47.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more security.\N---I think power is concealed in the whole
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.38,0:11:53.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discourse around surveillance, and the way\Nits concealed is through this
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.13,0:12:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,legitimization that it's in your interest\Nthat it keeps you safe. But there have
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.71,0:12:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been many instances where citizens groups\Nhave actually fought against that kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.47,0:12:11.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance. And I think there is also\Nsort of a mystique around {\i1}music starts{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.45,0:12:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the technology of surveillance. There is\Nthe whole sort of like this notion that,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.69,0:12:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ah, because it's a technology and it's\Ndesigned to do this. It's actually
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.28,0:12:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working. But all of this is a concealment\Nof power relations because who can surveil
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.59,0:12:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who? Is the issue, right?\N---But it isn't the majority of the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.72,0:12:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,English population here to get stopped and\Nsearched. It's non-white people. It is not
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.19,0:12:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the majority of non-white people who get\Napproached to inform on the community.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.52,0:12:47.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's Muslim communities.\N---The surveillance that one does on the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.65,0:12:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other. So as airport, it's the other\Npassengers that say, oh, so-and-so is
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.54,0:13:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speaking in Arabic. And therefore, that\Nperson becomes the subject, the target
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.24,0:13:08.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that hyper-surveillance. So it's the kind\Nof surveillances that are being exercised
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.38,0:13:15.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by each of us on the other. Because of\Nthis culture of fear that has been
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.81,0:13:23.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nourished on a way and that's mushrooming\Nall around us. And these are fears, I
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.43,0:13:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think, go anywhere from the most concrete\Nto the most vague.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.60,0:13:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---In this way, I think this is another\Nway of creating a semblance of control
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.68,0:13:38.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where this identity is very easily\Nvisible. It's very easily targeted and
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.20,0:13:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's very easily defined.\N---For me, this political discussion is
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.62,0:13:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,purely based on fear in which the fear of\Npeople, which is justified, are exploited.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.64,0:13:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And where racist stereotypes are being\Nrepeated. I think it extremely dangerous
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.75,0:14:08.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to give in to this more and more, also\Nbecause I believe that it reinforces
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.09,0:14:13.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,negative instincts in people. Exclusion,\Nbut also racial profiling.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.27,0:14:17.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kurz: It's inherently disentranchising,\Nit's disempowering and it's isolating.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.53,0:14:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you feel you're being treated as a\Ndifferent person to the rest of the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.99,0:14:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,population, that's when measures like\Nsurveillance, things that are enabled by
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.22,0:14:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology really hit home. And cause you\Nto sort of change that way you feel as a
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.71,0:14:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,subject. Because at the end of the day,\Nyou are subjective of a government.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.16,0:14:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---How is it that these mass surveillance\Nprograms have been kept secret for years
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.73,0:14:52.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they are supposed to be so meaningful\Nand effective? Why didn't anyone publicly
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.22,0:14:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,justify it? Then why was it all secretly\Njustified by secret courts with secret
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.71,0:15:02.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,court rulings? Why, after the Snowden\Npublications began, did the Commission of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.41,0:15:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intelligent Agents, which specifically\Nappointed Obama com to the conclusion that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.53,0:15:14.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not a single --zero --- of this cases of\Nterror or attempted terrorist attacks has
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.55,0:15:20.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been partially resolved by these giant\Ntelecommunications metadata? In trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.01,0:15:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stop something from happening before it\Nhappens, they can put in a measure and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.03,0:15:30.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that thing might not happen. But they\Ndon't know it that measure stopped that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.63,0:15:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing from happening, because that thing\Nnever happened. It's hard to measure. You
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.96,0:15:38.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can't measure it. And you can't say with\Ncertainty thst because of this measure
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.69,0:15:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that didn't happen. But after 9/11,\Nafter the catastrophic level of attack, it
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.24,0:15:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put decision makers into this impossible\Nposition where citizens where scared. They
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.62,0:16:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,needed to do something. One part of that\Nis trying to screen everybody objectively
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.21,0:16:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have that sort of panoptical\Nsurveillance. Saying that: "No, no. We can
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.22,0:16:13.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see everything. Don't worry. We have the\Nhaystack. We just need to find the needle.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.71,0:16:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then obviously, they need ways to\Ntarget that. You can see it most clearly
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.67,0:16:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over here. You got leaflets through your\Ndoor a few years ago, basically saying
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.93,0:16:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if you've seen anything suspicious,\Ncall this hotline. It listed things like
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.07,0:16:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the neighbor who goes away on holiday many\Ntimes a year or, another neighbor whose
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.22,0:16:44.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,curtains are always drawn. It just changes\Nthe way you look at society and you look
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.46,0:16:51.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at yourself. And it shifts the presumption\Nof Innocence to a presumption of guilt
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.43,0:16:55.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already.\N---When is someone a potential suicide
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.77,0:17:07.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bomber? This is where the problem begins.\NWhen they wear an explosive belt and holds
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.91,0:17:17.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the tiger in their hands? Or when they\Norder the building blocks for an explosive
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.31,0:17:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,belt online? Or when they informed\Nthemselves about how to build an explosive
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.36,0:17:38.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vest? When can the state legally\Nintervene? For me it is about the central
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.25,0:17:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very problematic question whether someone\Nwho very problematic question whether
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.60,0:17:55.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone who has been identified as a\Npotential danger or a potential terrorist,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.15,0:18:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without being a terrorist, if someone like\Nthat can then be legally surveilled or
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.25,0:18:14.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even arrested? That means if certain\Npeople by potentially posing a concrete
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.52,0:18:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,danger ot society can be stripped of,\Ntheir fundamental human rights?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.43,0:18:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---We face am unprecedented threat which\Nwill last
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.99,0:18:25.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two days after the attacks in Brüssel on\Nthe 22.03.2016 Jean Claude Juncker and the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.74,0:18:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,french prime minister held a join pres\Nconference. But we also believe that we
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.30,0:18:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to be a union of security. In it\NJuncker called to the ministers to accept
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.07,0:18:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a proposal by the commision for the\Npropection of the EU.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.69,0:18:48.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---For over 15 years now we have observed\Na big populist push to adopt even more
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.01,0:18:52.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance measures. With the attacks of\Nthe past years, there was the opportunity
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.20,0:18:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to pass even more. We have this proposal\Nfor a new directive whose contents a
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.94,0:19:03.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,purely based on ideology.\NThe Text of the law passed in summary
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.03,0:19:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proceedings was adopteed as an anti-\Nterrorism directive. Green Member of
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.14,0:19:15.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Parlament Jan Phillipp Albrecht wrote in\Nan Statement to Netzpolitik.org: "What the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.21,0:19:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Directive defines as Terrorism could be\Nused by governments to criminalize
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.98,0:19:23.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political action or political protest".\N---These type of laws actually are neutral
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.57,0:19:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in principle. In praxis, they are very\Ndiscrimantory. If you talk to any
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.40,0:19:30.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politician right now of the EU level or at\Nthe national or local level they will tell
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.95,0:19:33.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you that most likely this people are\NMuslims.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.94,0:19:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---Historically and Philosophically this\Nproblem is well known to us. We always
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.86,0:19:46.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tend to put everithing which is unpleasant\Nor eene to us, to the horizon. "This is
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.11,0:19:59.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strange ti us. It is done by others, not\Nby us." And when one of us does it thent
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.17,0:20:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to be distributed.\N---And this is Edward Said's point of view
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.10,0:20:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the western seit comes to define\Nitself in relation to this eastern other.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.69,0:20:18.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So everything that the West was, the East\Nwas'nt and everything that the East was,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.23,0:20:22.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the West wasn't. Ans so the East became\Nthis province of emotionality,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.03,0:20:28.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,irrationality. And the West became the\Nsource of reason, everything controlled
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.08,0:20:33.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and contained and so forth. And it is this\Ndichotomy that continues to play itself
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.21,0:20:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out.\N---Terrorism emerged as a term for the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.64,0:20:43.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first time in context of the French\NRevolution. The Jacobins who under
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.62,0:20:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rebesprierre were the reign of terror,\Nthose where the first Terrorists, that's
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.08,0:20:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what they called. The first terrorism was\Nthe terrorism of the state and of course
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.62,0:20:58.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this also included the systematic\Nmonitoring of Conterrevoliners.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.97,0:21:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---Where the proposal of the directive\Nsays that it complies with human rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.37,0:21:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It actually does not because they want to\Nincrease surveillance measures in order
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.32,0:21:14.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the population to feel safer. However,\Nwe've seen that more repressive measure do
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.83,0:21:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not necessarily mean that you would have\Nmore security.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.44,0:21:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---The way you sell it to people is to\Nappease their sense of anxieties around
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.18,0:21:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, this is an insecure world. Anything\Ncould happen at any time. And so if
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.02,0:21:36.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anything could happen at any time, what\Ncan we do about it?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.03,0:21:40.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---You gut the feeling that the text is\Ntrying to make sure that few enforecment
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.61,0:21:44.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be able to get access to\Ncommunications by any means that they
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.27,0:21:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wish.\N---To be able to stop something from
Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.71,0:21:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening before it happens, you have to\Nknow everything. You have to look at the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.26,0:21:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,past, look at what happened, but also\Npredict the future by looking at the past
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.16,0:22:00.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then getting as much information as\Nyou can on everything all the time. So
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.67,0:22:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's about zero risk.\NKurz: All developed democraties have a
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.76,0:22:08.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concept of like proporionality, that's\Nwhat the call it in Germany. that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.87,0:22:12.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance measures are weighed up\Nagainst the repeat for fundamental rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.02,0:22:16.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This undoubtly includes privacy. Privacy\Nis very highly viewed in Germany and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.07,0:22:23.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directly derived from human dignity. And\Nhuman dignity is only negotiable to very
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.37,0:22:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tiny degree.\N---When we are afraid to speak either
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.92,0:22:32.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of our government coming after us\Nbecause of a partner or a boss or
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.78,0:22:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whomever. All sorts of surveillance causes\Nself censorship. But I think that mass
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.40,0:22:41.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance. The idea that everything we\Nare doing is being collected can cause a
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.06,0:22:43.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of people to think twice before they\Nopen their mouths.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.73,0:22:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---When all your likes can be traced back\Nto you of course it affects your
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.63,0:22:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,behaviour. Of couse it's usually the case\Nthat sometimes you think: If you like this
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.32,0:23:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing or if you don't, it would have some\Nsocial repressions.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.60,0:23:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---But if you look throughout history, the\NReformation, the gay rights movements all
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.61,0:23:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these movements where illegal in some way.\NIf not by law, stricktly, then by culture.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.48,0:23:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we'd this kind of mass surveillance\Nwould we have had this movements?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.71,0:23:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---If all laws were absolutes, then we\Nwould never have progressed to the point
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.28,0:23:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where women had equal rights because women\Nhad to break the laws. That said: "You
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.82,0:23:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can't have equal rights". Black people in\NAmerica had to break the laws that said
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.75,0:23:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they could not have equal rights. And\Nthere's common thread here. You know a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.69,0:23:47.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our laws historically have had the\Nharshest effect on the most vulnerable in
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.95,0:23:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,society.\NKurz: The components of whomever has
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.28,0:23:56.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something to hide has to blame only\Nthemselves only emerged in recent years.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.51,0:24:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In particular, the former CEO of Google\NEric Smith is known for that of course, he
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.60,0:24:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certyinly said that.\N"If you have something that you don't want
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.48,0:24:09.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be\Ndooing it on the first place. " But this
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.93,0:24:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is so hostile to humans that is almost\Nfunny. You could think it is satire. A lot
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.42,0:24:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people can't help that they have\Nsomething to hide in a society, that is
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.32,0:24:24.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unjust. *wieder Eric Shmid" "But if you\Nreally need that kind of privacy, the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.19,0:24:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reallity is that search changes including\Ngoogle to retain that information for some
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.47,0:24:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time. "\N---Big corporations that have this
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.46,0:24:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business model of people farming are\Ninterested in you becaurse you are the row
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.22,0:24:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,materials. Right. Your Infromation is row\Nmaterials. What they do is they process
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.00,0:25:00.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that to build a profile of you. And that's\Nwhere the real value is. Because if I know
Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.45,0:25:06.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enough about you, if I as much information\Nabout you that I can build a very
Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.03,0:25:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lifelike, constantly evolving picture of\Nyou, a s simpulation of you. That's very
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.02,0:25:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vulnerable.\N---The economy of the net is predicting
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.98,0:25:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,human behaviour, so that eyeballls can be\Ndelivered to advertising and that's
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.16,0:25:26.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,targeting advertising.\N---The system in ways is set up for them
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.61,0:25:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make money and sell our lettle bits of\Ndata, our interests, our demographics for
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.17,0:25:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other people and for advertisers to be\Nable to sell things. These companies know
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.56,0:25:40.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more about us than we know about\Nourselves. Right now we're feeding the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.22,0:25:43.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beast. And right now, there's very little\Noversight.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.49,0:25:49.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---It has to reach one person, the same ad\Nat particular time, if at 3:00 p.m. you
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.19,0:25:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,buy the soda you get your lunch. How about\N2:55pm you'll get an ad about a discount
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.17,0:26:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about a pizza place next door or a salad\Nplace. Where had exactly the soda comes.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.64,0:26:04.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's what targeted advertising is.\N---It is true, it is convinient. You know,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.37,0:26:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always laugh every time I'm on a site.\NI'm looking at, let's say, a sweater I
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.61,0:26:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to buy. And then I move over to\Nanother site and it advertising for that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.08,0:26:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,same sweater. It pops up and reminds me\Nhow much I want it. It's both convinient
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.35,0:26:19.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and annoying.\N---It's a pity that some of the greatest
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.95,0:26:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,minds in our century are only wondering\Nhow to make you look advertising. And
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.44,0:26:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's where the surveillance economy\Nbeginns, I will say, and not just ends.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.59,0:26:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---To a lot of people that may seem much\Nless harmful. Bur the fact that they're
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.37,0:26:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capturing this date means that data exists\Nand we don't who they might share it with.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.13,0:26:45.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---There is whole new business now, you\Nknow, data brokers who drew upon, you
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.41,0:26:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, thousands of data points and create\Nclient profiles to sell to companies. Now,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.18,0:26:53.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't really know what happens with\Nthis kind of things. So it is hard to
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.93,0:26:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tell, what the implications are until it\Nis too late. Until it happens.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.87,0:27:03.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---The Stasi compared to Google or\NFacebook, where amateurs, the Stasi
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.85,0:27:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually had to use people to surcail you\Nto spy on you. That was expensive. It was
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.57,0:27:16.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time consuming. They had to pick targets.\NIt was very expensive for them to have all
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.25,0:27:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these people spying on you. Facebook\Nand Google don't have to do that. They use
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.32,0:27:26.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Algorithms, that's the mass in mass\Nsurveillance. The fact that it is so
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.17,0:27:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cheap, so convenient to spy on so many\Npeople. And it's not a conspiracy theory.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.20,0:27:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't need conspiracies when you have\Nthe simplicity of business models.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.18,0:27:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---When we talk about algorithms, we\Nactually talk about logic. When you want,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.57,0:27:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, buy a book on Amazon. You\Nhave always seen a few other suggestions.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.67,0:27:54.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These suggestions are produced for you\Nbased on the history of your preferences,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.91,0:28:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the history of your searches.\N---They learn by making mistakes. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.28,0:28:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing is, that's fine if it's like selling\Ndog feed. But it's about predictive
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.08,0:28:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pollicing and about creating a matrix\Nwhere you see which individuals are
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.48,0:28:17.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,threatening, that's not ok for me. You\Nknow, that has to be limits. There has to
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.13,0:28:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be lines. And these are all the dynamics\Nthat are coming from the bottom up. These
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.36,0:28:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are the discussions that need to be had,\Nbut they need to be had with all actors.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.10,0:28:31.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's can't just be a an echo chamber. You\Ndon't talk to the some people who agree
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.19,0:28:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with you.\N---So one consequence of this would be
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.24,0:28:42.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many minorities or many people who have\Nminority views would be silenced. And we
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.69,0:28:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always know that when a minority view is\Nsilenced, it would empower them in a way
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.40,0:28:57.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it would radicalize them in the long\Nrun. This is one aspect. The other is that
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.25,0:29:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would never be challenged by anyone,\Nwho disagrees with you.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.64,0:29:07.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---We have to understand that our data is\Nnot exhaust. Our data is not oil. Data is
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.41,0:29:13.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people. You maybe not doing anything wrong\Ntoday, but maybe three governments from
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.46,0:29:19.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now when they pass a certain law, what you\Nhave done today might be illegal, for
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.15,0:29:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example, and governments that keep that\Ndata can look back over 10, 20 years and
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.53,0:29:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe start prosecuting.\N---When everything we buy, everything we
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.29,0:29:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,read, even the people we meet and date is\Ndetermined by this algorithms, I think the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.68,0:29:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amount of power that they exert on the\Nsociety and individuals in this society is
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.58,0:29:56.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than the state to the some degree.\NAnd so there I think representatives
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.51,0:30:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,democracy have the duty to push the\Ngovernment to open up these private
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.68,0:30:12.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,entities, to at least expose to some\Ndegree how much control they exert.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.85,0:30:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,---If you adopt the technological\Nperspective and realize that technology
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.51,0:30:19.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will slip into our lives much more than is\Nalready the case: Technically into our
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.06,0:30:22.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bodies, our clothes, into devices that we\Nsit in an we're wearing, in all sorts of
Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.62,0:30:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,areas of our coexistence and working life,\Nthen that's definitely the wrong way to
Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.22,0:30:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go. Because it leads to a total\Nsurveillance. And if you think about it
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.36,0:31:30.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a few minutes, you will realize that\Nthe dichotomy is between control &
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.57,0:31:42.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,freedom. And a fully controlled society\Ncannot be free.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.13,0:31:43.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}post film music{\i0}\N[Filler please remove in amara]
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.13,0:31:52.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Hello and welcome back from the\Nmovie and know I welcome also our
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.63,0:32:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,producer. And. It was very. Oh, yeah,\Nshowing very good. What information can do
Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.11,0:32:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what could be done with information, I\Ngive some people a bit more time to ask
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.19,0:32:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more questions. And in the meantime, I\Ncould ask, Oh, well, this is moving. Those
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.78,0:32:37.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these remote to your home was not shown\Ntoday for the first time. So what would
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.54,0:32:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do different or what you think has\Nmaybe changed in the meanwhile since you
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.12,0:32:50.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,made it?\Npandemonium: What I would change is I
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.84,0:32:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would definitely try much harder to secure\Nfunding to just simply make a better movie
Dialogue: 0,0:32:59.89,0:33:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have more time and edited faster\Nbecause the editing process, because I had
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.44,0:33:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to work on the side was quite long. And\Nthis film, and the way it stands now, was
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.43,0:33:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,essentially only funded by a few very\Ngreat people who supported me on Patreon
Dialogue: 0,0:33:20.32,0:33:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and helped me with some of their private\Nmoney, essentially so that it was
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.54,0:33:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,essentially an almost no budget\Nproduction. So I would definitely change
Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.28,0:33:36.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that. But documentary seen in Germany\Nbeing what it is, it's very hard to secure
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.73,0:33:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,money if you're not attached to a TV\Nstation or if you don't have a name yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:41.96,0:33:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And since I didn't have a name, but I\Nstill want to make the movie, I made the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.10,0:33:52.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,movie. I am still very happy with the\Ngeneral direction of it. But of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:52.73,0:34:00.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since that was mainly shot in 2015 and\N2016, some of the newer developments in
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.86,0:34:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terms of especially biometric mass\Nsurveillance and police. Especially in the
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.80,0:34:18.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,U.S., the way police uses body cams, etc.\Nis not really reflected. But I still think
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.02,0:34:25.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the I would still go with the whole\Nangle on colonialism and racism that is
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.37,0:34:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deeply entrenched in the discussions\Naround surveillance and privacy. And we
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.89,0:34:36.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can see that in discussions about shutting\Ndown Telegram in Germany at the moment
Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.22,0:34:42.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because right wing groups the there we see\Nit in discussions about how to deal with
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.05,0:34:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hate speech online on Facebook or the\NMetaverse. And it's going to be called
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.56,0:34:53.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zoom. And all of these things are already\Nkind of in the movie, but I would have
Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.90,0:35:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably focused a bit more on them if I'd\Nknown. Six years ago what would happen and
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.88,0:35:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I would make it now? But generally, the\Ndirection I would choose the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.92,0:35:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Yeah, it's quite fascinating. So\Nit was nearly no budget was so low, and it
Dialogue: 0,0:35:18.99,0:35:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was also an interesting point to entertain\Nnow, because in principle, I understood
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.89,0:35:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ideas that body cams should create\Nactually a means of protecting people
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.84,0:35:42.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against police and not the other way\Naround as it happens sometimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.19,0:35:47.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pandemonium: So there are definitely and\Nthe problem with especially body cams or
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.93,0:35:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also other of other means of surveillance\Nis that a video is always thought to be an
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.20,0:36:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,objective recording of the reality. But of\Ncourse, it always depends on the angle and
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.93,0:36:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cases of body cams, quite literally the\Nangle, but also data interpretation. And
Dialogue: 0,0:36:08.01,0:36:14.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since humans are always full of biases and\Nalways full of presumptions about who
Dialogue: 0,0:36:14.63,0:36:21.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be in the right and who might be in\Nthe wrong, these imagery, images or videos
Dialogue: 0,0:36:21.38,0:36:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tend to never, even if they would be\Nshowing the objective truth, they're
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.18,0:36:31.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,barely ever interpret it that way. And\Nit's exactly the same with any sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:36:31.99,0:36:38.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,film or photography that we're doing. I\Nmean, for this movie, I assembled a ton of
Dialogue: 0,0:36:38.89,0:36:42.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interviews and there were very long there\Nwere several hours long in many cases, and
Dialogue: 0,0:36:42.55,0:36:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could added probably 100 different\Nversions of this movie going essentially
Dialogue: 0,0:36:49.16,0:36:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost opposite directions, exactly the\Nsame material. It shows very strongly how
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.57,0:37:05.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important it is, that at the end of the\Nday we overcome our biosies as judges, as
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.87,0:37:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,police people, as people walking on the\Nstreet an trying to overcome any sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:37:12.22,0:37:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance on this impossible on the\Ntechnical level, is always connected with
Dialogue: 0,0:37:22.48,0:37:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way, we understand world.\NHerald: Yeah, this is, I also remember a
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.16,0:37:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk several years ago , it was about one\Nof "freiheit statt Angst" Demonstrations
Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.11,0:37:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Berlin. And there was also a case,\Nwhere the term was established, the guy
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.16,0:38:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a t-shirt got beaten by police and it\Nwas very hard to assemble different videos
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.85,0:38:11.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to tell the whole story, what had\Nhappened. You should be able to find that,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.41,0:38:18.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a talk , where this was\Nconstructed somehow.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.29,0:38:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Producer: I will definitely looked that\Nup.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.08,0:38:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald. But I'm not sure about the year\Nanymore but you will find it. Now we have
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.25,0:38:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a real question from the audience. The\Nfirst is, can I find the movie anywhere
Dialogue: 0,0:38:38.04,0:38:42.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and show it to somebody else?\NProducer: Yes. It is on YouTube. {\i1}laugh{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.79,0:38:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Ok.\NProducer: You can literally find it by
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.10,0:38:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,typing my name, which is Theresia\NReinhold. And you can find it.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.54,0:39:07.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald. ok. So, its very good. So, I hope\Nthey are happy. Is the 21. Century
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.59,0:39:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attention span for non-technical friend\Nwith biggest claim. I don't get the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.98,0:39:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions. The Idea is: Is there a way of\Nexplaining the non technical people, what
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.65,0:39:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the problem with "I do not have nothing\Nto hide".
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.69,0:39:48.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Producer: If there is anything in your\Nlife, where you are happy, no one is
Dialogue: 0,0:39:48.07,0:39:52.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watching you doing, whether it is a\NCentury video, that a lot of people don't
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.76,0:40:01.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, that you are watching. Or singing in\Nthe shower or anything, then that is your
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.05,0:40:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,absolute right that you are not. No one is\Njudging you on them, and that's the same
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.11,0:40:19.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with mass surveillance and surfing online\Nor walking down the street. We have a very
Dialogue: 0,0:40:19.29,0:40:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basic comfort zone, should be protected.\NKnow we have a human right to privacy and
Dialogue: 0,0:40:26.63,0:40:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's in a technical room or in an\Nanalog room, like being in a shopping mall
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.13,0:40:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and picking up, I don't know whatever you\Ndon't want other people to know that
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.66,0:40:40.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're buying. You should have the right\Nto do that in private and not have it be
Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.39,0:40:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,known to other people. And when we are\Nsurfing the internet, everything we do is
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.50,0:40:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constantly analyzed and watched in real\Ntime and you notice our movements online
Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.28,0:41:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are sold to the highest bidder and as a\Nwhole, massive advertising industry behind
Dialogue: 0,0:41:00.12,0:41:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it. And that's just immoral because humans\Nshould have always the ability to share
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.61,0:41:15.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only what they want to share. That's how I\Ntry to explain it to non tech people. And
Dialogue: 0,0:41:15.53,0:41:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they're not tech, people from the\Nformer east, is just here to move to Stasi
Dialogue: 0,0:41:17.55,0:41:20.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they know exactly what you're talking\Nabout.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:20.62,0:41:27.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Yes, thanks for this explanation\Nagain. And I think also what is important,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:27.11,0:41:34.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what was also mentioned in the movie is\Nthe thing with that is and speak, since it
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.22,0:41:41.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be stored now that it's so that future\Ncan haunt your history. Kind of.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.42,0:41:47.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pandemonium. Yeah.\NHerald: And actually, the question was
Dialogue: 0,0:41:47.51,0:41:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now be more precise. And actually, it was\Nnot what I asked you {\i1}Laughs{\i0}. Actually is
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.40,0:42:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the question of whether there is or there\Ncould be a short teaser that people could
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.88,0:42:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,send to your friends to two of their\Nfriends to to watch the whole movie?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.26,0:42:15.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughs{\i0}\NReinhold: Oh yes, there is. And that is
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.63,0:42:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also on YouTube and on Vimeo. OK, sorry.\NYes. {\i1}Laugh{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.12,0:42:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Well, I also didn't get it from\Nthe question. So OK, so people will find
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.32,0:42:34.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it very good. So then I guess we are\Nthrough with the questions, and I thank
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.41,0:42:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you again for your nice movie and for\Nbeing here. Yeah, and. Then this talk is
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.76,0:42:57.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over here. Chaos zone a TV comes back to\Nyou at four p.m. with the talk "tales from
Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.01,0:43:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the quantum industry" until then? Oh yeah.\NWhich some other streams go to the world
Dialogue: 0,0:43:05.17,0:43:08.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or. Have some lunch. See you.\N[Filler please remove in amara]
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