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Spontaneous talks with Mooji[br](with subtitles)

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Monte Sahaja[br]3 December 2012

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Relationships and Truth

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[Mooji] I remember when one girl,[br]many will probably remember,

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but I'm not gonna put light on her.

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But she came into a tremendous place of seeing.

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And she just cracked open on the stage[br]in front of everyone.

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And after two or three days,[br]I didn't see her anymore.

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Something just went, Where is that girl?[br]I want to see her.

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I haven't seen her around for a while.

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It's been like three or four days,[br]nobody saw her.

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I said, Does anybody know where she lives?

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'I know where she lives, I'll call her.'

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Then she came.[br]I said, What happened to you? I don't see you.

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She came, 'Yes, yes', after satsang, outside.

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'Yes, yes, yes. Well you know, Mooji,[br]an amazing thing happened!

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Because then, I went up to Arunachala.

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I was up there, and I met this man,[br]this being'.

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She says, 'I met this being,

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and he seems completely awake.

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And it just happened. Like we just met.

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And then, we kind of just been spending[br]a lot of time together.

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It's kind of like,[br]I just fell in love with this being.

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Then I was saying,

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"How can I just have two gurus in my head?"

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How is that possible?'

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Then I said to her,

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Do you think consciousness actually,

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intentionally wished this for you,

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having brought you to a place of seeing,

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then bring in this duality[br]and this heavy confusion for you,

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was it conscious that did it or not?

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Because, somehow, secretly,[br]something inside you,

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maybe a vasana, some deep tendency

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is that you need someone,[br]you always need somebody.

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And so this is the the ace up the sleeve[br]of the mind.

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[Questioner 1] It feels like this.[br][Mooji] It's 'Aaah!

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[Mooji] Now I met a living being[br]who has fallen in love with me

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just at the time when I'm coming into freedom!'[br]Wonderful!

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[laughter]

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And I know who this character is, also.

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He's always on the prowl. You understand?

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And then, somehow, I said,

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You've thrown it away.

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You've thrown it away,[br]because something inside you needed,

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feel it needs to be with somebody

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and it became your powerful distraction.

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[Mooji] As the ego itself is dissolving,

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pulled into that inner space,

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some trauma is coming up for it.

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And the greatest rescue for the ego[br]is a relationship.

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You say, 'Oh my God, I thought it was finished!

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Somebody actually loves me'.[br]And boom, boom, there you go,

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into the sunset, on your white horse.

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And we will not see you,[br]not around here, not for a while.

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And so many times this has happened

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So many times.

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[Q.1] I feel for me,[br]it was the biggest challenge I ever had,

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this relationship thing.[br]Always, because there is ...

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Well, maybe it's also conditioning[br]that you have this belief

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that if you find the right partner,

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the rest of your life will be just in love,

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and everything is great,[br]and fantastic and beautiful,

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and flowers and everything.

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And many times, I fell into this.

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Yeah, I follow this idea,[br]I know this notion that ...

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Or even hypnotised myself[br]that when I fell in love,

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this was the right person, finally,[br]for the rest of my life.

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[Mooji] What is it that needs that?

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You should look into it.

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Because it's not to do really with love.

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It really is some fake fantasy

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that really pulls you again into the bush.

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And when you're sufficiently confused,

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it will release you again to wander about,

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bumping into trees,[br]because you missed your chance.

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It's what happened for many people.

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And we needn't limit it[br]to romantic relationships.

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That's just one of the great rivers.

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But in many things, it comes.

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Whatever it will take,

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whatever is your weakest link,[br]if you want to say this,

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it will come through this door,[br]through this way.

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Something to entice your mind to go again,

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to look for this way out, this way out.

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This is why, great is the one who transcends[br]all these things.

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No one needs to boast about it,[br]because it can come,

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and when it's present,[br]it is flowing in your veins,

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and it's such remarkable intimacy

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that you don't even question it.

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You enter that drunken state.

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In the end, you're always on your own.

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Wake up to that Truth.

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Your mind will say,[br]'It's so difficult to live with all these people,

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and sometimes this ... '[br]and have a good grumble.

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But wherever life places your form,

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there is nothing like[br]an automatic failure anywhere,

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except if you give in to that type of mentality

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to go back to that old way of thinking.

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And it always seems that

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life is always on the verge of this kind of chaos.

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None of your excuses are true.

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None of our excuses are true.[br]We make it up.

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Something inside decides,[br]'I don't want to do it'.

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And it will find a way out from this. It's life.

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Consciousness does not suffer.

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But you, the one who imagines yourself

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to be the one who goes or comes,[br]that will suffer.

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What to say about these things now.

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[Q.1] I loved what you said the other day,

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there was this Japanese girl,

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you said, 'Man is made for God,[br]and a woman is made for God'.

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For me, this was really such a profound truth.

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And also when you speak about this aloneness,

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I had this very deep experience[br]and this deep, deep knowing,

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one day when I looked inside,

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and I saw that I'm completely alone,

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and at the beginning, I felt so scared,

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and it really terrified me to see this aloneness.

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But at the end,[br]when you get comfortable with that,

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it's so beautiful[br]when you just let yourself fall in that

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and you really realise it is the biggest truth.

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[Mooji] Yes, the mind is afraid of this aloneness,

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because it paints the picture of a person

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who is a very limited thing, vulnerable thing,

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alone as a person.

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But the true aloneness is that[br]you are alone as everything,

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as the totality, somehow.

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[Questioner 2] Sri Mooji, in this sharing[br]and support in a relationship

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[Q.2] it's very beautiful also.[br][M.] Yes. I'm coming to that.

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[Q.2] Even though I am alone.[br][M.] I'm coming to that.

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[Mooji] There are beautiful examples.

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[Q.1] For me, it doesn't feel like it's ...

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It feels like something old

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that's somehow in the very DNA[br]of this body-mind,

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because actually I enjoy being alone.

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When I'm in a relationship,

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I'm always wanting to be given my space,[br]like this.

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So I can see this. But it feels like,[br]when you speak about vasanas,

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it's something that's just there, it's old,[br]and it needs to be burned,

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and I don't know how that learning happens.

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[Mooji] It seems to get in the way[br]of real love, really.

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I mean, this is not an anti-relationship talk[br]or something,

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because it is possible.

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Of course, we see the evidence of that.

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And often your best relationships[br]are not the ones you run after.

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It's just the ones that just reveal themselves.

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Like I say, the beloved is not chosen,

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it is just recognised.

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And so it's not that,

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Oh, you should go looking[br]to find your life partner,

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or whatever it is.[br]I think that comes from another place.

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And we should not be pursuing these things.

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When you don't,[br]then you find a life which is yours.

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That in some beautiful way

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you may encounter someone, meet someone,

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in whose presence you feel[br]deeply comfortable and at peace,

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and fall in love in the most natural way.

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And your connection doesn't become[br]a distraction from the truth,

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but enhances your journey and your possibilities,

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heighten the possibilities of discovering the truth.

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You resonate with each other.

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You become almost each other's guru,[br]if you're true in heart.

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But much, for instance, in Tiruvannamalai,

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it was rampant with monkey business for me,

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because they were just popping around,

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'ping, ping, ping, ping', like this!

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Because there was so much insecurity[br]coming up for people

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to do with, kind of like, 'I am disappearing'.

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And the 'I' that is disappearing,[br]even the disappearing of that 'I'

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and the seeming terror[br]of the one who is afraid of disappearing,

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there is a powerful joy at the same time,[br]that is there,

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because the one who is disappearing, thank God,

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is the one who needs to disappear

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to find that which cannot disappear,

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one's own true Self.

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So much resistance is there.

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This is why it seems so rare for a human being

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to really come out of that mischief,[br]and distortion.

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Because the minute you hold on to the[br]sense of ego,

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there's a vulnerability and a neediness[br]to be secure,

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or made to feel secure,

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or to bind to some promise, or some projection.

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So the culprit is not relationship, but ego.

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Romantic relationships are just an[br]exquisite way of exposing some things

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which other relationships are not able to do,

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because they really heighten and expose[br]the deeper

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strategies of the ego[br]to try and satisfy its projections.

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There's going to come a time

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when these things mean nothing for you.

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You won't know what ego means. What is ego?

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What is a person? What is that?

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You may not even ask this question,[br]'What is it?'

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It won't it won't have any taste for you.

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I was going to say like unsalted food.

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but many people here, they like unsalted food.

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But let's not go and fall into the relationship trap,

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it's not just about relationship

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unless you're talking about relationship[br]in the wider sense,

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which is our interactions with this universe,

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inside this universe.

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And everything boils down to 'Romeo and Juliet'.

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It's just things to do with little tricks

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that goes on inside the head,

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when you become obsessed with an identity[br]which is not real,

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and how it pulls your attention away.

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Away from that unique and auspicious discovery,

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the most powerful destruction comes into play.

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Often, your best relationships[br]are not the ones you run after,

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they are the ones that just reveal themselves.

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The Beloved is not chosen,[br]it is just recognised.

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