0:00:06.049,0:00:07.429 Thanks a lot for the invitation. 0:00:08.240,0:00:11.898 It's definitely not my time of the day so[br]excuse me if I'm a little bit… 0:00:13.400,0:00:14.905 Right, next to the track. 0:00:16.292,0:00:20.186 I'm always really happy to speak[br]in front of people 0:00:20.186,0:00:25.470 who are dealing with IT and stuff[br]because I'm so much not an IT person. 0:00:25.673,0:00:28.759 You saw that I wasn't even able to start[br]my presentation alone. 0:00:30.625,0:00:31.435 I'm from CADUS. 0:00:32.004,0:00:37.401 CADUS is a humanitarian NGO that was[br]founded 3 years ago in Berlin. 0:00:38.294,0:00:45.158 It was founded out of a kind of subculture[br]that is strongly related to the CCC, but 0:00:45.158,0:00:47.999 to the musical and festival subculture[br]as well. 0:00:51.659,0:00:55.762 What I want to talk about today is[br]our crisis response makerspace in Berlin. 0:00:56.372,0:01:00.965 Holger (Levsen) invited me after we saw[br]each other again at Datengarten in Berlin 0:01:00.965,0:01:03.529 and he asked if I can make the presentation[br]in english as well. 0:01:03.529,0:01:08.119 My english is shit, so please excuse me if[br]I have to search some words 0:01:08.119,0:01:09.541 from time to time. 0:01:12.999,0:01:15.604 Do you have an idea[br]what this is? 0:01:20.308,0:01:25.075 It's a huge truck, it's a medical sign[br]on it, so this is a kind of mobile hospital. 0:01:25.643,0:01:29.792 Mobile hospital which you can use if[br]other hospitals are broken down 0:01:29.792,0:01:31.374 or if there are no hospitals. 0:01:31.781,0:01:36.614 Do you have an idea how much[br]such an hospital would cost you 0:01:36.614,0:01:37.873 to buy? 0:01:39.946,0:01:43.238 3 millions, 2 millions, 3 millions,[br]4 millions, hum… 0:01:46.116,0:01:49.707 This is a picture of a destroyed hospital[br]in Syria. 0:01:50.912,0:01:56.571 You all see a lot of pictures on the TV,[br]stuff like that. 0:01:57.099,0:02:00.901 Can you relate these 3 to 4 millions[br]mobile hospitals 0:02:00.901,0:02:02.303 to these destroyed hospitals? 0:02:02.669,0:02:06.289 Do you normally see in the media that[br]if a hospital is destroyed 0:02:06.289,0:02:10.393 then this fancy stuff is deployed[br]to there? 0:02:12.697,0:02:14.414 Do you have an idea why? 0:02:17.180,0:02:18.812 It's "fucking expensive"? 0:02:19.545,0:02:20.358 Something more? 0:02:25.802,0:02:27.529 "Who's gonna pay for it?" 0:02:31.162,0:02:32.878 "Is help wanted?" 0:02:33.454,0:02:33.820 More? 0:02:43.250,0:02:45.321 It is a question of safety from time[br]to time. 0:02:46.017,0:02:51.947 But on top you have to imagine Syria,[br]war country, dust, heat, 0:02:51.947,0:02:55.685 no supply chain, nothing like that, so[br]bringing there 0:02:55.685,0:03:00.370 a 4 million mobile hospital might end in[br]two weeks of working and after that 0:03:00.370,0:03:03.954 nothing is working anymore because[br]you don't have the technicians 0:03:03.954,0:03:07.527 who can repair this kind of stuff[br]for example. 0:03:09.597,0:03:11.774 Next example, I'm sure you know 0:03:11.875,0:03:13.825 What it is is a pretty fancy fire truck. 0:03:14.396,0:03:18.002 You have them in Germany[br]in all the bigger villages and 0:03:18.002,0:03:19.551 all the cities, stuff like that. 0:03:20.127,0:03:22.243 If you take a look inside this firetruck, 0:03:22.243,0:03:24.927 you see plenty of fancy stuff. 0:03:25.285,0:03:29.237 I love this stuff, there is stuff to put[br]out fire, there's stuff to lift things 0:03:29.237,0:03:30.405 with hydrolics. 0:03:30.861,0:03:34.073 There is normal stuff like shovels and[br]stuff like that. 0:03:35.657,0:03:38.539 But if you relate this to pictures[br]in disaster areas, 0:03:38.539,0:03:41.904 this is from Haiti, then you see that[br]you have plenty of people 0:03:41.904,0:03:43.708 but no equipment at all. 0:03:45.571,0:03:51.462 All's pretty clear because normally,[br]after a disaster, 0:03:51.462,0:03:55.607 people from all over the world come[br]as fast as possible to the disaster area 0:03:55.607,0:03:57.596 the so-called "urban search and rescue[br]teams". 0:03:57.963,0:04:01.051 They're coming by plane, so[br]all the fancy stuff that we have 0:04:01.051,0:04:02.963 in our societies stays here, 0:04:02.963,0:04:07.104 and a few people, typically "white knights[br]of humanitarian aid" 0:04:07.288,0:04:10.823 go to the disaster areas to help[br]"the poor people". 0:04:12.556,0:04:14.630 You understand this was cynical. 0:04:16.665,0:04:20.452 And there's a third example.[br]Have you ever seen what this is? 0:04:22.157,0:04:23.695 This is a tourniquet. 0:04:24.394,0:04:29.346 A tourniquet is one meter of nylon strap[br]and a little bit of plastic. 0:04:30.333,0:04:35.087 A tourniquet is the best way to stop[br]severe bleeding immediately. 0:04:35.899,0:04:37.974 We know this since the second world war. 0:04:38.033,0:04:41.468 At least it's twenty years[br]it's totally clear and 0:04:41.468,0:04:44.844 it's validated, this is the best way to[br]stop severe bleeding. 0:04:46.182,0:04:50.449 Spoiler, you won't see this in the media[br]if you see like people in Syria getting hurt 0:04:50.449,0:04:53.292 like losing legs after explosions and[br]stuff like that. 0:04:55.327,0:04:59.071 Do you have an idea how expensive is[br]such a thing? 0:04:59.270,0:05:02.275 One meter of nylon, a little piece[br]of plastic? 0:05:08.016,0:05:10.818 Not so expensive, but it goes in[br]this direction: 0:05:10.818,0:05:12.896 55 dollars for one of these. 0:05:12.988,0:05:16.341 55 dollars for fucking one meter[br]of nylon strap. 0:05:16.858,0:05:19.994 And, I don't know, less than 10g[br]of plastic. 0:05:21.614,0:05:24.172 The last example, I don't know if you have[br]a pet. 0:05:24.456,0:05:32.716 I had a dog, if I would like to,[br]I could add a GPS to my dog 0:05:32.716,0:05:36.213 and this GPS would say when my dog[br]is sleeping, where my dog is, 0:05:36.213,0:05:38.771 where I can find my dog if it's gone,[br]stuff like that. 0:05:39.582,0:05:44.375 But again if you went Haiti directly after[br]the earthquake, 0:05:44.375,0:05:48.802 people searched for other people in[br]collapsed building 0:05:48.875,0:05:50.629 with their bare hands. 0:05:51.273,0:05:55.628 So, obviously, we have a lot of[br]technical solutions for everything. 0:05:56.522,0:06:00.830 I can look for my fucking dog in Hamburg[br]where it is via my app on my iPhone 0:06:00.830,0:06:05.903 but on the other hand, in a disaster area[br]it's not even possible to search for 0:06:05.903,0:06:08.965 people who are buried in collapsed buildings. 0:06:09.329,0:06:10.795 There are several reasons for that. 0:06:12.014,0:06:15.591 One reason: humanitarian work,[br]humanitarian aid is a market. 0:06:16.445,0:06:18.513 This is a little bit perverted but[br]it is a market. 0:06:18.841,0:06:20.107 It's always a question. 0:06:20.107,0:06:22.990 It's not like "Who wants to aid?" but[br]"Who pays for the help?". 0:06:24.649,0:06:26.476 "Who gets his share out of this help?" 0:06:28.791,0:06:34.155 And you can imagine we have, I don't know,[br]every two or three years a major earthquake 0:06:34.155,0:06:39.242 so the market, if you compare it to[br]another business market, is pretty small. 0:06:39.890,0:06:45.739 Who cares for the 1000, 2000, 3000 people[br]who die in the earthquake every 3 years? 0:06:47.487,0:06:49.762 The next thing: access to the market. 0:06:50.660,0:06:52.572 Is it possible to bring things to Syria? 0:06:52.572,0:06:55.165 Why should I develop, as a businessman[br]in capitalism, 0:06:55.165,0:06:58.408 why should I develop something if I can't[br]reach my market easily? 0:06:59.986,0:07:00.986 To make my share. 0:07:02.425,0:07:05.332 And the third thing: who are the players[br]on the market. 0:07:05.636,0:07:08.238 In humanitarian aid, most players are NGOs. 0:07:09.131,0:07:13.119 NGOs are not really interested in[br]developing new things because 0:07:13.119,0:07:18.526 if I have an NGO, a classical NGO, then[br]I like the things how they are. 0:07:19.134,0:07:24.131 If there is a disaster, I send my people,[br]I make some nice pictures for the media 0:07:24.131,0:07:25.760 and I get a little of donations. 0:07:25.924,0:07:27.832 I'm not interested in changing things. 0:07:28.607,0:07:31.690 If I would like building capacity and[br]local communities 0:07:31.690,0:07:34.463 so much that they don't need me anymore[br]after disasters, 0:07:34.463,0:07:37.516 then there's no need for my nice wide[br]NGO anymore. 0:07:37.961,0:07:42.951 So, these three things together make[br]the situation where you have 0:07:42.951,0:07:47.671 a lot of solutions in our communities[br]and in our societies 0:07:47.671,0:07:52.430 but you have no possibility to bring this[br]to disaster aid. 0:07:53.608,0:07:57.390 We started in 2014 in northern Syria[br]more or less by accident. 0:07:57.871,0:08:03.087 We were asked if we could come[br]with a political delegation and make 0:08:03.087,0:08:06.422 an overview of the medical infrastructure. 0:08:07.437,0:08:09.630 And ever since we were stuck[br]in this region 0:08:09.630,0:08:12.964 because we saw no NGOs working there, 0:08:12.964,0:08:16.582 because the states were not really willing[br]to pay money for that, 0:08:16.582,0:08:22.556 because the northern, north-east Syria[br]is ruled by some Kurdish militias 0:08:22.556,0:08:26.261 and these Kurdish militias are too lefty[br]to get money from states, 0:08:26.261,0:08:27.719 let's say it this way. 0:08:28.296,0:08:37.001 So we saw the situation there and[br]we still had an old 4-wheel driven truck 0:08:37.477,0:08:39.305 here in Germany and we said 0:08:39.305,0:08:43.977 "This would be great if we just built[br]out of this truck a mobile hospital." 0:08:44.180,0:08:45.280 We had no idea how to do this, 0:08:45.280,0:08:48.980 we were really a little bit naive[br]in these times. 0:08:49.346,0:08:50.360 We said just like 0:08:50.360,0:08:54.226 "It's a nice truck, there's a lot of space[br]in this truck, so let's build it." 0:08:54.459,0:08:58.367 "We have an idea, we have a fantasy.[br]We will go with this truck to northern Syria 0:08:58.367,0:09:01.823 then we will give it to a local NGO and[br]then they have a mobile hospital 0:09:01.823,0:09:06.374 to follow the front lines in their fight[br]against the so-called islamic state." 0:09:07.227,0:09:14.177 And one year and a half, two years later,[br]we really were in nothern Iraq, 0:09:14.177,0:09:17.706 not northern Syria so far, but in[br]northern Iraq with our mobile hospital. 0:09:19.745,0:09:25.303 And it was pretty hard to cross a border[br]to Syria so we had to stay in northern Iraq 0:09:25.303,0:09:29.005 So we asked to WHO, the World Health[br]Organisation, 0:09:29.005,0:09:32.254 "What can we do right now? We are here,[br]we have a mobile hospital. 0:09:32.254,0:09:33.755 Do you see any need for us?" 0:09:33.755,0:09:34.609 And they said 0:09:34.609,0:09:38.218 "Yeah, guys, if you'd like to, then[br]we would like to send you to Mossoul." 0:09:40.529,0:09:43.499 I don't know if you saw in the media,[br]last year, 0:09:43.499,0:09:47.728 the battle of Mossoul was one of the most[br]bloody and the most shitty battle 0:09:47.728,0:09:51.504 that we had in the past 20, 30 years,[br]I think. 0:09:51.748,0:09:57.220 It was a lot civilian casualties and[br]we said 0:09:57.220,0:10:01.495 "Ok, let's try. We built this mobile[br]hospital, let's see if it's working." 0:10:03.034,0:10:07.673 We were able to work, like, 1.5km[br]behind the frontline with the islamic state 0:10:07.673,0:10:12.391 and we were really wondering, we were[br]really surprised, because we saw that 0:10:12.391,0:10:17.352 nobody else was working there, because[br]they just didn't have the equipment for that 0:10:17.676,0:10:21.273 because it is easier to buy a mobile[br]hospital for 3-4 million dollars 0:10:22.167,0:10:25.014 nobody had that, and other things[br]were not available on the market 0:10:25.177,0:10:27.780 so we were the only ones working there 0:10:28.388,0:10:32.613 Over the few months that we worked[br]directly at the front line, 0:10:32.613,0:10:35.583 we treated several thousands people[br]with this. 0:10:38.915,0:10:43.706 This was actually the moment when[br]the crisis response makerspace was born. 0:10:44.145,0:10:47.341 So it was not planned that we build up[br]this makerspace, it was just like 0:10:47.871,0:10:50.717 we had two workshops in Berlin where[br]we fixed the truck 0:10:51.087,0:10:54.055 where we renovated the truck and[br]stuff like that. 0:10:57.305,0:10:59.944 After we went to Iraq, we just thought 0:10:59.944,0:11:02.344 "This was a pretty good idea and[br]it worked out pretty well." 0:11:02.831,0:11:07.147 We were sure there were more problems[br]that had to be solved in humanitarian crisis. 0:11:09.133,0:11:13.961 Actually, this first mobile hospital went[br]over the border to Syria one week ago 0:11:13.961,0:11:17.080 so it is on ??? should have gone too. 0:11:18.218,0:11:19.723 What we're doing at the moment. 0:11:21.107,0:11:24.756 We have some lessons learned from[br]this first mobile hospital and 0:11:24.756,0:11:27.417 we're developing a second mobile hospital 0:11:27.417,0:11:32.401 because the first one was based on[br]old trucks that we could get really cheap 0:11:32.401,0:11:34.516 in Germany, but our idea was always 0:11:34.516,0:11:39.912 we would like to create opensource[br]blueprints for local NGOs, 0:11:39.912,0:11:43.233 so that they can copy our solution[br]that we developed. 0:11:44.095,0:11:48.238 With these german trucks, it's not really[br]easy, we can't to an NGO in the Middle East 0:11:48.238,0:11:50.641 and say "Look, this is how we build it" 0:11:50.885,0:11:53.038 because they can't get the hand on[br]these german trucks 0:11:53.038,0:11:57.267 So now we use UC containers because[br]you can get them everywhere in the world, 0:11:57.267,0:12:02.345 they are unbelievably cheap, you can get[br]them for 2,500€ and 0:12:05.075,0:12:08.376 at the moment in Berlin we are building[br]something like this. 0:12:10.730,0:12:15.530 It's not to work inside the containers but[br]to have an inflatable tent structure 0:12:15.530,0:12:19.318 coming out of the container and then[br]you have your 20 treatment places and 0:12:19.318,0:12:23.907 we're working on different solutions that[br]are not existing at the moment 0:12:23.907,0:12:26.712 like this patient treatment places are[br]based on flight cases 0:12:26.712,0:12:27.646 and stuff like this 0:12:27.646,0:12:32.200 We try to bring together our experiences[br]from the musical subculture 0:12:32.200,0:12:37.284 from organizing festivals, from building[br]up structures pretty fast 0:12:37.284,0:12:41.508 and empty rooms and stuff like that[br]together with this humanitarian problems. 0:12:44.638,0:12:47.728 Another problem that I had at the beginning[br]was the firetruck, 0:12:47.728,0:12:51.141 when I said "no firetruck in disaster[br]areas" and we thought 0:12:53.930,0:12:56.325 "We can get our hands on these firetrucks" 0:12:56.458,0:13:00.270 This firetruck is basically just a truck[br]with a good solution about 0:13:00.727,0:13:02.679 how to store your equipment 0:13:02.924,0:13:05.848 so that you can use your equipment[br]when it's still on the truck 0:13:05.848,0:13:09.423 and you have your engine running and[br]you have electricity and stuff like that. 0:13:10.033,0:13:13.406 We were thinking "Ok, you don't need[br]this firetruck, you just need 0:13:13.406,0:13:17.554 a box system that you can bring with[br]normal appliances to disaster areas 0:13:17.554,0:13:19.219 and then put them on normal pick-ups, 0:13:19.219,0:13:21.409 pick-ups you find all over the world. 0:13:22.829,0:13:28.269 For this we would need a kind of[br]box system that you can connect and 0:13:28.269,0:13:30.009 three angles. 0:13:30.299,0:13:32.780 We took a look at the market, and again, 0:13:32.780,0:13:35.179 it's not necessary normally, to have[br]something like this. 0:13:35.341,0:13:42.169 Nobody developed this, meaning that you can[br]load these boxes with up to 200kg. 0:13:44.675,0:13:51.485 We developed a new kind of box. It won't[br]have the name CAbox in the future, 0:13:51.485,0:13:53.681 but we couldn't find another. 0:13:54.250,0:13:56.687 This box is a modular system. 0:13:58.962,0:14:04.164 We try to work together with universities,[br]this was together with the HTW in Berlin. 0:14:06.764,0:14:12.337 This is how things are done with us, we[br]have first an idea, like 0:14:12.337,0:14:16.323 "How can we cut a firetruck in pieces,[br]bring it to a disaster area and 0:14:16.323,0:14:17.825 put it together again?" 0:14:18.102,0:14:20.625 and out of this process are coming[br]more and more ideas. 0:14:20.625,0:14:24.896 We thought "Perhaps it's not only[br]connecting these boxes, 0:14:24.896,0:14:28.759 perhaps it's an idea to make it in[br]a modular way because then, 0:14:28.759,0:14:32.664 you can define, for every side of the box 0:14:32.664,0:14:35.264 a special use, like for example photovoltaic 0:14:35.264,0:14:40.822 and now we have a box developed[br]that you can put in a normal airplane, 0:14:40.822,0:14:45.742 bring to a disaster area, just ???[br]these boxes, these sides of the boxes 0:14:45.742,0:14:50.138 and get electricity, for example inside[br]a water pump or something like that. 0:14:52.779,0:14:57.820 We then thought about "Ok, but how[br]can we get into the disaster areas 0:14:57.820,0:14:59.323 if there are lots of blocks" 0:14:59.323,0:15:02.115 We saw this in the ???[br]of the earthquake, 0:15:02.115,0:15:06.013 we saw this on Puerto Rico last year[br]after the typhoon, 0:15:06.013,0:15:08.341 that the help couldn't reach the island 0:15:09.234,0:15:13.540 We thought that it's not so difficult[br]to throw things out of airplanes. 0:15:14.882,0:15:16.631 So again, we took a look at the market[br]and said 0:15:16.631,0:15:23.093 "Wow, no civilian solutions to throw[br]huge payloads out of aircrafts." 0:15:24.637,0:15:27.603 The solutions on the market are[br]military solutions. 0:15:28.529,0:15:33.602 So the UN can use it, but normally[br]it's up to the national military 0:15:33.845,0:15:34.984 who can use it. 0:15:35.269,0:15:38.566 The only solution we could find was[br]a box system coming 0:15:38.566,0:15:41.571 from an english company 0:15:41.571,0:15:49.937 and with this box, you can throw, I think,[br]up to 70kg but only things that can't break 0:15:50.506,0:15:53.633 you can't throw out medical instruments[br]with this. 0:15:55.263,0:15:58.468 So, what we did, we called again,[br]we looked for 0:15:58.468,0:16:02.940 who could be the best person to talk[br]with us about something like that. 0:16:03.673,0:16:06.109 And we thought, it's not the military,[br]obviously, because 0:16:06.109,0:16:11.183 they're thinking bigger scales, they're[br]thinking endless money, 0:16:11.183,0:16:13.047 they're thinking endless logistics 0:16:13.047,0:16:16.821 So we got together with paragliders[br]from Switzerland. 0:16:18.446,0:16:22.097 We met with the refugee response[br]in the Mediterranean 0:16:22.632,0:16:26.211 and told them "We would like[br]to throw things out of airplanes. 0:16:26.822,0:16:28.204 What do you think about it?" 0:16:28.571,0:16:32.106 They said "Why not? We are jumping[br]out of airplanes all the time!" 0:16:32.592,0:16:35.109 So why should it be so difficult? 0:16:35.726,0:16:40.516 What came out is that every paraglider[br]which goes down a mountain 0:16:40.516,0:16:46.253 in Switzerland, frequently, daily, has[br]an emergency parachute 0:16:46.416,0:16:47.483 in his powerglide. 0:16:47.804,0:16:51.500 And this emergency parachute has to be[br]renewed every 3 years, 0:16:51.829,0:16:57.282 not because it's broken, but because we're[br]living in a rich society and insurances say 0:16:57.282,0:16:59.723 "If you don't do this, I won't insure you." 0:17:00.740,0:17:08.450 So, you have plenty, hundreds, thousands[br]of used parachutes that are totally ok 0:17:08.694,0:17:12.108 And you can hang, obviously, more than[br]100kg on them. 0:17:12.516,0:17:14.184 Then you have these tandem parachutes, 0:17:14.184,0:17:17.069 you can obviously hang more than 250kg[br]on them. 0:17:18.863,0:17:21.955 So, what we did, totally illegal, 0:17:22.321,0:17:26.180 we tried it out and threw some things[br]from really high bridges in Switzerland 0:17:26.465,0:17:28.134 with these parachutes. 0:17:28.697,0:17:31.057 And then we saw "yeah, it's[br]functioning." 0:17:32.897,0:17:35.262 Next thing was that we developed 0:17:35.385,0:17:36.805 [laughter] 0:17:36.933,0:17:42.993 a kind of absorption with carton 0:17:44.943,0:17:49.539 and the funny thing when we went[br]to Switzerland and said to the officials 0:17:49.539,0:17:54.534 "Yeah, you know, we're a bunch of[br]punk rock idiots working in 0:17:54.534,0:17:57.869 humanitarian aid but we have this idea,[br]we could throw things 0:17:57.869,0:17:59.817 out of normal parachuting machines, 0:17:59.817,0:18:01.887 because you can find them all over[br]the world, 0:18:01.887,0:18:03.756 because all over the world,[br]people do this sport. 0:18:04.367,0:18:09.372 And it's pretty cheap, and we could reach[br]valleys that are not reachable yet". 0:18:09.860,0:18:10.920 They said 0:18:10.920,0:18:12.627 "Do you know what the problem is? 0:18:12.627,0:18:15.915 Every country has to have this air drop[br]capacity." 0:18:17.252,0:18:25.575 This is like, I don't know, regularly[br]from the international air travel something 0:18:25.575,0:18:30.490 and they said "We, in Switzerland,[br]we solve this again with the military. 0:18:30.490,0:18:35.414 We have to pay like 24,000€ an hour[br]to do this because we do this 0:18:35.414,0:18:37.369 with helicopters. 0:18:37.613,0:18:41.909 You offer us a solution that, if it's[br]working out, is working with 0:18:41.909,0:18:44.761 2,000€ an hour." 0:18:45.012,0:18:50.372 So they said "If your system is working,[br]you will be immediately assigned 0:18:50.372,0:18:54.846 as an official humanitarian air drop[br]capacity in Switzerland." 0:18:56.922,0:19:00.911 We started 1.5 years ago and then 0:19:04.157,0:19:05.784 what's called ??? 0:19:08.548,0:19:14.365 building in Berlin to renew old trucks[br]to bring to Northern Syria 0:19:15.177,0:19:19.168 and then we thought "Let's use this space,[br]let's look for solutions 0:19:19.168,0:19:20.633 for humanitarian problems." 0:19:21.526,0:19:26.650 And the idea was, in the beginning, just[br]to bring together nerds, geeks, people 0:19:26.650,0:19:32.341 out of the field, refugees who know best[br]what will help them in the crises, 0:19:32.341,0:19:35.595 specialists, universities, stuff like that. 0:19:35.838,0:19:40.271 What started like "Let's see[br]if it could happen." 0:19:40.271,0:19:46.525 comes out as, this year in July, we will[br]throw out some boxes with parachutes 0:19:46.525,0:19:49.696 out of airplanes and we'll perhaps have 0:19:49.696,0:19:53.320 the first worldwide airborne emergency[br]response unit. 0:19:56.568,0:19:59.819 So, yes, we saw there is a big need[br]for these things. 0:20:00.388,0:20:06.687 At the moment, we don't have a lot of[br]IT projects, we have some ideas and 0:20:06.687,0:20:13.356 we would like to grow our network,[br]because we have nerds from the CCC 0:20:13.356,0:20:17.730 sitting around there, but at the moment[br]they ??? to do something with ??? 0:20:23.686,0:20:28.117 but this makerspace is a makerspace like[br]you know it. 0:20:28.777,0:20:31.013 You have an open space, everybody could[br]come in. 0:20:31.378,0:20:33.667 We have only the regular toys[br]and we say 0:20:33.668,0:20:37.808 "Everything that is developed should be[br]with a focus on humanitarian aid and 0:20:38.074,0:20:40.801 everything that we develop has to be[br]open source 0:20:41.411,0:20:44.615 so that people can use it worldwide." 0:20:46.286,0:20:48.969 If you would like to get in contact[br]with us, 0:20:48.969,0:20:51.526 www.cadus.org 0:20:51.526,0:20:57.341 We have all this fancy stuff like facebook,[br]twitter and that you can find 0:20:57.341,0:20:59.170 on the homepage. 0:21:00.554,0:21:02.628 Thank you very much for your attention. 0:21:05.336,0:21:11.261 [Applause] 0:21:15.414,0:21:17.202 Are there questions? 0:21:27.568,0:21:33.167 [Q] Hi, thank you for the talk. I'm not sure[br]if you know about an organization, 0:21:33.167,0:21:37.725 I think it's only french at the moment,[br]which is called HAND, which is 0:21:37.725,0:21:40.444 Hackers Against Natural Disasters 0:21:40.444,0:21:46.533 It's basically a non-profit which tries[br]to help local populations 0:21:46.533,0:21:53.576 in case of natural disasters, mostly[br]they were in ??? for the typhoon 0:21:53.576,0:21:56.546 in french islands in the Carribean 0:21:56.546,0:22:02.195 and they tried to set up some kind of[br]infrastructures, IT infrastructures. 0:22:02.195,0:22:07.803 There are ham radios and they tried to[br]set up internet and stuff like that so 0:22:07.803,0:22:11.297 people can actually use communications 0:22:11.297,0:22:14.268 and they tried to set up like 3G networks. 0:22:16.328,0:22:18.781 I think it's only french but they have[br]a great, 0:22:19.043,0:22:23.811 I don't know a lot about them, but I think[br]they have a quite hacker spirit. 0:22:25.510,0:22:30.555 ??? cooperation with you. 0:22:31.613,0:22:33.888 [A] This is really perfect, thank you[br]very much. 0:22:34.946,0:22:37.957 There are actually a lot of groups[br]like this worldwide. 0:22:38.273,0:22:43.795 For example, we are now part of the GIG,[br]the Global Innovation Gathering which are 0:22:43.795,0:22:45.714 50 maker spaces all over the world. 0:22:46.363,0:22:49.903 There are small organizations that are[br]really interesting. 0:22:50.758,0:22:56.896 The problem is, it's hard to find[br]your space in this humanitarian world 0:22:56.896,0:23:01.893 because big organizations really[br]close down the access to this, 0:23:01.893,0:23:04.968 the access to big amounts of money, 0:23:04.968,0:23:10.791 so contacts are always welcome because[br]I think we can only reach something 0:23:10.994,0:23:14.937 if we form better and bigger networks. 0:23:23.100,0:23:29.523 [Q] In areas of crisis, and especially[br]in war, it's hard to understand 0:23:29.523,0:23:35.249 which interests are on which side or[br]are there any goods in this. 0:23:35.494,0:23:37.891 How to you avoid to become[br]a useful idiot? 0:23:39.839,0:23:41.958 [A] I think… 0:23:47.159,0:23:52.001 I don't avoid it and humanitarians are[br]a kind of useful idiots. 0:23:52.689,0:23:56.266 In the humanitarian sector, there are[br]two main pictures about 0:23:56.266,0:23:57.772 humanitarian aid. 0:23:58.214,0:24:01.926 It was Henri Dunant who founded[br]the red cross, who said like 0:24:01.926,0:24:07.656 "Yes, there is a war. Yes, obviously[br]these are assholes that shoot at each other 0:24:07.656,0:24:09.892 but in the end they're humans. 0:24:10.214,0:24:13.470 So once they're laying down on the floor,[br]they deserve to be treated like humans. 0:24:13.470,0:24:17.247 I know that if I treat him and[br]he's fit again, 0:24:17.247,0:24:19.236 perhaps he goes out again and[br]shoots again." 0:24:20.170,0:24:24.031 And there was the other person,[br]Florence Nightingale at the same time. 0:24:24.356,0:24:28.137 She said, like, "Humanitarian aid[br]should mean 'only these people 0:24:28.137,0:24:33.376 get humanitarian aid who bond themselves[br]to these humanitarian principles'. 0:24:33.904,0:24:37.763 So, a soldier that got shot down, I won't[br]treat him if I'm not sure 0:24:37.763,0:24:38.980 that he won't go out again." 0:24:41.373,0:24:47.148 In the meanwhile, I think the humanitarian[br]world stuck totally to the model of Dunant 0:24:47.148,0:24:48.847 and for us it's the same. 0:24:49.100,0:24:52.227 I treated people who fought for ISIS[br]in Mossoul definitely. 0:24:53.534,0:24:57.068 Because in my opinion, if I go there[br]and say 0:24:57.068,0:25:04.304 "I am the medic and the judge at the same[br]time", then it's really strange. 0:25:04.791,0:25:07.956 There have to be other people to judge[br]over this. 0:25:09.747,0:25:14.164 As a humanitarian aid worker, you are[br]little bit helpful idiot all the way. 0:25:15.661,0:25:19.661 The other discussion is definitely[br]a question about 0:25:19.661,0:25:25.059 if humanitarian aid brings anything or[br]if it's just like a machine 0:25:25.059,0:25:28.440 that tries to run itself again and again[br]and again… 0:25:29.009,0:25:30.556 Like this help industry. 0:25:31.490,0:25:36.441 This, we try to avoid with not playing[br]after the same rules. 0:25:37.628,0:25:41.039 We are not into, I don't know. 0:25:41.405,0:25:46.564 Every 2 or 3 years there is a new theme[br]that you have to surf. 0:25:46.897,0:25:51.895 For example, now it's capacity building[br]in war zones. 0:25:53.358,0:25:57.260 We think it's pretty easy, we don't have[br]to follow these rules of 0:25:57.260,0:26:00.215 the humanitarian sector, the humanitarian[br]market. 0:26:00.537,0:26:04.407 We stuck with the humanitarian ideals[br]and we always try to work together 0:26:04.407,0:26:05.829 with the locals. 0:26:06.276,0:26:09.759 And, yes, for sure, you always have locals[br]who try to have their share 0:26:09.759,0:26:13.872 out of these crises, but if you talk[br]to the locals, talk to different locals 0:26:13.872,0:26:18.102 several organizations together, you will[br]see who's really working on the ground 0:26:18.102,0:26:21.153 just to help the people and we try to[br]support these. 0:26:22.573,0:26:29.197 Like I said, we don't produce or develop[br]solutions that we can sell. 0:26:29.512,0:26:34.729 It's all open source, so I hope it helps[br]to avoid a little bit 0:26:34.729,0:26:37.196 to support the wrong people. 0:26:40.008,0:26:41.754 Any further questions? 0:26:44.028,0:26:48.166 [Q] Hi, awesome work. Have you considered[br]3D printing to maybe come up with 0:26:48.166,0:26:49.876 spare parts or let… 0:26:49.876,0:26:50.939 [A] Sorry, again? 0:26:50.939,0:26:52.171 [Q] Have you considered 3D printing? 0:26:52.751,0:26:56.974 [A] Yes, there are actually organizations[br]who are doing this. 0:26:58.279,0:27:01.522 There one really cool organization[br]called Field Ready. 0:27:03.067,0:27:06.971 They're developing a database with[br]a lot of things like 0:27:06.971,0:27:12.323 the small thing you need to stop the[br]connection between a mother 0:27:12.323,0:27:14.802 and a baby, I don't know what the name[br]is in english. 0:27:15.293,0:27:20.213 And they develop a database so that[br]people can print these medical devices 0:27:20.213,0:27:22.359 in disaster areas, that's pretty cool. 0:27:24.632,0:27:28.041 At some moments, we tried, a few months ago 0:27:28.041,0:27:31.796 to get our hands on 3D printers but then[br]it's so expensive at the moment and 0:27:31.796,0:27:36.997 we are just more experienced with metal[br]and steel and stuff like that. 0:27:37.281,0:27:43.625 But we looked into this and at the moment[br]we're always doing too much unfortunately. 0:27:46.392,0:27:50.122 I wanted to buy one and then our colleagues[br]from CCC said 0:27:50.122,0:27:53.455 "Don't do that, you're not clever enough",[br]so… 0:27:55.201,0:27:58.003 "You'll destroy it! Waste money!" 0:28:00.970,0:28:02.915 But actually, for the tourniquet for example 0:28:02.915,0:28:05.361 there is a solution as well for 3D printing. 0:28:05.642,0:28:07.439 I just read an article a few days ago. 0:28:08.246,0:28:13.083 I think 3D printing is a kind of…[br]really close connected 0:28:13.083,0:28:15.315 to the future of humanitarian aid,[br]definitely. 0:28:18.441,0:28:20.106 Any further questions? 0:28:27.583,0:28:29.696 [Q] It's less question, more comment. 0:28:30.589,0:28:35.916 Because you showed that we have these[br]cool sexy solutions for technology 0:28:35.916,0:28:40.309 for finding dogs and in less developed[br]countries we have problems, but 0:28:40.309,0:28:44.859 it's also, like, we have problems with[br]disasters in all the world. 0:28:45.551,0:28:49.080 Look at what happened in New Orleans,[br]look at what is still happening 0:28:49.080,0:28:53.266 in Puerto Rico, which is supposedly[br]first world country, but has still 0:28:53.266,0:28:55.130 problems with electricity. 0:28:55.576,0:28:58.786 It's not that there are good countries[br]and bad countries, but we have 0:28:58.786,0:29:05.081 problems with all those global solutions[br]to recover. 0:29:05.773,0:29:12.107 I think that's a good approach to get[br]local people to organize and 0:29:12.107,0:29:15.075 to try to solve because they know[br]what is needed most. 0:29:16.701,0:29:19.226 [A] Totally. I think it's a fucked up thing[br]about capitalism. 0:29:19.754,0:29:23.005 If I live in a nice decent city like[br]Hamburg and I have a dog, 0:29:23.005,0:29:31.005 I will easily spend 10€ a month for an app[br]to find my dog, but I don't relate 0:29:31.005,0:29:35.235 to the thing that I could be on a zone[br]rubbish as well, 0:29:35.235,0:29:40.020 so I won't pay for a disaster app or[br]something like that 0:29:40.020,0:29:41.777 because it's not part of my daily life. 0:29:42.346,0:29:45.192 So no company will be willing to develop[br]something like this, 0:29:45.192,0:29:47.181 it's just like the rules of the market. 0:29:47.628,0:29:49.169 Silly but it is what it is. 0:29:53.030,0:29:54.341 Thank you very much for your attention. 0:29:54.669,0:29:56.212 Thanks a lot Sebastian again. 0:29:56.536,0:30:01.096 [Applause]