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In the middle of my Ph.D.,

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I was hopelessly stuck.

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Every research direction that I tried

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led to a dead end.

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It seemed like my basic assumptions

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just stopped working.

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I felt like a pilot flying through the mist,

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and I lost all sense of direction.

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I stopped shaving.

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I couldn't get out of bed in the morning.

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I felt unworthy

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of stepping across the gates of the university,

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because I wasn't like Einstein or Newton

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or any other scientist whose results

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I had learned about, because in science,

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we just learn about the results, not the process.

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And so obviously, I couldn't be a scientist.

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But I had enough support

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and I made it through

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and discovered something new about nature.

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This is an amazing feeling of calmness,

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being the only person in the world

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who knows a new law of nature.

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And I started the second project in my Ph.D,

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and it happened again.

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I got stuck and I made it through.

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And I started thinking,

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maybe there's a pattern here.

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I asked the other graduate students, and they said,

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"Yeah, that's exactly what happened to us,

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except nobody told us about it."

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We'd all studied science as if it's a series

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of logical steps between question and answer,

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but doing research is nothing like that.

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At the same time, I was also studying

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to be an improvisation theater actor.

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So physics by day,

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and by night, laughing, jumping, singing,

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playing my guitar.

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Improvisation theater,

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just like science, goes into the unknown,

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because you have to make a scene onstage

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without a director, without a script,

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without having any idea what you'll portray

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or what the other characters will do.

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But unlike science,

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in improvisation theater, they tell you from day one

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what's going to happen to
you when you get onstage.

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You're going to fail miserably.

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You're going to get stuck.

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And we would practice staying creative

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inside that stuck place.

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For example, we had an exercise

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where we all stood in a circle,

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and each person had to do
the world's worst tap dance,

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and everybody else applauded

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and cheered you on,

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supporting you onstage.

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When I became a professor

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and had to guide my own students

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through their research projects,

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I realized again,

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I don't know what to do.

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I'd studied thousands of hours of physics,

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biology, chemistry,

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but not hour, not one concept

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on how to mentor, how to guide someone

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to go together into the unknown,

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about motivation.

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So I turned to improvisation theater,

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and I told my students from day one

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what's going to happen when you start research,

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and this has to do with our mental schema

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of what research will be like.

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Because you see, whenever people do anything,

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for example if I want to touch this blackboard,

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my brain first builds up a schema,

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a prediction of exactly what my muscles will do

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before I even start moving my hand,

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and if I get blocked,

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if my schema doesn't match reality,

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that causes extra stress called cognitive dissonance.

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That's why your schemas had better match reality.

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But if you believe the way science is taught,

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and if you believe textbooks, you're liable

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to have the following schema of research.

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If A is the question,

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and B is the answer,

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then research is a direct path.

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The problem is that if an experiment doesn't work,

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or a student gets depressed,

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it's perceived as something utterly wrong

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and causes tremendous stress.

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And that's why I teach my students

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a more realistic schema.

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Here's an example

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where things don't match your schema.

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(Laughter)

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(Applause)

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You know.

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So I teach my students a different schema.

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If A is the question,

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B is the answer,

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stay creative in the cloud,

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and you start going,

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and experiments don't work, experiments don't work,

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experiments don't work, experiments don't work,

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until you reach a place linked
with negative emotions

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where it seems like your basic assumptions

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stop making sense,

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like somebody yanked the carpet beneath your feet.

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And I call this place the cloud.

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Now you can be lost in the cloud

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for a day, a week, a month, a year,

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a whole career,

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but sometimes, if you're lucky enough

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and you have enough support,

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you can see in the materials at hand,

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or perhaps meditating on the shape of the cloud,

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a new answer,

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C, and you decide to go for it.

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And experiments don't work, experiments don't work,

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but you get there,

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and then you tell everyone about it

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by publishing a paper that reads A arrow C,

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which is a great way to communicate,

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but as long as you don't forget the path

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that brought you there.

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Now this cloud is an inherent part

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of research, an inherent part of our craft,

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because the cloud stands guard at the boundary.

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It stands guard at the boundary

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between the known

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and the unknown,

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because in order to discover something truly new,

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at least one of your basic
assumptions has to change,

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and that means that in science,

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we do something quite heroic.

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Every day, we try to bring ourselves

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to the boundary between
the known and the unknown

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and face the cloud.

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Now notice that I put B

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in the land of the known,

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because we knew about it in the beginning,

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but C is always more interesting

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and more important than B.

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So B is essential in order to get going,

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but C is much more profound,

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and that's the amazing thing about resesarch.

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Now just knowing that word, the cloud,

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has been transformational in my research group,

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because students come to me and say,

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"Uri, I'm in the cloud,"

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and I say, "Great, you must be feeling miserable."

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(Laughter)

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But I'm kind of happy,

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because we might be close to the boundary

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between the known and the unknown,

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and we stand a chance of discovering

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something truly new,

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since the way our mind works,

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it's just knowing that the cloud, you know,

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is normal, it's essential,

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and in fact beautiful,

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we can join the Cloud Appreciation Society,

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and it detoxifies the feeling that something

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is deeply wrong with me.

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And as a mentor, I know what to do,

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which is to step up my support for the students,

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because research in psychology shows

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that if you're feeling fear and despair,

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your mind narrows down

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to very safe and conservative ways of thinking.

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If you'd like to explore the risky paths

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needed to get out of the cloud,

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you need other emotions

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—solidarity, support, hope—

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that come with your connection from somebody else,

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so like in improvisation theater,

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in science, it's best to walk into the unknown

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together.

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So knowing about the cloud,

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you also learn from improvisation theater

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a very effective way to have conversations

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inside the cloud.

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It's based on the central principle

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of improvisation theater,

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so here improvisation theater

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came to my help again.

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It's called saying "yes and"

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to the offers made by other actors.

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That means accepting the offers

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and building on them, saying "yes and."

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For example, if one actor says,

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"Here is a pool of water,"

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and the other actor says,

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"No, that's just a stage,"

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the improvisation is over.

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It's dead, and everybody feels frustrated.

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That's called blocking.

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If you're not mindful of communications,

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scientific conversations can have a lot of blocking.

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Saying "yes and" sounds like this.

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"Here is a pool of water."
"Yeah, let's jump in."

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"Look, there's a whale! Let's grab it by its tail.

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It's pulling us to the moon!"

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So saying "yes and" bypasses our inner critic.

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We all have an inner critic

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that kind of guards what we say,

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so people don't think that we're obscene

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or crazy or unoriginal,

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and science is full of the fear

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of appearing unoriginal.

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Saying "yes and" bypasses the critic

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and unlocks the hidden voices of creativity

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you didn't even know that you had,

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and they often carry the answer

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about the cloud.

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So you see, knowing about the cloud

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and about saying "yes and"

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made my lab very creative.

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Students started playing off of each others' ideas,

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and we made surprising discoveries

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in the interface between physics and biology.

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For example, we were stuck for a year

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trying to understand the intricate

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biochemical networks inside our cells,

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and we said, "We are deeply in the cloud,"

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and we had a playful conversation

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where my student [??] said,

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"Let's just draw this on a
piece of paper, this network,"

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and instead of saying,

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"But we've done that so many times

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and it doesn't work,"

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I said, "Yes and

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let's use a very big piece of paper,"

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and then Ron Milo said,

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"Let's use a gigantic architect's

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blueprint kind of paper, and I know where to print it,"

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and we printed out the network and looked at it,

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and that's where we made
our most important discovery,

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that this complicated network is just made

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of a handful of simple repeating interaction patterns

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like motifs in a stained glass window.

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We call them network motifs,

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and they're the elementary circuits

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that help us understand

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the logic of the way cells make decisions

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in all organisms, including our body.

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Soon enough, after this,

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I started being invited to give talks

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to thousands of scientists across the world,

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but the knowledge about the cloud

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and saying "yes and"

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just stayed within my own lab,

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because you see, in science,

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we don't talk about the process,

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anything subjective or emotional.

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We talk about the results.

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So there was no way to talk about it in conferences.

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That was unthinkable.

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And I saw scientists in other groups get stuck

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without even having a word to describe

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what they're seeing,

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and their ways of thinking

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narrowed down to very safe paths,

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their science didn't reach its full potential,

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and they were miserable.

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I thought, that's the way it is.

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I'll try to make my lab as creative as possible,

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and if everybody else does the same,

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science will eventually become

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more and more better and better.

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That way of thinking got turned on its head

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when by chance I went to hear Evelyn Fox Keller

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give a talk about her experiences

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as a woman in science.

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And she asked,

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"Why is it that we don't talk about the subjective

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and emotional aspects of doing science?

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It's not by chance. It's a matter of values."

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You see, science seeks knowledge

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that's objective and rational.

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That's the beautiful thing about science.

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But we also have a cultural myth

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that the doing of science,

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what we do every day to get that knowledge,

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is also only objective and rational,

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like Mr. Spock.

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And when you label something

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as objective and rational,

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automatically, the other side,

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the subjective and emotional,

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become labeled as non-science

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or anti-science or threatening to science,

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and we just don't talk about it.

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And when I heard that,

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that science has a culture,

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everything clicked into place for me,

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because if science has a culture,

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culture can be changed,

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and I can be a change agent

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working to change the culture
of science wherever I could.

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And so the very next lecture I gave in a conference,

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I talked about my science,

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and then I talked about the importance

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of the subjective and emotional
aspects of doing science

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and how we should talk about them,

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and I looked at the audience,

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and they were cold.

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They couldn't hear what I was saying

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in the context of a 10 back-to-back

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PowerPoint presentation conference.

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And I tried again and again,
conference after conference,

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but I wasn't getting through.

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I was in the cloud.

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And eventually I managed to get out the cloud

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using improvisation and music.

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Since then, every conference I go to,

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I give a science talk and a second, special talk

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called "Love and Fear in the Lab,"

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and I start it off by doing a song

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about scientists' greatest fear,

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which is that we work hard,

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we discovered something new,

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and somebody else publishes it before we do.

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We call it being scooped,

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and being scooped feels horrible.

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It makes us afraid to talk to each other,

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which is no fun,

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because we came to science to share our ideas

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and to learn from each other,

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and so I do a blues song,

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which — (Applause) —

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called "Scooped Again,"

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and I ask the audience to be my backup singers,

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and I tell them, "Your text is 'Scoop, Scoop.'"

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It sounds like this. Scoop, scoop!

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Sounds like this.

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♪ I've been scooped again ♪

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♪ Scoop! Scoop! ♪

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And then we go for it.

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♪ I've been scooped again ♪

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♪ Scoop! Scoop! ♪

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♪ I've been scooped again ♪

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♪ Scoop! Scoop! ♪

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♪ I've been scooped again ♪

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♪ Scoop! Scoop! ♪

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♪ I've been scooped again ♪

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♪ Scoop! Scoop! ♪

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♪ Oh mama, can't you feel my pain ♪

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♪ Heavens help me, I've been scooped again ♪

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(Applause)

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your backup singing.

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So everybody starts laughing, starts breathing,

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notices that there's other scientists around them

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with shared issues,

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and we start talking about the emotional

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and subjective things that go on in research.

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It feels like a huge taboo has been lifted.

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Finally, we can talk about
this in a scientific conference.

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And scientists have gone on to form peer groups

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where they meet regularly

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and create a space to talk about the emotional

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and subjective things that
happen as they're mentoring,

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as they're going into the unknown,

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and even started courses

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about the process of doing science,

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about going into the unknown together,

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and many other things.

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So my vision is that,

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just like every scientist knows the word "atom,"

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that matter is made out of atoms,

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every scientist would know the words

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like "the cloud," saying "yes and,"

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and science will become much more creative,

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make many, many more unexpected discoveries

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for the benefit of us all,

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and would also be much more playful.

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And what I might ask you to remember from this talk

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is that next time you face

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a problem you can't solve

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in work or in life,

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there's a word for what you're going to see:

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the cloud.

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And you can go through the cloud

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not alone but together

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with someone who is your source of support

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to say "yes and" to your ideas,

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to help you say "yes and" to your own ideas,

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to increase the chance that,

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through the wisps of the cloud,

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you'll find that moment of calmness

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where you get your first glimpse

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of your unexpected discovery,

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your C.

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Thank you.

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(Applause)