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My name is Laura Arjona and

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my name is Francesca Ciceri

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And this is the localization workshop

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Localization or translation. We say 
localization because its the process


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that envolve a bit more than 
translation. Maybe you also need

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to change date formats or the 
text orientation, or to have a

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software in your own language. Ok?

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For this to be done the software 
needs to be prepared and this process

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of preparing the software is internalization.
Is a software engineering process

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to make a program ready for translation. 
So people not beeing programers can

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translate the software.

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And debian is very well internationalized
so we have lots of things we can translate

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without even touching a line of code.

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The debian installer, the debconf 
templates that Miriam talked a bit ago,


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the descriptions of the packages, when 
you search for package website or the

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software center or in synaptics or
anything, the manuals documentation

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of debian I mean, and of course the
information that the Debian Project

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produces, the website, the press releases,
the debian project news, wiki, everything

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So for many people the most important 
thing is the debian installer.

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That you can install debian, many people 
dont know english or they dont want to use

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english, so its nice that debian installer
is in their own language and thanks for

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Christian Perrier and all the people in 
the different language teams,

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we have the installer in many languages
and we are still improving that, ok ?

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No? Yeah! this is your turn ...

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Thank you, ok! Then there are debconf
template, Miriam told about debconf

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messages in the previous talk, and they 
are messages sent by the system when you

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are installing a new package and they just
need ask on a prompt to the user

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about configuring the package and so.

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And there are translatable files, po files
and you can use different tools to

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translate them, as the translation is done
is submitted directly to the bug tracking

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system - the BTS to the relevant package.
And there are stats ...

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We will do it ...

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My laptop is dying ...
You have to support it ...

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Wait a minute we have a backup laptop...

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I'm back ...

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And here are the stats for the translation
of debconf messages from the different

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teams, you can see that Spanish is at 95 %
so you're not doing perfectly, but

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you're doing well, better than Italian at
least, and Catalan is 45% , you need to

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work more , really really. Ok

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You can also translate or help translating
the descriptions of the packages. And this

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is an interface very, very easy, you just
have the description in english and

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here's a text box where you put the same
description in your language, and press a

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button, submit and that's all. Later
another person can review it, and improve

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it, but its very easy, you don't have to 
do anything, just go to one webpage, read

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and translate to your language.

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There's other documents that we use to 
translate...

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The release notes and the installation 
guide which we translate them obviously

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with each new release,and there are other 
manuals that are not as much updated, so

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the as the translation is done there's not
much to do.

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And this kind of documentation is managed
by the debian documentation project that

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has a specific workflow and a specific
repository, all this kind of translations:

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the debconf messages, the website, the 
documentation have their own workflow.

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They are managed sometimes by different
teams besides the local language team.

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And finally the website, I said before
that the installer was very important but

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the debian website is very important too,
because people need to go there to

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download debian and if they cannot 
understand the website probably they

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will manage to download the iso file and
install it. Also the website is something

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that's all the time producing new content
and updating content, so there is always

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work to be done in the website translation
team. And is also quite easy, just like

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someone said before, just read and send
emails, this is the same.

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The most important thing is to understand
the philosophy, its a team work, your

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work needs to be reviewed by other people
and you need to review the translations

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that other people do, if you do like that
everything goes very well.

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And we have also a robot (a bot) that 
understand emails the similar way

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sent to the bug tracking system for the 
translations we just sent that read the

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subject with the file that you want to
translate and what you going to do with

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that. The robot understands that and
generate the pages with the statistics

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and the situation of each file so 
everybody knows in each situation is the

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translation. As you understand as it works
its very easy to continue work that was

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done by other people. From the beginning
can be very strange but it works very well

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And there is obviously different tools for
the different kind of translation you're

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going to do. For the debconf messages you
can use some specific po editors, but I

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actually use a text editor, which is really
good as well i mean basically its a text

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file, so you can edit it with any text
editor. For the website we have again a

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text editor, but you need to have at least
a personal checkout of a repository of

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this site to build a page and check that
everything is ok (and I told also your part)

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About consistency in translation, well it
used to be at least at the Italian team

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we try to be consistent having a glossary
and keeping track of what is the

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translation specific for. But its really
dependent of the team. I have no idea

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about the Spanish and the Catalan teams.

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Normally each team has some rules or you
can ask for example with Spanish we have

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informal you and formal you, so when you 
need to translate you have to know that in

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debian we treat the you instead

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This kind of rules are normally discussed
in the mailing lists and sometimes a file

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is written with all the rules or the most
important and its uploaded to the website

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somewhere. So if you have that you can do
things, ask the mailing list or just read

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and try to follow the same style that you

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are already reading in your own language
If you come from another project maybe the

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other project has another kind of rules, so
If you are translating for debian ask first

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for those rules, if you don't agree with
the rules you can discuss about the rules

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too in the mailing list and well good luck...

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Probably you would think that all this
translation is very complicated

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we are talking about debconf, po, mailing
with some strange subjetcs

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in fact everything has the same philosophy
you just ask:" I want to translate this and

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then you send your translation as proposal,
other people comment about the translation

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Then you send the final or the one you
think its the final one and when everybody

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agrees to the translation somebody uploads
it to the website or BTS or to anyplace

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Its the same philosophy ask for reservation
I want to translate this, you translate

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at home. Then you send your proposal,
comments after that you send a last chance

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for comments, your final version and after
that you or a person with permission uploads

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the file to the correct repository and we
keep the difficult bureaucracy as debian

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is a very big project if you don't follow
some protocols at the end people work

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double so it's better to follow the
protocols and everything goes very well

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And you have to keep in mind we are a team
maybe other people have to finish your work

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because you start and later you don't
finish so if you follow the protocols other

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people can finish your work and you can
finish the work of other people pretty well

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That's what I say... but anyway you don't
need to know everything you don't need to

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do everything, debian is very big, you just
have to focus in something and try to do that

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Choose the part where you feel comfortable
even in translation there are many different

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kind of things, people from the old school
like people knowing po files, gettext and

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translate the documentation of debconf
templates, the new people, people coming

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from the web world can use the DDTS
the package descriptions because they just

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have to go to the website and fill in a form
or translate the wiki pages, its just an

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edit in the page, creating a new page in 
your language and put the same content in

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your language, its very easy, or the website
its also edited in a text file its very easy

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And this is my favorite, the super lazy mode
you just read what others people do and give

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your opinion, so you know your language so
even you don't need to know English

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You just read what other people translate
and you say here's a typo, its not

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understandable, this grammar is wrong and
that's all that kind of work its needed too

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Even you only know English you are important
for the translation teams because the people

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native english are very useful for
reviewing then work, the descriptions that

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non native English debian developers write
or for example the content for the website

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that is written by the Spanish people or
French people or Chinese People, if somebody

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know English very well just read that and
try to improve it, and this is very very

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welcome, so you can not escape, you know
one language at least you cannot escape the

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translation teams.

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And some tips, better contribute with
something than not contribute with anything

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Even a typo, if you don't want to be a
translator for debian you can start in a

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translation team and later you can find
another thing to do, but start from our part

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And say hello to the list, because we use
the mailing for communication so first say

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hello and keep in mind that we are a team,
somebody is reading the list, don't worry

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Sometimes I think when you are new in a team
it's kind of Olympic shooting, you receive

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many many mails in the list, 'I want to
translate this, this is wrong ...'

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and you just don't know what to do, you
just introduce yourself and say I want

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collaborate and that's all, please help me,
No you don't have to do that, you

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just have to focus on a small thing, focus
there and shoot, and when you finish repeat

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It like shooting ...

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And again trust in the community if you
don't say anything:'I don't know how to

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translate this, or this translation is too
big, I regret that I send this reservation

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I don't want to translate it anymore, if
you don't say we cannot guess it

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so say Hello

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If you became a translator you'll be famous


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Translations are credited from the very
beginning, you will see it in the statistics

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page the name of the person asking a
reservation "I want to do that it's

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written there", if you don't want you
just use a nickname or something, no problem

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And you will be proud to be a debian
contributor with a very new hot debian

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contributors, and you also can be proud of

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being a non uploading debian developer, not
only being a translator you can be a full

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member of the debian project, also there are
good things you can improve for other things

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different than debian, you improve or mother
language and English too, and this is a good

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thing for getting a new job for example, if
you speak very well people think you are an

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elegant person, you make debian very
friendly because it's in your language

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your mother can use it and your son or your
daughter can use it because ok now in the

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school they teach english but if its in his
or her mother language it's better and

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imagine your six/seven years old kid
installing debian and saying to their/his

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friends I'm installing my operating system
and i can understand because it's in my

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language.

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And also if you become a translator or
convince somebody to become a translator

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the debian community will be much bigger and
more diverse because just for the language

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diversity and the geographic diversity it
will much more diverse than only english

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speaking community and i think that's all.
That's only the theory part and now we are

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going to translate

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OK the idea basically is that now you are
locked in this room with us and you are

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forced to translate something. Are you up
to do this? Yes you are! Trust me !

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We want to try to do a couple of brief
translations in Spanish or in Catalan or

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in both, I don't now, it depends of how many
of you speak Spanish or Catalan here ...

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I don't speak either so I'm OK, and we doing
this for a webpage debian.org and for a

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debconf template of gobby because is one 
of Spanish with less work , I mean there

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are only four strings. So if you have
installed or want to do it, gobby 0.4

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whatever i have the four one. You can connect
to gobby.debian.org and you can see the

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document we are trying to translate, so if
you want to do it we can do it together ...

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Ah Ah lots of people here!

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While you install it, I'll try to show you
where are the debconf messages to translate

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I will take as an example the Spanish
because we are going to do one of this...

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This is the address, this is a page with
statistics about the translations of debconf

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messages for the Spanish team, and has you
can see here are important links specially

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this one with hints for translators, I 
invite to read it when you try to do it

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alone ate home, and here there are ...
this one, because apparently the Spanish

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team is doing really a good job translating