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Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.11,0:00:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hello, Pastor Tim.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.50,0:00:08.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a born again Christian and working on
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.46,0:00:12.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that close relationship with Jesus Christ.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.59,0:00:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your online videos have been a blessing.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.61,0:00:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's my dilemma:
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.77,0:00:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I work in the marketing department
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.30,0:00:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a hospital that is..."
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.83,0:00:24.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(I find this kind of confusing),
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.100,0:00:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"...in a hospital that is focused
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.46,0:00:31.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Gospel and Christianity.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.93,0:00:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, the base denomination
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.36,0:00:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this hospital system is Catholic.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.15,0:00:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, we have people of
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.69,0:00:43.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all denominations and belief systems
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.16,0:00:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout our hospitals and clinics.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.98,0:00:48.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the last five years \Nthat I've worked here,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.49,0:00:50.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have never opened a meeting
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.79,0:00:56.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a prayer to anyone \Nother than God and Jesus.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.82,0:00:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our health services are directed
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.74,0:01:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the manual:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.22,0:01:02.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Ethical and Religious Directives
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.45,0:01:04.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Catholic Healthcare Services,'
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.79,0:01:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as set forth by the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.68,0:01:09.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conference of Catholic Bishops.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.19,0:01:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I don't put any faith
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.29,0:01:13.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into what the Catholic church
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.70,0:01:15.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teaches or instructs,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.61,0:01:17.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as praying to Mary, saints,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.29,0:01:19.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confessions through priests, etc.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.38,0:01:22.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is your opinion and recommendation
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.30,0:01:24.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of me continuing to work \Nin this environment?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.85,0:01:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for your opinion.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.21,0:01:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alissa."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.84,0:01:35.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I find it to be a \Nfairly frequent question,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.72,0:01:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially when you're in a church
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.38,0:01:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you're seeing some new converts.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.44,0:01:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we're getting new people
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.76,0:01:48.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saved in the church,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.89,0:01:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this can be a fairly regular thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.63,0:01:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the truth is when \Nwe were back at Fatty's,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.24,0:01:57.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember (meeting at the restaurant) -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.14,0:01:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember when Charles \NLeiter came down here.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.74,0:02:01.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He told me that he was amazed
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.82,0:02:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he was asking people
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.60,0:02:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about their testimonies,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.08,0:02:09.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he was just amazed
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.79,0:02:11.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at how many of the people had been saved
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.100,0:02:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the last year.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.80,0:02:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, I don't know if anybody remembers
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.32,0:02:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that may have been there
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.71,0:02:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the very first Fellowship Conference
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.79,0:02:23.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it was held in Norman, Oklahoma.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.93,0:02:27.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charles actually asked everybody there
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.43,0:02:30.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to raise their hands if they'd been saved
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.26,0:02:31.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the previous twelve months,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.87,0:02:34.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was amazing how many hands went up.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.17,0:02:37.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you have that many new believers,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.54,0:02:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you tend to run into \Na lot of these questions
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.24,0:02:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about: okay, God saved me;
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.60,0:02:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now I'm having some problems
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.67,0:02:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to figure out whether \Nmy work situation is right;
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.45,0:02:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether this is where I should stay.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.03,0:03:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, some are black and white.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.16,0:03:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a no-brainer.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.42,0:03:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Give me some examples
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.76,0:03:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of some that are no-brainers.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.50,0:03:15.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(from the room)
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.61,0:03:17.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Working in an abortion clinic.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.19,0:03:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tim: You work in an abortion clinic.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.53,0:03:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're an abortion doctor.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.86,0:03:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're performing abortions.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.32,0:03:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You get saved. No-brainer.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.94,0:03:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't kill children.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.30,0:03:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're Hector Martinez.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.56,0:03:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're working on the \Nborder for the cartel.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.14,0:03:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You get saved.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.76,0:03:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, you stop shooting people, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.18,0:03:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are some other no-brainers?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.91,0:03:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I know we've had
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.98,0:03:51.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a young lady working \Nfor a gentlemen's club -
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.76,0:03:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of a no-brainer.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.36,0:03:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are some maybe other examples?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.88,0:04:01.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(unintelligible)
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.62,0:04:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I'm not going to put \Nthat one in the grey area.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.82,0:04:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Being a bartender.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.84,0:04:13.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now you may think that's a no-brainer.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.39,0:04:16.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I want to put it in the grey area
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.43,0:04:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's not exactly like these.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.04,0:04:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How about anybody know Richard Bennett?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.43,0:04:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was a Catholic priest.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.06,0:04:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He got saved.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.25,0:04:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He stopped being a Catholic priest.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.38,0:04:34.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's the thing about all those examples
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.34,0:04:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I say they're no-brainers.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.96,0:04:39.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The individual themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.65,0:04:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were being required to sin
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.68,0:04:45.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do what they did.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.86,0:04:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you're a bartender,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.28,0:04:52.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's different.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.71,0:04:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're mixing drinks.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.34,0:04:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, if you actually have a conviction
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.84,0:05:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that alcohol is absolutely \Nforbidden in Scripture,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.04,0:05:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may say,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.54,0:05:08.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, I believe he's sinning.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.37,0:05:11.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I don't think that's \Nwhat Scripture teaches
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.63,0:05:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm not trying to advocate you all
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.68,0:05:18.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,run out and experiment.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.100,0:05:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I don't think that that necessarily
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.22,0:05:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in and of itself is causing the person
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.40,0:05:33.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to sin just in the way of mixing drinks.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.61,0:05:35.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, it may bring up another question:
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.74,0:05:37.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I causing other people to sin?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.80,0:05:39.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in causing other people to sin,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.65,0:05:43.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that bad? Am I doing bad?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.88,0:05:46.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you've got kind of the no-brainer
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.89,0:05:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you are being required to sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.12,0:05:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I think even there,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.70,0:05:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if I'm being required to sin,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.64,0:06:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I need to look at it and ask the question:
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.18,0:06:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the very job itself by the nature of it
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.60,0:06:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,requires me to sin?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.83,0:06:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, that of a \NCatholic priest - yes, it does.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.53,0:06:08.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously if I'm involved in the cartel -
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.54,0:06:09.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, it does.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.41,0:06:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, if I'm involved in abortion?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.56,0:06:28.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Absolutely.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.38,0:06:33.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I may actually be doing a job
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.91,0:06:38.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the job itself does not
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.45,0:06:41.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fundamentally require sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.15,0:06:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, let's say a used car dealership.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.19,0:06:48.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's say it's owned by \Na guy that's crooked,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.29,0:06:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if you work for him,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.90,0:06:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're going to take advantage of people
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.88,0:06:53.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're going to lie to people
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.56,0:06:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're going to tell them -
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.27,0:06:57.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,James and I met with somebody today
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.11,0:06:59.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's like they basically told him
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.49,0:07:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little old couple owned the van.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.99,0:07:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, right. Used salesman.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.70,0:07:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A little old lady that only drove \Nit to church on Sundays.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.89,0:07:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I'm working for a used car dealership
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.91,0:07:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm being expected to lie
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.93,0:07:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and cheat people,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.26,0:07:19.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and suddenly I get saved,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.99,0:07:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that job actually is actually a job
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.94,0:07:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be done \Nhonestly and faithfully.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.88,0:07:28.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you kind of have to differentiate
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.94,0:07:32.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you're dealing with:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.06,0:07:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should I quit the job?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.27,0:07:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ruby's brother was a classic example.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.44,0:07:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He worked for a major shipping company -
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.44,0:07:49.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,truck freight.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.01,0:07:52.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These bill of ladings would come in
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.33,0:07:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the shipments.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.72,0:07:56.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know what they'd do?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.72,0:08:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would basically \Nlook on there and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.44,0:08:07.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,okay, we've got 46 \Nstereos on these pallets.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.44,0:08:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they'd go through and count.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.34,0:08:12.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if they counted 48,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.19,0:08:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we got us two stereos.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.33,0:08:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who can ever account for them?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.86,0:08:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The paperwork says 46.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.44,0:08:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that kind of stuff would happen
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.22,0:08:21.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a regular basis.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.99,0:08:24.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rick said they had lots of stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.78,0:08:26.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, often when they're shipping,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.85,0:08:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it seems like they overship.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.83,0:08:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so these guys,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.88,0:08:36.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they skimmed off all the extra,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.63,0:08:38.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.65,0:08:42.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rick got saved.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.27,0:08:45.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now he wasn't being \Nspecifically asked to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.72,0:08:49.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But see, these are the kinds \Nof things we have to ask.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.79,0:08:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is the job requiring me to sin?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.50,0:08:53.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is the nature of the job
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.91,0:08:57.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I can't do this job without sinning
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.33,0:09:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's like an abortion doctor -
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.53,0:09:02.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't do the job without sinning.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.43,0:09:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, that's a no-brainer.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.24,0:09:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then you have to kind of look at:
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.15,0:09:13.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,okay, is this a job that causes
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.27,0:09:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other people to sin?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.87,0:09:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now what are some examples of jobs
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.00,0:09:19.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could cause other people to sin?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.89,0:09:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps the bartender.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.08,0:09:25.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anybody got any others?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.17,0:09:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean we've had a young lady
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.60,0:09:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our own church that has wrestled
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.00,0:09:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with being a pharmacist
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.64,0:09:36.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because pharmacists are \Nsupposed to dispense
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.33,0:09:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,abortive-type birth control
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.36,0:09:44.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she won't do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.80,0:09:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's something.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.58,0:09:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know one that's often a big one
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.46,0:09:52.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people wrestle \Nwith is being a soldier
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.06,0:09:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or perhaps being a police officer.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.18,0:09:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, could you imagine \Nbeing on a SWAT team?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.36,0:09:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.88,0:10:00.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these are areas where people
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.19,0:10:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to wrestle.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.60,0:10:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, if you got saved
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.42,0:10:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you were the janitor in a casino,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.77,0:10:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could you keep going?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.55,0:10:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, is there anything about that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.61,0:10:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in and of itself -
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.40,0:10:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could you do it?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.29,0:10:26.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or how about if you're a biology teacher
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.01,0:10:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are absolutely expecting you
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.80,0:10:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to teach evolution
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.46,0:10:33.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and suddenly you get saved?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.20,0:10:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you do it?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.48,0:10:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, these are the kind of questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.60,0:10:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And another big one \Nthat comes up oftentimes
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.20,0:10:45.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is like David Gonzales.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.45,0:10:48.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He told his work:
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.21,0:10:50.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, don't schedule me for Sundays.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.09,0:10:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And whether you're a Sabbatarian or not
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.25,0:10:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are Christians who say
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.21,0:10:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't schedule me on Sundays.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.70,0:11:00.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And some people are \Npretty adamant about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.57,0:11:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even when they interview.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.83,0:11:07.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you get tested.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.39,0:11:10.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They try to get you to work on Sunday.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.34,0:11:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether it's a conviction \Nor it's just that you
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.69,0:11:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to be in church
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.65,0:11:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you don't want to miss the meetings.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.04,0:11:19.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have to ask ourselves this:
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.85,0:11:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I being required to sin all the time?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.44,0:11:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I should leave.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.08,0:11:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I not being required \Nto sin all the time
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.92,0:11:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but perhaps by what I do,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.49,0:11:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I encourage other people to sin?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.75,0:11:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can anybody think of a time
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.42,0:11:36.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it would be okay to stay in a job
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.55,0:11:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that encourages other people to sin?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.15,0:11:41.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(from the room)
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.74,0:11:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not exactly sure, but \Nsometimes I struggle with this.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.30,0:11:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're Microsoft
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.60,0:11:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some of the products we make
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.67,0:11:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are benign like Office,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.36,0:11:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also we make things like XBox,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.38,0:11:55.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some kids get addicted to this thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.79,0:11:58.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I know some really \Nbad things have happened
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.19,0:12:01.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the XBox and \Nbeing addicted to games,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.18,0:12:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so sometimes I feel kind of convicted
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.12,0:12:08.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I support different \Nservers that support XBox
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.46,0:12:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all these different \Nthings of that nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.10,0:12:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So sometimes I struggle \Nwith that a little bit.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.12,0:12:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tim: It's understandable.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.66,0:12:20.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even Craig and I worked for a firm
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.39,0:12:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up in Michigan
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.66,0:12:23.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we were basically dealing
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.19,0:12:24.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with spectator seating.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.63,0:12:27.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, spectator seating you could say,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.38,0:12:28.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah, could somebody go
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.97,0:12:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Madison Square Garden
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.56,0:12:32.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and listen to a preacher preach?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.69,0:12:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, they could.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.82,0:12:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By and large, what are they doing?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.48,0:12:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're watching basketball games,\Nthey're watching hockey games,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.52,0:12:40.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're watching boxing matches.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.35,0:12:42.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So is that bad?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.42,0:12:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, it's like, here I'm throwing my life
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.43,0:12:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into designing these components
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.46,0:12:51.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for massive spectator facilities,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.97,0:12:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wondered, is that the best thing
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.40,0:13:00.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be throwing my life into?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.58,0:13:03.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was able to work. \NI was able to give from it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.32,0:13:04.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it possible that those things
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.100,0:13:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could be used for good purposes?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.52,0:13:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.35,0:13:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are people by and large \Nwasting their lives away
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.12,0:13:16.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watching balls get put through hoops
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.23,0:13:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pucks getting put in nets?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.12,0:13:24.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On Judgment Day is it going \Nto be worth anything?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.61,0:13:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think we should conscientiously
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.50,0:13:28.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be exploring those things
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.95,0:13:34.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to our work.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.39,0:13:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happens is it's pretty often
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.40,0:13:40.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we get faced with situations
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.23,0:13:42.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that test our convictions.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.08,0:13:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you have your hand up?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.36,0:13:44.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(from the room)
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.10,0:13:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just thinking about Daniel
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.13,0:13:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working for Nebuchadnezzar
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.44,0:13:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.40,0:13:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what exactly they were doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.98,0:13:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tim: They were counselors.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.79,0:14:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were basically brought \Ninto the wise men that counseled.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.51,0:14:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But God specifically \Ntold them to go there.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.46,0:14:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically in their good, you'll have good.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.20,0:14:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And go there, plant, live.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.76,0:14:28.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bless them.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.46,0:14:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the thing we have to ask
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.29,0:14:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is is there any crime? Is there any sin?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.59,0:14:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there any immorality?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.06,0:14:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I think, is there \Nany false teaching?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.03,0:14:40.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I expected to proclaim lies
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.85,0:14:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I'm a teacher of any sort?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.12,0:14:46.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are the expectations?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.55,0:14:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can remember one time,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.15,0:14:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we got the Madison Square Garden job.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.01,0:15:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this whole massive seating structure,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.20,0:15:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole understructure -
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.32,0:15:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they didn't prime that properly.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.97,0:15:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they came in there
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.36,0:15:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they sat that whole thing down.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.18,0:15:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In most facilities it would \Nnot have been an issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.71,0:15:15.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They set it down on the \NNew York Rangers ice rink
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.94,0:15:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all that moisture coming up,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.52,0:15:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it rusted the whole thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.13,0:15:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember sitting in a meeting
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.29,0:15:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the firm I was in, a great big table,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.26,0:15:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all the engineers
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.54,0:15:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all the big wigs from \Nour company were in there
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.63,0:15:31.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this was a major catastrophe.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.86,0:15:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember the vice-\Npresident of that company,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.50,0:15:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he said: You (talking to all of us) -
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.50,0:15:43.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will lie to them if they inquire
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.07,0:15:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or ask any questions about this.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.00,0:15:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was there saying, uh-huh,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.24,0:15:54.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not going to lie.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.41,0:15:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was thinking about it today
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.01,0:15:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I was walking that I wasn't going to.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.84,0:16:03.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I did not challenge the \Nvice-president right there.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.61,0:16:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wrote him.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.56,0:16:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I told him that his soul's in danger
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.44,0:16:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he really needs to repent.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.84,0:16:20.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I wondered if I actually should have
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.69,0:16:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(incomplete thought).
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.22,0:16:26.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because here's the thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.100,0:16:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are children of light called to do?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.88,0:16:34.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this is an important point.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.81,0:16:36.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does Ephesians 5 say
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.25,0:16:39.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that children of light are supposed to do?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.17,0:16:42.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Expose the works of darkness.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.19,0:16:43.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here's the thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.72,0:16:45.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we want to be careful that we don't run
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.75,0:16:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from every situation out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.15,0:16:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think in a lot of situations,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.12,0:16:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we want to do is seek to be light.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.29,0:16:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, my brother-in-law
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.82,0:17:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,openly confronted the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.66,0:17:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He sought to be light.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.22,0:17:06.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(incomplete thought)
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.66,0:17:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had a friend out at \NCommunity Baptist Church -
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.50,0:17:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was a soldier.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.34,0:17:15.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this big auditorium full of people,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.07,0:17:18.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think he said \Nlike a five-star general
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.43,0:17:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was up on the platform
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.42,0:17:25.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he started by telling some crude joke.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.49,0:17:28.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This brother from down there,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.26,0:17:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he got up - he's a soldier -
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.05,0:17:37.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he got up and he was \Nwalking out down the aisle,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.62,0:17:40.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Mr. Five-star General called him out
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.93,0:17:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and said, son, where are you going?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.60,0:17:47.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in front of everybody, he said,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.73,0:17:51.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sir, I have the highest respect for you
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.33,0:17:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I just think that \Nthis is inappropriate.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.29,0:17:56.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.66,0:17:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He stopped that story,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.28,0:18:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he said, son, sit down.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.54,0:18:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he didn't tell the story
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.97,0:18:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he went right into his thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.84,0:18:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was like, John, you did that?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.47,0:18:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know what? That's good.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.52,0:18:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's being light.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.97,0:18:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we need that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.88,0:18:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The last thing we want to do
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.35,0:18:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is every difficult work situation,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.72,0:18:26.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we extract the Christian.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.29,0:18:27.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't want to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.51,0:18:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, you don't want to stay in a position
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.63,0:18:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you're being required to sin,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.00,0:18:34.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or where you're requiring \Nsomebody else to sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.63,0:18:35.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think the thing is
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.82,0:18:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before we just abscond
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.60,0:18:40.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and run from situations,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.35,0:18:45.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should seek to stay, if possible,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.88,0:18:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and never sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.52,0:18:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's one thing when \Nyou're thinking about this.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.82,0:18:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever situation you \Ndetermine to remain in,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.06,0:18:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just have to take this stance:
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.99,0:18:59.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am not going to sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.19,0:19:01.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's a place
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.58,0:19:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if you're being surrounded by sin,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.22,0:19:08.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the job doesn't necessitate sin,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.12,0:19:09.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you've got people around you
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.68,0:19:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are being dishonest \Nlike at the car lot
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.98,0:19:13.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in the shipping company,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.100,0:19:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even in the engineering \Nfirm I worked for
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.23,0:19:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you've got people that are lying
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.28,0:19:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or their conduct isn't (right).
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.54,0:19:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh man, I remember one time
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.98,0:19:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brother Craig, he went \Nback to the tool room -
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.44,0:19:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this was when he worked in Seguin -
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.76,0:19:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he went to the tool room
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.68,0:19:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he had to get something,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.58,0:19:41.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the man there that \Noperated the tool room
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.74,0:19:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had a foul mouth,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.32,0:19:47.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he just went off and said something,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.02,0:19:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Craig called him out on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.78,0:19:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Craig said the guy just blew up.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.72,0:20:03.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But again, I think that's what's critical.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.59,0:20:06.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're supposed to expose them.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.82,0:20:10.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So okay, it comes back to:
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.61,0:20:18.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've got somebody working \Nin a Catholic hospital.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.65,0:20:21.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.13,0:20:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suspect this:
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.64,0:20:24.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suspect that the average Christian,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.90,0:20:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it was a Lutheran hospital
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.31,0:20:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a Methodist hospital
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.72,0:20:30.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wouldn't think as much about it
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.09,0:20:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they do if it's a Catholic hospital.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.56,0:20:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'll tell you this,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.02,0:20:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Catholics don't have the Gospel,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.60,0:20:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but most Lutherans and most Methodists
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.10,0:20:42.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't have it either.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.30,0:20:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Incomplete thought)
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.07,0:20:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in fact, a lot of \NBaptists don't have it.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.98,0:20:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, here's the thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.74,0:20:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're working for a Catholic hospital.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.64,0:20:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I would say this - she says,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.84,0:21:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"a hospital that's focused on \Nthe Gospel and Christianity."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.83,0:21:02.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just put a question mark by that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.83,0:21:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I'm not certain
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.90,0:21:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exactly what that means.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.56,0:21:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure that Catholics are typically
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.32,0:21:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,focusing on the Gospel \Nor true Christianity,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.84,0:21:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but she's working for a hospital
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.64,0:21:19.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the marketing department.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.37,0:21:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm thinking she's \Nprobably not teaching.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.32,0:21:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's probably not being \Nindoctrinated herself.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.18,0:21:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's probably not being put in a position
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.42,0:21:31.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where she's being expected to embrace
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.39,0:21:33.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Catholic doctrine
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.20,0:21:34.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to propagate that doctrine.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.93,0:21:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm thinking if you work for a hospital...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.16,0:21:41.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,James: Well, she's \Na marketing person.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.75,0:21:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She could be involved \Nin publishing content.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.06,0:21:48.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She mentions specifically,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.35,0:21:50.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"they just pray to God or Jesus" -
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.100,0:21:52.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess her point was not to Mary.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.63,0:21:53.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My question would be:
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.93,0:21:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you sharing stuff on your Facebook?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.28,0:21:57.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or other places on the Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.99,0:22:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that promotes Mary and Catholic dogma?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.17,0:22:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tim: Yes, if you're in a \Nmarketing situation
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.36,0:22:06.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're having to compile literature,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.82,0:22:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,websites, any type of social media,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.57,0:22:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any type of advertisement whatsoever
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.25,0:22:19.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you are actually promoting
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.03,0:22:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Catholic church or its teachings,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.52,0:22:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you're dead wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.13,0:22:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because look, when it comes
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.54,0:22:30.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the actual teaching,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.36,0:22:35.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have this reality in 2 John.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.52,0:22:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you know what it says \Nabout greeting people?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.76,0:22:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(unintelligible)
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.23,0:22:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the thing is if you've got somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.31,0:22:44.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's departed from the truth,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.86,0:22:49.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,John says don't even greet them.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.02,0:22:51.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's if somebody else \Nis the one doing it,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.99,0:22:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let alone if you're \Nthe one propagating it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.68,0:22:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No way should you ever \Nbe put in a situation
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.36,0:22:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you're propagating error
Dialogue: 0,0:22:59.93,0:23:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or teaching error.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.93,0:23:04.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if I'm that biology teacher
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.87,0:23:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(incomplete thought).
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.44,0:23:08.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, I think there's always a place
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.38,0:23:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Christian to \Ngo to their higher-ups.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.59,0:23:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go to their supervisors,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.08,0:23:13.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go to their foreman's,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.15,0:23:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go to the boss - whoever that is -
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.66,0:23:21.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say... I think there's \Na place for being honest.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.46,0:23:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a Christian.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.96,0:23:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is my conviction.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.42,0:23:28.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.83,0:23:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really like working here.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.15,0:23:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to continue to work here,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.76,0:23:39.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I can't do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.05,0:23:40.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And look, I can teach -
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.85,0:23:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps somebody could say this -
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.80,0:23:44.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can teach evolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.70,0:23:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as you let me explain
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.42,0:23:49.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the students
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.62,0:23:54.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there are other \Nthoughts and worldviews
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.01,0:23:55.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than that one,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.100,0:24:02.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if you allow me to \Nindicate to the children
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.69,0:24:04.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that perhaps that's not the one
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.51,0:24:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I think is correct.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.16,0:24:07.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this one over here's correct.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.93,0:24:10.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you won't let me do that,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.17,0:24:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I probably can't teach science.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.24,0:24:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe I could teach math.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.32,0:24:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you let your convictions be known.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.42,0:24:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's critical
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.29,0:24:23.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for being salt and light.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.90,0:24:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wherever you work,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.41,0:24:26.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they know who you are.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.86,0:24:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They know what you are.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:28.30,0:24:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They know something about your testimony.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.66,0:24:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They know something \Nabout what you believe.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.46,0:24:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you're there confronting the darkness.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.76,0:24:40.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jesus said, "If you deny Me..."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.66,0:24:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that He would deny.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.68,0:24:43.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't want to deny Him.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.07,0:24:45.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think for the Christian to \Nbe able to work somewhere
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.75,0:24:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and nobody ever knows they're Christians,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.72,0:24:52.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're certainly not being light.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.24,0:24:54.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yes, a lot of this,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.79,0:24:56.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as far as this Catholic hospital
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.72,0:24:59.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would depend on what \Nshe's being asked to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.67,0:25:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reality is if her \Nprimary responsibilities
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.64,0:25:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all wrap around people's healthcare,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.06,0:25:08.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it's a hospital -
Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.71,0:25:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if their primary driving reality
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.04,0:25:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the majority of the people's jobs there
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.79,0:25:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has to do with people's health -
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.70,0:25:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting people well,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.79,0:25:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting people healed -
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.76,0:25:26.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certainly, just because \Nit says "Catholic,"
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.30,0:25:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if a doctor told me,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.82,0:25:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, I went to work at Shriner's -
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.01,0:25:35.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, there \Nmight be better choices,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.49,0:25:38.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we all have to weigh these things out.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.15,0:25:39.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think as a Christian,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.51,0:25:41.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the things we have to weigh out
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.63,0:25:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is: look, I might be the only \NChristian in that place.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.28,0:25:49.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So is the best thing for \Nyou to do is leave?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.06,0:25:51.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to measure
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.31,0:25:54.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what does it say about our testimony.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.05,0:25:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to weigh all these things out.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.04,0:25:57.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's kind of like the money situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.89,0:25:59.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there an exact right answer?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.67,0:26:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.17,0:26:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatsoever's not of faith is sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.83,0:26:05.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to measure these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.45,0:26:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to weigh these things out.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.14,0:26:08.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I would say this,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.95,0:26:10.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there may be an environment
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.75,0:26:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a weaker Christian says:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.26,0:26:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't be here.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.68,0:26:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where a stronger Christian could say:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.29,0:26:18.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps I can work here.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.74,0:26:20.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps there's an individual that says
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.62,0:26:22.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at one point in time: I can work here;
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.79,0:26:25.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then at a different \Npoint in time, he says,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.17,0:26:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I no longer can.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.90,0:26:29.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think that's impossible
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.82,0:26:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for two Christians to be confronted
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.64,0:26:32.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the same job,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.67,0:26:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one feels like with a clear conscience
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.74,0:26:35.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he can work there,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.66,0:26:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the other feels like \Nwith a clear conscience,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.36,0:26:38.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can't work there.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.61,0:26:41.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's what \NRomans 14 is all about.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.03,0:26:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some observe a day. \NSome don't observe a day.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.46,0:26:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some eat vegetables. Some eat meat.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.92,0:26:47.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the kind of thing where
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.74,0:26:49.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're trying to wrestle,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:49.62,0:26:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're trying to have our conscience
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.72,0:26:56.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constrained by the Word of God;
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.72,0:26:58.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constrained by the truth that we know.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.93,0:27:01.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have to live up to that light,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.06,0:27:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I would say any one of us,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.98,0:27:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we're in a job,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.90,0:27:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we're in any kind of position,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.01,0:27:12.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to be light.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.41,0:27:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we need to reprove \Nthe works of darkness.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.61,0:27:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what we're called to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.50,0:27:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, a holy life in itself
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.74,0:27:22.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will have a tendency to reprove,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.66,0:27:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think the reproving is oftentimes
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.84,0:27:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,necessary to be done by our mouths.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.66,0:27:34.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yeah, it can be uncomfortable
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.33,0:27:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it can be confrontational.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.77,0:27:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at times, it can cost you your job.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.74,0:27:42.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.99,0:27:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, if you stand for what's right
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.96,0:27:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in some place
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.98,0:27:48.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it ends up costing you the job,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.93,0:27:54.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then that's okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.29,0:27:56.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those who want to be godly
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.19,0:27:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this present world,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.76,0:28:00.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are going to face persecution.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.93,0:28:03.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, the reality is
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.14,0:28:04.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take somebody like Jesus
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.67,0:28:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and throw Him into \Nhumanity, and what happens?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.92,0:28:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They killed Him.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.69,0:28:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the more you're like Him
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.12,0:28:13.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you throw you into \Nthat darkness out there,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:13.57,0:28:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more you are like Him,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.36,0:28:18.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more the world is going \Nto sit up and take notice
Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.57,0:28:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and often hate you.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.28,0:28:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything more to say about that one?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.22,0:28:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(from the room/unintelligible)
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.69,0:28:31.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like you mentioned early on, in Luke 3,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.51,0:28:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these people had these jobs.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.71,0:28:36.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The jobs weren't sinful \Nin and of themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.49,0:28:40.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(unintelligible)
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.02,0:28:42.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tim: Yeah, what James \Nis talking about is this:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.75,0:28:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you remember when John the Baptist
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.54,0:28:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came on the scene?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.52,0:28:48.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it says specifically
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.11,0:28:51.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the soldiers came to John
Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.91,0:28:54.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and said "what must we do?"
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.61,0:28:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was saying: bring forth works
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.84,0:29:02.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are in line with your repentance.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.36,0:29:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the soldiers said what do we do?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.63,0:29:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's very interesting that John
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.62,0:29:08.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did not say: all you soldiers
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.81,0:29:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to stop being soldiers
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.91,0:29:13.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there's no way
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.56,0:29:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for you to live righteously as a soldier.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.40,0:29:20.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not what he said.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.26,0:29:22.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soldiers were big. Soldiers were strong.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:22.67,0:29:25.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soldiers were fighters.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.19,0:29:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were armed.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.88,0:29:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very easy for them to extort people.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.20,0:29:32.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said don't do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:32.28,0:29:33.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.73,0:29:35.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soldiers have to go to war.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.29,0:29:36.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have to fight.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.25,0:29:37.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They often have to kill.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.100,0:29:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How come you didn't address any of that?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.22,0:29:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, you know what?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.22,0:29:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, Scripture says that God
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.11,0:29:56.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has given the sword to governments.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.09,0:29:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's God-ordained.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.20,0:30:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Governments are God-ordained,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.53,0:30:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and them bearing the sword
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.75,0:30:06.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is God-ordained.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.17,0:30:09.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Personally, I would never tell anybody -
Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.52,0:30:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any Christian -
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.01,0:30:12.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that being on a SWAT team,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.65,0:30:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being in the military,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.44,0:30:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being a police officer is sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.90,0:30:21.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They need to sort that \Nout before the Lord,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.43,0:30:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if a Christian decided before the Lord
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.27,0:30:31.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he believed that was \Nwhat God was calling him to,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.30,0:30:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could not say based on \Nwhat Scripture teaches,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.33,0:30:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't say that that dogmatically is sin.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.16,0:30:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, if you take the position
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.12,0:30:52.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like what's that old Gary Cooper movie?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.67,0:30:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sergeant York.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.92,0:30:55.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remember Sergeant York?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.38,0:30:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anybody know about him?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.94,0:31:00.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was the most decorated war hero -
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.11,0:31:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,U.S. war hero of World War 1.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:04.24,0:31:06.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was the real deal.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.69,0:31:08.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He got saved shortly before
Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.38,0:31:10.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,World War 1 broke out.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.37,0:31:12.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was minded not to go.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:12.18,0:31:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He believed God did not want him to kill.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.83,0:31:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Incomplete thought).
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.52,0:31:22.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He started out as a conscientious objector
Dialogue: 0,0:31:22.81,0:31:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he ended up going.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.02,0:31:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you watch the movie
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.60,0:31:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if the movie's true to real life,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.56,0:31:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I never actually read
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.47,0:31:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Sergeant York biography,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.17,0:31:35.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I don't know how true the movie is
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.52,0:31:36.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to real life,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.58,0:31:39.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he says in the movie
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.42,0:31:43.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he killed to save;
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.18,0:31:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that taking out the Germans \Nthat he took out
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.10,0:31:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually ended up saving many, many
Dialogue: 0,0:31:49.67,0:31:52.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the allied soldiers.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.20,0:31:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he was the most decorated.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.16,0:31:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was a hero.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:55.92,0:32:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He went up through all \Nthese machine gun nests.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.04,0:32:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, if you're a \Nconscientious objector
Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.54,0:32:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you choose not to do it,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.14,0:32:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you do so before the Lord? Amen.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.71,0:32:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you feel like you can go into battle,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.17,0:32:19.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,personally if I were to ask the question:
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.14,0:32:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does Scripture specifically forbid -
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.79,0:32:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if God gives the sword to the government,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.14,0:32:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're a police officer
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.68,0:32:34.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're bearing that sword,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.65,0:32:38.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does that seem to be \Nconsistent with Scripture?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.93,0:32:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It does, but if you asked me,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.66,0:32:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would Jesus take a gun and shoot somebody?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:44.08,0:32:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't believe He would.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.98,0:32:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Incomplete thought)
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.17,0:32:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does that mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.34,0:32:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does that mean that there are some things
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.55,0:32:59.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are okay to do
Dialogue: 0,0:32:59.91,0:33:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if Jesus Himself wouldn't do them?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.18,0:33:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, these are the kind of things\Nwe have to wrestle with.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.92,0:33:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it appropriate to put people to death?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.48,0:33:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, you have to ask that of Moses.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.56,0:33:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moses, what do you say?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.72,0:33:18.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You went into the land of Canaan.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.67,0:33:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, not Moses, but Joshua rather.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.96,0:33:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was it okay to kill?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.20,0:33:27.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,David, was it okay to kill?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.62,0:33:29.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, even commanded of God?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.37,0:33:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Saul, did you lose your kingdom
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.12,0:33:33.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you didn't kill
Dialogue: 0,0:33:33.63,0:33:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you were supposed to kill?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.66,0:33:38.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, is there a time in Scripture
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.51,0:33:42.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when killing was right?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.07,0:33:43.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'd have to say yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.51,0:33:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Capital offense.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.04,0:33:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If somebody committed murder,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.64,0:33:48.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were they to be put to death?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:48.83,0:33:53.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.13,0:33:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But would Jesus have killed?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:55.62,0:33:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When they brought the woman
Dialogue: 0,0:33:58.36,0:34:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taken in adultery,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.40,0:34:04.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moses did require her to be put to death.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.33,0:34:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And He didn't do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.79,0:34:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the things we \Nhave to wrestle with
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.96,0:34:12.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in some cases
Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.13,0:34:17.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're thinking about \Nthose kinds of routes.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:17.78,0:34:23.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything else on this subject?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.71,0:34:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, that's probably enough for tonight.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:29.84,0:34:38.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, let's pray.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:38.43,0:34:40.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh Lord, we pray to be a people
Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.42,0:34:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are guided by truth.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:45.28,0:34:48.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to be the children of light.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.28,0:34:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You tell us to rebuke \Nthe works of darkness.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.65,0:34:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help us to be children of light.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.28,0:34:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help us to really shine.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.63,0:34:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We read of John the Baptist -
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.16,0:35:01.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a burning and shining light.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.14,0:35:04.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lord, we want that \Nto be true of ourselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.100,0:35:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help us, Lord.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.10,0:35:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Give us the boldness.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.65,0:35:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to be bold to proclaim Christ
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.86,0:35:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in even the hardest situations.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:12.63,0:35:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to be faithful
Dialogue: 0,0:35:14.50,0:35:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to go out into the darkness \Nof this world and shine.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.20,0:35:21.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I pray, Lord, light us.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.26,0:35:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Light us up.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:22.98,0:35:25.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We pray in Christ's name, Amen.