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Good afternoon friends.

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My name is Meredith Graves,
I am of MTV News,

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and I’m sitting here
with one of my literal

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actual all-time heroes,

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Tori Amos.
>> Thank you!

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>> I can’t believe you’re here,
and we have so much to talk about.

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First and foremost,
your work on the Netflix

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original documentary ‘Audrie
and Daisy’,

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and then something really
tremendous and special,

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but we’ll talk
about the film first.

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>> Yes.

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>> This guy started texting me.

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It was kinda like,
Oh older boys wanna hang out with us?

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I think I was drunk.

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The boys were pretty persistent.

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Then I guess things got worse.

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>> It’s good to let the audience know
that this film is incredibly tragic.

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It’s also at times wildly uplifting

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and makes you want to raise
or join an army

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or your own to combat
the pervasiveness of rape culture.

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So to get started, what do you
think the strongest message

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is that survivors
of sexual assault can take away

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from the film and from Daisy’s story?

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>> The questions about the justice
system and the questions

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about us as a community,

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how do we fail our teenagers
when we turn the other way?

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Daisy talks about silence:

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the silence of friends,
the silence of the community.

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People not wanting to get involved

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because they were afraid
they could lose their jobs.

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And it divides people, this issue,

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because we don’t always talk

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to the teenagers
about responsibility and consequences

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and that your life changes forever.

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>> I have to know, the first time
you saw the film, how did you feel?

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>> Raw. Unable to move.

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I was aware of Emily
Doe and the Stanford attack,

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so the idea

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that this has been happening
in our universities,

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that is happening in our high schools
and now our middle schools,

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and it was a moment
where I had to realize

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that this is, um,
beyond an epidemic —

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it’s endemic.

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It’s in our country,
it’s in our culture,

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and it’s something that
sometimes grown-ups

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don’t want to talk about,

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and when I say grown-up I mean over 21.

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You don’t want to talk about it,
you put your head in the sand

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and say, “Push the issue out there,

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it’s not going to happen to my sister

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or my teenager or me,”

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and yet it’s happening
and it’s not stopping.

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>> What do you think
parents can do to gain

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a greater understanding of the crisis
happening among young women?

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The rape epidemic, rape culture?

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>> Well I think that this film,

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it’s a tough watch
but it’s a must watch,

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and it’s something that teenagers need

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to see and adolescents need to see it

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because the boys in Audrie’s case,

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her story

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is that she was sexually assaulted

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and then they drew on her with marker

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all over her body and wrote with arrows

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what they did all over her body

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and they took photographs

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and they put it up online,

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and that is when the shaming,

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from girls as well, the shaming.

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So the perpetrators were boys,

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and these are teenagers,
these are teenage—

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they’re kids, and they were friends.

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So this is something the over-21s,

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this is a wake-up call,
this is a call to arms,

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and Audrie,

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within several days,

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eight days, killed herself.

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Daisy is 18 now;

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she tried to commit
suicide three times,

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but she has stepped
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and she’s an activist

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and she is building an army,

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an army of teenagers
to talk about this.

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>> What are the most positive
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>> To see Daisy becoming a tattoo artist

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is, um, it’s something to watch.

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The film shows you that,
and she’s reclaiming her body.

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She is creating art on her canvas,

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and to address this very directly

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is something I encourage
everybody to check out Daisy

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and become part of her army.

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I’m part of Daisy’s army.

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>> See the muscle?

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All she had to do is raise her hand
and here we are.

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Are you planning
on getting tattooed by Daisy?

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>> I am.
>> Do you have— you have tattoos?

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Right? You do? Yes? No?

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>> Oh, I have—
I’m one of those people:

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the lower back tattoo gal.

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I’m one of those people. I know.

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>> That’s like the one place
I don’t have one, so we’re even.

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What do you think the recent prevalence

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of major national
headline-making rape cases

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has done for the way our culture looks
at rape in the common consciousness?

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Do you feel like it
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>> People are waking up.

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There are activists now that are saying,

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“This conversation
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because the issue isn’t going away.

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So we have to—

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America, we have to deal with this.

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These are our kids
disrespecting our kids,

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and we have to look at them
all as our kids.

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We’re back to the conversation
is when you look away,

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you don’t do something,

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you are doing something.

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You’re fingerprints are on that, okay?

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So we’re not talking
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we’re not really talking—

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empowering teachers to have
the conversation, tough conversation,

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and now grown-ups,
whether a parent or not,

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anybody over 21,
that is legal,

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needs to get involved
in this conversation

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because the world has gone mad.

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This is madness.

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>> It’s madness that
for sure takes the form

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of the most extremely pervasive

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and destabilizing

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force of violence
against young women

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and young people in general
and it is terrifying,

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and for people who want
to join Daisy’s army,

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who want to join you,

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how did you get involved
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and Incest National Network?

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>> In 1994, the ladies at Atlantic,

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that worked at Atlantic Records,

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got me in touch with Scott Berkowitz

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and we founded RAINN as a collective,

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and they connected all the rape
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as a hotline and they’re online now.

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And the good news is that they’re there,

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they’re trained,
they work in the trenches with people

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when they’re in a victim stage

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and try to help them to take the steps,

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whether it’s—

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many things, emotional,

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sometimes legal to get a minor
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The phone number wasn’t traceable

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because sometime the perpetrator
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And so the bad news about this

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is the phone doesn’t stop ringing.

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If you’d asked me in 1994
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“In 2016, maybe the phone
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No, the phone is ringing
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So the good news
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that are stepping forward
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and to have the discussion,

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but the sadness

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is that there
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>> Because at the end of the day,
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and so much of the predatory behavior

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against teenage girls
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Now if people that are out there

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watching want to get involved with RAINN

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and the work that you do
or become an advocate,

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volunteer their time, donate,

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aside from buying
your fantastic new single,

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which plays over the credits of the film,
which I believe, if I’m correct,

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the benefits go to RAINN—
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>> —of course, how can people
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>> We are there, you can contact us.

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We need volunteers, we need people.

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They’re very visible on the website,
so it’s not hard to find RAINN.

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>> RAINN.org to get more information
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and Incest National Network
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I’m so excited that we got
to have this conversation.

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>> Thank you for having me, thank you.
>> The film will be here Friday.

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The 20th year reissue of ‘Boys
for Pele’ complete

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with two bonus tracks,
photos from New Orleans,

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and god knows what else in the future

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will be out very
very shortly in November,

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and in the meantime you
will continue to be amazing.

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I am so glad that you came here
to be with us today!

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Thank you so much.

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‘Audrie & Daisy’ will be out
on Netflix this Friday,

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make sure to watch it.
Thank you Tori.

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>> Thank you babe, thank you.