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Glamour Dolls failed to comply with

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those obligations when it engaged in a

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failed online advertising campaign on

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Kickstarter, using LFI, Lisa Frank's brand

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without LFI's approval and then refused to

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pay royalties due when LFI properly

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terminated the party's contracts as a

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result of Glamour Dolls' misconduct.

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Wait a minute. She didn't know about the

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Kickstarter? Hello my friend, I will

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honestly tell you that until late last

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night, I did not think that I was filming

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a video about Lisa Frank and Glamour

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Dolls today. I actually had a full video

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planned about preservative-free cosmetics

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and how freaking ridiculous and dangerous

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preservative-free cosmetics are. But then

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I got a very interesting comment from a

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person named "Fake Goth Girl." Okay. I get

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a link. The link is to a court document

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that I had not previously had access to.

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This document is Lisa Frank's point of

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view. It is her counter suit. This is Lisa

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Frank saying "Glamour Dolls is the bad

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guy, not me. I didn't do anything wrong -

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they're the ones that did something

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wrong." So in today's video, I want to go

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over Lisa's side of things - what she says

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in the court documents is the reason why

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she pulled out of her contract with

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Glamour Dolls that left backers of the

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Kickstarter out all of their money - over

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$400,000 of their money, including my

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money. My $75? Gone. If you have no idea

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what I'm talking about, that's because

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this is Part 2. I strongly strongly

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suggest you please watch Part 1 of this.

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It will be linked below. It will be up in

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a card. It is the background for this

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video - this video might not make sense

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if you don't watch that one first. If you

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don't feel like you have time for an hour

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and a half long video, what you can do is

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you can scrub through the timestamps, kind

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of get the idea of what it is. You can

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also play it on 1.5 speed if you want to.

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And I will tell you that the average

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amount of watch time on that video for a

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single view is about 40 minutes. That has

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literally never happened on my channel.

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This is a story that I think you want to

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hear and and that I think that you are

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going to be engaged in if you choose to.

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That being said, we are starting at Part

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2. I'm assuming at this point that you

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have seen that video and that you have

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that background knowledge. And also,

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side note, I mentioned this at the end of

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the video, but there's probably about 40

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comments mentioning Bailey Sarian's video

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on Lisa Frank, based on the Jezebel

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article that we talked about in the first

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part of this. Yes, I am fully aware of

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Bailey's video. I have met Bailey. I have

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collaborated with Bailey. Bailey did a

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fantastic job on that video. That video is

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more about Lisa Frank as a person, so if

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you want even more context for the story,

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I highly recommend you go watch Bailey's

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video as well. What we're gonna do with

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this part is I'm actually gonna put Lisa

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Frank's lawsuit on the side of me so if

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you are fluent in Legalese, you can follow

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along and see the match up of what I'm

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saying. Surprisingly, a lot of is is

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pretty clear cut and there isn't a ton of

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lawyer language in this that was difficult

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to understand. So if you would like to

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read along, it is going to be next to me

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over here. Here we go. So this is what

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Lisa says. This is her side of things.

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This is all about the deal in 2016, the

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original deal that she had. Lisa says they

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struck the deal in June of 2016 that would

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end on December 31st of 2017 - that

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matches up with Glamour Dolls' side, so

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I'm assuming there's legal contracts, so

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there's evidence of this. So Glamour Dolls

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in that original contract, agreed to pay

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Lisa Frank 15% royalty on the net sales

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of the products made under the deal, with

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a minimum payment of $100,000 for the

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duration of the agreement, including a

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$25,000 advance. Glamour Dolls promised to

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do their best, to make, sell, promote, and

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market the products to get as many sales

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as possible, always focusing on high

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quality. Now this part is very very

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important because this is really the root

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of why everything went wrong. They had to

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get Lisa Frank's approval on literally

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everything, from the design concepts to

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the artwork, to the molds for production,

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to the final product samples before going

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into production. Lisa Frank had the right

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to approve or reject the elements and

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Glamour Dolls had to follow Lisa Frank's

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directions on quality standards. Now

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listen to this because this is part of the

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reason why things were taking so long. So,

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for designs, Glamour Dolls had to wait up

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to 10 business days - that's about two

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weeks or so - for Lisa Frank to approve

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or reject anything that they submitted to

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her. If Lisa didn't respond in time,

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Glamour Dolls was allowed to ask after

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those 10 business days, "Hey, what's going

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on? I need a full description of why you

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reject this or I need an approval." But

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this is the kicker! Because even after

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approval, and remember, this is according

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to Lisa herself, Lisa could stop the

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production and distribution of the

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products if they didn't meet her quality

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standards. That's a subjective thing -

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that is not something that can be

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measured. Lisa can just for any reason,

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just say "This doesn't meet my quality

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standards" and stop production at any

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point. And it wasn't just for production

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of product. It also had to do with

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advertising, packaging, display methods,

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press releases - anything using Lisa Frank

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artwork - Glamour Dolls had to run this by

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Lisa. They had to wait for those 10

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business days and then if she didn't

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respond in 10 business days, then they had

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to poke her about it and be like "Dude,

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what's going on?" They had to keep poking

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her if she didn't respond after those 10

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business days. So remember this original

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contract that I personally believe was to

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create the blush, the highlighter, and the

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two brushes - that contract was ending

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in December. But remember the Kickstarter

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had started in February. We're now in

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December. February - they promised backers

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10 additional products beyond these four

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that had already been funded. Lisa's

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contract is about to end, so they need to

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start a new contract. This is what Lisa

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says was in the new contract: same 15%

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royalty on the net sales of the products

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plus 20% royalty on sales made directly to

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retail customers. So this would be if

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people bought it off of Ipsy's marketplace

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or if people bought it from Hot Topic,

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or at one point they were talking to

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Walmart - any of those, Lisa would get a

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20% royalty off of. Beyond that, in the

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first contract, Lisa asked for at least

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$100,000 for her fees. In the new

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contract, Lisa upped that to $500,000.

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$125,000 that needed to be paid when the

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contract was signed. Three more payments

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would be paid throughout the year to total

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that $500,000. The rules for making the

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products were pretty much the same as the

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first contract. All of the levels of "you

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need to send it to Lisa and she needs to

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approve it" and then the 10 business days

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- all of that was pretty much the same.

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find out more about in just a minute, is

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that they did not have to get pre-shipment

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approval. So Lisa has already approved

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the final draft of the product, they have

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put that into production, they now have

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the products - they've got thousands and

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thousands of these products - they don't

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have to send those products to Lisa for

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approval anymore. But there is a clause -

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any production problems, if after all of

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these things were sent out and Lisa

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decided that there was a production

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problem, there was something she didn't

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like, Glamour Dolls would have to pay

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damages for that. What would those

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damages be? I have no idea, it's not in

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here. Another thing that's very important

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in Lisa's side of the story is that they

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said that Lisa could end the deal

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immediately if Glamour Dolls broke certain

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rules, like not following the approval

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process or having production issues 3

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times. If Lisa decided that she was

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going to terminate the agreement, Glamour

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Dolls had to not only stop making

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products, they had to stop selling their

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existing products. Then they had to turn

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over the rights to the artwork. Anything

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that Lisa had created for Glamour Dolls

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would now be owned by Lisa. And you might

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be seeing where this might be going -

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maybe if you watched part 1. Because she

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did that. That happened. In context. you

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have to remember that this is 3 months

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past the date that Glamour Dolls had

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promised products would be done and

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shipped to backers. So they are deep deep

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in it now. They are sending out that

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digital Christmas card, where people can

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send it to their families, saying "Hey,

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you know, you might be getting some Lisa

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Frank products that I bought for you at

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some point. This is what's coming." That's

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where we're at. A lot of the backers are

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already irritated by this point. From

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Lisa's side, she says in her court

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documents that LFI, or Lisa Frank

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Incorporated, fully performed its

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obligations under the license agreements -

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I do believe Glamour Dolls would argue

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against that. They say specifically

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Glamour Dolls repeatedly failed to meet

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their responsibilities under the agreemnts

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they had with Lisa Frank. This is how Lisa

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says Glamour Dolls messed up. And

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remember, she's going to have to prove

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this for her counter suit. This is what

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she says - she says they didn't put in

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enough effort to produce, distribute,

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promote, and sell the products that they

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were supposed to. She says that they

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didn't aim to sell as many high quality

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products as they could, that they had

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signed off in their contract. She says 
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they use Lisa Frank artwork in ads and

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packaging without getting approval first,

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which was against their rules of the

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contract. She says Glamour Dolls was late

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in making and delivering the products,

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which they were. She says that Glamour

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Dolls didn't follow the agreed upon

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process for getting products inspected

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and approved, that they didn't pay the

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royalties and the minimum amounts that

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they were supposed to, and that they used

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the Kickstarter to sell products without

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getting the okay from Lisa Frank

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Incorporated, which was of course not

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allowed. Finally, they say that Glamour

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Dolls promised products to backers and

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then never shipped them out, which is

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true. But the question is: why didn't they

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ship them out? What was stopping them

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from doing it? Was it a fault of Glamour

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Dolls or was it a fault of Lisa? We're

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still in Lisa's perspective, so let's

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follow that. Lisa says that even through

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all of the things that I just listed - the

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things that are in Lisa's filing - she

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continued to try to work with Glamour

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Dolls to make things work. She says she

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did this only because she felt like, if

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she didn't continue with Glamour Dolls and

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see this through and get the backers what

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they ordered, that it would damage Lisa

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Frank. It would damage her and her brand.

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It wasn't about making sure that people

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got what they paid for, it was about the

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damage it would cause to her reputation

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and her brand's reputation. She says in

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her statement that, you know, that Glamour

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Dolls had made all these promises and

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they failed to go through on them, that

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they even said that they were shipping

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things to people that they never shipped

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to them, which I don't know if it's

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actually true. Because from what I've

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seen, anybody that was supposed to get

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the eyeshadow and the bronzer and the

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postcard did get those things. There is

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some question, at least in the comments

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underneath my last video of whether people

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who ordered the brush separately, whether

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they actually got their brush. So maybe

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that's what Lisa is talking about. Lisa

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says that Glamour Dolls ignored rules

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that they had to follow to get Lisa's

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approval before making anything. She says

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that they attempted to make or change

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products without talking to her first.

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And also that they didn't give her the

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samples required that she needed to

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review. The perspective here is that

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because of those failures, people started

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blaming Lisa Frank and not Glamour Dolls,

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where she's saying it wasn't her fault,

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it was Glamour Dolls' fault. She said that

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people began to think that Lisa Frank was

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scamming them, leaving negative comments

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and complaints online that damaged LFI's

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reputation. It was only because Glamour

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Dolls broke their side of the contract

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so many times that she ended the contract

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formally in July of 2018, which is what

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Glamour Dolls had said, that she abruptly

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just ended the contract. What Glamour

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Dolls had said was before she ended the

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contract, she required them to pay that

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final $125,000 to her and then once she

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got the money, she terminated the contract

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and that they didn't know she was going to

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do that when she took the money.

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Supposedly, LFI reminded Glamour Dolls

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that they needed to do the things that

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were in the contract, that if she ended

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it, that they needed to do - things like

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returning all the artwork and paying any

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royalties owed. However, she says Glamour

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Dolls didn't pay what they owed or follow

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through on other responsibilities after

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the termination, leading to more problems

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and losses for LFI. So at the final part

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of the complaint, Lisa says "This is what

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I want the court to give me." She says she

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wants to be paid damages, which means all

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of the money that they should have

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received under the agreements with Glamour

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Dolls - the exact amount of how much she

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should be paid would be decided at trial.

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Then she wants to be paid back for all of

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the costs and all of the expenses and the

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lawyer's fees as allowed by law. She also

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wants to receive interest on any money

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awarded to them, both before and after the

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court's decision at 18% per year and it

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looks like, you know, this happened in

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2018, it's now 2024, so that's a lot of

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freakin' interest. I'm not going to do the

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math in my brain right now because it's

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physically and mentally impossible for me

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but that's a lot of money. And finally,

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she's like "And if the court wants to

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give me something else, if you think

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there's something else that's fair, feel

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free. You can give me that too." So that

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is Lisa's filing. I have lots of thoughts

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my friend. Do you have thoughts? Because

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if you have thoughts, put 'em in the

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comment section because I'm wondering if

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we have the exact same thoughts. That's

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what the collective brain is all about, is

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us bouning ideas off of each other and in

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a recorded video, it's a little harder. So

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if you have thoughts, definitely leave

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them in the comments. I'm gonna tell you

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mine. Okay, so I have questions. [laughs]

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I have 3 major questions. The first one is

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"What was the timeline for approving the

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Kickstarter?" Because eventually, Lisa was

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participating in the Kickstarter, at least

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it looks like she was participating in the

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Kickstarter. So I am curious what Glamour

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Dolls' side of this is, in that do they

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say that they did the Kickstarter without

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talking to Lisa? Because I noticed

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something that was in their paperwork that

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they filed. They label Kickstarter as a

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business that they were trying to get to

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work with, right? So it's listed in with

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Ipsy and Hot Topic; they also list

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Kickstarter. So it was seen by them - it

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looks like - as just another way to sell

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products and I don't know if that was in

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the contract, that they had to clear what

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retailers they were gonna work with with

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Lisa. Where I think that Lisa may have

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them on this is that they had to use Lisa

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Frank artwork and they had to promote this

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using Lisa Frank branded stuff for the

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Kickstarter before it even started.

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Remember Candy's video. I wish I could

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show you the video - it is killing me that

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this video is private and I can't show

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you the full video. But Candy clearly

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uses Lisa Frank artwork in the video to

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promote this Kickstarter. If Lisa didn't

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know about the Kickstarter, then she

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didn't approve the artwork to be used in

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Candy's video or any other promotional

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things that they did for the Kickstarter.

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So then Lisa would have them on that.

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That's what I'm thinking most likely

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happened - I mean of course it's possible

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that Glamour Dolls did talk to Lisa and

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tell her about the Kickstarter beforehand

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and did get all of the artwork approved

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and all of that, but it sounds like Lisa

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is saying "No, that didn't happen." So

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my next question associated with that -

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it's kind of a sub question to question

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number 1 - is "When did Lisa find out

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about the 10 products that they promised

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to the Kickstarter backers? When did she

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agree to that?" Because it seems like that

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first contract from 2016 was really for

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those 4 products that they actually did

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produce and put out there - the blush

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brush, the crease brush, the bronzer, and

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the eyeshadows. Single eyeshadows, not

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eyeshadow palettes, the single eyeshadows.

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The ones that were sold at Hot Topic. It

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is very very likely that Lisa was on board

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with the Kickstarter about a month after

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the Kickstarter started because in March,

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they show posts that are specifically from

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Lisa, participating in encouraging people

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to enter these contests, to perform these

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tasks, to show their nail looks and things

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like that. Lisa is posting there. So if

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this is really Lisa posting - which it

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doesn't really make any sense to me that

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it wouldn't be Lisa because Glamour Dolls

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wouldn't be able to, like, hide that from

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Lisa - they would have to explain that

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so it doesn't really make sense to me

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that that wasn't actually Lisa posting.

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But she was clearly participating and

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on board in March. Another clue that Lisa

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was involved in the Kickstarter from the

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launch of the Kickstarter was that just

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a few days after the launch, Glamour

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Dolls posted that Lisa was going to go

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into her vault and the first 1,000 backers

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were going to get a very special gift

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from Lisa in their box when they got their

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stuff. They would get a second - what they

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called a treat - if they hit 2,000 backers

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and that Lisa had something really special

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planned if they made it to 10,000 backers.

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So I'm very curious to see if this piece

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comes out in court. My second question is

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"Why the hell did Glamour Dolls sign this

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terrible ass contract?" This is the most

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bull**** contract I think I have ever

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read. It is absolutely nuts. The part that

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is the most unbelievable for me is that

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Glamour Dolls signed this is the whole

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approval process. It is absolutely

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ridiculous. Both sides agree that this was

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the process. So they have an idea, right?

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They start with the idea. Let's use the

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Trapper Keeper palettes as an example.

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So they have an idea that they want to

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create a palette that looks like a Trapper

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Keeper. So they get this plain white

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Trapper Keeper palette made by the

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factory. Glamour Dolls then takes this

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white packaging, this plain plastic

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packaging that's the mock-up, send it to

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Lisa, wait 10 business days. If she

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doesn't answer, they have to poke her and

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get her to give feedback. If she does

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approve of it, Glamour Dolls then takes

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her ideas, whatever she wants changed, and

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lets the manufacturing facility know. Then

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they get another mock-up. Then they send

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that to Lisa. They wait 10 days, they wait

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for the feedback. All of that happens all

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over again until Lisa's happy. I didn't

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see anything on either said that said Lisa

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had a limit to how many changes she could

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make. So let's assume she's now approved

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the mold. Now they have to wait for Lisa

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to make the artwork. Once the artwork

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comes in, again, they send it over to the

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manufacturer. The manufacturer puts it on

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the product. Then Glamour Dolls has to

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have two samples of it that they then send

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over to Lisa and wait those 10 business

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days again. If she doesn't respond, then

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they poke her - same process all over

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again, where she can either reject it or

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accept it. Do you see how this is so

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freaking ridiculous? Because it's not even

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over then! Even after Lisa has approved

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the final designed product, when they

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manufacture it - let's say they make

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10,000 of them, because this did happen -

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they make 10,000 of them, they have to

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send 2 of the 10,000 to Lisa for final

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approval before they can ship those out

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to customers. And I will tell you my

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friend, this actually happened -

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according to Glamour Dolls - with the

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vegan leather makeup bag. This is the

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draft picture of the vegan leather makeup

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bag that was not designed, that people

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really excited about. This is the final

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design that was supposedly "The One," the

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makeup bag. Well it turns out, according

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to Glamour Dolls, Lisa didn't like this

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and after they had printed 10,000 of

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these, Lisa said she didn't want it to be

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vegan leather anymore; she wanted it to

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be glitter plastic. And because of the

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sh**** ass contract that they signed,

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they couldn't sell those 10,000 bags that

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they had already made because she had

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approved the sample. They had to start all

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over again with a glitter bag design. I

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mean how f***ing ridiculous is this? The

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fact that Glamour Dolls signed this

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contract, did they not have a lawyer

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read it? Like what happened? How did this

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get through? From the very jump, this

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should have just never happened and I'm

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sure Glamour Dolls in hindsight is

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thinking the exact same thing. And my

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third question is "Why would they start a

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Kickstarter in February, knowing that

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Lisa's contract was ending in December?"

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Because that's where they really got

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screwed. This is what I'm thinking: I'm

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thinking Lisa designed all of the products

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and got everything going for those first

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four products before the Kickstarter

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even started. And that was why Glamour

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Dolls wanted to do more work with her.

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They were like "Yes, this was so smooth,

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this was so easy. Let's keep this going a

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little longer. We have until December,

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it's only February. We have all this time.

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We pushed out those four products pretty

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quickly as far as getting through this

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process, so let's do 10 more! We've got

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this." Glamour Dolls said publicly that

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they didn't start having problems with

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Lisa slowing down the process until June

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of 2017. So that was after the Kickstarter

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had already started, but before the

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estimated ship date that they told the

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backers of September. And it makes sense

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because if they started signing the

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contract in June of 2016, by February,

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they had made and designed 4 products.

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Assuming that Lisa was done with all of

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the designs and all of the things and all

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of the approvals by the time that the

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Kickstarter started so that's about 8

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months. So they're thinking "Well yeah

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this was so easy, we should be able to

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push out more products by December, by

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the time Lisa's contract ends." So now I

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shall present to you the worst case

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scenario of Lisa's a raging b****.

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[laughter] That's where we're gonna go

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with this. This is worst case scenario

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what happened, in that Lisa knew her

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contract was ending in December, she knew

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that she could slow down this process in

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order to get a new contract in December

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and price gauge the hell out of Glamour

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Dolls. She knew that they had already

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promised all of these products to the

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backers. She knew that they probably

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given her $125,000 of the backers' money.

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She knew that Glamour Dolls was already

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using the backer money in order to get

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these samples and ship them to her. The

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$370,000 that the backers had paid,

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probably a lot of it was already spent

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because that's why they started wanting -

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needing more money. They started selling

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the products on BackerKit, they started

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selling the crease brush on their website,

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they really started courting Hot Topic to

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try to sell products over there because

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Lisa was taking all of the Kickstarter

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backers' money for herself and they were

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using it for the manufacturing of these

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products and they knew it wasn't enough to

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see this whole project through because

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remember they've got 10 products they're

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trying to make by December. So time

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passes, Lisa drags this out, drags this

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out, and then drops the bomb on Glamour

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Dolls: "If you want this to continue,

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after all this money that you spent,

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you're gonna have to pay me $500,000, not

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$100,000 anymore. It's $500,000 and you

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know when you sell to Hot Topic? You're

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not gonna give me 15%, you're gonna give

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me 20%." But at that point, they were so

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far deep in it that they couldn't get out

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of it. They absolutely couldn't get out

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of it. Another place that they probably

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spent the backers' money was on Wengie

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because remember the call that Peter did

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with the backers? He mentions very

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briefly paying for a video. I'll play that

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for you.

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(Peter): We actually didn't make a profit

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off of this Kickstarter campaign. I know

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that's, um, it's a hard thing for people

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to, um, to kind of believe with the size

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of it. But, um, we have to manufacture all

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those goods, uh, we have licensing fees

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to pay to Lisa, um, we had to pay for, you

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know, uh, for production of the video and

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for all these different things.

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(Jen) I don't know this for a fact but

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I think he took the money from the backers

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and paid Wengie to make that video.

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Who knows how much he paid her because

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influencer rates back then, you know, it

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was brand new, you know, influencers

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getting paid for sponsored videos and

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things like that. I have no idea how much

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they paid Wengie but I would imagine that

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was part of where the money was going and

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why they needed to raise more money.

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Because now in December, they not only

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have to get all of these 10 products

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manufactured but they also have to pay

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Lisa this $500,000. Lisa officially had

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Glamour Dolls by the unicorn balls. I mean

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like, she was-she had them. They had no

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choice, in my opinion,