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Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.03,0:00:56.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chris Ware: My day is entirely predicated on the \Nschedule of the Oak Park school system.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.40,0:01:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the morning, I get up fairly \Nearly before my wife and daughter
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.45,0:01:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sit and write in my diary for a little while
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.18,0:01:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then make breakfast for my daughter.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.16,0:01:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then my daughter and \NI ride the bike to school.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.19,0:01:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[gentle music]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.50,0:01:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I come back and I work between \Nthe hours of 8:00 and about 2:45 or so,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.84,0:01:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I have to go pick up \Nmy daughter from school, so...\N
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.60,0:01:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to work all day and all \Nnight long in my 20s or so,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.16,0:01:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as I've gotten older and as a daddy,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.04,0:01:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just can't do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.66,0:01:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[scratching of pencil on paper]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.46,0:01:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Being called an artist is \Ncertainly extremely flattering.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.92,0:01:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's not anything I necessarily ever expected.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.70,0:01:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's something about being \Na cartoonist that seems like
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.16,0:01:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an inherently humble sort of \Nactivity that I kind of like.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.74,0:01:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just me sitting at a \Ntable, and I do what I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.22,0:02:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I mean, I guess that's one possible \Nroute to making what might be called art.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.70,0:02:07.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[piano music]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.31,0:02:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was kind of, you know,\Nnot the most athletic or popular kid.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.96,0:02:14.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I started drawing comics, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.82,0:02:18.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it was a way of both \Ndefining myself amongst my peers
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.78,0:02:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also a way of disappearing into myself
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.24,0:02:24.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and me sort of protecting myself from them--
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.08,0:02:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, um, and avoiding, uh, and avoiding physical...\N[laughs] combat or--or whatever.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.00,0:02:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's really the only thing I've \Never been able to do, is kind of draw.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.04,0:02:41.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seemed to me like a miraculous sort of ability.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.65,0:02:44.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.76,0:02:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I start every page generally on a piece of board \Nthat's approximately about 2-by-3 feet or so.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.56,0:02:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I draw everything in non-photo blue pencil,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.08,0:03:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try to find where the figures \Nare in space in the blue.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.48,0:03:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then when that is done,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.50,0:03:06.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I go over those particular \Nemphasized lines in black ink.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.64,0:03:09.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when this page is photographed,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.54,0:03:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the blue pencil will not appear at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.72,0:03:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will drop away.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.50,0:03:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And all that's left will be the black line.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.14,0:03:22.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From there, I add in a layer of colors.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.47,0:03:29.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.12,0:03:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Generally each page takes around \N40 hours, strangely enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.78,0:03:37.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not like I chose 40 hours because \Nit's the workweek or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.02,0:03:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it really averages out to about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.84,0:03:42.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a lot of that is just me \Ngetting up and walking around,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.42,0:03:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hating myself, and feeling uncertain
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.22,0:03:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and giving into dread or \Nfeeling that it doesn't work
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.34,0:03:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or rereading or trying to avoid \Nwork or any number of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.41,0:03:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[violin strumming]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.17,0:04:02.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Man: I mean, have you ever\Njust woke up one day and\Nthought...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.10,0:04:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"God...What am I doing? Is\Nthis me?"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.66,0:04:10.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Chris Ware] Every strip, all the lettering that \Nyou see is all a product of my hand.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.22,0:04:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I realize that the real \Nprocess that goes into comics,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.24,0:04:18.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not pictures with accompanying text.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.78,0:04:23.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a psychological process of reading pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.24,0:04:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a symbol system.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.64,0:04:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[energetic music]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.84,0:04:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For a while, I completely quit \Nusing words in my comics.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.20,0:04:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was telling what happened rather \Nthan making it happen on the page.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.88,0:04:49.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I became more attuned to the \Ninternal rhythms and the sounds that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.74,0:04:52.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are created in the mind when \None reads pictures only.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.68,0:04:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a certain kind of weird \Ninvisible soundless music that's created.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.68,0:05:07.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then when I started reintroducing \Nwords into the comic strip,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.74,0:05:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tried to do it in a more careful way.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.47,0:05:15.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[piano music]
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.92,0:05:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As far as I'm concerned,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.76,0:05:22.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the page composition is more \Nimportant than the individual panels.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.45,0:05:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I'm composing my pages,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.04,0:05:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way that the individual panels line up \Nand inform each other is extemporaneous.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.50,0:05:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there are always things that happen on the \Npage that actually add meaning to the overall
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.68,0:05:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,structure of the story.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.18,0:05:46.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you spend a week on a page, \Nit takes maybe 15 seconds to read.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.92,0:05:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the page from a chapter of \Na very long book I've been working
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.00,0:05:53.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on for a very long time titled "Rusty Brown."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.20,0:06:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started this in 2001, and I've been working \Non it more or less steadily ever since
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.68,0:06:04.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with interruptions for other stories \Nand books and projects, so...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.06,0:06:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This first half of the book \Nwill be in excess of 300 pages.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.40,0:06:15.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like long books.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.71,0:06:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, there's something interesting about \Nsitting at a table for a couple of decades
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.44,0:06:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on a book that takes 3 or 4 hours to read.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.29,0:06:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[clock ticking]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.10,0:06:33.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[lively piano music]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.24,0:06:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My daughter said recently,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.62,0:06:42.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We're weird, Daddy.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.06,0:06:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't have anything modern in our house.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.92,0:06:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's wrong with us?"
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.25,0:06:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tend to arrange and collect things.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.00,0:06:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe that's part of being a cartoonist \Nis ordering and arranging things.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.51,0:07:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess I started getting interested in old toys,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.78,0:07:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, when I got interested in old comics.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.66,0:07:06.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there is certainly a \Nrelationship there between the two.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.24,0:07:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I like looking at the stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.80,0:07:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.12,0:07:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[clock ticking]
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.08,0:07:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was "Peanuts" that really got to my heart.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.64,0:07:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel like "Peanuts" is the point at which
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.22,0:07:31.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comics really became a medium of \Nemotional connection to readers.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.14,0:07:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charlie Brown is the first cartoon character \Nfor whom you really feel something.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.24,0:07:37.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only do you feel through Charlie Brown,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.98,0:07:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you feel for him.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.12,0:07:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's the first empathetic cartoon character.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.16,0:07:49.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact that Charles Schulz was able to put that \Nempathy and sense of connection into a character
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.38,0:07:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowed for my generation, then,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.24,0:07:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to write stories \Nabout actual human feelings
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.06,0:07:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as opposed to the superhero kind \Nof stuff that we'd grown up with.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.15,0:08:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[soft electronic music]
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.38,0:08:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The whole idea of a serialized \Ncomic strip, really,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.96,0:08:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is endemic to Chicago,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.16,0:08:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,starting here with the "Tribune."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.52,0:08:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The publishers there very \Nspecifically came up with
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.88,0:08:17.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the idea of telling a regular story
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.40,0:08:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that readers would get involved \Nin on a-- on a daily basis.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.12,0:08:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everybody paid attention to \N"The Gumps" or "Gasoline Alley"
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.06,0:08:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or "Little Orphan Annie" or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.86,0:08:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I sort of feel like I'm kind\Nof part of a tradition.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.52,0:08:38.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The sort of hominess of the Chicago cartooning \Nat that time appealed to me early on.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.46,0:08:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think I kind of now I\Nunderstand why.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.08,0:08:45.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a real unpretentiousness \Nto the city of Chicago.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.78,0:08:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially as New York has kind \Nof become the city of the 1%,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.32,0:08:53.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chicago has stayed steadfastly \Nthe city of the 99%.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.54,0:08:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's an American honesty to it that I like.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.38,0:09:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— Woohoo! Got two panels drawn.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.88,0:09:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Time for lunch.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.63,0:09:10.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[indistinct conversation]
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.85,0:09:13.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never expected in any way to \Nmake a living doing what I'm doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.98,0:09:17.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought I would just be the weird \Nguy working in the arts supply store
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.70,0:09:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the frame shop or the bakery \Nthat people would point to and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.58,0:09:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"He's the crazy guy working on that long graphic \Nnovel for, you know, the past 30 years or so."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.20,0:09:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which they still very easily could do.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.24,0:09:28.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just don't work in a bakery.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.68,0:09:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, I'm certainly grateful for it,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.44,0:09:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it wasn't what I in any way expected.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.36,0:09:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[strumming guitar music]
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.12,0:09:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I certainly can't pretend that it's not a
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.06,0:09:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very lucky thing to occasionally \Nget to do a "New Yorker" cover.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.52,0:09:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, I frequently think "I \Ncan't believe this is happening."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.78,0:09:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really the only periodical \Npublication in America,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.80,0:10:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if not in the world, that \Nrespects its artists as artists.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.54,0:10:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are not told what to do unless you want \Nto be told what to do or you want guidance.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.40,0:10:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise your drawing is \Ntreated as a single image.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.76,0:10:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All you have to do is make sure that the title \Nof "The New Yorker" is on there somewhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.78,0:10:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.18,0:10:24.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Building Stories" was a book \Nthat I worked on for 11 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.18,0:10:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The story itself revolves around \Na woman who goes to art school,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.66,0:10:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gives up on art, and then \Nhas a family in Oak Park,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.12,0:10:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is literally the \Nneighborhood that we are in.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.22,0:10:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.09,0:10:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Woman: Is it really too much\Nto ask for just one hour
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.96,0:10:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of not being a mom every once\Nin a while?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.75,0:10:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's his daughter, too, for\NChrissakes.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.56,0:10:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Chris Ware] So that's kind of what the book is about,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.32,0:10:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the exchanging of one life for the other \Nand the sort of guilt that's associated with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.76,0:10:59.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It came out serendipitously at a \Ntime when everybody thought that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.34,0:11:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,books were gonna disappear and we'd all be \Nreading on little glowing screens everywhere,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.64,0:11:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, fortunately, doesn't seem to be the case.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.20,0:11:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People still seem to like books.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.12,0:11:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is a box that contains 14 individual \Npamphlets, books, foldouts, et cetera,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.90,0:11:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can be read in any order--designed that way
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.78,0:11:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I think that's more the way that \Nwe experience life and remember life.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.20,0:11:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This particular book here is about \None day in the main character's life.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.16,0:11:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's designed like a Little Golden Book.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.98,0:11:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is represents the memories of her when \Nshe's kind of given up on art and art school,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.40,0:11:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,living alone in her 20s in the city of Chicago.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.58,0:11:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A book itself isis sort of the\Nperfect metaphor for
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.98,0:11:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's got a front and a back.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.36,0:11:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's got a spine, and it's bigger on \Nthe inside than it is on the outside.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.84,0:11:50.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[strumming music]
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.90,0:12:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that there's a lot of \Ninner turmoil and conflict.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.32,0:12:04.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's what stories are supposed to be about,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.98,0:12:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to try to understand that.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.12,0:12:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Way early on, I wanted to try to create \Nstories that got at emotions that felt real,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.68,0:12:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a strip that you weren't sure whether \Nit was supposed to be funny or sad.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.88,0:12:22.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.38,0:12:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not trying to depress anybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.12,0:12:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just trying to portray what I \Nthink it feels like to be alive.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.40,0:12:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's really the stuff that lasts,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.44,0:12:35.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's a sense of what it feels like \Nto be alive in a room talking to somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.46,0:12:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or alone in a room awash in \Nyour own uncertain thoughts.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.30,0:12:40.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's really what it comes down to.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.46,0:12:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that as human beings, we can't \Nreally be any better or hope for anything better
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.82,0:12:54.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until you can empathize with other people \Nand to try to feel not only for them but,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.30,0:12:56.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hopefully, in a sense even \Nmaybe through them a little bit.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.51,0:13:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's so much storytelling that's not like that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.06,0:13:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it feels like comics \Nare a good place to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.06,0:13:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.83,0:13:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[soft electronic music]