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Carmen: Hi. We're Mediengruppe Bitnik,[br]this is Doma, my name is Carmen. We're
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really happy to be here; thanks for having[br]us. And we'd like to show you a series of
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works. We don't quite know how many; we've[br]been kind of changing the slides, so we'll
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have to see what fits. I think... just 2[br]words about Mediengruppe Bitnik: We're
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from Zurich originally. We're based in[br]Berlin now... have been based for 1 and a
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half years and we work on the digital, but[br]usually our works also affect physical
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spaces, as you'll see in a minute. And[br]we'd like to talk about recent works
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around bots remote code glitch. So, the[br]first work is called "random darknet
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shopper". We produced this work in 2014[br]together with Kunst Halle Sankt Gallen.
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This was after the Snowden revelations in[br]2013, where we kind of felt that, as
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artists, we needed to re-assess our[br]cultural "heimat", the internet. As a kind
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of it was this mass surveillance thing and[br]we kind of felt we couldn't work there
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anymore or that many of our works were too[br]naive and so together with Kunst Halle
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Sankt Gallen, which is an art space in[br]Switzerland, we put together a show around
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darknet, because we felt that by looking[br]at internet subculture, we could kind of
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question ideas around anonymity, intimacy,[br]identity, trust... And in this show we had
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12 works by various artists around these[br]topics and our work was "random darknet
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shopper".[br]Doma: So, basically the random darknet
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shopper is a piece of software... is a[br]small bot, which we started in autumn
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2014. We started with the interest in the[br]question of trust: "How do you gain trust
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in encrypted networks, where you don't[br]know to whom you're speaking to?", "How
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does those trust mechanism work when[br]everything is kind of obfuscated and
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encrypted?" And we wanted to challenge[br]this question, basically, on the darknet
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markets, which were kind of a big topic, a[br]controversial topic, after the Silk Road
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raid. And we thought that it might be good[br]to evaluate these questions with a bot,
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questioning also "How does trust-building[br]work when you have goods, which are
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shipped from all over the world to the[br]buyers?" and so we wrote this part which
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was called the "random darknet shopper",[br]which had $100 weekly budget, based in
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bitcoins, and the idea was that the bot[br]would log in to the deep webs and go to
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the biggest dark net market at that time,[br]it was called agora I think, and randomly
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select an item and then buy it and[br]directly send it to the exhibition space,
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without our interference. So the idea was[br]that in the exhibition, we had 12 of those
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vitrines -- they were empty -- basically[br]waited to be filled over 12 weeks of the
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duration of the exhibition.[br]Carmen: So we basically connected the very
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dark markets of the darknet with the very[br]visible space of the art gallery.
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Doma: Technically it was pretty simple: It[br]was basically a small python script which
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remote-controlled a Firefox and basically[br]logged in to the darknet markets through
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Tor and then just clicked around to choose[br]a random category, get all the items below
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$100, randomly choose one, hit the buy[br]button, send an encrypted message to the
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seller to send it directly to the[br]exhibition space, and pay the fee or the
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things in bitcoins.[br]Carmen: So, over time we wanted to have a
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whole landscape of goods from the[br]darknets. There was also a lot of talk in
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the media at the time -- well, there still[br]is -- about the darknets and what you can
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buy there and we didn't believe what they[br]were telling us; we really wanted to see
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what we would randomly get from the[br]darknet. And the first item was called
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"fire brigade masterkey set", which the[br]seller said was a set of keys usually
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owned by the fire brigade in the UK to[br]open storage...
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Doma: ...public gates in public spaces,[br]stuff they need access to, so...
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Carmen: We have no idea whether it's true[br]or not.
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Doma: But we still really like that[br]object, because it has that potential of
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opening doors in the UK.[br]laughter
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Carmen: The second item was cigarettes[br]from the Ukraine. So basically, in very
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good darknet fashion, circumventing the[br]taxation on tobacco in the European Union.
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Doma:I think, it was about $35 at that[br]time.
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Carmen: Yeah.[br]Doma: Third week, we had this Louis
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Vuitton Trevi handbag for $95. And[br]actually, if we speak about trust, this
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was the only item which wasn't delivered,[br]but the seller was kind enough to send the
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bitcoins back, because he knew he couldn't[br]deliver. So, also here, it kind of worked.
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Carmen: Then, we received the Lord of the[br]Rings collection by JRR Tolkien in PDF
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format, which, for $1, which we printed .[br]Doma: It's several thousand pages. Then,
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the first or ... second super-digital[br]item: It was called Visa.
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Carmen: Visa Platinum top card, sent from[br]Torland for $35. Apparently this was a
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Visa prepaid. We received a visa, so the[br]visa number, the expiry date, the name and
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the little number you have on the back.[br]Doma: And we didn't dare to use it.
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Carmen: Then, sixth week the random[br]darknet shopper selected 10 yellow ecstasy
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pills with a Twitter logo on them...[br]giggling in the audience
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Carmen: ... sent from Germany for $48 to[br]Switzerland; they actually arrived. We
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took them as a title for the talk also,[br]because we really liked the description.
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We displayed them like the rest.[br]Doma: They came in this stealth packaging,
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pretending to be a DVD in this alufoil and[br]then vacuumed again.
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Carmen: Yes and around about this time,[br]also the press started picking up on the
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work, because they kind of felt that this[br]random darknet shopper was questioning or
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posing questions around who's responsible[br]if a bot commits something illegal. So,
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"What happens when a software box goes on[br]the darknet shopping spree?", the Guardian
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asked. Who is responsible when a bot[br]randomly shops for ecstasy in the darknet?
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Is it the person who programmed it, is it[br]the person who executes it, can a robot or
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a piece of software be jailed if it[br]commits a crime?
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giggling in the audience[br]Doma: And also what happens if the code is
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open source and written by many people,[br]like if you have an algorithm which goes
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wild?[br]Carmen: But the random darknet shopper
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just continued shopping and it bought some[br]Nike Air Yeezy 2 limited edition trainers
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for $75.[br]Doma: If you convert the bitcoins into
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nowadays' value, it would be around $3000.[br]laughter
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Doma: It costed $75 at the time.[br]Carmen: Then, we received a cap with a
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built-in camera that little... that's[br]where the camera is, from the US for $99.
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Doma: Then a thing I really liked, it's[br]called the decoy first class letter. So,
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it's basically a plain letter you receive,[br]like a service and it came from Australia,
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addressed to our exhibition space in[br]Switzerland. It's basically an empty
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letter, just to basically traceroute your[br]postal system, to check if the system is
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ok, if you can receive mails...[br]giggling in the audience
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Doma: ...if it's... maybe somebody opens[br]it. So, the idea by buying stuff in the
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deep webs is basically also to anonymize[br]somehow your postal box and to test that
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you can basically send yourself a letter[br]and see if something happens. It's also
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good tactics, basically, if you want to[br]introduce a new address somewhere, start
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sending letters there and the post office,[br]the post person, the delivery person, will
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get used to it and basically...[br]Carmen: Yeah. The next item was a Sprite
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stash can. You probably know this, this is[br]an empty soda can, constructed to weigh
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the same as a full one and you can screw[br]the top on, so you can place whatever you
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want inside and it's hidden away[br]Doma: Then, the next one: These Diesel man
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jeans replica from Hong Kong for $79.[br]Carmen: And the last item we received was
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a high quality scan of a Hungarian[br]passport for online verification. So, here
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you see, this is basically how we[br]displayed the items and this all went
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really well, until we took down the[br]exhibition in January 2015 and the day
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after the exhibition closed, the public[br]prosecutor of St. Gallen in Switzerland
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basically seized the whole work and we[br]were a bit confused.
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laughter[br]applause
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Carmen: So, we were a bit confused in the[br]first moment, because of the timing. So,
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after the exhibition closed, they seized[br]the whole work, but it turned out, that
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for them it was mostly about the drugs the[br]random darknet shopper had bought. We were
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kind of worried about the passport and the[br]visa card as well, which they felt was
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totally okay.[br]laughter
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Doma: And in the first moment, the[br]question also by the public prosecutor was
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raised, it was about responsibility: Who[br]is responsible in this specific moment? Is
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it the artists who wrote the code? Is it[br]the museum who basically hosts the show?
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Is it the curator? Is it the people who[br]work there? Because me and Carmen, we have
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never touched those drugs; we have not,[br]basically... it was all done somehow
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automatically. Or is it the bot himself[br]who is somehow its own legal entity and
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could be punished? So, in order to somehow[br]also protect the staff of the museum and
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to also to get our items back, we thought[br]"The stuff is ours; we want the things
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back.", we raised our hands and said "No;[br]I think, if you want to charge somebody,
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you should charge us."[br]Carmen: And we were summoned for an
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interrogation, which was really[br]interesting. There we learned that the
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drugs actually contained MDMA, so the[br]police had tested them and confirmed that
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they did.[br]Doma: I mean, we knew through the ratings
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on the drugs on the darknet markets, that[br]this stuff was good.
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laughter[br]Carmen: But then we kind of had to
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discuss. We tried to explain what we[br]were... that we were trying to raise these
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questions in public through publicly[br]accessible art piece, because we felt it
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very important that we talk about these[br]things. Nevertheless, the public
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prosecutor decided to destroy the drugs,[br]which was very unfortunate. We, of cause,
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claimed they were an art piece.[br]Doma: So, you're destroying an art piece
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here and our lawyer was also referencing[br]all other artworks which involved drug
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from the whole history.[br]Carmen: Yeah, but we did receive the whole
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work back in the end, except for the[br]drugs, and all charges were dropped
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against us and the public prosecutor wrote[br]a very nice letter, saying that we
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actually were allowed to break certain[br]laws to raise certain questions within
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society. Without specifically naming[br]freedom of art.
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Doma: So, our understanding of why they[br]seized the whole thing, is that they were
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afraid what the next artist would do. So,[br]the first one buys it, the second one
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takes it as a performative act and the[br]third one gives it to the audience and
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it's kind of clear that they need to draw[br]a line. So, the question about
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responsibility was not solved.[br]Carmen: No, we still have it. We then
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continued with this question of bots and[br]the mechanical gaze... Oh, okay. You're
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jumping, sorry, wrong introduction... The[br]same year, we were asked to do a public
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art piece, which is always the case in[br]Switzerland when public buildings are
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built, part of the money has to go into an[br]art piece and usually that art piece is
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sculptural: It can be a sculpture in the[br]lobby o...
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Doma: ... a sculpture in public space. It[br]should... there're different kind of
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things you need to address; the public art[br]piece should work for 30 years, should be
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sustainable, so it's mostly made out of[br]stone.
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Carmen: So, for us as digital artists,[br]this was a very interesting question, also
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because the building is the house for[br]Electronic Arts in Basel, also
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Switzerland. So, for us the question was[br]"How can we talk about digital topics, but
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not using digital media?"[br]Doma: And we asked ourself "Is there a way
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of... I mean we thought a lot about[br]architecture and software and how
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basically the software you use is also[br]infecting the architecture which is built
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and since this is all software, what we[br]have never seen is a software error. So,
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we ask ourself "Is it possible to build or[br]is it funny to build a software error into
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stone?" and...[br]Carmen: We kind of had to try that.
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Doma: We had to try that, so we took a[br]picture of the place, of this house, and
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basically glitched it through a small[br]script and told them to rebuild it and
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this is how it looks now.[br]Carmen: This is what the building looks
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like today. So, they... You can see it.[br]They...
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applause[br]Carmen: And when you stand there it kind
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of gives you a surreal feeling: There's a[br]square in front of this facade and you
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you're not sure, whether your eyes are[br]wrong or the building is wrong, and then,
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when you come closer, you then, of course,[br]see.
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Doma: And also here, the glitch reveals[br]stuff, like... People came to us and asked
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"How does the piping system work?"[br]giggling
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Doma: "Is it still here?" And this is[br]something which we like about software
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glitches. That you sometimes you get an[br]understanding how a system works only of
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breaking it or by forcing it to throw[br]errors.
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Carmen: Then we...[br]*the 2 lecturers discuss something,
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whispering*[br]Carmen: Sorry.
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Doma: We need to discuss what we are[br]speaking about.
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laughter[br]Doma Okay, so we'll skip another project,
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because we are running out of the time.[br]Carmen: I think the last piece we'd like
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to just quickly show you is very recent.[br]We're still kind of amazed at this. So,
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this year, we were asked to do a book on[br]our work and we felt... This was really
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difficult for us, because usually we do[br]websites and you can change websites and
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then you do a book and you kind of... it's[br]printed and then it's there and that
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really... it was very hard for us, but[br]once we decided to do this, we kept
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thinking about "How can we break this very[br]static print format of the book?" and
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together with the 2 designers of the book,[br]Konrad Renner (???) and Christoph Knurz
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(???), we thought about... we said "Well,[br]the title should be code, because maybe
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through the title, you could inject code[br]into various websites, because books,
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they're online, you can buy them online.[br]And we decided to go
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for as its title.
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Dona: JavaScript, which normally, like[br]YAML, you can't write JavaScript into a
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commentary field on Facebook, because[br]these things is parsed out and so the
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browser does not execute that code, so[br]they check it, but we thought "Maybe if
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it's so deep in the databases, like the[br]ISBN databases, the national
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bibliographies and whatever, it might pop[br]up somewhere."
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laughter[br]applause
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Carmen:And the book came out in September[br]and then in October we realized that on
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Walther Kรถnig, which is a big art[br]bookseller with a big online website, it
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worked, so when you search for[br]"!Mediangruppe Bitnik" on the website...
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Hope this works... And you go to the[br]catalog...
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laughter[br]applause
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Doma: So, this one this one is pretty[br]okay. I mean, normally if you... on other
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website it breaks the "buy" button, which[br]is not in our interest, but...
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laughter[br]Doma: So, you can still buy it on
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Buchhandlung Walther Kรถnig. Just click[br]"okay" and then it's okay. So, here's just
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a small collection of 10, 12, which are[br]popping up. It's like... everyday we get
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more. And we can show you a small video of[br]2, 3 pieces.
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Carmen: Don't know what we're going to see[br]now. I think eBay.
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Doma: I don't know.[br]Carmen: Okay. This is eBay.
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Doma: So, ebay.co.uk.[br]smartphone notification sound
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Doma: BAM! And this only worked on or...[br]they already fixed it, so somebody made a
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bug report. I like this one.[br]smartphone notification sound
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laughter[br]Doma: So, thank you!
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Carmen: Thanks.[br]applause
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herald speaks, but it is unintelligible[br]due to technical problems
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Herald: We have 5 minutes for a very short[br]Q&A if there are already people lying out
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(???). Please, number 2.[br]M2: Very cool talk, thanks. I'm from
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Switzerland, so I wonder, you were lucky[br]that you got dropped off the charges. How
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much would it got for the charges if you[br]would not drop them? Do you know?
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Doma: I don't you know. I mean, it was[br]basically or here it was about drug
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possession and 10 ecstasy pills and we[br]were totally okay to take this fine. We
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don't know it, but it was kind of...[br]Carmen: It would have been fine, because
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in Switzerland, according to our lawyer,[br]it would have been for personal use. I
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mean, this is not the amount you carry[br]around, apparently, if you're selling, so
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we would have gotten away with a fine.[br]M2: So and I... Thanks very much that you
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said that actually writing the code and[br]then the program buys it makes you
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actually responsible, right? So, would[br]you... At the end you said, it was your...
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"I would take the charge", because you[br]were writing the code...
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Carmen: Yes, the problem was that usually,[br]at least in Swiss law, possession of drugs
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needs to mean that the drugs were either[br]found on your person or in a space that
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can be... that definitely belongs to you.[br]And the problem was that it was clear from
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the process that we hadn't touched the[br]drugs and we didn't want somebody else to
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get fined for drug possession ; that would[br]have made no sense. We wanted to also
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publicly discuss this... having to step up[br]and say "No, it was us."
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M2: Thanks.[br]Herald: Okay, final one.
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Microphone x: Hi. Sorry... thanks for the[br]talk. I have to ask: Does the plumbing
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work?[br]Carmen: Yeah. It works, because... so the
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pillars were... I'll try to explain[br]briefly. So, architecturally this building
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was a storage for dry goods and the[br]pillars used to support the building, but
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when they turned it into a museum, they[br]actually filled the space between the
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pillars with insulation, so the pillars[br]were gone. And then the architects didn't
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like it. They thought, the pillars should[br]be there, because the building didn't look
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good, so they actually put fake pillars[br]onto the facade again and so we could just
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take the empty pillars and cut them up and[br]put the plumbing inside. So, now the
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visible plumbing is fake, but the real[br]plumbing is inside the pillars; that's how
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it works.[br]applause
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Herald: Amazing work. One final, big round[br]of applause for Mediengruppe Bitnik and
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thanks for being here![br]Carmen: Thank you; thanks.
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Doma: Thank you.[br]applause
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