WEBVTT 00:00:19.995 --> 00:00:22.465 Today, I'm going to tell you my story. 00:00:26.337 --> 00:00:29.936 And it's the first time I've spoken publicly about it. 00:00:30.457 --> 00:00:33.276 (Applause) (Cheers) 00:00:40.705 --> 00:00:42.025 Thank you. 00:00:43.264 --> 00:00:45.561 And I'm feeling quite apprehensive about it. 00:00:45.561 --> 00:00:47.117 And, as Mary said, 00:00:47.117 --> 00:00:53.227 it's actually been far more challenging getting to this point than I had realized. 00:00:53.227 --> 00:00:56.573 I felt fine about it, until I got to New Zealand. 00:00:56.573 --> 00:01:01.179 And, as the days got closer, I've got even less fine about it. 00:01:06.488 --> 00:01:07.750 Last month, 00:01:07.750 --> 00:01:11.839 Jeremy Clarkson, who's a Top Gear host, 00:01:12.230 --> 00:01:14.657 punched his producer in the face, 00:01:15.129 --> 00:01:16.916 and he was fired. 00:01:17.916 --> 00:01:21.059 He'd been warned multiple times about his behaviour. 00:01:21.059 --> 00:01:24.272 In 2014, he was given a final warning. 00:01:24.809 --> 00:01:29.561 One million people petitioned BBC to have him reinstated, 00:01:30.718 --> 00:01:32.409 but, if you notice, 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:35.823 the producer is missing from the coversation. 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:41.431 We don't know what kind of impact this has had on him, 00:01:41.811 --> 00:01:46.471 but we do know that Clarkson's fans have blamed him for this situation. 00:01:46.471 --> 00:01:50.067 He's been relentlessly pursued on social media. 00:01:51.780 --> 00:01:53.669 The question I ask all of you is: 00:01:53.669 --> 00:01:57.850 who's the victim and who's the villain in this scenario? 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.821 And just because Clarkson's popular and famous 00:02:01.821 --> 00:02:04.211 doesn't make what he did right. 00:02:04.831 --> 00:02:07.911 I've always been fascinated by right and wrong. 00:02:07.911 --> 00:02:10.121 At ten, I wrote a short story 00:02:10.121 --> 00:02:13.010 about what it would be like to be in solitary confinement. 00:02:13.010 --> 00:02:17.557 I wondered what it would be like to live in a small cell that I couldn't leave. 00:02:17.892 --> 00:02:23.311 In my 30s, I taught life skills to minimum security prisoners on day release. 00:02:23.311 --> 00:02:27.211 At university, I studied crime and criminal justice. 00:02:27.211 --> 00:02:31.331 And some years later, I went to work in a maximum security prison. 00:02:32.162 --> 00:02:36.612 It was the most interesting and exciting job I'd ever had, 00:02:37.262 --> 00:02:39.692 but it was also the hardest. 00:02:42.972 --> 00:02:47.608 A coronial report into suicides of five male prisoners, 00:02:47.608 --> 00:02:49.494 in a four-month period, 00:02:49.494 --> 00:02:52.543 found gross inadequacies in the system. 00:02:53.225 --> 00:02:58.162 The recommendation to change from warehousing prisoners to rehabilitation 00:02:58.162 --> 00:03:00.303 was why I was employed. 00:03:00.734 --> 00:03:05.303 My role was to develop pre and post-release programs 00:03:05.813 --> 00:03:10.568 to support long-term prisoners ready to get back into the community. 00:03:11.226 --> 00:03:15.173 I was full of idealism, ideas and energy. 00:03:15.173 --> 00:03:17.516 And, though I thought I knew what it would be like 00:03:17.516 --> 00:03:19.705 to work in a maximum security prison, 00:03:19.705 --> 00:03:21.615 I really had no idea. 00:03:22.073 --> 00:03:26.823 It was the most toxic and boiling system I'd ever worked in. 00:03:27.774 --> 00:03:29.763 I didn't realize it at the time, though, 00:03:29.763 --> 00:03:33.046 but it would redefine my work from here on in, 00:03:33.046 --> 00:03:35.775 and it opened my eyes to a world of bullying 00:03:35.775 --> 00:03:39.663 and gave me the idea that we should be addressing bullying differently. 00:03:41.393 --> 00:03:45.351 While I worked at the prison, I was bullied every day. 00:03:46.816 --> 00:03:50.496 Some days it was subtle, and I wondered if I'd imagined it. 00:03:51.696 --> 00:03:54.532 At other times, it was very direct. 00:03:56.705 --> 00:04:00.105 I was accused of trafficking contraband items, 00:04:01.178 --> 00:04:05.514 I was investigated routinely for alleged security violations, 00:04:05.896 --> 00:04:10.489 I was verbally threatened, and I was physically cornered. 00:04:12.087 --> 00:04:16.672 I felt safer in the company of prisoners than I did with my own colleagues, 00:04:17.446 --> 00:04:22.325 and I built relationships with them based on respect and compassion. 00:04:22.956 --> 00:04:26.726 They trusted me and, for the most part, I trusted them. 00:04:27.568 --> 00:04:29.224 By contrast, 00:04:29.958 --> 00:04:32.986 my colleagues operated as separate individuals. 00:04:33.328 --> 00:04:35.347 Everyone was out for themselves. 00:04:35.347 --> 00:04:39.950 There was zero trust, and we were pitted against each other. 00:04:40.908 --> 00:04:43.607 When I couldn't summon the energy to go into the prison, 00:04:43.607 --> 00:04:46.970 I took refuge in my office outside the prison grounds. 00:04:47.478 --> 00:04:49.507 My resilience lowered - 00:04:49.909 --> 00:04:51.519 pardon me - 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:54.084 and I was emotionally exhausted. 00:04:54.858 --> 00:04:58.737 I operated in a state of hypervigilance and fear, 00:04:58.737 --> 00:05:01.073 even when I wasn't at work. 00:05:01.969 --> 00:05:05.036 I expected the worst all the time. 00:05:05.950 --> 00:05:09.730 It affected me, my family and my relationships, 00:05:09.730 --> 00:05:12.502 and it took over my life completely. 00:05:13.148 --> 00:05:15.580 I worked in the prison for four years, 00:05:15.580 --> 00:05:18.567 and, when I left, the bullying still didn't stop. 00:05:19.101 --> 00:05:23.199 I continued to tutor prison students on a voluntary basis, 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:25.051 and I was falsely accused 00:05:25.051 --> 00:05:28.879 of supplying a prisoner with the plans to the new prison, 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:32.586 which, I might add, were freely available in the public domain. 00:05:33.411 --> 00:05:35.182 As a result, 00:05:35.182 --> 00:05:39.616 I was banned from every prison in Australia for life. 00:05:40.072 --> 00:05:41.548 When I left the prison service, 00:05:41.548 --> 00:05:45.763 I suffered severe anxiety and regular panic attacks. 00:05:45.763 --> 00:05:50.200 I was self-destructive, obsessed with what had happened to me, 00:05:50.200 --> 00:05:52.211 unable to do even the most basic things, 00:05:52.211 --> 00:05:55.452 like shop or pay the bills or cook for my family. 00:05:55.990 --> 00:05:58.423 I thought about suicide. 00:05:58.901 --> 00:06:03.433 I suffered a complete breakdown, and was unable to work for some years. 00:06:03.872 --> 00:06:06.411 Though this situation sounds extreme, 00:06:06.411 --> 00:06:09.122 it's actually more common than you'd think. 00:06:10.092 --> 00:06:13.916 One conversation I had with the director of the prisons was revealing. 00:06:14.684 --> 00:06:19.413 I expressed concern about noticing that management were bullying staff. 00:06:20.432 --> 00:06:24.001 He told me that, as far as he was concerned, 00:06:24.001 --> 00:06:27.660 there was no one being bullied because no one had reported it. 00:06:28.511 --> 00:06:35.073 Seventy-two percent of employers deny, discount and defend bullying behaviour. 00:06:35.406 --> 00:06:38.487 The director of prisons was a case in point. 00:06:39.475 --> 00:06:43.375 Staff told me that being bullied was common for them, 00:06:43.375 --> 00:06:47.180 but they're adamant that they weren't going to make a complaint. 00:06:47.606 --> 00:06:50.571 They told me it was a quick way to end their career. 00:06:51.149 --> 00:06:55.205 One wonders how long the BBC producer might last in his role, 00:06:55.205 --> 00:07:00.496 and, by the way, his name is Oisin Tymon, he's 38 and he comes from Ireland. 00:07:00.925 --> 00:07:03.106 Following my prison experience, 00:07:03.106 --> 00:07:06.083 it would have been easy to believe that people are born bullies 00:07:06.083 --> 00:07:08.987 and deliberately want to cause others harm. 00:07:08.987 --> 00:07:13.336 Instead, I realized what happened to me was cultural, not personal. 00:07:13.878 --> 00:07:16.957 I knew that wasn't the only one being affected. 00:07:16.957 --> 00:07:20.421 Staff and management were all products of their environment, 00:07:20.421 --> 00:07:24.819 and, in this environment, it was normal practice to treat others badly. 00:07:24.819 --> 00:07:27.567 We're all affected by the same system. 00:07:27.979 --> 00:07:30.668 And prisons aren't alone in creating and maintaining 00:07:30.668 --> 00:07:33.537 a brutal or authoritarian closed system. 00:07:34.878 --> 00:07:37.268 In my professional work, I've seen a clear link 00:07:37.268 --> 00:07:41.886 between authoritarian management styles, closed systems and bullying. 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.787 And organizations can implicitly encourage bullying 00:07:45.787 --> 00:07:48.175 by the practices they normalize. 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:52.069 If an organization does not spell out expected behaviours, 00:07:52.069 --> 00:07:55.778 then bullying behaviours can became accepted practice, 00:07:55.778 --> 00:07:58.401 and all the time I saw this in the prison. 00:07:58.961 --> 00:08:01.540 I saw new employees' behaviour change 00:08:01.540 --> 00:08:04.769 from being respectful to disrespectful and bullying. 00:08:05.159 --> 00:08:09.952 My focus has shifted to understanding and preventing bullying. 00:08:09.952 --> 00:08:14.220 I feel compelled to change a system that allows this harm to happen. 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:19.610 And the relationship between culture and the construction of power is crucial 00:08:19.610 --> 00:08:24.275 to understanding how bullying manifests and becomes entrenched behaviour. 00:08:25.041 --> 00:08:28.650 In workplaces where unequal power relationships are the norm, 00:08:28.650 --> 00:08:31.161 it's not unusual to find workplace bullying, 00:08:31.161 --> 00:08:36.249 nor is it unusual to find passive acceptance of that bullying. 00:08:37.912 --> 00:08:40.172 For me, the way back to health 00:08:40.172 --> 00:08:42.831 was to learn everything I could about bullying. 00:08:42.831 --> 00:08:45.101 I was determined to make a change 00:08:45.101 --> 00:08:48.841 about how workplace had thought about and addressed this issue, 00:08:49.293 --> 00:08:53.602 but the information I found was simplistic and rudimentary. 00:08:54.073 --> 00:08:58.652 For example, the standard response to the problem of bullying 00:08:58.652 --> 00:09:03.017 is to redefine the problem so that it becomes easier to deal with. 00:09:03.515 --> 00:09:05.412 Let me repeat that: 00:09:05.412 --> 00:09:09.749 redefining the problem of bullying makes it easier to deal with; 00:09:10.253 --> 00:09:11.863 for instance, 00:09:11.863 --> 00:09:16.103 labelling a problem between two people as personality conflict, 00:09:16.103 --> 00:09:19.366 or labelling a person as a bad apple. 00:09:19.994 --> 00:09:23.852 In these scenarios, we cast one person as the victim 00:09:23.852 --> 00:09:26.165 and the other, the villain, 00:09:26.165 --> 00:09:30.524 and it leads to finding someone is right and someone is wrong, 00:09:30.524 --> 00:09:34.854 and it never gets to the heart of why the bullying occurs in the first place, 00:09:34.854 --> 00:09:38.663 and nor does it take into account the interconnections between people 00:09:38.663 --> 00:09:40.802 and the culture they work in. 00:09:42.083 --> 00:09:44.168 Take Clarkson's example. 00:09:44.794 --> 00:09:48.639 His inappropriate behaviour had been allowed to continue for years. 00:09:49.558 --> 00:09:53.961 Just warning Clarkson to improve his behaviour was never going to work. 00:09:54.446 --> 00:09:57.536 I think BBC management needed to spell out 00:09:57.536 --> 00:10:01.195 appropriate behavioural expectations for Clarkson, 00:10:01.195 --> 00:10:03.505 and, if he didn't behave appropriately, 00:10:03.505 --> 00:10:06.527 then they needed to call him on it immediately. 00:10:07.084 --> 00:10:11.416 It's an employee's responsibility to behave appropriately, 00:10:11.416 --> 00:10:13.385 but it's a management's responsibility 00:10:13.385 --> 00:10:17.667 to bring inappropriate behaviour to an employee's attention 00:10:17.667 --> 00:10:20.310 and, if necessary, provide training. 00:10:20.666 --> 00:10:23.928 This whole situation could have been avoided. 00:10:25.102 --> 00:10:29.118 Bullying is complex and cannot be understood in isolation. 00:10:29.118 --> 00:10:32.477 It forms part of a complex set of interplays 00:10:32.477 --> 00:10:37.098 between culture, people, behaviour and work practices, 00:10:37.098 --> 00:10:42.132 and the way the pair is constructed underpins all these relationships. 00:10:43.738 --> 00:10:48.810 I believe we need to develop a holistic view of the interconnections 00:10:48.810 --> 00:10:54.002 and how they shape and influence all the people in the conflict. 00:10:54.939 --> 00:10:57.658 Bullying negatively impacts health, 00:10:57.658 --> 00:11:02.303 and has high personal, social and organizational costs. 00:11:02.868 --> 00:11:06.847 Health impacts can range from minor to severe, 00:11:06.847 --> 00:11:10.623 and can last long after the bullying has ceased. 00:11:11.528 --> 00:11:13.519 Unlike physical injuries, 00:11:14.259 --> 00:11:16.449 many impacts of bullying go unnoticed, 00:11:16.449 --> 00:11:20.528 and the longer they go unnoticed the more severe they become. 00:11:24.038 --> 00:11:28.431 So, if bullying isn't about blame, what can we do to change this system? 00:11:29.161 --> 00:11:31.199 We currently look for evidence of bullying 00:11:31.199 --> 00:11:35.760 and ask on the balance of probabilities which scenario is more probable. 00:11:36.239 --> 00:11:38.798 This creates an adversarial position 00:11:38.798 --> 00:11:42.500 and leads to finding someone who's right and someone who's wrong, 00:11:42.500 --> 00:11:46.201 and it puts the victim-villain narratives into stage. 00:11:46.608 --> 00:11:50.209 It's blaming and ultimately divisive. 00:11:50.209 --> 00:11:54.988 The process can easily reproduce the very behaviours it seeks to address. 00:11:55.660 --> 00:11:59.617 Not only does it reproduce them, but it also reinforces them. 00:12:00.307 --> 00:12:04.410 Many clients have told me that they felt more damaged by the complaint process 00:12:04.410 --> 00:12:07.023 than the actual bullying incidents, 00:12:07.441 --> 00:12:09.253 and, unlike physical injuries, 00:12:09.253 --> 00:12:11.932 complainants are required to prove and demonstrate 00:12:11.932 --> 00:12:15.962 their psychological damage has been caused by the bullying. 00:12:16.541 --> 00:12:19.016 I think we can manage this differently. 00:12:19.586 --> 00:12:24.002 I devised a process that, rather than finding a villain-victim, 00:12:24.002 --> 00:12:27.001 looks to the culture, the structural mechanisms, 00:12:27.001 --> 00:12:30.902 the behaviour expectations and workplace practices, 00:12:30.902 --> 00:12:33.642 and seeks answers from those things. 00:12:33.642 --> 00:12:35.332 It doesn't assign blame, 00:12:35.332 --> 00:12:39.570 and it shifts the focus from the bully to the bullying behaviour. 00:12:40.212 --> 00:12:41.634 This means that we understand 00:12:41.634 --> 00:12:46.293 the bullying behaviour is a symptom of a toxic culture as the problem, 00:12:46.293 --> 00:12:49.258 rather than the person as the problem. 00:12:49.862 --> 00:12:53.213 This allows personal blame to be removed from the equation, 00:12:53.213 --> 00:12:58.404 and replaced with personal accountability and organizational responsibility. 00:12:59.784 --> 00:13:04.222 Most people develop insight into how they've blamed someone fairly quickly, 00:13:04.222 --> 00:13:08.614 and they're horrified when they learn how and in what way they've caused harm. 00:13:09.114 --> 00:13:13.645 In my experience, most people act from a lack of interpersonal skill, 00:13:13.645 --> 00:13:17.653 a lack of self-awareness and the inability to self-reflect. 00:13:17.653 --> 00:13:22.103 They don't act from a place that means to cause deliberate harm. 00:13:22.633 --> 00:13:27.221 My approach moves from an individual focus to a system's focus, 00:13:28.233 --> 00:13:32.756 meaning responsibility for what is shared is shared amongst all involved, 00:13:32.756 --> 00:13:36.606 but it also comes from a place that says bullying behaviour is learned 00:13:36.606 --> 00:13:39.136 and, therefore, can be unlearned. 00:13:39.136 --> 00:13:41.656 The focus is on the whole of cultural response 00:13:41.656 --> 00:13:46.976 that restores and heals macro and micro relationships, 00:13:46.976 --> 00:13:50.496 and it needs three main ingredients to be successful. 00:13:50.496 --> 00:13:54.597 My experience in using this approach has been encouraging. 00:13:54.597 --> 00:13:58.071 An example of this is an organization I've been working with. 00:13:58.667 --> 00:14:00.886 Using root-cause analysis, 00:14:01.266 --> 00:14:05.102 I identified three problem areas in the organization. 00:14:05.948 --> 00:14:07.935 The solutions included: 00:14:07.935 --> 00:14:12.157 new systems developed to manage and prevent conflict; 00:14:13.045 --> 00:14:17.560 individual conflict coaching and leadership coaching was applied; 00:14:17.560 --> 00:14:20.493 and teams engaged in restorative relationship building 00:14:20.493 --> 00:14:23.121 and communication practices. 00:14:23.121 --> 00:14:25.153 After six months, 00:14:25.153 --> 00:14:29.073 I hardly know the place, and neither did the workers. 00:14:30.100 --> 00:14:34.781 Congratulations must go to my client and their employees 00:14:34.781 --> 00:14:38.493 for committing to a process that's a complete paradigm shift 00:14:38.493 --> 00:14:41.703 from the way that they would normally handle conflict. 00:14:42.752 --> 00:14:46.903 In future, they have the skills, understanding and strategies 00:14:46.903 --> 00:14:50.051 to effectively address conflict issues. 00:14:50.660 --> 00:14:52.744 Staff and management have changed the way 00:14:52.744 --> 00:14:57.198 that they understand, see and approach conflict, 00:14:57.198 --> 00:15:02.565 and, even better, conflict is dealt with proactively and early. 00:15:03.745 --> 00:15:06.873 By removing the blame and punitive processes 00:15:06.873 --> 00:15:09.864 and replacing them with a preventative focus, 00:15:09.864 --> 00:15:12.484 the whole organization is able to build a culture 00:15:12.484 --> 00:15:16.806 that expects and reinforces respectful behaviour. 00:15:17.703 --> 00:15:21.452 For me, an unintended consequence of this way of working 00:15:21.452 --> 00:15:25.856 has been that it also changes the way people see and deal with conflict 00:15:25.856 --> 00:15:27.955 in other areas of their lives. 00:15:28.416 --> 00:15:32.444 My clients tell me that they now have a transferable set of skills 00:15:32.444 --> 00:15:36.804 that they can use and pass on to others, especially their children. 00:15:37.207 --> 00:15:41.895 We have an opportunity to shift from the victim-villain narrative 00:15:41.895 --> 00:15:44.145 and move to a unified system 00:15:44.145 --> 00:15:47.497 that respects all parties and perspectives. 00:15:47.957 --> 00:15:49.176 Thank you. 00:15:49.176 --> 00:15:51.446 (Applause)