1 00:00:01,698 --> 00:00:06,152 In February 2013, my wife and I moved to Singapore. 2 00:00:06,651 --> 00:00:08,230 Exactly at the same time, 3 00:00:08,254 --> 00:00:11,512 Uber has announced it started operations in the country. 4 00:00:11,536 --> 00:00:15,432 Now, my wife and I agree on a lot of things, 5 00:00:15,456 --> 00:00:18,718 but using Uber was definitely not one of them. 6 00:00:19,797 --> 00:00:21,823 While I was excited about the technology 7 00:00:21,847 --> 00:00:25,093 and how maybe we don't need to own cars anymore, 8 00:00:25,117 --> 00:00:30,618 she felt that every Uber car is here to steal jobs from taxi drivers. 9 00:00:32,519 --> 00:00:34,585 And Sarah was not the only one. 10 00:00:35,519 --> 00:00:38,891 As the Ubers, Airbnbs and Amazons of the world -- 11 00:00:38,915 --> 00:00:41,299 what we call "online marketplaces" -- 12 00:00:41,323 --> 00:00:44,720 as they started expanding their presence, 13 00:00:44,744 --> 00:00:48,029 we have heard, all of us, countless policymakers 14 00:00:48,053 --> 00:00:50,720 worried about how to deal with these new risks 15 00:00:50,744 --> 00:00:54,609 of job destruction, lower wages and tax leakage. 16 00:00:55,244 --> 00:00:57,527 We've also heard company leaders 17 00:00:57,551 --> 00:01:00,892 worried about aggressive competition from global platforms 18 00:01:00,916 --> 00:01:03,116 eating up their local businesses. 19 00:01:04,067 --> 00:01:07,146 And on the rational level, of course I understand. 20 00:01:07,750 --> 00:01:10,553 After all, this is basic supply and demand economics. 21 00:01:10,577 --> 00:01:13,458 If, in any market, you dramatically increase supply, 22 00:01:13,482 --> 00:01:16,961 you should expect prices, profitability and growth to go down 23 00:01:16,985 --> 00:01:18,385 for existing players. 24 00:01:19,371 --> 00:01:21,466 But in my personal experience, 25 00:01:21,490 --> 00:01:24,591 I've also seen the other side of the story. 26 00:01:24,615 --> 00:01:26,148 Where online marketplaces, 27 00:01:26,172 --> 00:01:29,861 like Gojek in Indonesia or Jumia in Africa, 28 00:01:29,885 --> 00:01:33,860 have helped their business ecosystems and the communities around them. 29 00:01:34,170 --> 00:01:35,895 The positive side I have seen 30 00:01:35,919 --> 00:01:40,697 demonstrated itself in a woman, a taxi driver in Egypt, 31 00:01:40,721 --> 00:01:42,776 that now had the opportunity to work 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,577 without the harassment she faced in the taxi business. 33 00:01:45,601 --> 00:01:50,662 It demonstrated itself through a village in Kenya 34 00:01:50,686 --> 00:01:52,347 that got an economic boost, 35 00:01:52,371 --> 00:01:55,649 because the nearby beautiful but completely unknown lake 36 00:01:55,673 --> 00:01:58,749 is now becoming a national ecotourism spot. 37 00:02:00,276 --> 00:02:03,323 Online marketplaces will continue to grow. 38 00:02:03,347 --> 00:02:05,276 And they will transform the way we shop, 39 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:06,482 the way we travel 40 00:02:06,506 --> 00:02:08,537 and the way we transact with each other. 41 00:02:08,561 --> 00:02:11,371 So we really need to understand 42 00:02:11,395 --> 00:02:14,347 where is the truth between those two stories. 43 00:02:14,736 --> 00:02:17,688 Should we expect more of the bright side 44 00:02:17,712 --> 00:02:19,978 or more of the dark and worrying side? 45 00:02:20,585 --> 00:02:24,235 And is there a way to get the first without getting the second? 46 00:02:24,839 --> 00:02:26,106 I believe there is. 47 00:02:26,514 --> 00:02:30,045 As a strategy consultant, I study businesses for a living. 48 00:02:30,069 --> 00:02:31,752 And as a mathematician at heart, 49 00:02:31,776 --> 00:02:34,982 I couldn't live with something and its opposite being equally true. 50 00:02:35,006 --> 00:02:39,315 So, I went back to fundamentals, and I asked the question: 51 00:02:39,339 --> 00:02:42,505 What do online marketplaces really do? 52 00:02:42,903 --> 00:02:44,053 What do they do? 53 00:02:45,347 --> 00:02:47,164 Well, at their core, 54 00:02:47,188 --> 00:02:49,269 they're doing something very simple. 55 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:51,583 They match sellers and buyers. 56 00:02:52,044 --> 00:02:53,194 That's it. 57 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,996 For drivers and passengers, 58 00:02:56,020 --> 00:02:58,403 you get Uber, Grab in Southeast Asia 59 00:02:58,427 --> 00:02:59,955 or DiDi in China. 60 00:03:00,688 --> 00:03:02,874 For matching merchants and consumers, 61 00:03:02,898 --> 00:03:05,903 you get Amazon, Alibaba or Jumia in Africa. 62 00:03:05,927 --> 00:03:08,244 And for housing, you get Airbnb; 63 00:03:08,268 --> 00:03:10,410 for fundraising, you get Kickstarter -- 64 00:03:10,434 --> 00:03:11,584 the list goes on. 65 00:03:12,125 --> 00:03:14,887 What all these examples have in common 66 00:03:14,911 --> 00:03:17,450 is that they transition this basic functionality 67 00:03:17,474 --> 00:03:19,125 of matching sellers and buyers 68 00:03:19,149 --> 00:03:22,196 from the physical world to the digital world. 69 00:03:22,220 --> 00:03:24,133 And by doing so, 70 00:03:24,157 --> 00:03:25,968 they can find better matches, 71 00:03:25,992 --> 00:03:27,156 do it faster 72 00:03:27,180 --> 00:03:30,196 and ultimately, unlock more value for everyone. 73 00:03:31,847 --> 00:03:35,307 In fact, online marketplaces' core benefit 74 00:03:35,331 --> 00:03:39,013 is that they get us more from the same amount of effort. 75 00:03:39,958 --> 00:03:41,537 For example, 76 00:03:41,561 --> 00:03:43,934 if you're a taxi driver in San Francisco 77 00:03:43,958 --> 00:03:46,568 and you decide to work 10 hours per day, 78 00:03:47,609 --> 00:03:50,664 then you're actually having a paying passenger in your car 79 00:03:50,688 --> 00:03:52,622 for four hours out of the 10. 80 00:03:53,168 --> 00:03:57,287 If you take the same car and put it on a platform like Uber, 81 00:03:57,311 --> 00:03:59,209 you can have paying passengers 82 00:03:59,233 --> 00:04:01,422 for an additional one and a half hours. 83 00:04:01,446 --> 00:04:05,752 This is the same car becoming 40 percent more productive. 84 00:04:06,466 --> 00:04:10,164 And the same has been proven true for other online marketplaces. 85 00:04:10,188 --> 00:04:14,156 By design, they create more value for the economy. 86 00:04:16,339 --> 00:04:20,363 Now, we need to figure out who gets this additional value. 87 00:04:20,895 --> 00:04:22,808 You can give it to the drivers -- 88 00:04:22,832 --> 00:04:24,720 more passengers, more income. 89 00:04:24,744 --> 00:04:27,760 You can give it to consumers, if you reduce prices. 90 00:04:27,784 --> 00:04:30,799 Or you can decide that the platform gets to keep all of it. 91 00:04:31,689 --> 00:04:34,149 What usually happens is that all three of them 92 00:04:34,173 --> 00:04:35,706 would somehow split it. 93 00:04:36,776 --> 00:04:39,212 But what about the rest of us? 94 00:04:40,149 --> 00:04:41,517 We can also be impacted 95 00:04:41,541 --> 00:04:43,736 without being on either sides of this business. 96 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,101 If my neighbor decides to rent his apartment on Airbnb, 97 00:04:47,125 --> 00:04:50,317 and we have more people coming in and out of the building, 98 00:04:50,341 --> 00:04:52,023 more noise than usual, 99 00:04:52,047 --> 00:04:56,237 then I'm getting an unpleasant side effect of this productivity magic. 100 00:04:57,389 --> 00:05:01,149 This is what economists would call a "negative externality." 101 00:05:01,173 --> 00:05:04,799 The negative externality of Uber cars becoming more productive 102 00:05:04,823 --> 00:05:07,849 is taxi drivers seeing the value of their licenses drop 103 00:05:07,873 --> 00:05:11,425 by as much as 30 percent in New York, for example. 104 00:05:11,981 --> 00:05:13,989 This is the dark side. 105 00:05:14,307 --> 00:05:17,442 And this is what sparks street demonstrations 106 00:05:17,466 --> 00:05:20,133 and sometimes, sometimes, even violence. 107 00:05:21,323 --> 00:05:23,918 I profoundly believe this is avoidable. 108 00:05:23,942 --> 00:05:25,418 And it became clearer to me 109 00:05:25,442 --> 00:05:28,081 the more I have spent time in emerging markets. 110 00:05:28,569 --> 00:05:30,426 In fact, during my time in Singapore, 111 00:05:30,450 --> 00:05:33,568 I spent half of any given week traveling in the region, 112 00:05:33,592 --> 00:05:36,331 between Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, 113 00:05:36,355 --> 00:05:37,736 and I became a user -- 114 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,315 actually, more of a fan -- 115 00:05:39,339 --> 00:05:43,165 of online marketplaces that were not that well-known back then. 116 00:05:44,047 --> 00:05:47,507 But some of them made interesting strategic trade-offs 117 00:05:47,531 --> 00:05:50,024 that dramatically reduced their side effects, 118 00:05:50,048 --> 00:05:51,673 their externalities. 119 00:05:52,871 --> 00:05:54,958 Take Gojek, for example. 120 00:05:55,347 --> 00:05:57,966 They're basically Uber for motor bikes. 121 00:05:57,990 --> 00:06:02,008 They are one of the most liked online marketplaces in Indonesia, 122 00:06:03,383 --> 00:06:07,231 and this has a lot to do with the role they chose to play. 123 00:06:07,637 --> 00:06:08,891 Instead of picking a fight 124 00:06:08,915 --> 00:06:11,613 with every other transportation option out there, 125 00:06:11,637 --> 00:06:16,134 they choose to gradually integrate them within their own platform, 126 00:06:16,158 --> 00:06:18,920 so that without leaving the Gojek app, 127 00:06:18,944 --> 00:06:21,301 you can check the public transportation schedule 128 00:06:21,325 --> 00:06:23,658 and choose to take a bus for a long distance. 129 00:06:23,682 --> 00:06:27,133 Then, maybe, a motorbike or a traditional taxi 130 00:06:27,157 --> 00:06:31,720 that you can order and pay for from within the same app. 131 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:34,523 If you look at Gojek today, 132 00:06:34,547 --> 00:06:37,555 nine out of 10 previous motor taxi drivers 133 00:06:37,579 --> 00:06:42,645 believe their quality of life has improved after joining the platform. 134 00:06:42,669 --> 00:06:44,979 And nine out of 10 consumers -- 135 00:06:45,003 --> 00:06:46,408 nine out of 10 -- 136 00:06:46,432 --> 00:06:51,685 believe that Gojek has a positive impact on society in general. 137 00:06:52,403 --> 00:06:56,576 Now, this level of trust is what allowed Gojek to grow 138 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,379 into what is today a super online marketplace for everything 139 00:07:00,403 --> 00:07:02,561 from food to grocery 140 00:07:02,585 --> 00:07:05,085 even massages and laundry pickups. 141 00:07:06,442 --> 00:07:09,918 It all came from a deliberate trade-off 142 00:07:09,942 --> 00:07:12,650 to be an orchestrator of a bigger ecosystem 143 00:07:12,674 --> 00:07:15,464 where others also have their role to play, 144 00:07:15,488 --> 00:07:17,797 instead of a single winner, a hero, 145 00:07:17,821 --> 00:07:21,852 that takes for himself what would, at the end, be a smaller pie. 146 00:07:23,046 --> 00:07:25,482 Another interesting example is Jumia. 147 00:07:25,506 --> 00:07:28,744 Jumia is the equivalent of Amazon in Africa. 148 00:07:28,768 --> 00:07:31,553 But they don't generate the same level of fear 149 00:07:31,577 --> 00:07:33,711 in the small-business community. 150 00:07:34,379 --> 00:07:36,141 And one of the reasons for that 151 00:07:36,165 --> 00:07:39,900 is because they have decided to actively invest 152 00:07:39,924 --> 00:07:41,614 in African entrepreneurs, 153 00:07:41,638 --> 00:07:43,728 to grow them into the digital age. 154 00:07:44,292 --> 00:07:45,482 Now keep in mind, 155 00:07:45,506 --> 00:07:49,617 Jumia is operating in countries with some of the lowest digital literacy 156 00:07:49,641 --> 00:07:52,172 and digital connectivity scores in the world. 157 00:07:52,886 --> 00:07:54,918 Now they could have dealt with that 158 00:07:54,942 --> 00:07:57,529 the usual way, through lobbying for reforms -- 159 00:07:57,553 --> 00:07:59,426 and they probably do that -- 160 00:07:59,450 --> 00:08:02,534 but they have also built Jumia University, 161 00:08:02,558 --> 00:08:03,783 an e-learning platform 162 00:08:03,807 --> 00:08:07,982 where merchants can come and learn basic digital and business skills. 163 00:08:09,085 --> 00:08:12,799 We have studied online marketplaces in Africa last year. 164 00:08:13,141 --> 00:08:16,767 And during that study, we have met one of Jumia's merchants. 165 00:08:17,085 --> 00:08:18,474 His name is Jomo. 166 00:08:18,498 --> 00:08:21,926 He was fired from his job in 2014, 167 00:08:21,950 --> 00:08:25,466 and at that time, he decided he wanted to become his own boss. 168 00:08:25,490 --> 00:08:27,204 He wanted to be independent. 169 00:08:27,228 --> 00:08:30,046 He also wanted to never be fired again. 170 00:08:31,362 --> 00:08:32,682 So at that time, 171 00:08:32,706 --> 00:08:35,148 Jomo had no clue what a business is. 172 00:08:35,172 --> 00:08:37,632 So he needed to go through a series of trainings 173 00:08:37,656 --> 00:08:40,597 to learn how to select products, how to price them 174 00:08:40,621 --> 00:08:42,688 and how to promote them online. 175 00:08:43,522 --> 00:08:47,259 Today, Jomo has a 10-employee online business. 176 00:08:47,807 --> 00:08:49,783 And as of a few months ago, 177 00:08:49,807 --> 00:08:52,926 he just opened his very first brick-and-mortar shop 178 00:08:52,950 --> 00:08:54,684 in the suburbs of Nairobi. 179 00:08:55,252 --> 00:08:56,776 Now, through its university, 180 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,704 Jumia has the potential of helping a huge number of Jomos. 181 00:09:01,373 --> 00:09:04,704 And we have estimated that together with other online marketplaces 182 00:09:04,728 --> 00:09:05,886 on the continent, 183 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:10,663 they can generate three million additional jobs by 2025. 184 00:09:12,388 --> 00:09:14,475 And they would do that either directly, 185 00:09:14,499 --> 00:09:16,785 or through their impact on the wider community. 186 00:09:16,809 --> 00:09:17,975 And sometimes, 187 00:09:17,999 --> 00:09:20,756 taking that wider impact into consideration 188 00:09:20,780 --> 00:09:22,252 or forgetting about it 189 00:09:22,276 --> 00:09:24,209 can make or break a platform. 190 00:09:24,911 --> 00:09:27,919 To illustrate that, let's go back to Singapore. 191 00:09:27,943 --> 00:09:32,641 So, when we decided with my wife to leave the country last year, 192 00:09:32,665 --> 00:09:34,531 Uber decided to do the same. 193 00:09:35,117 --> 00:09:36,538 At the same time, 194 00:09:36,562 --> 00:09:41,111 again, we started to see that pattern, 195 00:09:41,135 --> 00:09:43,460 but maybe it's a coincidence. 196 00:09:44,053 --> 00:09:48,679 In reality, Uber lost the ride-hailing battle 197 00:09:48,703 --> 00:09:51,727 to a Malaysian-born start-up called Grab. 198 00:09:52,616 --> 00:09:54,378 Now, interestingly, 199 00:09:54,402 --> 00:09:57,931 my wife didn't have the same level of concerns with Grab, 200 00:09:57,955 --> 00:10:00,598 because when Grab started, it had a different name. 201 00:10:00,622 --> 00:10:03,074 It was called MyTeksi, 202 00:10:03,098 --> 00:10:08,537 and as the name suggests, it started as a platform for taxis. 203 00:10:09,521 --> 00:10:13,943 So when Grab started expanding the driver pool beyond taxis, 204 00:10:13,967 --> 00:10:16,500 it was seen as gradual and reasonable. 205 00:10:16,815 --> 00:10:19,748 They were also very careful while doing so. 206 00:10:20,188 --> 00:10:22,979 They thought of what kind of social safety net 207 00:10:23,003 --> 00:10:25,125 they should bring to all drivers. 208 00:10:25,149 --> 00:10:28,188 So they put in place special insurance packages 209 00:10:28,212 --> 00:10:30,513 and even financial education programs. 210 00:10:31,295 --> 00:10:36,056 Now, compare that with what happened in London, 211 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,025 in New York, in Paris, 212 00:10:38,049 --> 00:10:41,946 where taxi drivers didn't feel that the platforms understood 213 00:10:41,970 --> 00:10:45,307 they had to pay 200,000 euros for their license -- 214 00:10:45,331 --> 00:10:46,665 and mostly in loans. 215 00:10:47,482 --> 00:10:51,449 When you don't take that kind of social environmental information 216 00:10:51,473 --> 00:10:52,640 into account, 217 00:10:52,664 --> 00:10:54,330 you get strong reactions. 218 00:10:57,140 --> 00:11:00,578 I'm not trying to argue that the trade-offs 219 00:11:00,602 --> 00:11:04,465 by either Grab or Jumia or Gojek are risk-free. 220 00:11:04,903 --> 00:11:08,036 Did they slow down growth at some point, temporarily? 221 00:11:08,060 --> 00:11:09,219 Maybe. 222 00:11:09,243 --> 00:11:10,506 But look at them today. 223 00:11:10,530 --> 00:11:13,428 Gojek is worth 10 billion dollars. 224 00:11:14,569 --> 00:11:18,918 Jumia is one of only three unicorns in the whole of Africa. 225 00:11:19,752 --> 00:11:22,953 And Grab, well, they pushed out Uber 226 00:11:22,977 --> 00:11:25,777 out of the whole region of Southeast Asia. 227 00:11:26,712 --> 00:11:31,165 And I also think these trade-offs have nothing specific to emerging markets. 228 00:11:31,650 --> 00:11:34,846 Amazon or Uber or others can learn from them 229 00:11:34,870 --> 00:11:37,880 and adapt them to their own realities. 230 00:11:38,443 --> 00:11:39,594 In the long run, 231 00:11:39,618 --> 00:11:42,335 this doesn't need to be a zero-sum game. 232 00:11:42,639 --> 00:11:43,790 In the long run -- 233 00:11:43,814 --> 00:11:46,846 and this is maybe the Asian side of me speaking -- 234 00:11:46,870 --> 00:11:48,623 it pays to be patient. 235 00:11:48,941 --> 00:11:52,522 It pays to reconsider your goal and your priorities 236 00:11:52,546 --> 00:11:54,918 in the light of a much bigger equation 237 00:11:54,942 --> 00:11:58,307 that includes you and your users, of course, 238 00:11:58,331 --> 00:12:01,311 but also it includes regulators, 239 00:12:01,335 --> 00:12:03,573 policymakers, your communities. 240 00:12:03,597 --> 00:12:05,906 And I would argue, above all, 241 00:12:05,930 --> 00:12:09,216 it includes the very businesses you are meant to disrupt. 242 00:12:09,684 --> 00:12:10,834 Thank you. 243 00:12:10,858 --> 00:12:14,595 (Applause)