[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Elizabeth Murray:\NThe whole thing is so scatological. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you're painting, it's like so \Nphysical. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really physical. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're squeezing the paint out of the tube\Nwhich is fun. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're mixing up the paint. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's making something happen with a very \Nsort of fluid material that is constantly Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somewhat out of control, harnessing it \Nsomehow, harnessing that energy of the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paint. I think that's the primary thing \Nthat painting is about. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For a couple of years I've been working\Nwith cutting out shapes Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and kind of glomming them together. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, like basically making a zigzag\Nshape and making a sort of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rectangular shape and a circular bloopy \Nfat cloudy shape and just putting them all Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together and sort of letting the cards \Nfall where they may. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know the shapes are always referred to \Nas cartoony. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they are cartoony and bumpy and \Nrounded Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and inflated and sort of wacky. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of these shapes are stuck on to each \Nother in some kind of way. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sort of like a weird fence or a weird \Nlattice. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another part of it for me is to use very \Nintense color. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With the color and with the shape \Nand with the drawing inside of the shape Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really it's just simply trying to make it \Nwork somehow. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are so many different combinations \Nof things. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like being a safe breaker and you're \Nlistening to the- Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those movies where they've got their ear \Nup against the safe and you are listening Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the right click for the right \Ncylinders to like drop down. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes it's felt really like that, \Nlike I'm just like painting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and painting until the right thing \Nhappens. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want there to be conflict and I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want there to be tension. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yet somehow I want to make these \Nvery conflicting things live together, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not just butt up against each other\Nbut really live together. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do drawings inside the book. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they're just kind of like warm-up to \Nget my mind into it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know like to give myself some, \Nsome place to start from, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's really all they are. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It all starts with drawing. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the thing I remember the most \Nis, when I was little was, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the excitement of being able to draw \Nsomething. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I loved to draw, and I did obsessively. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess I kind of realized that it was a \Nskill that made me feel good about myself. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Art Institute in Chicago totally \Nchanged my life. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were people there, the likes of whom\NI'd never seen before, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in little Bloomington, Illinois. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I absolutely feel in love with that \Nworld. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think as much as I wanted to be \Nan artist, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to be different the way they \Nwere different. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it felt like freedom. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead of being trapped in your little \NPendleton skirt and your bobbysocks, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and your saddle shoes, you could wear \Nbig heavy black boots and put blue Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,makeup on and just, you know, say \Nwhat you thought. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You didn't have to be a nice lady\Nanymore. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the teachers seemed to be there\Nto teach you that you had no hopes Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no prospects, and being an artist was\None of the most impossible things in the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you'd better realize that this was a \Nlife of suffering, struggle, and you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weren't going to be any good anyway. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had to really find a way to believe in\Nmyself. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I think I did it by looking at\Nthe paintings in the galleries in Chicago. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would go everyday and I would look at Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this particular DeKooning painting called\NExcavation, and I would almost like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do a dance with it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, oh, he went this way Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and oh he went that way, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and oh he smudged this and feeling Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the depth of that painting. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you look at it from a distance it Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looks like this roiling boiling pot of \Npaint kind of. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Except the order is in that paint. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you go up to it you begin to see Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the layers of it, and I sort of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deconstructed the painting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I would go back down to my painting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I would try to do it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never got that good, but it made me Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start to feel my body and my mind. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My mind letting my arm make the decision. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you start to get the control then\Nyour feelings can start to flow. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And once that starts to happen, it's \Nlike you know, you get on Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the track and the trains starts moving. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just realized this was going to be \Nmy life. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really need time by myself, and I\Nalways have. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think when I was a kid I actually \Nliked to play by myself a lot. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's not saying I don't need \Npeople because I do. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love the quiet of walking into my studio Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and looking at my work and then painting, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it just feels like of a piece with\Nmy whole life in a way. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having my kids has made me part of the\Nworld as an artist and as someone Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who works in a lot of isolation it's \Nreally made me deal with life in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a way that I absolutely wouldn't have. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's made me have a life, and take my \Nmind off myself. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what they've done for me. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll be more honest with me than \Nanybody else will. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll tell me how they feel. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And not everybody does that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DAISY: Which one do you want to talk \Nabout? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: What, honey? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: This one, yeah. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what I want to know is, I'm trying to \Ndecide whether to put this in the show. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want to know, just tell me exactly\Nwhat you think of it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just made some big changes in it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The drawings are different but this is \Nwhat sort of comes out from the drawings. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: I like it. And I think if you- Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Of course what I wanted you to \Nsay was it's great, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's good, don't touch it, put it in the \Nshow. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DAISY: But Mom, even if you couldn't, even\Nif you were going to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leave everything the way it was you \Ncouldn't because it's not like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nothing except for that and the chair and \Nthe door, it's nothing, and the sun, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,none of it is done. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, I think that it all just- it \Nisn't a bad thing you just, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the surfaces aren't finished. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: Are you bored with it? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: No, I'm very interested in it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DAISY: Because you don't ever leave \Nthings like this. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Yeah, no, I'm going to just keep \Nworking on it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: But maybe that would be \Ninteresting not, just leaving it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURAY: No, I can't do that. Daisy's right.\NYou're right, you're right, you're right. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: I think that what I have to do is\Ntake out the bloopy forms and re- Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just, maybe they will come back and \Nmaybe they won't, but- Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: I think I got to take these out \Nfor awhile. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: It might just be nice to see what \Nit looks like when it is just, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, blank. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DAISY: It might be that they are too \Nmuch like the curves in the smoke. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: Oh, yeah! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Yeah but then, yeah. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: I love the smoke. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the smoke is my favorite thing. \NI think I like this red and the pink. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: But what about the marks inside \Nthe roof tops, the triangles. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just feels like, it's very \Ndescriptive. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The triangle then becomes the roof, \Nyou know what I mean? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a representation. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: I mean that's what it is. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Yeah, ah-hah. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: That's the chimney, that's \Nthe smoke coming out of it, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's you know, the little people inside \Nof it- Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Be quiet! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: Of course there is room for \Ninterpretation I mean that's what your Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work does, but you know there is the \Nlittle people inside that are talking, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is what they are saying \Ninside are little speech bubbles. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Cartoons, speech bubbles. Ohh, \Nok. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DAISY: I thought it was a path. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: You thought it was a path? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DAISY: Hmm-mmm. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: Oh, it could be a path. See Mom?\NWe still don't know what it is! Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Ok, that's really good. That's \Nreally helpful. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think every artist has this, you leave \Nit at night and you come back in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the morning and it's gone, like it looks \Nawful. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's sort of when I think, "Why did \NI go on this journey in the first place?" Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What am I doing this for? \NIt's just, it's so painful." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you know, the next morning you're\Nback at it bright-eyed and bushy-tailed Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like trying again. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAT (SOT): Ok, so let's move this \Npainting over here. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY (SOT): No, don't even hang it up. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My fantasy is that I would get to a \Ncertain point where I would know Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I wanted to say, where you were \Neither on this straight line or a road, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would never swerve. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would just do your work then. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's not the way it is at all. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, get off the path and then \Nget back on again for a while Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you trip along and suddenly you \Nstumble and then you're back on again. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I don't think that process ever ends. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY (SOT): And that height is good. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More over to the right, center it on the \Nwall. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY (SOT): Let's switch this with this. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: When I really know certain things \Nare working for me, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they make me laugh. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like oh, this is really silly. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just enjoy that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think for myself it's part of what \Ngets me through. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's really very similar to how a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kid plays. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it's like you are in your\Nplayroom Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you are just picking up these Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different shapes and throwing them on the\Nwall and then putting them together Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and seeing what kind of a game you can \Nmake out of them. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's pretty explanatory of what \Nit feels like to make them, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and very close to the kind of feeling that\NI want to get out of them, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think I want you to get out of them\Ntoo.