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Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.00,0:00:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Elizabeth Murray:\NThe whole thing is so scatological.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.56,0:00:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you’re painting, it’s like so physical.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.52,0:00:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s really physical.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.40,0:00:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You’re squeezing the paint \Nout of the tube which is fun.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.52,0:00:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You’re mixing up the paint.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.76,0:00:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s making something happen with a very
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.56,0:00:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of fluid material that is \Nconstantly somewhat out of control,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.08,0:00:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,harnessing it somehow, harnessing \Nthat energy of the paint.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.68,0:01:06.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that’s the primary \Nthing that painting is about.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.12,0:01:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For a couple of years I've been \Nworking with cutting out shapes
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.48,0:01:24.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and kind of glomming them together.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.96,0:01:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, like basically making a zigzag shape
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.12,0:01:36.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and making a sort of rectangular shape
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.28,0:01:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a circular bloopy fat cloudy shape
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.84,0:01:41.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just putting them all together and sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.92,0:01:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,letting the cards fall where they may.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.20,0:01:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know the shapes are always \Nreferred to as cartoony.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.44,0:01:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they are cartoony and blumpy and rounded
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.00,0:01:57.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and inflated and sort of wacky.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.32,0:02:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of these shapes are stuck on \Nto each other in some kind of way.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.84,0:02:07.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sort of like a weird fence or a weird lattice.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.68,0:02:13.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another part of it for me is \Nto use very intense color.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.56,0:02:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With the color and with the shape
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.40,0:02:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with the drawing inside of \Nthe shape really it's just simply
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.04,0:02:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to make it work somehow.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.44,0:02:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are so many different \Ncombinations of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.52,0:02:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like being a safe breaker \Nand you're listening to the -
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.64,0:02:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those movies where they've got \Ntheir ear up against the safe
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.08,0:02:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you are listening for the right click \Nfor the right cylinders to like drop down.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.08,0:02:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes it's felt really like that,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.68,0:02:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I'm just like painting \Nand painting and painting
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.24,0:02:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until the right thing happens.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.00,0:02:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want there to be conflict \Nand I want there to be tension.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.16,0:03:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yet somehow I want to make these \Nvery conflicting things live together,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.92,0:03:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not just butt up against each \Nother but really live together.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.60,0:03:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do drawings inside the book.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.76,0:03:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they’re just kind of like \Nwarm-up to get my mind into it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.16,0:03:31.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know like to give myself \Nsome, some place to start from,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.16,0:03:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that’s really all they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.20,0:03:34.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It all starts with drawing.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.32,0:03:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the thing I remember the \Nmost is, when I was little was,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.52,0:03:42.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the excitement of being able to draw something.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.92,0:03:46.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I loved to draw, and I did obsessively.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.28,0:03:52.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess I kind of realized that it was a \Nskill that made me feel good about myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.56,0:04:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Art Institute in Chicago \Ntotally changed my life.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.76,0:04:09.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were people there,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.68,0:04:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the likes of whom I’d never seen before,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.64,0:04:13.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in little Bloomington, Illinois.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.20,0:04:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I absolutely fell in love with that world.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.90,0:04:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think as much as I wanted to be an artist,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.56,0:04:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to be different \Nthe way they were different.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.52,0:04:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it felt like freedom.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.64,0:04:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead of being trapped in your little \NPendleton skirt and your bobbysocks,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.60,0:04:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and your saddle shoes, you \Ncould wear big heavy black boots
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.72,0:04:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and put blue makeup on and just, \Nyou know, say what you thought.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.96,0:04:48.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You didn't have to be a nice lady anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.36,0:04:56.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the teachers seemed to \Nbe there to teach you that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.20,0:04:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you had no hopes and no prospects,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.44,0:05:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and being an artist was one of the \Nmost impossible things in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.52,0:05:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you'd better realize that this \Nwas a life of suffering, struggle,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.56,0:05:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you weren't going to be any good anyway.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.20,0:05:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had to really find a way to believe in myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.84,0:05:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I think I did it by looking at
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.84,0:05:23.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the paintings in the galleries in Chicago.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.96,0:05:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would go everyday and I would look at
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.52,0:05:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this particular DeKooning \Npainting called Excavation,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.96,0:05:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I would almost like do a dance with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.40,0:05:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, oh, he went this way \Nand oh he went that way,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.48,0:05:40.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and oh he smudged this and feeling \Nlike the depth of that painting.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.84,0:05:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you look at it from a distance it looks like
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.00,0:05:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this roiling boiling pot of paint kind of.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.76,0:05:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Except the order is in that paint.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.44,0:05:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you go up to it you begin \Nto see like the layers of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.60,0:05:57.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I sort of deconstructed the painting
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.44,0:06:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I would go back down to my \Npainting and I would try to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.44,0:06:08.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never got that good, but it made \Nme start to feel my body and my mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.16,0:06:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My mind letting my arm make the decision.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.78,0:06:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you start to get the control \Nthen your feelings can start to flow.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.80,0:06:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And once that starts to \Nhappen, it's like you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.00,0:06:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get on the track and the train starts moving.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.92,0:06:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just realized this was going to be my life.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.32,0:06:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really need time by myself, and I always have.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.36,0:06:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think when I was a kid I \Nactually liked to play by myself a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.08,0:07:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that’s not saying I don’t \Nneed people because I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.16,0:07:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love the quiet of walking into my studio
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.28,0:07:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and looking at my work and then painting,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.36,0:07:10.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it just feels like of a piece \Nwith my whole life in a way.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.60,0:07:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having my kids has made me \Npart of the world as an artist
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.56,0:07:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as someone who works in a lot if isolation
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.64,0:07:32.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's really made me deal with life in \Na way that I absolutely wouldn't have.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.28,0:07:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's made me have a life, \Nand take my mind off myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.60,0:07:39.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what they've done for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.52,0:07:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll be more honest with \Nme than anybody else will.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.92,0:07:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll tell me how they feel.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.12,0:07:49.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And not everybody does that.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.69,0:07:52.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DAISY: Which one do you want to talk about?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.52,0:07:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: What, honey?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.88,0:07:56.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: This one, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.78,0:08:02.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what I want to know is, I'm trying to \Ndecide whether to put this in the show.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.84,0:08:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want to know, just tell \Nme exactly what you think of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.90,0:08:13.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just made some big changes in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.64,0:08:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The drawings are different but this is \Nwhat sort of comes out from the drawings.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.54,0:08:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: I like it. And I think if you –
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.99,0:08:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Of course what I wanted \Nyou to say was it's great,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.96,0:08:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's good, don't touch it, put it in the show.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.10,0:08:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DAISY: But Mom, even if you \Ncouldn't, even if you were going to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.84,0:08:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leave everything the way it was you couldn't
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.80,0:08:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's not like nothing except \Nfor that and the chair and the door,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.08,0:08:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's nothing, and the sun, none of it is done.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.48,0:08:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, I think that it all just \N- it isn't a bad thing you just,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.72,0:08:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the surfaces aren't finished.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.92,0:08:49.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: Are you bored with it?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.12,0:08:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: No, I'm very interested in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.08,0:08:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DAISY: Because you don't \Never leave things like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.51,0:08:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Yeah, no, I'm going \Nto just keep working on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.40,0:09:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: But maybe that would be \Ninteresting not, just leaving it.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.48,0:09:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: No, I can’t do that. Daisy's right. \NYou're right, You're right, You're right.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.72,0:09:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: I think what I have to do is \Ntake out the bloopy forms and re -
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.04,0:09:11.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just, maybe they will come \Nback and maybe they won't, but -
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.59,0:09:15.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: I think I got to \Ntake these out for awhile.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.08,0:09:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: It might just be nice to see \Nwhat it looks like when it is just,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.16,0:09:22.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, blank.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.14,0:09:26.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DAISY: It might be that they are too \Nmuch like the curves in the smoke.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.60,0:09:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: Oh, yeah!
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.18,0:09:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Yeah but then, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.00,0:09:32.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: I love the smoke.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.04,0:09:35.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the smoke is my favorite thing. \NI think I like this red and the pink.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.56,0:09:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: But what about the marks \Ninside the roof tops, the triangles.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.48,0:09:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just feels like, it's very descriptive.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.08,0:09:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The triangle then becomes the \Nroof, you know what I mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.52,0:09:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a representation.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.04,0:09:54.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: I mean that's what it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.86,0:09:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Yeah, ah-hah.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.72,0:09:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: That's the chimney, \Nthat's the smoke coming out of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.08,0:10:01.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's you know, the little people inside of it –
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.52,0:10:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Be quiet!
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.52,0:10:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: Of course there is room for \Ninterpretation I mean that's what your work does,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.68,0:10:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you know there is the little \Npeople inside that are talking,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.88,0:10:15.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is what they are saying \Ninside I little speech bubbles.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.55,0:10:16.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Cartoons, speech bubbles. Ohh, ok.\NDAISY: I thought it was a path.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.96,0:10:18.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: You thought it was a path?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.78,0:10:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DAISY: Hmm-mmm.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.79,0:10:24.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SOPHIE: Oh, it could be a path. See \NMom? We still don't know what it is!
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.62,0:10:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: Ok, that's really \Ngood. That's really helpful.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.84,0:10:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think every artist has \Nthis, you leave it at night
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.28,0:10:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you come back and you think,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.64,0:10:37.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wow I've got it, I've got it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.12,0:10:41.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you come back in the morning \Nand it's gone, like it looks awful.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.84,0:10:47.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's sort of when I think, "Why did \NI go on this journey in the first place?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.28,0:10:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What am I doing this for? \NIt's just, it's so painful."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.54,0:11:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you know, the next morning you’re \Nback at it bright-eyed and bushy-tailed
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.28,0:11:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like trying again.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.23,0:11:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY (SOT): OK, so let’s \Nmove this painting over here.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.07,0:11:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY (SOT): No, don’t even hang it up.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.68,0:11:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My fantasy is that I would \Nget to a certain point where
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.68,0:11:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would know what I wanted to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.92,0:11:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you were either on \Nthis straight line or a road,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.56,0:11:27.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would never swerve.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.52,0:11:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would just do your work then.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.52,0:11:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that’s not the way it is at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.64,0:11:37.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, get off the path and \Nthen get back on again for a while
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.84,0:11:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you trip along and suddenly you stumble
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.16,0:11:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you’re back on again.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.56,0:11:43.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I don’t think that process ever ends.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.44,0:11:50.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY (SOT): And that height is good.\NMore over to the right, center it on the wall.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.71,0:11:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY (SOT): Let’s switch this with this.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.86,0:11:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MURRAY: When I really know \Ncertain things are working for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.08,0:11:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they make me laugh.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.80,0:12:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like oh, this is really silly.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.08,0:12:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just enjoy that.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.28,0:12:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think for myself it’s \Npart of what gets me through.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.12,0:12:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's really very \Nsimilar to how a kid plays.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.20,0:12:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it's like you are in your playroom
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.24,0:12:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you are just picking up these different shapes
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.92,0:12:26.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and throwing them on the wall \Nand then putting them together
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.20,0:12:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and seeing what kind of a \Ngame you can make out of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.52,0:12:35.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's pretty explanatory \Nof what it feels like to make them,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.04,0:12:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and very close to the kind of feeling \Nthat I want to get out of them,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.68,0:12:44.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think I want you to get out of them too.