WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.600 CAI GUO-QIANG in 00:00:02.587 --> 00:00:04.190 In the twenty-first century 00:00:11.399 --> 00:00:13.919 My work is sometimes like the poppy flower 00:00:16.022 --> 00:00:18.237 It has this almost romantic side 00:00:19.002 --> 00:00:21.557 But yet, it also represents a poison 00:00:23.006 --> 00:00:23.957 Gun powder 00:00:25.442 --> 00:00:27.064 From its very essence, you can see 00:00:27.064 --> 00:00:30.329 so much of the power of the universe how we came to be. 00:00:31.059 --> 00:00:34.094 You can express these grand ideas about the cosmos 00:00:34.474 --> 00:00:36.122 Very epic and heroic, 00:00:36.480 --> 00:00:39.401 but at the same time it's used for such destruction. 00:00:53.430 --> 00:00:57.018 Gun powder possesses a physical danger for anyone who is near it. 00:00:58.154 --> 00:01:00.519 But with time, you get to know the material. 00:01:02.782 --> 00:01:05.472 First you have to accept that it's uncontrollable. 00:01:06.298 --> 00:01:07.663 And then, work with it. 00:01:09.305 --> 00:01:11.352 I've worked with the material so long, 00:01:11.574 --> 00:01:13.995 that I've gained an understanding of how it works 00:01:16.225 --> 00:01:19.109 My way of doing it is just to flow with the material. 00:01:20.320 --> 00:01:22.557 To let it take me where it wants me to go. 00:01:28.409 --> 00:01:31.770 So I continuously want it to give me problems. 00:01:32.287 --> 00:01:34.881 Give me obstacles to overcome. 00:01:38.121 --> 00:01:42.125 This whole process of making drawing is very much like lovemaking. 00:01:44.193 --> 00:01:46.649 From the very beginning of laying down the paper, 00:01:47.349 --> 00:01:49.754 it's like laying down the sheets on the bed. 00:01:59.092 --> 00:02:00.933 And it's a very long process. 00:02:01.545 --> 00:02:03.853 Always working towards a final goal. 00:02:09.458 --> 00:02:13.233 And all the time there's this feeling that you just want it to explode. 00:02:13.968 --> 00:02:14.974 to finish. 00:02:18.748 --> 00:02:20.791 But you're afraid that maybe it's too early, 00:02:20.809 --> 00:02:22.386 maybe it's not the best time yet, 00:02:22.386 --> 00:02:24.549 maybe you need to work on it a little more. 00:03:18.371 --> 00:03:21.282 And then afterwards, you either have great satisfaction 00:03:21.315 --> 00:03:24.842 or you have disappointment as to your entire performance. 00:03:28.264 --> 00:03:32.264 You can talk all day about the ancient philosophies and modern philosophies 00:03:32.351 --> 00:03:38.098 art history, criticism, theory, subject matter, historical context, 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.832 contemporary, post-modernism, form, representation. 00:03:43.382 --> 00:03:45.299 All these things can be discussed 00:03:45.739 --> 00:03:47.027 but in the end, 00:03:47.228 --> 00:03:50.878 it's really this on sight performance, so to speak, 00:03:51.459 --> 00:03:52.857 that really makes a work. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:37.011 --> 00:04:40.150 What I'm using here is a sort of a fold out sketchbook 00:04:40.638 --> 00:04:43.158 It's not so much a scrawl, but traditionally it's 00:04:43.158 --> 00:04:46.073 always been used for people to record their thoughts. 00:04:46.384 --> 00:04:49.305 Almost as in a journal, or a diary format. 00:04:56.706 --> 00:04:57.426 In Chinese, 00:04:57.741 --> 00:04:59.741 we actually say: ''Reading a painting'' 00:05:00.270 --> 00:05:01.470 Reading a picture 00:05:01.962 --> 00:05:05.622 Because it's actually page by page, section by section 00:05:05.854 --> 00:05:07.124 That you're reading this. 00:05:07.324 --> 00:05:08.444 Not just looking at it. 00:05:11.064 --> 00:05:15.064 These 'folder books' are very similar in this aspect to the scrawls. 00:05:15.586 --> 00:05:18.926 The longhand scrawls are very traditional, in Chinese painting. 00:05:23.683 --> 00:05:26.923 Here I like to show you what my father has painted on silk. 00:05:27.259 --> 00:05:28.799 A very long scrawl. 00:05:30.393 --> 00:05:34.163 Sometimes I see my explosion projects almost like these scrawls. 00:05:36.074 --> 00:05:36.914 Ones you open it, 00:05:37.184 --> 00:05:40.194 it opens up the universe, in that it seems boundless. 00:05:41.563 --> 00:05:45.775 As the explosion project unfolds, it's like opening up the scrawl. 00:05:46.315 --> 00:05:47.695 But then it disappears. 00:05:48.527 --> 00:05:51.617 And yet, it's pregnant with all kinds of possibilities. 00:05:54.754 --> 00:05:59.204 What really influenced me the most, are these very tiny matchbox paintings 00:05:59.454 --> 00:06:00.864 that my father used to make. 00:06:12.497 --> 00:06:16.537 He would paint these small landscape paintings with his ink pen. 00:06:17.331 --> 00:06:19.141 I saved some of these from that time. 00:06:21.533 --> 00:06:24.173 When I was little and I would ask what he was painting. 00:06:24.435 --> 00:06:26.545 He might point to one of them and say: 00:06:26.545 --> 00:06:28.498 ''Ow, this is the sea of our hometown.'' 00:06:28.921 --> 00:06:31.471 But then I would go back with him to our home village 00:06:31.623 --> 00:06:33.023 and it was nothing like that. 00:06:34.023 --> 00:06:38.551 From very early on I understood from these that art is not about what you say 00:06:39.345 --> 00:06:42.154 It's about these other things that you don't say. 00:06:46.311 --> 00:06:50.151 I wouldn't say that the entire exhibition at MASS MoCA is 00:06:50.151 --> 00:06:52.329 like a long scrawls unfolding. 00:06:53.797 --> 00:06:55.197 It links to my past. 00:06:55.697 --> 00:06:57.557 And it's linked to my culture as well. 00:06:59.444 --> 00:07:01.524 When I first saw the exhibition space 00:07:01.897 --> 00:07:03.987 I felt that it was like a section of road 00:07:04.396 --> 00:07:07.716 A very wide road, that's been transported here. 00:07:08.820 --> 00:07:12.030 Further extending the idea of this path, or journey 00:07:12.393 --> 00:07:15.533 Is very much like taking a walk along this path. 00:07:18.964 --> 00:07:20.286 In the main gallery, 00:07:20.496 --> 00:07:22.359 as the first car takes of 00:07:22.359 --> 00:07:25.634 tumbling through the air in a very dreamlike fashion 00:07:25.770 --> 00:07:28.660 it lands safely back on it's four wheels. 00:07:29.711 --> 00:07:30.811 Undamaged 00:07:31.035 --> 00:07:32.065 Unharmed 00:07:35.950 --> 00:07:40.270 Is it just the repetition, it goes right back to the very first car again. 00:07:44.273 --> 00:07:48.273 The video in Times Square also borrows the image of the car bomb. 00:07:49.740 --> 00:07:53.210 This continues cycle suggest that something might or 00:07:53.210 --> 00:07:54.470 might not have happened. 00:07:54.881 --> 00:07:57.441 This illusion that we're seeing in front of us 00:08:00.113 --> 00:08:01.743 Ever since September 11th 00:08:02.183 --> 00:08:04.973 The idea of terrorism is ever so present. 00:08:05.599 --> 00:08:07.179 Always on our minds 00:08:07.737 --> 00:08:08.437 This work 00:08:08.437 --> 00:08:12.557 obviously has some direct reference to these conditions that we live in now. 00:08:18.451 --> 00:08:20.075 Looking at the work that I've done 00:08:20.721 --> 00:08:24.202 I noticed that things are sticking out of or into objects a lot. 00:08:25.351 --> 00:08:28.171 I think this has to do with my interest in explosion. 00:08:29.843 --> 00:08:32.799 But it also has to do with the aesthetics of pain. 00:08:38.191 --> 00:08:41.881 There is a very visual response that the audience has to the work. 00:08:42.966 --> 00:08:45.216 They feel pain when they see the tigers 00:08:46.141 --> 00:08:48.241 The tigers are realistically made 00:08:48.691 --> 00:08:50.181 But they are completely fake. 00:08:51.482 --> 00:08:53.912 It's a stage setting that you're entering into 00:08:55.032 --> 00:08:58.522 It's through visual impact that you transmit these ideas 00:08:58.926 --> 00:09:01.696 And it's through visual impact that this pain is felt. 00:09:02.601 --> 00:09:06.381 You can actually elicit a very direct response from the audience 00:09:06.571 --> 00:09:08.371 A very strong response. 00:09:17.379 --> 00:09:19.709 This installation in Washington D.C. 00:09:20.397 --> 00:09:23.327 The sunken boat with the broken ceramic pieces 00:09:23.557 --> 00:09:26.867 Shows the power of destruction, the beauty of destruction. 00:09:28.304 --> 00:09:30.104 The aesthetic of decay. 00:09:31.572 --> 00:09:32.782 And in this way, 00:09:32.782 --> 00:09:35.634 I feel that this work is quite close to some of the things 00:09:35.634 --> 00:09:38.924 that I'm discussing in the pieces at MASS MoCA as well. 00:09:41.794 --> 00:09:45.525 A number of years ago I went to a factory in Delhua for a visit 00:09:45.934 --> 00:09:49.324 And I saw all of these statues that looked perfectly fine 00:09:49.875 --> 00:09:51.105 But they were rejects. 00:10:01.744 --> 00:10:05.744 Because of their imperfections, they're no longer considered diodes. 00:10:09.155 --> 00:10:11.375 You know, I thought it was very strange 00:10:11.375 --> 00:10:15.145 without these imperfections, these were figures that people worshiped. 00:10:16.373 --> 00:10:20.373 They were send to thousands of homes, including my own home. 00:10:22.093 --> 00:10:23.863 It seemed to arbitrary. 00:10:25.203 --> 00:10:27.423 Here, I see them as artwork 00:10:28.025 --> 00:10:30.913 They don't hold so much of a diodes power 00:10:31.355 --> 00:10:34.405 But if I take one from here and put it in the studio 00:10:34.405 --> 00:10:36.915 I think my emotions will shift very naturally. 00:10:41.674 --> 00:10:45.264 This very fine line defines the nature of an object. 00:11:07.456 --> 00:11:09.336 I really like to hang this up 00:11:09.575 --> 00:11:10.925 It defies gravity 00:11:11.060 --> 00:11:13.800 Because I think I don't like the heaviness of things. 00:11:16.169 --> 00:11:20.268 The piece in São Paulo is obviously a plane made out of a vine. 00:11:24.980 --> 00:11:28.829 We have these sharp objects confiscated from the São Paulo airport 00:11:28.829 --> 00:11:30.038 stuck all over it. 00:11:30.423 --> 00:11:33.183 Again it looks like it's infected with all this pain. 00:11:34.230 --> 00:11:37.830 I travel all the time and I'm always flying in and out of airports 00:11:38.429 --> 00:11:41.869 There are times when you just kind of have to stop yourself and think.. 00:11:41.869 --> 00:11:43.399 Do I have weapons in my pockets? 00:11:43.491 --> 00:11:44.201 You know 00:11:44.201 --> 00:11:46.977 Even nail clippers, I have a few confiscated. 00:11:48.008 --> 00:11:51.058 So for this piece, we used all local materials. 00:11:51.348 --> 00:11:53.788 And we borrowed all the pieces from the airport. 00:11:55.352 --> 00:12:00.002 Behind all this is a very earnest and frank look at our society today. 00:12:01.363 --> 00:12:04.433 And a cultural political issues that we have to deal with. 00:12:06.611 --> 00:12:09.371 It really is an honest reflection of our world today. 00:12:17.910 --> 00:12:21.140 It's easy for us to depict things of this physical world. 00:12:21.454 --> 00:12:24.504 But it's very difficult to depict things that are not seen, 00:12:24.504 --> 00:12:26.714 but that have a profound effect on us. 00:12:27.957 --> 00:12:31.677 And that's something that I'm continuously exploring and trying to form. 00:12:34.001 --> 00:12:37.081 I take a lot from the ancient Chinese philosophies. 00:12:39.707 --> 00:12:42.977 These are very much infused in the art making process. 00:12:45.004 --> 00:12:47.454 Maybe everything does not have to be resolved. 00:12:48.625 --> 00:12:52.275 Sometimes you can allow uncertainties to exist. 00:12:54.429 --> 00:12:56.779 The ever changing, never constant 00:12:57.260 --> 00:13:00.110 These are the kinds of ideas to understand the world. 00:13:21.949 --> 00:13:25.464 To learn more about Art:21, art in the twenty first century 00:13:25.836 --> 00:13:27.926 and to download the free educators guide 00:13:28.304 --> 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