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Psychopathic offenders may be[br]rapists, child molesters,

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sadists, and or any type of sex[br]offender.

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They may not even be sex[br]offenders but engage in

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other forms of criminal[br]or exploitive behavior instead.

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The hallmark of psychopathy is[br]that the person doesn't have

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a problem in one area,

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such as sex, but has a pervasive[br]lack of responsibility as

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well as a lack of attachment to other people.

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In this next section,[br]Robert describes behavior

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that puts him in the category of[br]power and controlled rapist but

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doesn't necessarily tell us his problems are pervasive and

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that he has no capacity for attachment.

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That will come later.

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Yeah, it was power and control.

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I was grooming her from the[br]age of...

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It started about the age of[br]one.

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When I was the punisher.[br]I was the...

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I was the one who decided[br]punishment over the children.

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I was the one who spanked the[br]children.

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I was the one who punished the[br]children.

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And if I seen the children[br]doing anything wrong,

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even bickering and arguing[br]amongst themselves,

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I would whip them and tell them,[br]you know, just, just kids playing...

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I would tell myself, well,[br]she's not going to be like that.

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She is going to be the[br]perfect mate,

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and I told myself that.

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And I didn't molest her[br]then.

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(woman) The perfect mate?[br]The perfect mate.

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I was grooming her to fit[br]me. To fit me.

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(woman) At what age?

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I started at about a year.

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I started grooming her and[br]whooping her and telling

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her this...

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To do this, not do that.

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Then I molested her at 18 months[br]old.

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And I thought to myself, I said,[br]well, this is going to be easy.

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This is going to be easy.

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I'm going to have my own[br]child,

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my own step-daughter, which is[br]really not blood related to me.

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And I'm telling myself these[br]things.

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It's not blood related to me.

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When she grows up to be 14, 15[br]years old,

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I will have the perfect sexual[br]mate for sexual purposes.

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Anything else didn't matter.

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It was sex.[br]That was it.

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I didn't care about...

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Really, honestly, I didn't love[br]the child.

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I wanted the child for my own[br]purposes.

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I was, I was the one potty[br]training her.

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Okay?

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My wife let me potty train her.

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I potty trained her.

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And at first when I was potty[br]training her,

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I gave her a break.

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Every now and then she could use[br]the bathroom in her pants,

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but I was setting her on that[br]stool for sometimes hours at a time,

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telling her to use the bathroom there.

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She got started doing it.

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She started using the[br]potty,

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and then all of a sudden she would...

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I had been doing this for about[br]three, four months,

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and then all of a sudden she[br]would use the bathroom in her pants,

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and I would tear her hide up.

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I would actually put bruises on[br]her butt by spanking her

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by using the bathroom in her[br]pants.

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How did you get a little kid to[br]sit on the potty for hours?

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That's an awful long time.

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Yell and scream.

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Tell her you're going to[br]use that potty,

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and you don't get off that potty[br]until you use that potty.

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Have you used the potty yet?

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(woman) No.

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You're going to sit there[br]until you use it.

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And, and as I look back, I was[br]done that way,

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the same way she was done.

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(woman) How do you justify[br]it in your head?

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How do I justify it in[br]my head?

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She's going to do what I[br]want her to do,

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and that's it.

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She's going to use the bathroom.

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She's going to...

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Let's say that I told her that[br]daddy loves her.

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And daddy's going to take care[br]of her,

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and daddy's going to give her[br]anything she wants as long as

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she does what daddy tells her.

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I got married at 19, and I kind[br]of like refrained or tried to

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refrain from sexually acting out[br]with any other ladies besides her,

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because I knew that AIDS was coming out,

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and I knew that diseases were[br]very frequent.

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And I started thinking to[br]myself that if I stick

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with this one girl and[br]groom her, or one woman,

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I would groom her and get her to[br]do what I wanted her to do.

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And eventually she did.

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She done what I asked her to[br]do.

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It was no problem.

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It was a little at a time, and I[br]done it.

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And I manipulated her and[br]coerced her.

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Manipulation, coercion, violent[br]behaviors, striking her,

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ah, ah, get her so drunk she'd[br]pass out,

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and I'd do what I want to[br]with her.

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I'd force myself upon her[br]when she was passed out

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and did what I pleased.

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And my sexual behavior got real,[br]real out of whack.

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Yeah, I made her force objects[br]into her vagina.

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I made her, forced her into[br]watching pornographic material

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and stating that I wanted to do[br]that certain thing to her.

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I wanted to, I wanted to have[br]sex with her constantly.

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This was every day, every[br]day three or four times...

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I wanted it as many times[br]in a day as I could get it.

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And I have got it up to[br]six times in one day,

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and still, still I did not have[br]enough.

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I wanted more.

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It was like a fix.

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I wanted it, and I did[br]anything I could to get it.

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(woman) And how many times..total?

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I have a total of 24 now.

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And I'm looking to see if I have[br]any more.

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(woman) And were these...

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You said these were all kids[br]except two?

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No, yeah, well, they were[br]under the age of 18.

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Most of my victims were the age[br]of 11 to 16.

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(woman) And how did you get control[br]of them?

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Was it through force and[br]control...

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It was manipulate...

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No, it wasn't violence.

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It was more like manipulation.

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It was coercion.

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It was like I'll buy you this.

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I'll give you that, you know.

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And treating them like a[br]person,

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but they were just objects.

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They were just objects.

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I was doing anything in my power[br]to get them to give sex up,

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to give it up.

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And that's what I used to tell[br]them.

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I said give it up, you know.

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After I would have done,[br]say groomed them up, and

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then I would, and they would[br]comply.

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I would use, I would buy[br]them beer, get them drunk,

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get them high, get them[br]any way that I could

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manipulate a woman or a[br]girl,

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a child into having sex, I would do it.

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(woman) In this section, you will see[br]the lack of attachment to anyone

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that suggests Robert is not only[br]a power and control sex offender,

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he is quite psychopathic as well.

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The best way to fool people is[br]to have them.

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Is to ask what they want, ask[br]what they need.

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Do they need any help doing[br]anything?

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Do they...

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Do they need any money?

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Or do they need their car fixed?

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Do they need the grass cut?

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Do they need their children[br]looked out for?

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Do they need a job?

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Do they need anything, anything[br]to get them to think that

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I am a decent person and want to[br]help,

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trust me.

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I will help.

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And, overall, that was a flat[br]out lie.

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(woman) What do you think makes people[br]so trusting?

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What do you mean?

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As far as trusting...

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(woman) Trusting you.

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Trusting me?

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Because I...

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To trust me, well, I thought[br]that I could be trusted to

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a certain extent.

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And, and, but behind, behind[br]their back, you

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know, I would take things[br]from them,

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steal from them, scope out[br]things that I could steal.

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Just see what I could get out of[br]somebody.

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Just get what I wanted.

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That's what I wanted.

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And I see something I want, to[br]get somebody to trust me.

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Like say if was to go over[br]and cut this person's grass,

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fix his car, loan him some[br]money,

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and then he, and I see[br]something I want.

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Like he's got a nice[br]stereo, then, I would set it up.

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I would say, hey, he's not[br]home at such and such a time.

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That'd be the perfect time[br]to go get me a stereo.

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So I would say, hey, he's gone.

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I know exactly how to get in[br]through the back way.

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I'll even go into his house and[br]open a window so

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I can come in here tomorrow and[br]steal his stereo.

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I was looking out for[br]number one, for me.

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I didn't have any empathy[br]for anybody else,

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because it seemed to me that[br]nobody had any empathy for me.

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I wasn't going to give any[br]empathy that didn't give

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it to me.

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And that was it.

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That was bottom line.

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You don't...

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I didn't have people cry for me[br]or tell me,

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ask me if I needed anything.

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Uh, then, you know, I wouldn't[br]use any empathy.

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I would fake it.

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I would fake empathy.

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Like saying I know how you feel.

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I've been in that[br]situation before.

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I've done that, and it didn't[br]turn out all that hot.

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And I would fake it, but[br]there wasn't no empathy there.

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That was just a show.

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That was just to tell, that was[br]just to get the person to say,

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well, hey, he seems like he's[br]a pretty good fellow.

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And that was manipulation[br]the whole way.

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I'm aware how disturbing[br]this film is.

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I made it because I've seen[br]children report acts

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of sadistic abuse and not be[br]believed because the listener

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refused to believe that such[br]things happen.

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It's easier to deny malevolence[br]than it is to face it.

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But we have no hope of[br]detecting and stopping

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this kind of behavior if we[br]don't learn something about it.

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I made this film in the[br]hopes that the next victim

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won't report six or[br]seven times as ...

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Gerald's victim did and still[br]not be believed.