1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,480 [Jenny Holzer: Writing & Difficulty] 2 00:00:15,889 --> 00:00:17,849 I have no idea whether I'll write again. 3 00:00:21,380 --> 00:00:26,439 One reason why I left it was because I tend to write about the most ghastly subjects. 4 00:00:26,439 --> 00:00:30,539 So, it's not just the difficulty in having something turn out right— 5 00:00:30,539 --> 00:00:35,599 it's the difficulty of staying with the material long enough to complete it. 6 00:00:39,860 --> 00:00:43,980 It's necessary to be emotionally engaged when writing about these topics, 7 00:00:43,980 --> 00:00:47,440 so, yes, it's exhausting at times. 8 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,739 It's difficult to do the research on what happened 9 00:01:00,739 --> 00:01:04,489 and what might still be happening to various detainees; 10 00:01:04,489 --> 00:01:05,540 but I don't want to whine— 11 00:01:05,540 --> 00:01:08,060 it would be much harder to be a detainee. 12 00:01:17,890 --> 00:01:20,670 I'll leap away from the word 'values'. 13 00:01:22,740 --> 00:01:25,060 I'm afraid to talk about values these days, 14 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,259 because usually, any time values are invoked, 15 00:01:30,259 --> 00:01:35,419 it's to dismiss—or maybe incarcerate—somebody. [LAUGHS] 16 00:01:39,340 --> 00:01:43,580 But I would like there to be less fear and less cruelty— 17 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:45,010 I'll stand on that. 18 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,240 And I'd like to think I have some plain old empathy, too. 19 00:01:58,220 --> 00:02:03,020 I'm the opposite of the theater person, [LAUGHS] 20 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,660 because I would never be on stage! 21 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,200 My work might be like theater in that I hope there's an audience. 22 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,280 There's a reason I'm anonymous in my work. 23 00:02:21,569 --> 00:02:26,029 I like to be absolutely out of view and out of earshot.