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Herald-Angel: So, welcome here on stage
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bonsoir taziden and kload
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the next talk is on
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building a better internet
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It all started I think
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two years ago at the 30C3
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when these two guys were here
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inviting us to build our own ISP
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and this year they want to invite us to
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build something like a better internet
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which is a small box I think
they have brought with them.
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Yeah, that prevents your ISP from
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snooping on your traffic and
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enables you to circumvent things like
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carrier grade NAT
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and all of these oddites
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Stage is yours
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kload + taziden: Thank you
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taziden: Hello everyone, so we are
going to talk to you about
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the internet cube, which is this little box
you can see here
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maybe you have heard already
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about this project with the french name
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“La brique Internet”,
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but today we are going to stick with
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the internet cube.
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So let's start with some facts
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kload: today we have an Internet
made of big silos
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and this is really something
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we're incomfortable with
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and really something we need to change.
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We have… We give information to
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a lot of companies, a lot of entities,
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governments and stuff that
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are having this power to
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influence us through this.
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So, yeah, it is to say that
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we have this princess freedom
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we can say that is being held by
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some evelish Ganondorf
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Like you know that Google, Amazon, Netflix,
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Apple, Microsoft, Dropbox, Nasty one, Onclick,
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doubleclick.google.ceobase.com
or something like this
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and reddit, obviously
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and facebook, that's for sure
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fact number 2, maybe
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t: fact number 2: internet needs diversity
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internet is today as kload said
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the information is centered in silos
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but not only personal information
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also the public information
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and we can have today
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what is your freedom
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if the only information you get is from
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the top hundread websites
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so that's a major problem.
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We need more networks,
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we need more websites,
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we need more information, more sources,
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more diversity and obviously
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we need more networks.
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k: Thankfully we have this
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hypertext link to the rescue
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of the princess here and
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he seems a bit sad with only his shield
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so he has to find this artifacts to get
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to this old man in the cave and find
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I don't know maybe something
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maybe an internet cube
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Okay, okay, this way is a bit tough.
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We have one here and
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without further ado,
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we'll make a quick demo
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so that you have an idea how it works
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t: so let's see we have one here
connected on the video
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k: we just plugged in just before the conference
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so that we can show the [???] at some point
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t: let's see what's on there
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k: just have to type my domain name,
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a very common one
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t: yea, it works.
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this is where it works,
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a device like this
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and yeah, I just have my
awesome website on it
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I can just have my e-mails,
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I mean receive my e-mails.
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Yeah, I guess, I hope.
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So you can actually send me e-mails on it.
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k: let's encrypt is not yet included,
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but we're working on it.
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t: It is self signed certificates
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but propper ciphers and stuff.
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Don't worry.
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k: You really accept it permanently?
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t: I didn't.
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So. It is running on the 4G connection here
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because I don't know the CCC Network
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is kind of spoofing things sometimes
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and I will try to receive my e-mails here.
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Don't move to much, he's working here.
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k: awww, come on
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t: Please, Please 4G.
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Oh. That's something.
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k: The packets are going through
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europe and belgium, france also of course
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t: That's because HTTPS is slowing up connections
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Maybe we won't have e-mails, but I still have
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my awesome website on it.
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Oh, yes! It works!
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Sorry about that.
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Yeah!
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k: Can you remember the password?
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t: I did. Something very strong.
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Do you have something funny to say?
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k: No. Not after the
talk I gave yesterday, no, sorry.
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So, how are you today?
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You're doing right?
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t: Maybe you can explain that
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k: we just plugged it in.
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We even put this 4G phone in USB
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connected it through USB to the cube
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and it worked.
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It recognised an internet device on
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the USB-device and automatically connected
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it to the internet.
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This is kind of a plug-and-play thing.
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t: Actually we can explain that we switched
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to 3G connection because we had issues
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during the preperation with the networks here
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at the congress. Some people where trying
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to spoof certificates.
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k: DynDNS or SSL-Certificates, what an idea
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t: let's wait a little bit
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(whispers) Come on!
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chuckles
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that was working earlier.
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k: of course it was working
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Okay, maybe, what we can say about this,
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don't try this at home because it's dangerous.
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No, it’s … I mean …
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Receiving e-mails, actual e-mails
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That can be tricky at some point.
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Okay, we can go further now and
just get back to it afterwards.
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So, the question is:
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How does it actually work?
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t: … when it works. chuckles
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t: How does it work?
That's the interesting part.
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This little box, cube,
what is interesting about this
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is that it's the union of three mayor
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essential parts: three basic elements that
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combine together gives something
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very interesting and
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the first part is open hardware.
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We need to do this to achieve
what we are describing.
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We need to have an open hardware that is cheap,
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low voltage, that is hackable,
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with specifications online and so far
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the best match we had only makes Hamboard,
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but open hardware is just one element and
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you need to have free software
running on top
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of this open hardware and that's something
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kload has been working on
for a long time now
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k: for like 3 years we worked on a software
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called YunoHost which is basically
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a Debian based distribution that aims
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to facilitate or to ease the installation
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and the management, the handling
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of services on the server
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easing the user creation, management,
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the backup creation, the domain creation
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the extention of the server capabilities
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with applications and stuff.
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So that's regarding the software part.
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You can find further information on the website
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YunoHost.org and we had those 2 components
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cool hardware, open and
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olimex is quite a cool manufacturer
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and we had this software which works on
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that board but we needed something
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in order to solve this network issue
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that obviously is a pain in the ass when you
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are trying to host yourself.
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It's like how can I make my server open
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on the internet and that's
how the third component comes up.
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We need, actually …
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We chose to add to this a VPN connection
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to a trustworthy provider.
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t: Two years ago I was here at the congress
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giving a talk about inviting you to build
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your own ISPs and when you are running
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such ISPs you should communicate and
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help each other in order
for the networks to grow
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and this networks to have them
everywhere, actually.
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We met with Freifunk and so.
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That was really great and we at the time
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presented a tool called db.ffdn.org
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and you can find on this site a whole bunch
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of internet access providers,
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non-profit ones, that are enabling us
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with this cube to provide VPN access with
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public endpoints which means you can have
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your personal data or your public data
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through trusted connection,
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going through a friendly ISP
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and that's something that's not possible
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with the most of the commercial ISPs
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that are blocking port 25,
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that are doing silly stuff,
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that are doing discrimination on the network
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and that do not want us to do self hosting.
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That's the 3rd element that I've seen
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missing in most of the projects about
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this kind of matter.
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It's how do you …
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you can work on the hardware,
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you can work on the software,
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but the missing link is always, I think,
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the third is one about the connection
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3 elements give what we think is
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kind of only trinity like
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and it makes the internet cube.
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k: those 3 parts are very legit in the
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sense that it now comes as a plug and play
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device, something really plug and play
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t: depends on the network
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k: depends on the network, but this question
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of having friendly ISPs is
really complicated to solve.
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Self hosting is becoming
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Now having this 3 parts
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really makes the cube plug and play
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and the cool part is adding a WiFi antenna
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on it and you have actually this initial
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network broadcasted through all your house,
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every place you go you have this wifi,
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we have one though, we have a
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non-discriminant network being
broadcasted as they all say, they have WiFi.
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t: it's overrated
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k: We have also this possibilities to
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broadcast a virtual network at home
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and just by connecting to it
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your commercial non-trustworthy ISP
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is not able to read what you are doing
off your connection anymore.
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There is those very 2 parts
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having a virtual network at home
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and having a personal cell
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t: that's the very interesting thing
about all this
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is that you have two major parts like
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connecting to the cube and your data
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from everywhere on the internet
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and also at your home, or whereever
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you are you can connect to the internet
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through a trusted channel and
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of course this is what we came up with
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but I think there are many, many
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other things we can do and maybe
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you are all wondering how do you get one?
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a working one of course
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and that's an interesting question
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it's easy for French people or
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Belgian to have one because there are
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non profit local ISPs providing this cubes
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nearby that as I say
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the local part is very important
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what you should do is maybe think about
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building your own ISP providing VPN access
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such as we do and also all the parts,
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all the documentation,
all the software and so on
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is online and we really invite people
to build their own.
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If you have questions about building your
own ISP and providing
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public IPs to friends and
to people around you,
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ask us, we can help you
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It's really what we want to do.
It's really to have more networks,
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to have more projects like this
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k: the thing that we often miss here is that
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it is not as difficult as we think to build
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an actual VPN provider.
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We've done it a lot in France,
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we've done quite, I don't know
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how many members are in the federation?
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t: in the federation,
we have a federation of
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non-profit internet access providers
and I think
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like 2 years ago we where like 21 and now
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we have 28 organisations
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k: 28 non-profit organisations made by
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just passionists over France so
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we have knowledges of how we can
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build one and if you want to do so just
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just ask us
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t: We have gathered enough knowledge to
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help you bootstrap something.
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t: one thing is:
before the internet cube project
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came up, we were not so much interested in
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building VPN service.
It really came up like this with
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people from the YunoHost project
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with the Olimex hardware we discovered
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with the people involved
in the non-profit ISPs
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and this very combination gives something
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that I think is very, very cool
and very inspiring.
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There are many things to do with it
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many hacks to invent or things to …
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k: Of course, this hardware is kind of
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like a Rasberry Pi, it has potentially …
all of the potential
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You can do domadig [?] with it.
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We have made pirate boxes quite often,
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maybe if you went to camp you
probably have seen me going around
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with a big ad sign and this actually on
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my head because I was sharing documents.
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t: You also did it in Tunisia?
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k: Yeah, in Tunisia, too.
We did it quite a few times
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The thing is: you can build piratebox,
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you can as a router, a wifi router,
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you can imagine having some kind of
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tor gateway, maybe one day routing all
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the traffic instead of VPN
routing it through tor.
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This is something we can
imagine with the …
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t: with people using it
as a way to stream radio
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from the place
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k: Yea, as a streaming device...
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t: It's one interesting thing
that there is a
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battery, so you can just... really
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have it on your backpack.
You can recharge it
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with a solar panel as it's low voltage and
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it's really something interesting and
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we came up with this by tinkering.
We hope that
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we will ... you will advance
other things to do
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over creative, stupid, crazy ideas
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and that's why we are here. So...
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k: Yeah, if you want to have
more information though
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you have this... this is
actually our domain.
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That you figured out.
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It's like "internetcube.be"
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and you have all the information
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all the documentation, mailing list, IRC,
every channel of communication
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t: Yeah, you can contact us
to share actions
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to see what can be improved,
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because for us it fits in our use cases,
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but it may be that there are other use cases
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with when you are in Tunisia or other countries,
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there are certainly other things
to do with it.
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k: Yeah, anyway. If you want to talk about
this,
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we are in CCC until the end, probably.
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And so, yeah, we'd be glad to
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answer your questions now, or we can look
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at my mails. Okay! Questions?
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applause
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Herald: Okay, Merci beaucoup, taziden et kload
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and do we have questions from the stream viewers
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or from the audience?
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That is not the case,
so thank you for your talk!
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t: Thank you! Thank you!
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applause
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Herald: Okay, there is a question! Where?
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Microphone 3!
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Question: So thank you for the talk!
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I don't have much knowledge about your
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technology so far, so excuse if the question
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is misplaced.
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How does it compare to the Tor network
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in terms of
anonymous access and stuff?
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k: It actually doesn't compare to the
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Tor network. We can not compare that.
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t: But in terms of anoynmity: it doesn't
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make you anonymous.
it's quite the opposite, actually.
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The only thing that this box can do is
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when you connect to it in the WiFi
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in your house, everything that you do
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all your connection, internet connection
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is not readable any more for your actual
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your commercial ISP.
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Your connection becomes readable for
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your local friendly organisation that
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gives you this access.
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Question: So you have to worry about your
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end to end connections.
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t: yeah! So as always.
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Herald: So now I see people lining up.
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Microphone 2 please!
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Question: Hi, can it
send emails to Gmail
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or is it just within your network?
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And how does it work because the
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filter home ISP usually at large providers?
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You have to have a trusted IP to send
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email to Gmail and others.
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t: Yes, the ISP—the local ISP—gives you an
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actual IP address on the this box
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and this box can definitely send emails
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to Gmail and receive emails from Gmail.
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It's just easily …
it is linked to one of your domain.
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So it is your domain that you are using.
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Here it was various.expert
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but you can definitely have
a more standard domain
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But yes, with that you can receive emails
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to your_nickname@your_domain.
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Yes, definitely.
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Herald: And there is a question
at microphone 4?
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Question: Hi, I am originating for Tunisia,
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so I am a little bit interested
in what you did in Tunisia
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and during the Tunisian Arab spring revolution
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it was that mesh networks, AIDA mesh network,
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was that something you did or?
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t: No not we! You want to answer maybe...
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k: No you...
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t: No, I will... sorry. No we didn't make
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mesh network but this is really something
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we can imagine with those kind of devices
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but this is not what we did in Tunisia.
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In Tunisia we just had those devices
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as pirateboxes to distribute documents
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and that's it.
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Questioner: Thank you!
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Herald: Okay, I don't see anybody
at the mics, right?
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Okay then thanks again!
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t: Thank you!
k: Thanks!
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applause
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