[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.90,0:00:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[child yelling] Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.14,0:00:20.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- We'd like to thank y'all. Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.14,0:00:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I thank y'all\Npersonally, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.46,0:00:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for coming out. Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.81,0:00:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause] Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.68,0:00:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please. Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.50,0:00:31.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please. Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.100,0:00:33.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, DJ Baby Dee. Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.97,0:00:34.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter] Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.65,0:00:38.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Say it again. Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.26,0:00:39.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- DJ Baby Dee.. Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.26,0:00:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter] Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.50,0:00:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This day is an exceptional day, Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.19,0:00:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's the day\Nof the opening. Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.48,0:00:50.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what counts now\Nand what is the change Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.09,0:00:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what is\Nthe most important thing Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.07,0:00:54.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to me as an artist\Nis every day– Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.43,0:00:57.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be every day here, Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.46,0:01:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every day here to be present\Nand to produce something. Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.72,0:01:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why the presence and the\Nproduction is so important? Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.00,0:01:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I believe\Nonly with the presence Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.83,0:01:10.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the production, Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.43,0:01:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can create the condition Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.32,0:01:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the residents\Nare implicated. Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.83,0:01:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So every day we will be here, Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.66,0:01:24.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we will be present and\Nproduce the Gramsci Monument. Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.89,0:01:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because this, what you see,\Nis not the Gramsci monument. Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.69,0:01:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's only the structure\Nof the Gramsci monument. Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.37,0:01:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause what I want to do\Nis a new kind of monument. Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.23,0:01:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this new kind of monument, Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.58,0:01:40.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to construct it\Nevery day in being here, Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.59,0:01:42.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in being present\Nand in producing Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.99,0:01:46.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in addressing it first Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.15,0:01:50.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the family who lives\Nin fifth floor there Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.45,0:01:54.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the family who lives there\Nin first floor Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.23,0:01:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the woman who lives up there\Nin the fifth floor. Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.32,0:01:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are my public. Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.50,0:01:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the challenge. Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.50,0:02:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This what's about,\Nthe Gramsci monument: Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.04,0:02:06.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To create memory,\Na common memory. Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.53,0:02:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Ace, deuce, and no use. Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.70,0:02:11.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter] Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.25,0:02:16.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The three the hard way. Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.07,0:02:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yo! Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.26,0:02:19.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- These are my buddies here. Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.27,0:02:21.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could tease 'em all day long. Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.11,0:02:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they--I know not to get out\Nof line with 'em neither too, Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.12,0:02:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause they'll slap me around Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.12,0:02:27.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like if I'm one of\Ntheir children. Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.01,0:02:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- You wouldn't\Nhave never figured Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.27,0:02:33.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would've been like this\Nwhen they first started out. Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.94,0:02:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I believe that every human being\Nhas an understanding of art. Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.01,0:02:49.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is separating us is smaller\Nthan what is unifying us. Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.98,0:02:51.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in order to unify, Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.82,0:02:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have really to take\Nsomething who goes beyond. Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.94,0:02:57.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is art to me. Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.00,0:03:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I wanted, actually, Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.48,0:03:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to establish a new term\Nof monument. Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.00,0:03:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why it's new? Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.55,0:03:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Its location. Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.34,0:03:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is not in a park. Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.00,0:03:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not in a city center. Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.69,0:03:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's where people are living. Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.17,0:03:15.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why where people are living? Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.73,0:03:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I want to address it Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.98,0:03:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what I call\Na nonexclusive audience. Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.27,0:03:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is new because its duration\Nhas no ambition of eternity. Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.78,0:03:30.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It wants to create memory. Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.57,0:03:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, in every artwork,\NI would like to establish Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.60,0:03:38.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a new term of form,\Na new term of art. Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.97,0:03:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is my big ambition,\Nof course. Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.58,0:03:45.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- There's a lot of people\Ncame walkin' around, Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.53,0:03:47.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looking while they was\Nbuilding it. Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.35,0:03:47.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right. Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.53,0:03:50.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And they wasn't sure at all. Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.27,0:03:53.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- A lot of people call\Nthis place the wood. Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.09,0:03:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah, the wood. Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.33,0:03:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- What did he call it? Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.48,0:03:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The little rascals. Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.48,0:04:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh, yeah,\Nthe little rascal clubhouse. Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.36,0:04:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah, that's what I call it. Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.86,0:04:03.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- That's the best one. Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.35,0:04:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The one that Phil\Nhad called it, he said, Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.72,0:04:07.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Little House on the Prairie\Nmeets the Bronx." Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.94,0:04:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was like, "That's it. Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.94,0:04:11.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Michael Landon's\Nnowhere around." Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.09,0:04:12.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs]\NYup. Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.65,0:04:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I decided to do it\Nwhere people are living, Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.99,0:04:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I must find somebody\Nwho agree with my project. Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.87,0:04:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I call it the key figure,\NErik Farmer. Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.69,0:04:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Erik is the president\Nof forest houses, Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.13,0:04:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the key to the neighborhood. Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.62,0:04:33.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ERIK FARMER: The first response was,\N"What is this?" Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.51,0:04:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, "What is this about?" Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.79,0:04:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I don't know anything\Nabout art. Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.37,0:04:37.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know\Nwho Antonio Gramsci is. Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.77,0:04:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't know\Nwho Thomas Hirschhorn was. Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.06,0:04:42.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My understanding\Nof a monument Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.79,0:04:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was something that–\Nit pretty much doesn't move. Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.30,0:04:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just– you know,\Nit stays there. Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.15,0:04:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm like,\N"How can it be a monument Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.80,0:04:51.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you're saying\Nyou're gonna take it down?" Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.59,0:04:53.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he was explaining to me\Nthis is, like, a new concept. Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.77,0:04:57.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he actually brought me\Nsome books, Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.40,0:04:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some past work he did. Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.08,0:05:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I read up on him\Nand all that. Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.74,0:05:06.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a monument,\Nbut it's a temporary monument. Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.28,0:05:10.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once he told me that, Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.11,0:05:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got a understanding\Nof what he wanted to do. Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.93,0:05:15.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I knew\Nhe was into tape before this. Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.74,0:05:17.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's, like, a tape freak\Nor something. Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.90,0:05:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never– he loves tape. Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.08,0:05:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never seen nobody\Nlike that before. Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.93,0:05:23.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he tells me, you know,\N"You can use tape for anything." Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.84,0:05:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can you use tape\Nfor anything? Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.58,0:05:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he really does it, really. Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.59,0:05:37.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas is–\Nhe's definitely out there. Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.25,0:05:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he got me out there\Nwith him. Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.13,0:05:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then– then a banner. Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.50,0:05:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So then we do one banner more. Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.94,0:05:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can we hang it in your house? Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.28,0:05:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Of course, I told you. Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.28,0:05:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whenever you're ready. Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.79,0:05:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whenever– yes. Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.80,0:05:53.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I asked Erik to compose a team\Nof 15 people Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.18,0:05:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to build the structure. Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.16,0:05:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[saw whirring] Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.44,0:06:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was important,\NI didn't tell him I need some specificity. Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.10,0:06:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just needed residents. Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.83,0:06:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he composed the team. Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.37,0:06:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm very proud,\Neven when it was very difficult, Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.62,0:06:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to go to the end with the team. Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.28,0:06:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I told it in the beginning, but\Nwhen you are doing an artwork. Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.58,0:06:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And especially in public space,\Nit's never a completely success. Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.70,0:06:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what is nice,\Nit's never a completely failure. Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.91,0:06:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Thomas uses me\Nas one of his main carpenters. Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.80,0:06:35.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He'll tell me to do something, Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.09,0:06:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'll take my construction experience\Nto try to add something to it. Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.53,0:06:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if he doesn't want to do it\Nthat way, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.34,0:06:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas is the boss. Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.34,0:06:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to do it his way. Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.68,0:06:44.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of times, Thomas listens\Nto how I do things. Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.83,0:06:47.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when they walk on it,\Neverything is balanced. Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.69,0:06:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh. Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.94,0:06:50.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- He's not a construction guy. Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.39,0:06:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, as he say,\Nhe's an artist. Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.32,0:06:53.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know what I'm saying? Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.32,0:06:55.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's not a construction guy\Nat all. Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.31,0:06:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well, we had plans\Nmade by an architect Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.29,0:07:00.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but only to get permission. Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.99,0:07:01.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs] Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.99,0:07:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, I mean–\Nbut also it was helpful, Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.28,0:07:08.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, for example, I learned Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.27,0:07:12.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a staircase have\Na certain dimension. Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.36,0:07:16.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that I try to do–\Nnot so good, but we tried. Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.20,0:07:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same with the ramp. Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.79,0:07:22.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it has to have a kind\Nof level, of course, to go up. Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.25,0:07:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I would go backwards, Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.25,0:07:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then when it turned up,\NI would turn around. Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.47,0:07:27.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's fine, Thomas. Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.91,0:07:28.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay. Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.91,0:07:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To me, it seems the only way\Nto work together. Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.14,0:07:35.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which I would like to call\Nin coexistence. Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.86,0:07:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Seems to me much more honest\Nto say "Coexistence" Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.76,0:07:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than "Collaboration." Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.58,0:07:44.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They will be paid\Nfor their work, Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.27,0:07:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's like\NI'm coming in a gallery Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.84,0:07:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And working with the people\Nwho are working for the gallery Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.16,0:07:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or for the museum. Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.16,0:07:52.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're paid as well. Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.28,0:07:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- When he first got there, Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.64,0:07:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he didn't want people to focus\Non making money Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.87,0:08:00.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people just focused\Non doing a job. Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.11,0:08:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wanted people to understand\Nwhat this gentleman was about, Antonio Gramsci. Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.06,0:08:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I was very happy that in the\Nneighborhood of forest houses, Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.96,0:08:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who didn't know\NAntonio Gramsci Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.00,0:08:15.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,made very immediately\Nthe connection Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.39,0:08:18.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To Nelson Mandela or Malcolm X. Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.28,0:08:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gramsci is a philosopher\Nof Marxist thinking, Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.22,0:08:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he comes from italy. Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.59,0:08:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He went to prison\Nfor his thinking. Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.96,0:08:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He didn't made a book. Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.65,0:08:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He made his notebooks, who are\Nlike layers of thinkings, Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.00,0:08:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always related to very practical things\Nbut still with a big ambition. Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.39,0:08:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not a cultural project\Nbut an art project. Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.52,0:09:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very important\Nto understand it as a sculpture, Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.80,0:09:07.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as something who wants to engage\Nwith the surrounding buildings. Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.35,0:09:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why these materials? Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.64,0:09:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they're materials\Nthat everybody use and knows. Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.33,0:09:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not because\Nit's in forest houses, Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.21,0:09:20.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a socially\Nnot favorite neighborhood Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.85,0:09:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it is with cardboard\Nor with tape and with wood. Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.20,0:09:28.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, it belongs\Nto my aesthetic vocabulary. Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.19,0:09:32.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Shotgun, too hot to trot. Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.28,0:09:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yo, we're here live, 91.9 fm. Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.54,0:09:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't forget to stop by\NThe Gramsci bar and grill, Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.04,0:09:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where they've got all the\Nbeautiful food and everything. Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.53,0:09:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is so... Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.14,0:09:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [singing]\N♪early in the morning♪ Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.36,0:09:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪drive into the street♪ Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.97,0:09:51.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's it. Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.43,0:09:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[indistinct conversation] Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.55,0:09:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, island. Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.70,0:09:58.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you know how to spell? Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.94,0:09:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Island? Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.12,0:10:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- On 5:00 sunday,\Nwe got Mr. Marcus steinweg Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.78,0:10:06.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the daily lecture. Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.03,0:10:08.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mondays, we got our Gramsci theater. Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.95,0:10:14.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[people talking at once] Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.75,0:10:16.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'm going mad! Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.29,0:10:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People: Whoo! Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.79,0:10:24.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Capitalism? Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.54,0:10:25.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Capitalism? Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.90,0:10:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Capitalism. Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.16,0:10:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- You learn. Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.65,0:10:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I met people\Nfrom all walk of life. Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.68,0:10:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love that. Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.68,0:10:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was– that was the best. Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.87,0:10:37.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- All over the world. Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.89,0:10:39.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- That's right. Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.18,0:10:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The second part of my work Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.24,0:10:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is what I call\Npublic interventions. Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.77,0:10:44.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I go out of the museum\Nand gallery world, Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.95,0:10:47.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I try to reach an audience\Nthat is larger Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.02,0:10:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the small audience that\Nwe know goes to the art world. Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.50,0:10:55.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the third part\Nof my practice is teaching. Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.44,0:10:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's fine, yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.34,0:10:59.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is working? Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.34,0:11:00.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, okay. Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.34,0:11:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Sorry. Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.34,0:11:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It's okay. Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.97,0:11:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And if it wasn't here,\Nthey wouldn't have came. Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.92,0:11:07.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right. Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.12,0:11:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- 'Cause why would they want\Nto come here? Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.34,0:11:19.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- On fridays,\NMr. Thomas Hirschhorn himself Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.81,0:11:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At 11:00 in the morning\Nto 3:00 in the afternoon Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.84,0:11:24.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with his art school. Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.67,0:11:26.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His art school is very good. Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.09,0:11:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been to the class\Nand everything, Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.37,0:11:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's right here\Non the Gramsci monument stage. Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.18,0:11:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas Hirshhorn's art school class,\N11:00 in the morning. Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.36,0:11:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And his art school class,\Nit contains energy, yes; quality, no. Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.23,0:11:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Never about judging a person, never. Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.18,0:11:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But judging a work with it, yes, Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.08,0:11:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I believe\Nonly the judgment of something Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.78,0:11:53.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we did ourself\Nor some other else did Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.07,0:11:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can help us to go forward. Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.62,0:11:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- If you can't take criticism... Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.09,0:11:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Don't come. Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.17,0:11:59.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Don't come to the class. Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.81,0:12:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Energy, yes. Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.08,0:12:02.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Quality, no. Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.78,0:12:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not interested\Nin the criteria of quality, Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.65,0:12:11.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I think the criteria\Nof quality is exclusive. Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.07,0:12:15.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's why I try to invent\Nanother criteria Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.42,0:12:18.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who replace the criteria\Nof quality, Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.33,0:12:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the criteria of energy. Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.18,0:12:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It was kind of rough. Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.01,0:12:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And make brown, right? Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.46,0:12:25.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Can red and blue and orange? Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.74,0:12:27.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah, the last one, Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.13,0:12:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they're opposites. Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.28,0:12:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Orange and blue are opposites,\Nbecause orange... Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.73,0:12:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas came to my school. Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.04,0:12:36.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I graduated from Princeton University. Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.30,0:12:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he did a lecture, and I had\Na studio visit with him. Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.15,0:12:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And his expression\N"energy, yes; quality, no" Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.58,0:12:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is something\Nthat really resonated with me. Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.72,0:12:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I emailed him afterwards,\Nasking if I could be involved Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.67,0:12:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in his next project,\Nand he said yes. Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.57,0:12:56.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the beginning,\Nit was more like a class. Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.22,0:12:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, for the first\Nfive or six weeks, Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.18,0:13:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was very, like,\Nspecific activities Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.32,0:13:05.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we were doing\Nabout different artists, Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.73,0:13:07.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different ideas in art, Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.73,0:13:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different technical\Nart concepts. Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.31,0:13:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then in the last few weeks, Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.71,0:13:14.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's been more kind of just,\Nlike, an open workshop, Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.57,0:13:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause now the kids\Nare coming in, Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.39,0:13:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they have a lot more\Nof their own ideas. Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.93,0:13:20.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want to spray the inside? Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.39,0:13:22.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, don't spray the inside. Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.82,0:13:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- All right. Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.00,0:13:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could spray the inside. Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.85,0:13:27.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- This is not a collaboration. Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.37,0:13:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is work in coexistence Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.12,0:13:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That me, I do it 100%,\Nbut the other also 100%. Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.72,0:13:35.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I cannot interfere. Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.92,0:13:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to interfere. Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.44,0:13:40.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want to take\Nthe responsibility– and I can– Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.94,0:13:43.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of 100%\Nof what the other does also. Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.53,0:13:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That I call\Nunshared authorship. Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.12,0:13:48.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, for example,\Nin the radio station, Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.87,0:13:52.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the DJ Gucci\NOr DJ Baby Dee told Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.89,0:13:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how they told it, I take\N100% responsibility about. Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.16,0:14:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Offices have a certain amount\Nof collars to get monthly, Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.35,0:14:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was told. Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.86,0:14:07.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was told, when I was writing tickets,\Nthat I had a minimum of 27 tickets Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.77,0:14:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had to write per month minimum. Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.62,0:14:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look around you. Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.78,0:14:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Notice that when you enter\Nupon a projects, Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.44,0:14:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is it\Nthat you're walking through? Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.17,0:14:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whereas it–\Nthey were not there years ago. Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.18,0:14:20.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It's, like, gated. Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.01,0:14:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Raw iron gates. Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.01,0:14:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.83,0:14:24.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Once you enter\Nupon those raw iron gates, Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.79,0:14:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're practically going\Nthrough a door. Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.24,0:14:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the insignia\Nof trespassing. Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.42,0:14:31.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The thing is, do we go down? Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.35,0:14:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do we make a complaint? Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.35,0:14:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Of course. Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.06,0:14:34.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Do we fight the ticket? Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.06,0:14:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wait a minute. Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.56,0:14:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me just finish. Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.06,0:14:37.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do we fight the ticket,\Nor do we just let it sit Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.54,0:14:39.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get a warrant\Nand then double up our problem? Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.37,0:14:40.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I think I have a solution. Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.53,0:14:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah, yeah, solution. Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.53,0:14:42.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's hear a solution. Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.65,0:14:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I've been going through it,\NSo... Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.47,0:14:48.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Then, at 4:00, we got the daily lecture\Nwith Mr. Marcus Steinweg. Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.39,0:14:53.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His daily lecture for today is\N"For the Love of Philosophy." Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.11,0:14:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- A kind of ontological void\Nor emptiness. Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.43,0:14:59.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does it mean, then,\Nfor the change Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.29,0:15:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now transform situation\Nof the human subject? Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.05,0:15:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does it mean for the\Ndefinition of what thinking is? Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.70,0:15:08.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thinking is first\Nto deal with this lack, Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.84,0:15:10.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this void,\Nwith this emptiness. Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.99,0:15:12.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call it the inexistence of God. Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.95,0:15:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Call it simply a kind of–\NCall it a kind of– Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.93,0:15:17.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole of freedom, Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.93,0:15:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Jean-Paul Sartre\Nis claiming that. Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.94,0:15:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- He said that yesterday\Nhe don't believe in God. Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.14,0:15:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "What you mean,\Nyou don't believe in God?" Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.48,0:15:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That, like, it got to me. Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.24,0:15:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had to get up and say– I had\Nto get up and say something. Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.24,0:15:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What you mean,\Nyou don't believe in God?" Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.84,0:15:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said\Nhe don't believe in nothing. Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.08,0:15:34.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "Okay." Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.60,0:15:37.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- When I'm in front\Nof an artwork, Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.51,0:15:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are two questions. Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.15,0:15:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where do you stand? Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.77,0:15:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you want? Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.43,0:15:45.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Without getting too deep,\Ntoo heavy– Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.57,0:15:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yo, this next song is a joint\Ncalled I got it. Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.29,0:15:51.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is basically based\Non anybody Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.82,0:15:53.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's ever tried\Nto accomplish something Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.62,0:15:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the odds\Nwas really against you Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.38,0:15:58.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you still pushed forward\Nanyway. Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.11,0:15:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah, yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.23,0:16:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- With that said, soundman. Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.49,0:16:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[latin guitar music] Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.18,0:16:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪like flaunting these roses♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.00,0:16:08.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪so many phony imposers♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.39,0:16:10.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪so many days on the humble♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.79,0:16:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪now feel my attitude crumble♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.02,0:16:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪and I won't shut it off♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.38,0:16:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪I've paid every cost♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.86,0:16:21.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪so all that shots I call♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.93,0:16:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪who are you to doubt it?♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.63,0:16:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪many floors in entertainment♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.59,0:16:28.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪I bear my soul\N'fore it's naked♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.01,0:16:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪too many dreams now faded♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.40,0:16:33.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪they're saying\NI'll never make it♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.88,0:16:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪and I should fold my cards♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.00,0:16:38.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪damn, I've come too far♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.55,0:16:41.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪I shine above them all♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.29,0:16:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪and everything I love,\NMan, I got it♪ Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.85,0:16:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks for the love,\NForest Projects. Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.30,0:16:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We out of here. Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.80,0:16:49.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I told y'all\NI was gonna be crazy. Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.49,0:16:51.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You didn't believe me. Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.98,0:16:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I told you. Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.97,0:16:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MARCELLA PARADISE:\NSpeaking and talking Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.92,0:16:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to other people, Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.94,0:16:58.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Listening\Nto other people lectures, Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.94,0:17:02.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying where they came from\Nand from where you came from, Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.29,0:17:04.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're gonna miss it. Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.15,0:17:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.00,0:17:07.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah. Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.05,0:17:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- We ain't feel it yet. Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.34,0:17:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We ain't feel it yet,\Nbut it's gonna bring some tears. Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.56,0:17:12.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's gonna bring some tears\Nhere. Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.58,0:17:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- 'Cause that means\Nthe people go. Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.51,0:17:17.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right, and it's just gonna be\Nsomething loss here. Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.05,0:17:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just gonna be\Nlike someone die. Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.94,0:17:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Mm-hmm. Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.94,0:17:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Now I understand\Nwhat a monument means. Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.08,0:17:28.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's something that stays in\Nyour heart and in your memory, Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.98,0:17:31.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they only have it once. Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.42,0:17:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah.