1 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:16,804 (applause) 2 00:00:16,804 --> 00:00:22,070 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine: MDMA. 3 00:00:22,070 --> 00:00:27,489 Now you're probably heard of this compound in the context of the recreational drug Ecstasy. 4 00:00:27,489 --> 00:00:31,768 But today I want to talk about MDMA not as a recreational drug, 5 00:00:31,768 --> 00:00:35,629 but as a potential new treatment in medicine. 6 00:00:35,629 --> 00:00:39,750 And then very important treatment for psychiatry because MDMA could offer us 7 00:00:39,750 --> 00:00:44,609 in psychiatry for the first time the opportunity to tackle trauma. 8 00:00:45,079 --> 00:00:49,289 And psychological trauma particularly that caused by child abuse and maltreatment 9 00:00:49,289 --> 00:00:57,139 is at the heart of all or most psychiatric disorders due to anxiety and addictions. 10 00:00:57,759 --> 00:01:02,069 Psychiatry is in need of this innovative approach, 11 00:01:00,900 --> 00:01:04,731 because current treatments are failing patients. 12 00:01:06,051 --> 00:01:09,860 Hi, my name's Ben Sessa. I'm a child and adolescent psychiatrist. 13 00:01:09,860 --> 00:01:12,349 Now that means I trained as a medical doctor, 14 00:01:12,349 --> 00:01:14,440 then specialized in mental health 15 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,400 and then specialized in child and adolescent mental health. 16 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,220 But for the last five years I've been working with adults with 17 00:01:20,220 --> 00:01:24,480 mental health disorders and addictions due to misuse of drugs. 18 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,509 And that developmental pathway of my own, 19 00:01:27,509 --> 00:01:30,299 from working with child abuse into adults 20 00:01:30,299 --> 00:01:34,069 with mental disorders and addictions has brought me to the door of MDMA. 21 00:01:34,829 --> 00:01:37,299 And I'm gonna propose today that MDMA could be 22 00:01:37,299 --> 00:01:41,699 important for the future of psychiatry as the discovery of antibiotics was 23 00:01:41,699 --> 00:01:44,499 for general medicine a hundred years ago. 24 00:01:44,999 --> 00:01:51,090 So when we think about child abuse we think about physical abuse, mental abuse, 25 00:01:51,090 --> 00:01:54,430 emotional abuse, sexual abuse and neglect. 26 00:01:55,370 --> 00:01:58,180 And we think about noxious environments. 27 00:01:58,180 --> 00:02:00,220 We think about parents with mental disorder. 28 00:02:00,220 --> 00:02:02,450 We think about parents who are addicted to drugs. 29 00:02:00,221 --> 00:02:06,709 And social issues like poverty and poor housing, poor education. 30 00:02:07,389 --> 00:02:10,257 Now I'm going to illustrate my talk today with a patient 31 00:02:10,257 --> 00:02:12,330 and I'm going to call her Claire. 32 00:02:12,330 --> 00:02:16,020 Now Claire was no single particular patient of mine. 33 00:02:16,060 --> 00:02:18,640 Rather she's an amalgamation of many different people 34 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:22,070 I've met in the last 18 years working as a medical doctor. 35 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:25,060 She's certainly not the worst. 36 00:02:25,820 --> 00:02:29,170 Now what was Claire's environment like when she was growing up? 37 00:02:29,170 --> 00:02:31,380 Well, her mother was depressed. 38 00:02:31,380 --> 00:02:34,890 Now unfortunately the family doctor didn't have time to accurately 39 00:02:34,890 --> 00:02:37,670 diagnose and treat depression, rather, 40 00:02:37,670 --> 00:02:40,620 Claire's mother was put onto one antidepressant after another, 41 00:02:40,620 --> 00:02:42,690 never really got therapy. 42 00:02:42,690 --> 00:02:45,140 Claire's mother also had a lot of aches and pains 43 00:02:45,140 --> 00:02:48,110 typical what we call psychosomatic symptoms in depression, 44 00:02:48,110 --> 00:02:52,850 and as a result the family doctor put her on to opiate based painkillers 45 00:02:52,850 --> 00:02:55,610 which she promptly became addicted to. 46 00:02:55,950 --> 00:02:59,100 Now Claire's father, now he was alcoholic and he was often 47 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:01,110 not around in and out of prison. 48 00:03:01,110 --> 00:03:03,160 Which is just as well because when he was there 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,390 he was physically abusive to Claire and her mother. 50 00:03:06,390 --> 00:03:08,130 Okay so what does this kind 51 00:03:08,130 --> 00:03:10,940 of chaotic, frightening environment do 52 00:03:10,940 --> 00:03:13,720 to the developing child brain? 53 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,710 I'm going to give you a brief neurophysiology lesson if I may. 54 00:03:16,710 --> 00:03:19,650 There's a part of the brain called the amygdala. 55 00:03:19,650 --> 00:03:23,030 Now the amygdala is a very ancient part of the mammalian brain 56 00:03:23,030 --> 00:03:26,580 and many other animals other than humans have an amygdala. 57 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:29,509 The amygdala lights up when stimulated by 58 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:32,600 fear in the environment, by a frightening stimulus. 59 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,849 It lights up and it says: fight-or-flight, get out! 60 00:03:36,849 --> 00:03:40,170 Now there's another part of the brain much more sophisticated part, 61 00:03:40,170 --> 00:03:44,110 called the prefrontal cortex and it's right here at the front above the eyes. 62 00:03:44,110 --> 00:03:47,360 Now the prefrontal cortex only humans have. 63 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:52,500 And it's in the prefrontal cortex where we use logic and reasoning to 64 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:55,130 rationalize the situation and we can use 65 00:03:55,130 --> 00:03:57,780 our prefrontal cortex to overcome that 66 00:03:57,780 --> 00:04:00,670 instinctive fear response from the amygdala. 67 00:04:00,670 --> 00:04:02,750 Now when Claire was growing up 68 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:04,710 she never knew from one moment to the next 69 00:04:04,710 --> 00:04:07,520 whether the adult coming into the room, were they going to give her a kiss 70 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,770 or a cuddle or do a jigsaw with her, 71 00:04:09,770 --> 00:04:11,960 or were they going to punch her or kick her 72 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,329 or burn her with their cigarette. 73 00:04:14,329 --> 00:04:16,709 Or were they going to rape her. 74 00:04:16,709 --> 00:04:20,409 Because throughout her childhood Claire was also subjected to sexual abuse. 75 00:04:21,630 --> 00:04:25,800 Now, there's a group of disorders called the anxiety disorders, 76 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,160 and one of the most important 77 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,839 is what we call post-traumatic stress disorder or PTSD. 78 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,841 Now PTSD, some of the core features: 79 00:04:34,841 --> 00:04:38,610 very low mood, anxiety, high levels of anxiety, 80 00:04:38,610 --> 00:04:40,829 what we call hyper vigilance: 81 00:04:40,829 --> 00:04:43,249 this edginess, this jumpiness. 82 00:04:43,249 --> 00:04:46,860 Exactly how Claire felt throughout her childhood and adolescence. 83 00:04:46,860 --> 00:04:49,650 Never knowing whether the next assailant or assault 84 00:04:49,650 --> 00:04:51,849 was around the corner. 85 00:04:51,849 --> 00:04:56,460 Another core feature of PTSD, what we call re-experiencing phenomena. 86 00:04:56,460 --> 00:05:01,520 Flashbacks, when the patient has sudden remembrances of painful traumatic memories. 87 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:02,940 They can just pop into the head 88 00:05:02,940 --> 00:05:07,320 at any time, triggered by some cue in the environment. 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,770 And when they have those experiences, those daytime flashbacks, 90 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:15,050 they relive the trauma in all the sensory modalities and this results in 91 00:05:15,050 --> 00:05:19,220 them freezing or dissociating to try and block out the pain. 92 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:23,410 Claire experienced all of this as she was growing up. 93 00:05:24,450 --> 00:05:29,450 High levels of self-harm and suicide are associated with PTSD. 94 00:05:29,450 --> 00:05:32,070 Claire would cut her thighs and her breasts. 95 00:05:32,670 --> 00:05:37,269 Pretty common form of cutting in children who've been sexually abused. 96 00:05:37,269 --> 00:05:40,010 She was being sexually abused by her mother's clients, 97 00:05:40,010 --> 00:05:43,599 because her mother had moved on from the addiction to painkillers and 98 00:05:43,599 --> 00:05:46,890 was using street heroin when Claire was a teenager. 99 00:05:46,890 --> 00:05:51,310 Because of the way the war on drugs has set up that reduces access to treatment 100 00:05:51,310 --> 00:05:54,789 for people with opiate dependence, she had to pay for her 101 00:05:54,789 --> 00:05:58,939 heroin using sex work and the clients would sexually abuse Claire. 102 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:05,169 It's very hard to treat PTSD and it has a high treatment resistance, 103 00:06:05,169 --> 00:06:09,380 50% of people do not respond to the traditional treatments. 104 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,320 How do we treat it? 105 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,979 We can treat it with medications. We can treat it with psychotherapies. 106 00:06:14,979 --> 00:06:18,900 And the medications we use: there's a broad range of drugs. 107 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:24,520 No single drug, and this is very important, no single drug cures PTSD. 108 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,210 Rather we treat the disorder symptomatically: 109 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:30,250 If the patient's depressed give them an antidepressant. 110 00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:33,800 If their mood fluctuates give them a mood stabilizer. 111 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,670 If they can't sleep give them a hypnotic. 112 00:06:36,670 --> 00:06:40,800 And if that edginess and that fear spills over into paranoia and psychosis, 113 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,880 give the patient an anti-psychotic drug. 114 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,240 And they have to take these drugs day in day out for weeks, months, decades. 115 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,710 They have to keep taking them because the drugs we use to treat trauma when it's 116 00:06:53,710 --> 00:06:59,320 due to this level of severity do not attack the root cause of trauma. 117 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,570 They paper over the cracks. 118 00:07:01,570 --> 00:07:07,700 A good analogy would be taking aspirin or ibuprofen when you have a fever. 119 00:07:07,700 --> 00:07:13,100 A fever is caused by an infection, by a microorganism. 120 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:17,680 Sure, you can take paracetamol or ibuprofen and this will lower the temperature 121 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,190 and make you feel a bit better but it doesn't attack the root cause. 122 00:07:22,190 --> 00:07:26,560 And that's what we do when we give these patients these daily SSRI drugs. 123 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,860 We paper over the cracks. 124 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:32,090 We maintain the symptoms at a manageable level. 125 00:07:32,090 --> 00:07:35,640 We also use psychotherapies to treat PTSD, and there's 126 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:41,790 again a broad range of these: DBT, CBT, EMDR, trauma focused psychotherapy, 127 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:45,010 CAT, APT... Now all of them have a pretty 128 00:07:45,010 --> 00:07:48,810 similar approach which actually is an old wives tales which is: 129 00:07:48,810 --> 00:07:51,210 a problem shared is a problem halved. 130 00:07:51,210 --> 00:07:56,320 "Let's talk about your trauma. Claire tell me about your rape." 131 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:03,850 Now that's fine for 50% of patients but for a significant half they just cannot do that. 132 00:08:03,850 --> 00:08:07,440 As soon as Claire is asked to talk about her rape she freezes, 133 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,360 she flees, she drops out of treatment. 134 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,320 By the time she was 15 Claire had been removed from the family home and she was 135 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,320 brought up in a succession of foster placements and children's houses and 136 00:08:18,450 --> 00:08:21,559 hostels where the abuse continued. 137 00:08:22,159 --> 00:08:25,339 She was self-harm cutting and she started drinking and 138 00:08:25,339 --> 00:08:29,260 by the time she was 18, she was using heroin as well. 139 00:08:29,260 --> 00:08:34,010 Sometimes working in psychiatry can feel pretty desperate, can feel pretty hopeless. 140 00:08:34,410 --> 00:08:39,160 Sometimes it feels as if psychiatry is a palliative care profession. 141 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,109 And this is the truth because the treatments we use do not get to the 142 00:08:42,109 --> 00:08:44,559 root cause of the problem, the trauma. 143 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,740 They paper over the cracks. 144 00:08:46,740 --> 00:08:50,090 And I think the pharma industry know this and they queue up and they 145 00:08:50,090 --> 00:08:53,510 provide us with product after product to give to our patients that doesn't quite 146 00:08:53,510 --> 00:08:58,380 cure them but it gets them slightly better to function. 147 00:08:58,380 --> 00:09:00,370 And they have to keep taking them. 148 00:09:00,370 --> 00:09:04,800 I would say that we're in psychiatry today where we were in general medicine 100 years ago. 149 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,540 100 years ago in general medicine, 150 00:09:06,540 --> 00:09:10,160 humanity was losing the battle to the infectious diseases. 151 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,760 Oh we were very good at classifying and diagnosing them. 152 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,770 We knew who got smallpox. 153 00:09:14,770 --> 00:09:17,320 We knew people died of post-operative surgery. 154 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,640 We knew there were microorganisms but we didn't have a treatment. 155 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,850 And then at the beginning of the 20th century we discovered the antibiotics. 156 00:09:25,850 --> 00:09:29,810 Not symptomatic treatment but treatment that goes to the core of the cause 157 00:09:29,810 --> 00:09:33,660 and we started getting on top of infectious disease. 158 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,090 Psychiatry today is in a similar place. 159 00:09:37,090 --> 00:09:39,550 We're very good at classifying and diagnosing. 160 00:09:39,550 --> 00:09:41,670 Our epidemiology is superb. 161 00:09:41,670 --> 00:09:44,000 We write these thick diagnostic manuals. 162 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,529 We know who gets depression. 163 00:09:45,529 --> 00:09:47,070 We know who gets anxiety. 164 00:09:47,070 --> 00:09:53,700 We even know the cause: trauma, child abuse, maltreatment, poor social conditions. 165 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:56,150 But our treatments are lousy. 166 00:09:57,810 --> 00:10:00,820 And I'm quite shocked the way the empathy 167 00:10:00,820 --> 00:10:05,030 switch and our understanding of these patients seems to be switched off. 168 00:10:05,550 --> 00:10:09,520 We have lots of gushing sentimentality for the little five and six year old who's 169 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:14,710 being abused and we throw money at our television sets on these campaigns to 170 00:10:14,710 --> 00:10:17,930 improve the lives of these poor little innocent victims. 171 00:10:17,930 --> 00:10:20,500 Well, let me tell you what happens to that little five or six year old, 172 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:23,180 when they're 11 or 12. 173 00:10:23,180 --> 00:10:26,830 On goes the hood, start smoking weed. 174 00:10:26,830 --> 00:10:29,360 By the time they're 16 they're buying and selling amphetamine 175 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,490 and by the time they're Claire's age in their mid-20s, 176 00:10:31,490 --> 00:10:33,670 they're addicted to heroin and alcohol. 177 00:10:33,670 --> 00:10:36,580 And suddenly we have lost our empathy. 178 00:10:36,580 --> 00:10:39,450 These people are public enemy number one. 179 00:10:39,450 --> 00:10:45,160 "It's your fault Claire. You brought this upon yourself. It's your lifestyle choice." 180 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:50,400 And I'm quite shocked and having worked in pediatrics and seen the developmental 181 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,300 trajectory that is so inevitable from early trauma into adolescent and then 182 00:10:55,300 --> 00:10:59,079 adult mental health and addictions, we have to hold on to that sense of compassion 183 00:10:59,079 --> 00:11:04,470 and evidence-based understanding about the developmental trajectory there. 184 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,720 So it does sound desperate, but all is not lost. 185 00:11:09,740 --> 00:11:14,220 MDMA. MDMA has some fascinating qualities. 186 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:19,410 I would suggest that if you were to invent a hypothetical drug to treat trauma, 187 00:11:19,410 --> 00:11:21,940 it would be MDMA. 188 00:11:21,940 --> 00:11:25,610 The way it works in terms of its receptors and its subjective psychological effects 189 00:11:25,610 --> 00:11:27,550 ticks all the right boxes. 190 00:11:27,550 --> 00:11:31,420 At one level of receptors it causes a increased positive mood. 191 00:11:31,420 --> 00:11:34,200 Lowering of depression, lowering of anxiety. 192 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,160 At another group of receptors it speeds the patient up, 193 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,570 mild stimulation which motivates them to engage in therapy. 194 00:11:41,570 --> 00:11:45,140 At another level it relaxes the patient paradoxically 195 00:11:45,140 --> 00:11:50,120 at the same time as the stimulation and this puts the patient into the optimal arousal 196 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,330 zone where they can engage in psychotherapy. 197 00:11:53,330 --> 00:11:58,610 But perhaps the most important thing about MDMA and the most important clinical tool 198 00:11:58,610 --> 00:12:06,020 is its ability to provide a sense of empathy and understanding and emotional security. 199 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:12,230 It can hold the patient in a place where they can think about and access their trauma 200 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:15,310 like they've never been able to do before. 201 00:12:15,710 --> 00:12:17,690 One of the ways in which MDMA works is 202 00:12:17,690 --> 00:12:21,650 it increases the release of a hormone called oxytocin. 203 00:12:21,650 --> 00:12:25,600 Oxytocin is released from the brains of breastfeeding mothers. 204 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,760 It's a hormone that engenders a sense of attachment and bonding. 205 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,710 And that's what's happening in the patient who takes MDMA. 206 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:36,450 And also it acts directly on the amygdala to reduce 207 00:12:36,450 --> 00:12:41,280 that fear response whilst at the same time boosting the prefrontal response, 208 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,240 allowing the patient to see things in a new light. 209 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,130 A positive light. 210 00:12:46,130 --> 00:12:48,320 So let's go back to Claire. 211 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,340 She's 40 now. 212 00:12:50,340 --> 00:12:52,950 She's been in and out of psychiatric hospitals, 213 00:12:52,950 --> 00:12:55,210 having tried to take her own life and the inception. 214 00:12:55,210 --> 00:12:58,640 She's been on all the antipsychotic and antidepressant mood stabiliser drugs. 215 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,560 She's tried all the psychotherapies but she cannot engage 216 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:05,890 because she will not talk about her feelings. 217 00:13:05,890 --> 00:13:11,160 So she comes into a course of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy. 218 00:13:11,860 --> 00:13:13,379 What does it look like? 219 00:13:13,379 --> 00:13:17,809 It's weekly sessions, maybe eight, ten, twelve weeks long. 220 00:13:17,809 --> 00:13:20,599 There're two therapists, male-female pair. 221 00:13:20,599 --> 00:13:25,359 You do not take MDMA everyday, you do not take it every week. 222 00:13:25,359 --> 00:13:29,259 Over that course of 12 sessions you'll take the MDMA three times and the 223 00:13:29,259 --> 00:13:34,390 other sessions you talk about the material that's released on the MDMA session. 224 00:13:35,010 --> 00:13:39,909 So what does Claire actually feel when she takes this MDMA? 225 00:13:39,909 --> 00:13:46,289 What she feels is a sense of warmth and understanding and a sense of containment 226 00:13:46,289 --> 00:13:51,099 within that relationship she's having with the therapist. 227 00:13:51,099 --> 00:13:55,550 MDMA is like a lifejacket like a bulletproof vest 228 00:13:55,550 --> 00:13:58,870 to wear to go into battle with your trauma. 229 00:13:58,870 --> 00:14:01,169 This is not ecstasy! 230 00:14:01,169 --> 00:14:06,310 She's not enjoying some raver's euphoric ecstasy delight. 231 00:14:06,310 --> 00:14:10,790 This is still trauma focused psychotherapy and it is still hard and distressing for her, 232 00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:14,929 but she can just about do it with MDMA on board. 233 00:14:14,929 --> 00:14:19,909 So when the therapist says: "Claire, tell me about your rape". 234 00:14:19,909 --> 00:14:22,320 In the past just the word rape and she'd be out the door, 235 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,889 but on MDMA she says: "yeah, I can talk about that! 236 00:14:25,889 --> 00:14:31,899 I can see him now coming into the room. I can smell the whiskey on his breath and 237 00:14:31,899 --> 00:14:35,829 I can feel the stubble on his face as he's raping me". 238 00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:40,280 And she talks about it and she explores it and she reflects upon it 239 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,989 and she can begin the process of healing. 240 00:14:42,989 --> 00:14:45,639 And from here she can start her journey. 241 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:48,889 She can attack the root cause of her problems. 242 00:14:48,889 --> 00:14:52,729 Not just maintain the symptoms at a level. 243 00:14:54,989 --> 00:14:56,829 So, does it work? 244 00:14:56,829 --> 00:14:59,439 Well, we've known about MDMA for very long time 245 00:14:59,439 --> 00:15:04,530 and indeed we've used MDMA in underground therapy for 30 or 40 years. 246 00:15:04,530 --> 00:15:07,409 And there are thousands of positive anecdotal cases. 247 00:15:07,409 --> 00:15:12,729 I get five emails a week from all over the world: "Dr. Sessa, I've had PTSD for years. 248 00:15:12,729 --> 00:15:17,389 I've tried everything and now I tried MDMA and I'm starting to make a breakthrough!" 249 00:15:17,469 --> 00:15:21,269 Now, anecdotal reports like that are interesting but they're not science so 250 00:15:21,269 --> 00:15:23,150 we've done the science. 251 00:15:23,150 --> 00:15:26,119 And some important studies in recent years. 252 00:15:26,119 --> 00:15:32,609 Big study in the States showed that a single course of MDMA therapy, 16-week course, 253 00:15:32,609 --> 00:15:36,459 patient takes MDMA three times tested against a placebo. 254 00:15:36,459 --> 00:15:44,129 At the end of that course 85% of the people no longer met the diagnostic criteria for PTSD. 255 00:15:44,129 --> 00:15:48,820 Not just a relief of symptoms, they didn't have PTSD! 256 00:15:48,820 --> 00:15:54,010 Now that cohort were then followed up three years later, the same no PTSD. 257 00:15:54,010 --> 00:15:57,949 Many of those people had come of their daily medications. 258 00:15:57,949 --> 00:16:03,190 They were cured! We don't use the word "cure" in psychiatry. 259 00:16:03,190 --> 00:16:08,350 We've become learned helplessness position of--This is the truth! 260 00:16:08,350 --> 00:16:11,999 If you're diagnosed with a severe mental disorder like anxiety or depression 261 00:16:11,999 --> 00:16:16,580 in your 20s, and the developmental route of that disorder is severe child abuse, 262 00:16:16,580 --> 00:16:19,429 there's a pretty good chance chance-- and I'm sorry to say this-- 263 00:16:19,429 --> 00:16:21,929 there's a pretty good chance you will still be going to 264 00:16:21,929 --> 00:16:24,049 psychiatric clinics in your 60s and 70s. 265 00:16:24,049 --> 00:16:28,809 Now that is not good enough and 266 00:16:26,589 --> 00:16:33,370 we're in this position because we're not 267 00:16:28,809 --> 00:16:36,819 tackling trauma. So, it works but is it 268 00:16:33,370 --> 00:16:39,610 safe? Well, when we talk about safety of 269 00:16:36,819 --> 00:16:42,639 clinical MDMA, what we must not do is 270 00:16:39,610 --> 00:16:45,790 look at the risks of recreational 271 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:46,720 ecstasy. I don't even know what ecstasy 272 00:16:45,790 --> 00:16:48,790 is anymore! 273 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,550 Ecstasy is over here, what is ecstasy? 274 00:16:48,790 --> 00:16:54,100 Some dodgy pill bought in some dodgy 275 00:16:51,550 --> 00:16:56,889 club of some dodgy geezer, that may or 276 00:16:54,100 --> 00:17:00,480 may not contain MDMA plus or minus 277 00:16:56,889 --> 00:17:03,040 whatever far more toxic substance. And 278 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:05,109 indeed when you hear about the very 279 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:10,359 high-profile deaths of people who take 280 00:17:05,108 --> 00:17:12,219 ecstasy, it invariably is not MDMA. So, 281 00:17:10,358 --> 00:17:15,219 let's not look at ecstasy as a measure 282 00:17:12,220 --> 00:17:18,398 of MDMA. Let's look at clinical MDMA. Now, 283 00:17:15,220 --> 00:17:20,709 when you use clinical MDMA, you take 284 00:17:18,397 --> 00:17:23,279 it under medical supervision. It is pure. 285 00:17:20,709 --> 00:17:30,289 The MDMA that I'm using in my studies is 286 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:32,850 99.98% pure! Very expensive! (laughter) 287 00:17:30,289 --> 00:17:34,470 We do it under medical supervision with 288 00:17:32,850 --> 00:17:37,950 a doctor and a nurse and a psychologist. 289 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:40,740 And under those conditions the risks are 290 00:17:37,950 --> 00:17:42,990 reduced to a absolute minimum. Indeed 291 00:17:40,740 --> 00:17:45,690 after 40 years of MDMA research, there 292 00:17:42,990 --> 00:17:48,630 has not been a single serious adverse 293 00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:53,580 drug reaction, not one! And certainly no 294 00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:55,500 deaths. So, we need to do this research 295 00:17:53,580 --> 00:17:59,880 and we need to do this research in an 296 00:17:55,500 --> 00:18:02,970 evidence-based, compassionate way. Looking 297 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:05,159 at the data. We need to ignore the 298 00:18:02,970 --> 00:18:06,630 socio-political agenda that says any 299 00:18:05,159 --> 00:18:11,610 drug that's being used recreationally 300 00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:15,780 must also be very bad and dangerous. That 301 00:18:11,610 --> 00:18:19,320 sort of attitude hampers research. And we 302 00:18:15,780 --> 00:18:21,720 need scientists to drive this. It works, 303 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,760 it's safe. And it offers patients like 304 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,590 Claire for the first time in their life 305 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,840 an opportunity to break through from 306 00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:31,110 that trauma and not become a lifelong 307 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:33,179 chronic PTSD sufferer. So where were we 308 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:35,190 going with MDMA research? Well, we've had 309 00:18:33,179 --> 00:18:37,049 some studies, we've got more coming here. 310 00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:38,669 I'm doing a study in Cardiff with 311 00:18:37,049 --> 00:18:41,940 neuroimaging in which we're going to 312 00:18:38,669 --> 00:18:43,320 give patients with PTSD MDMA and placebo 313 00:18:41,940 --> 00:18:44,700 and we're going to look at 314 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,730 that relationship between the 315 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:49,159 amygdala and the prefrontal cortex. We're 316 00:18:47,730 --> 00:18:51,419 also doing a study here in Bristol 317 00:18:49,159 --> 00:18:54,840 giving patients with alcohol use 318 00:18:51,419 --> 00:18:58,230 disorder MDMA, because underlying the 319 00:18:54,840 --> 00:19:00,809 root of this addiction is trauma. So this 320 00:18:58,230 --> 00:19:02,460 is an exciting time. Now people say: "This 321 00:19:00,809 --> 00:19:04,320 is controversial!" And indeed, I was 322 00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:06,270 introduced as a controversial speaker. 323 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,880 I'm not controversial, I'm a very boring 324 00:19:06,270 --> 00:19:11,880 conservative doctor. I like data. 325 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:14,429 I like evidence-based data that helps my 326 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,860 patients. I'll tell you what's 327 00:19:14,429 --> 00:19:19,110 controversial! What's controversial is 328 00:19:16,860 --> 00:19:21,179 that more people have died returning 329 00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:22,590 from Afghanistan and Iraq because 330 00:19:21,179 --> 00:19:25,500 they've committed suicide because of 331 00:19:22,590 --> 00:19:27,510 their untreated PTSD then ever died in 332 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:32,760 the conflict out there. That is 333 00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:35,150 controversial and that is unethical! So 334 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:38,340 this is a important time for science. 335 00:19:35,150 --> 00:19:40,620 MDMA could be the antibiotic that 336 00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:42,419 psychiatry has been waiting for. We owe 337 00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:43,630 that population of patients who are 338 00:19:42,419 --> 00:19:46,690 being failed, 339 00:19:43,630 --> 00:19:50,220 we owe them this research! We owe this 340 00:19:50,220 --> 00:19:53,750 Claire! Thank you. (applause)