1 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:16,804 (applause) 2 00:00:16,804 --> 00:00:22,070 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine: MDMA. 3 00:00:22,070 --> 00:00:27,489 Now you're probably heard of this compound in the context of the recreational drug Ecstasy. 4 00:00:27,489 --> 00:00:31,768 But today I want to talk about MDMA not as a recreational drug, 5 00:00:31,768 --> 00:00:35,629 but as a potential new treatment in medicine. 6 00:00:35,629 --> 00:00:39,750 And then very important treatment for psychiatry because MDMA could offer us 7 00:00:39,750 --> 00:00:44,609 in psychiatry for the first time the opportunity to tackle trauma. 8 00:00:45,079 --> 00:00:49,289 And psychological trauma particularly that caused by child abuse and maltreatment 9 00:00:49,289 --> 00:00:57,139 is at the heart of all or most psychiatric disorders due to anxiety and addictions. 10 00:00:57,759 --> 00:01:02,069 Psychiatry is in need of this innovative approach, 11 00:01:00,900 --> 00:01:04,731 because current treatments are failing patients. 12 00:01:06,051 --> 00:01:09,860 Hi, my name's Ben Sessa. I'm a child and adolescent psychiatrist. 13 00:01:09,860 --> 00:01:12,349 Now that means I trained as a medical doctor, 14 00:01:12,349 --> 00:01:14,440 then specialized in mental health 15 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,400 and then specialized in child and adolescent mental health. 16 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,220 But for the last five years I've been working with adults with 17 00:01:20,220 --> 00:01:24,480 mental health disorders and addictions due to misuse of drugs. 18 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,509 And that developmental pathway of my own, 19 00:01:27,509 --> 00:01:30,299 from working with child abuse into adults 20 00:01:30,299 --> 00:01:34,069 with mental disorders and addictions has brought me to the door of MDMA. 21 00:01:34,829 --> 00:01:37,299 And I'm gonna propose today that MDMA could be 22 00:01:37,299 --> 00:01:41,699 important for the future of psychiatry as the discovery of antibiotics was 23 00:01:41,699 --> 00:01:44,499 for general medicine a hundred years ago. 24 00:01:44,999 --> 00:01:51,090 So when we think about child abuse we think about physical abuse, mental abuse, 25 00:01:51,090 --> 00:01:54,430 emotional abuse, sexual abuse and neglect. 26 00:01:55,370 --> 00:01:58,180 And we think about noxious environments. 27 00:01:58,180 --> 00:02:00,220 We think about parents with mental disorder. 28 00:02:00,220 --> 00:02:02,450 We think about parents who are addicted to drugs. 29 00:02:00,221 --> 00:02:06,709 And social issues like poverty and poor housing, poor education. 30 00:02:07,389 --> 00:02:10,257 Now I'm going to illustrate my talk today with a patient 31 00:02:10,257 --> 00:02:12,330 and I'm going to call her Claire. 32 00:02:12,330 --> 00:02:16,020 Now Claire was no single particular patient of mine. 33 00:02:16,060 --> 00:02:18,640 Rather she's an amalgamation of many different people 34 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:22,070 I've met in the last 18 years working as a medical doctor. 35 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:25,060 She's certainly not the worst. 36 00:02:25,820 --> 00:02:29,170 Now what was Claire's environment like when she was growing up? 37 00:02:29,170 --> 00:02:31,380 Well, her mother was depressed. 38 00:02:31,380 --> 00:02:34,890 Now unfortunately the family doctor didn't have time to accurately 39 00:02:34,890 --> 00:02:37,670 diagnose and treat depression, rather, 40 00:02:37,670 --> 00:02:40,620 Claire's mother was put onto one antidepressant after another, 41 00:02:40,620 --> 00:02:42,690 never really got therapy. 42 00:02:42,690 --> 00:02:45,140 Claire's mother also had a lot of aches and pains 43 00:02:45,140 --> 00:02:48,110 typical what we call psychosomatic symptoms in depression, 44 00:02:48,110 --> 00:02:52,850 and as a result the family doctor put her on to opiate based painkillers 45 00:02:52,850 --> 00:02:55,610 which she promptly became addicted to. 46 00:02:55,950 --> 00:02:59,100 Now Claire's father, now he was alcoholic and he was often 47 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:01,110 not around in and out of prison. 48 00:03:01,110 --> 00:03:03,160 Which is just as well because when he was there 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,390 he was physically abusive to Claire and her mother. 50 00:03:06,390 --> 00:03:08,130 Okay so what does this kind 51 00:03:08,130 --> 00:03:10,940 of chaotic, frightening environment do 52 00:03:10,940 --> 00:03:13,720 to the developing child brain? 53 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,710 I'm going to give you a brief neurophysiology lesson if I may. 54 00:03:16,710 --> 00:03:19,650 There's a part of the brain called the amygdala. 55 00:03:19,650 --> 00:03:23,030 Now the amygdala is a very ancient part of the mammalian brain 56 00:03:23,030 --> 00:03:26,580 and many other animals other than humans have an amygdala. 57 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:29,509 The amygdala lights up when stimulated by 58 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:32,600 fear in the environment, by a frightening stimulus. 59 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,849 It lights up and it says: fight-or-flight, get out! 60 00:03:36,849 --> 00:03:40,170 Now there's another part of the brain much more sophisticated part, 61 00:03:40,170 --> 00:03:44,110 called the prefrontal cortex and it's right here at the front above the eyes. 62 00:03:44,110 --> 00:03:47,360 Now the prefrontal cortex only humans have. 63 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:52,500 And it's in the prefrontal cortex where we use logic and reasoning to 64 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:55,130 rationalize the situation and we can use 65 00:03:55,130 --> 00:03:57,780 our prefrontal cortex to overcome that 66 00:03:57,780 --> 00:04:00,670 instinctive fear response from the amygdala. 67 00:04:00,670 --> 00:04:02,750 Now when Claire was growing up 68 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:04,710 she never knew from one moment to the next 69 00:04:04,710 --> 00:04:07,520 whether the adult coming into the room, were they going to give her a kiss 70 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,770 or a cuddle or do a jigsaw with her, 71 00:04:09,770 --> 00:04:11,960 or were they going to punch her or kick her 72 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,329 or burn her with their cigarette. 73 00:04:14,329 --> 00:04:16,709 Or were they going to rape her. 74 00:04:16,709 --> 00:04:20,409 Because throughout her childhood Claire was also subjected to sexual abuse. 75 00:04:21,630 --> 00:04:25,800 Now, there's a group of disorders called the anxiety disorders, 76 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,160 and one of the most important 77 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,839 is what we call post-traumatic stress disorder or PTSD. 78 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,841 Now PTSD, some of the core features: 79 00:04:34,841 --> 00:04:38,610 very low mood, anxiety, high levels of anxiety, 80 00:04:38,610 --> 00:04:40,829 what we call hyper vigilance: 81 00:04:40,829 --> 00:04:43,249 this edginess, this jumpiness. 82 00:04:43,249 --> 00:04:46,860 Exactly how Claire felt throughout her childhood and adolescence. 83 00:04:46,860 --> 00:04:49,650 Never knowing whether the next assailant or assault 84 00:04:49,650 --> 00:04:51,849 was around the corner. 85 00:04:51,849 --> 00:04:56,460 Another core feature of PTSD, what we call re-experiencing phenomena. 86 00:04:56,460 --> 00:05:01,520 Flashbacks, when the patient has sudden remembrances of painful traumatic memories. 87 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:02,940 They can just pop into the head 88 00:05:02,940 --> 00:05:07,320 at any time, triggered by some cue in the environment. 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,770 And when they have those experiences, those daytime flashbacks, 90 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:15,050 they relive the trauma in all the sensory modalities and this results in 91 00:05:15,050 --> 00:05:19,220 them freezing or dissociating to try and block out the pain. 92 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:23,410 Claire experienced all of this as she was growing up. 93 00:05:24,450 --> 00:05:29,450 High levels of self-harm and suicide are associated with PTSD. 94 00:05:29,450 --> 00:05:32,070 Claire would cut her thighs and her breasts. 95 00:05:32,670 --> 00:05:37,269 Pretty common form of cutting in children who've been sexually abused. 96 00:05:37,269 --> 00:05:40,010 She was being sexually abused by her mother's clients, 97 00:05:40,010 --> 00:05:43,599 because her mother had moved on from the addiction to painkillers and 98 00:05:43,599 --> 00:05:46,890 was using street heroin when Claire was a teenager. 99 00:05:46,890 --> 00:05:51,310 Because of the way the war on drugs has set up that reduces access to treatment 100 00:05:51,310 --> 00:05:54,789 for people with opiate dependence, she had to pay for her 101 00:05:54,789 --> 00:05:58,939 heroin using sex work and the clients would sexually abuse Claire. 102 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:05,169 It's very hard to treat PTSD and it has a high treatment resistance, 103 00:06:05,169 --> 00:06:09,380 50% of people do not respond to the traditional treatments. 104 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,320 How do we treat it? 105 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,979 We can treat it with medications. We can treat it with psychotherapies. 106 00:06:14,979 --> 00:06:18,900 And the medications we use: there's a broad range of drugs. 107 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:24,520 No single drug, and this is very important, no single drug cures PTSD. 108 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,210 Rather we treat the disorder symptomatically: 109 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:30,250 If the patient's depressed give them an antidepressant. 110 00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:33,800 If their mood fluctuates give them a mood stabilizer. 111 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,670 If they can't sleep give them a hypnotic. 112 00:06:36,670 --> 00:06:40,800 And if that edginess and that fear spills over into paranoia and psychosis, 113 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,880 give the patient an anti-psychotic drug. 114 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,240 And they have to take these drugs day in day out for weeks, months, decades. 115 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,710 They have to keep taking them because the drugs we use to treat trauma when it's 116 00:06:53,710 --> 00:06:59,320 due to this level of severity do not attack the root cause of trauma. 117 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,570 They paper over the cracks. 118 00:07:01,570 --> 00:07:07,700 A good analogy would be taking aspirin or ibuprofen when you have a fever. 119 00:07:07,700 --> 00:07:13,100 A fever is caused by an infection, by a microorganism. 120 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:17,680 Sure, you can take paracetamol or ibuprofen and this will lower the temperature 121 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,190 and make you feel a bit better but it doesn't attack the root cause. 122 00:07:22,190 --> 00:07:26,560 And that's what we do when we give these patients these daily SSRI drugs. 123 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,860 We paper over the cracks. 124 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:32,090 We maintain the symptoms at a manageable level. 125 00:07:32,090 --> 00:07:35,640 We also use psychotherapies to treat PTSD, and there's 126 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:41,790 again a broad range of these: DBT, CBT, EMDR, trauma focused psychotherapy, 127 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:45,010 CAT, APT... Now all of them have a pretty 128 00:07:45,010 --> 00:07:48,810 similar approach which actually is an old wives tales which is: 129 00:07:48,810 --> 00:07:51,210 a problem shared is a problem halved. 130 00:07:51,210 --> 00:07:56,320 "Let's talk about your trauma. Claire tell me about your rape." 131 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:03,850 Now that's fine for 50% of patients but for a significant half they just cannot do that. 132 00:08:03,850 --> 00:08:07,440 As soon as Claire is asked to talk about her rape she freezes, 133 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:12,100 she flees, she drops out of treatment. 134 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,410 By the time she was 15 Claire had been removed from the family home and she was 135 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:16,000 brought up in a succession of foster placements and children's houses and 136 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:23,919 hostels where the abuse continued. 137 00:08:21,479 --> 00:08:26,110 She was self-harm cutting and she started drinking and 138 00:08:23,919 --> 00:08:28,740 by the time she was 18, she was using heroin as well. 139 00:08:28,740 --> 00:08:32,530 Sometimes working in psychiatry can feel pretty desperate, can feel pretty hopeless. 140 00:08:32,530 --> 00:08:37,260 Sometimes it feels as if psychiatry is a palliative care profession. 141 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:42,159 And this is the truth because 142 00:08:40,089 --> 00:08:44,320 the treatments we use do not get to the 143 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:47,260 root cause of the problem, the trauma. 144 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,790 They paper over the cracks. And I think 145 00:08:47,260 --> 00:08:49,930 the pharma industry know this and they 146 00:08:48,790 --> 00:08:51,970 queue up and they 147 00:08:49,930 --> 00:08:53,560 provide us with product after product to 148 00:08:51,970 --> 00:08:55,720 give to our patients that doesn't quite 149 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:59,110 cure them but it gets them slightly 150 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:01,000 better to function. And they have to keep 151 00:08:59,110 --> 00:09:02,920 taking them. Indeed I would say that we 152 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,200 are in psychiatry today where we were in 153 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,970 general medicine 100 years ago. Now 100 154 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,920 years ago in general medicine, humanity 155 00:09:06,970 --> 00:09:11,140 was losing the battle to the infectious 156 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,240 diseases. Oh we were very good at 157 00:09:11,140 --> 00:09:15,850 classifying and diagnosing them. We knew 158 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,040 who got smallpox. We knew people died of 159 00:09:15,850 --> 00:09:20,020 post-operative surgery. We knew there 160 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,360 were microorganisms but we didn't have a 161 00:09:20,020 --> 00:09:24,070 treatment. And then at the beginning of 162 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:27,070 the 20th century we discovered the 163 00:09:24,070 --> 00:09:28,810 antibiotics. Not symptomatic treatment 164 00:09:27,070 --> 00:09:31,540 but treatment that goes to the core of 165 00:09:28,810 --> 00:09:34,870 the cause and we started getting on top 166 00:09:31,540 --> 00:09:37,690 of infectious disease. Now psychiatry 167 00:09:34,870 --> 00:09:39,670 today is in a similar place. We're very 168 00:09:37,690 --> 00:09:42,220 good at classifying and diagnosing. Our 169 00:09:39,670 --> 00:09:44,709 epidemiology is superb. We write these 170 00:09:42,220 --> 00:09:46,510 thick diagnostic manuals. We know who 171 00:09:44,709 --> 00:09:49,570 gets depression. We know who gets anxiety. 172 00:09:46,510 --> 00:09:52,600 We even know the cause: trauma, child 173 00:09:49,570 --> 00:09:55,230 abuse, maltreatment, poor social 174 00:09:52,600 --> 00:10:00,940 conditions. But our treatments are lousy. 175 00:09:55,230 --> 00:10:02,830 And I'm quite shocked the way the empathy 176 00:10:00,940 --> 00:10:05,650 switch and our understanding of these 177 00:10:02,830 --> 00:10:08,200 patients seems to be switched off. We 178 00:10:05,650 --> 00:10:09,580 have lots of gushing sentimentality for 179 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,190 the little five and six year old who's 180 00:10:09,580 --> 00:10:14,740 being abused and we throw money at our 181 00:10:12,190 --> 00:10:16,810 television sets on these campaigns to 182 00:10:14,740 --> 00:10:18,580 improve the lives of these poor little 183 00:10:16,810 --> 00:10:20,500 innocent victims. Well, let me tell you 184 00:10:18,580 --> 00:10:24,100 what happens to that little five or six 185 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:27,310 year old when they're 11 or 12. On goes 186 00:10:24,100 --> 00:10:28,540 the hood, start smoking weed. By the time 187 00:10:27,310 --> 00:10:29,980 they're 16 they're buying and selling 188 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:32,050 amphetamine and by the time they're 189 00:10:29,980 --> 00:10:33,640 Claire's age in their mid-20s, they're 190 00:10:32,050 --> 00:10:36,730 addicted to heroin and alcohol. And 191 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:39,670 suddenly we have lost our empathy. These 192 00:10:36,730 --> 00:10:41,560 people are public enemy number one. "It's 193 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:45,010 your fault Claire. You brought this upon 194 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:47,040 yourself. It's your lifestyle choice." And 195 00:10:45,010 --> 00:10:50,560 I'm quite shocked and having worked in 196 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:52,720 pediatrics and seen the developmental 197 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:55,600 trajectory that is so inevitable from 198 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,670 early trauma into adolescent and then 199 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,079 adult mental health and addictions, we 200 00:10:57,670 --> 00:11:00,570 have to hold on to that sense of 201 00:10:59,079 --> 00:11:01,830 compassion and evidence-based 202 00:11:00,570 --> 00:11:04,940 understanding 203 00:11:01,830 --> 00:11:07,500 about the developmental trajectory there. 204 00:11:04,940 --> 00:11:09,770 So it does sound desperate, but all is 205 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:09,770 not lost. 206 00:11:09,980 --> 00:11:16,590 MDMA. MDMA has some fascinating qualities. 207 00:11:13,620 --> 00:11:18,780 Indeed I would suggest that if you were 208 00:11:16,590 --> 00:11:22,410 to invent a hypothetical drug to treat 209 00:11:18,780 --> 00:11:24,090 trauma, it would be MDMA. The way it works 210 00:11:22,410 --> 00:11:25,770 in terms of its receptors and its 211 00:11:24,090 --> 00:11:28,260 subjective psychological effects ticks 212 00:11:25,770 --> 00:11:30,540 all the right boxes. At one level of 213 00:11:28,260 --> 00:11:32,940 receptors it causes a increased positive 214 00:11:30,540 --> 00:11:35,550 mood. Lowering of depression, lowering of 215 00:11:32,940 --> 00:11:38,280 anxiety. At another group of receptors it 216 00:11:35,550 --> 00:11:40,110 speeds the patient up, mild stimulation 217 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:43,920 which motivates them to engage in 218 00:11:40,110 --> 00:11:45,750 therapy. At another level it relaxes 219 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,120 the patient paradoxically at the same 220 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:49,800 time as the stimulation and this puts 221 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,230 the patient into the optimal arousal 222 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,300 zone where they can engage in 223 00:11:52,230 --> 00:11:56,550 psychotherapy. But perhaps the most 224 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:59,400 important thing about MDMA and the most 225 00:11:56,550 --> 00:12:02,460 important clinical tool is its ability 226 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:07,350 to provide a sense of empathy and 227 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:09,630 understanding and emotional security. It 228 00:12:07,350 --> 00:12:11,670 can hold the patient in a place where 229 00:12:09,630 --> 00:12:13,590 they can think about and access their 230 00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:17,370 trauma like they've never been able to 231 00:12:13,590 --> 00:12:19,770 do before. One of the ways in which MDMA 232 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:22,740 works is it increases the release of a 233 00:12:19,770 --> 00:12:23,940 hormone called oxytocin. Now oxytocin is 234 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:26,190 released from the brains of 235 00:12:23,940 --> 00:12:28,320 breastfeeding mothers. It's a hormone 236 00:12:26,190 --> 00:12:29,910 that engenders a sense of attachment and 237 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,690 bonding. And that's what's happening in 238 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:36,450 the patient who takes MDMA. And also it 239 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:38,580 acts directly on the amygdala to reduce 240 00:12:36,450 --> 00:12:41,070 that fear response whilst at the same 241 00:12:38,580 --> 00:12:43,080 time boosting the prefrontal response, 242 00:12:41,070 --> 00:12:46,590 allowing the patient to see things in a 243 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:50,640 new light. A positive light. So let's go 244 00:12:46,590 --> 00:12:52,320 back to Claire. She's 40 now. She's been 245 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,390 in and out of psychiatric hospitals, 246 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,040 having tried to take her own life and 247 00:12:54,390 --> 00:12:57,780 the inception. She's been on all the 248 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,760 antipsychotic and antidepressant mood 249 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:01,560 stabiliser drugs. She's tried all the 250 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,290 psychotherapies but she cannot engage 251 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:08,750 because she will not talk about her 252 00:13:04,290 --> 00:13:11,160 feelings. So she comes into a course of 253 00:13:08,750 --> 00:13:13,779 MDMA-assisted psychotherapy. 254 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:16,389 Wwhat does it look like? Well, 255 00:13:13,779 --> 00:13:18,699 it's weekly sessions, maybe eight, ten, 256 00:13:16,389 --> 00:13:22,569 twelve weeks long. The two therapists, 257 00:13:18,699 --> 00:13:24,759 male-female pair. You do not take MDMA 258 00:13:22,569 --> 00:13:26,589 everyday, you do not take it every 259 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:29,259 week. Over that course of 12 sessions 260 00:13:26,589 --> 00:13:31,329 you'll take the MDMA three times and the 261 00:13:29,259 --> 00:13:33,730 other sessions you talk about the 262 00:13:31,329 --> 00:13:37,089 material that's released on the MDMA 263 00:13:33,730 --> 00:13:40,839 session. So what does Claire actually 264 00:13:37,089 --> 00:13:43,029 feel when she takes this MDMA? What she 265 00:13:40,839 --> 00:13:45,839 feels is a sense of warmth and 266 00:13:43,029 --> 00:13:48,519 understanding and a sense of containment 267 00:13:45,839 --> 00:13:52,269 within that relationship she's having 268 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:54,550 with the therapist. MDMA is like it's 269 00:13:52,269 --> 00:13:57,730 like a lifejacket like a bulletproof 270 00:13:54,550 --> 00:14:01,829 vest to wear to go into battle with your 271 00:13:57,730 --> 00:14:05,470 trauma. This is not ecstasy! She's not 272 00:14:01,829 --> 00:14:07,389 enjoying some raver's euphoric ecstasy 273 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:09,790 delight. This is still trauma focused 274 00:14:07,389 --> 00:14:11,949 psychotherapy and it is still hard and 275 00:14:09,790 --> 00:14:15,339 distressing for her, but she can just 276 00:14:11,949 --> 00:14:18,009 about do it with MDMA on board. So when 277 00:14:15,339 --> 00:14:20,920 the therapist says: "Claire, tell me about 278 00:14:18,009 --> 00:14:22,629 your rape". Now in the past just the word 279 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,689 rape and she'd be out the door, but on 280 00:14:22,629 --> 00:14:28,899 MDMA she says: "yeah, I can talk about that! 281 00:14:25,689 --> 00:14:31,990 I can see him now coming into the room. I 282 00:14:28,899 --> 00:14:34,329 can smell the whiskey on his breath and 283 00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:37,089 I can feel the stubble on his face as 284 00:14:34,329 --> 00:14:39,040 he's raping me". And she talks about it 285 00:14:37,089 --> 00:14:42,069 and she explores it and she reflects 286 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,559 upon it and she can begin the process of 287 00:14:42,069 --> 00:14:47,649 healing. And from here she can start her 288 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:50,709 journey. She can attack the root cause of 289 00:14:47,649 --> 00:14:56,769 her problems. Not just maintain the 290 00:14:50,709 --> 00:14:58,959 symptoms at a level. So, does it work? Well 291 00:14:56,769 --> 00:15:00,970 we've known about MDMA for very long 292 00:14:58,959 --> 00:15:03,910 time and indeed we've used MDMA in 293 00:15:00,970 --> 00:15:06,189 underground therapy for 30 or 40 years. 294 00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:09,309 And there are thousands of positive 295 00:15:06,189 --> 00:15:11,679 anecdotal cases. I get five emails a week 296 00:15:09,309 --> 00:15:13,509 from all over the world: "Dr. Sessa, I've 297 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:16,209 had PTSD for years. I've tried everything 298 00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:16,929 and now I tried MDMA and I'm starting to 299 00:15:16,209 --> 00:15:19,689 make a breakthrough!" 300 00:15:16,929 --> 00:15:21,850 Now, anecdotal reports like that are 301 00:15:19,689 --> 00:15:23,230 interesting but they're not science so 302 00:15:21,850 --> 00:15:26,439 we've done the science. And some 303 00:15:23,230 --> 00:15:27,310 important studies in recent years. 304 00:15:26,439 --> 00:15:29,949 Big study in the States 305 00:15:27,310 --> 00:15:33,100 showed that a single course of MDMA 306 00:15:29,949 --> 00:15:35,439 therapy, 16-week course, patient takes 307 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:39,129 MDMA three times tested against a 308 00:15:35,439 --> 00:15:41,949 placebo. At the end of that course 85% of 309 00:15:39,129 --> 00:15:45,129 the people no longer met the diagnostic 310 00:15:41,949 --> 00:15:47,980 criteria for PTSD. Not just a relief of 311 00:15:45,129 --> 00:15:50,410 symptoms, they didn't have PTSD! 312 00:15:47,980 --> 00:15:54,339 Now that cohort were then followed up 313 00:15:50,410 --> 00:15:56,709 three years later, the same no PTSD. Many 314 00:15:50,438 --> 00:15:56,709 of those people had come off their daily 315 00:15:56,709 --> 00:16:03,790 medications. They were cured! We don't use 316 00:16:00,610 --> 00:16:07,930 the word "cure" in psychiatry. We've become 317 00:16:03,790 --> 00:16:09,579 learned helplessness position of-- This is 318 00:16:07,930 --> 00:16:11,559 the truth! If you're diagnosed with a 319 00:16:09,579 --> 00:16:13,300 severe mental disorder like anxiety or 320 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:15,220 depression in your 20s and the 321 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:17,740 developmental route of that disorder is 322 00:16:15,220 --> 00:16:19,569 severe child abuse, there's a pretty good 323 00:16:17,740 --> 00:16:21,639 chance, and I'm sorry to say this, there's 324 00:16:19,569 --> 00:16:23,589 a pretty good chance you will still be 325 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:26,589 going to psychiatric clinics in your 60s 326 00:16:23,589 --> 00:16:28,809 and 70s. Now that is not good enough and 327 00:16:26,589 --> 00:16:33,370 we're in this position because we're not 328 00:16:28,809 --> 00:16:36,819 tackling trauma. So, it works but is it 329 00:16:33,370 --> 00:16:39,610 safe? Well, when we talk about safety of 330 00:16:36,819 --> 00:16:42,639 clinical MDMA, what we must not do is 331 00:16:39,610 --> 00:16:45,790 look at the risks of recreational 332 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:46,720 ecstasy. I don't even know what ecstasy 333 00:16:45,790 --> 00:16:48,790 is anymore! 334 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,550 Ecstasy is over here, what is ecstasy? 335 00:16:48,790 --> 00:16:54,100 Some dodgy pill bought in some dodgy 336 00:16:51,550 --> 00:16:56,889 club of some dodgy geezer, that may or 337 00:16:54,100 --> 00:17:00,480 may not contain MDMA plus or minus 338 00:16:56,889 --> 00:17:03,040 whatever far more toxic substance. And 339 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:05,109 indeed when you hear about the very 340 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:10,359 high-profile deaths of people who take 341 00:17:05,108 --> 00:17:12,219 ecstasy, it invariably is not MDMA. So, 342 00:17:10,358 --> 00:17:15,219 let's not look at ecstasy as a measure 343 00:17:12,220 --> 00:17:18,398 of MDMA. Let's look at clinical MDMA. Now, 344 00:17:15,220 --> 00:17:20,709 when you use clinical MDMA, you take 345 00:17:18,397 --> 00:17:23,279 it under medical supervision. It is pure. 346 00:17:20,709 --> 00:17:30,289 The MDMA that I'm using in my studies is 347 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:32,850 99.98% pure! Very expensive! (laughter) 348 00:17:30,289 --> 00:17:34,470 We do it under medical supervision with 349 00:17:32,850 --> 00:17:37,950 a doctor and a nurse and a psychologist. 350 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:40,740 And under those conditions the risks are 351 00:17:37,950 --> 00:17:42,990 reduced to a absolute minimum. Indeed 352 00:17:40,740 --> 00:17:45,690 after 40 years of MDMA research, there 353 00:17:42,990 --> 00:17:48,630 has not been a single serious adverse 354 00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:53,580 drug reaction, not one! And certainly no 355 00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:55,500 deaths. So, we need to do this research 356 00:17:53,580 --> 00:17:59,880 and we need to do this research in an 357 00:17:55,500 --> 00:18:02,970 evidence-based, compassionate way. Looking 358 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:05,159 at the data. We need to ignore the 359 00:18:02,970 --> 00:18:06,630 socio-political agenda that says any 360 00:18:05,159 --> 00:18:11,610 drug that's being used recreationally 361 00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:15,780 must also be very bad and dangerous. That 362 00:18:11,610 --> 00:18:19,320 sort of attitude hampers research. And we 363 00:18:15,780 --> 00:18:21,720 need scientists to drive this. It works, 364 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,760 it's safe. And it offers patients like 365 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,590 Claire for the first time in their life 366 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,840 an opportunity to break through from 367 00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:31,110 that trauma and not become a lifelong 368 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:33,179 chronic PTSD sufferer. So where were we 369 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:35,190 going with MDMA research? Well, we've had 370 00:18:33,179 --> 00:18:37,049 some studies, we've got more coming here. 371 00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:38,669 I'm doing a study in Cardiff with 372 00:18:37,049 --> 00:18:41,940 neuroimaging in which we're going to 373 00:18:38,669 --> 00:18:43,320 give patients with PTSD MDMA and placebo 374 00:18:41,940 --> 00:18:44,700 and we're going to look at 375 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,730 that relationship between the 376 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:49,159 amygdala and the prefrontal cortex. We're 377 00:18:47,730 --> 00:18:51,419 also doing a study here in Bristol 378 00:18:49,159 --> 00:18:54,840 giving patients with alcohol use 379 00:18:51,419 --> 00:18:58,230 disorder MDMA, because underlying the 380 00:18:54,840 --> 00:19:00,809 root of this addiction is trauma. So this 381 00:18:58,230 --> 00:19:02,460 is an exciting time. Now people say: "This 382 00:19:00,809 --> 00:19:04,320 is controversial!" And indeed, I was 383 00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:06,270 introduced as a controversial speaker. 384 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,880 I'm not controversial, I'm a very boring 385 00:19:06,270 --> 00:19:11,880 conservative doctor. I like data. 386 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:14,429 I like evidence-based data that helps my 387 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,860 patients. I'll tell you what's 388 00:19:14,429 --> 00:19:19,110 controversial! What's controversial is 389 00:19:16,860 --> 00:19:21,179 that more people have died returning 390 00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:22,590 from Afghanistan and Iraq because 391 00:19:21,179 --> 00:19:25,500 they've committed suicide because of 392 00:19:22,590 --> 00:19:27,510 their untreated PTSD then ever died in 393 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:32,760 the conflict out there. That is 394 00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:35,150 controversial and that is unethical! So 395 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:38,340 this is a important time for science. 396 00:19:35,150 --> 00:19:40,620 MDMA could be the antibiotic that 397 00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:42,419 psychiatry has been waiting for. We owe 398 00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:43,630 that population of patients who are 399 00:19:42,419 --> 00:19:46,690 being failed, 400 00:19:43,630 --> 00:19:50,220 we owe them this research! We owe this 401 00:19:50,220 --> 00:19:53,750 Claire! Thank you. (applause)