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[Mehran] Welcome, Katie,
the floor is yours.

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[Katie] Thank you.

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That was great.

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[Applause]

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Hi, everyone.

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Thank you so much
for coming tonight.

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The organisers were
really adamant that tonight

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not just be depressing,
but be inspiring

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and give people hope.

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Oh, I'm glad you're
already laughing, okay.

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I know it's funny right,

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to think of something on
this topic being inspiring.

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In that vein, I want to start off
tonight with actually a game.

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This game is called:
Who said it,

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Donald Trump
or Noam Chomsky?

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[Audience laughs]

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Let's see how everyone does,
ready?

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Who said the following,
ready?

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In some cases, I'm not
going to quote verbatim

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because if I 
quote verbatim,

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it's too obvious from
the style of talking.

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It will either be a quote
or a summary of what they said, ok?

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So who said:

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The U.S. won't sanction Saudi Arabia
over the killing of Jamal Khashoggi

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because that would
jeopardise billions

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in arms sales to Saudi Arabia?

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Raise your hand if
you think it's Trump.

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Okay, Chomsky?

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All right, it was Trump.

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[Audience laughs]

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Not only was it Trump, but
he was saying it about himself.

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He was explaining why he
wouldn't sanction Khashoggi.

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Okay, let's see what's next.

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We left troops behind
in Syria for the oil.

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Okay, who says Trump?

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Okay, Chomsky?

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Trump, ok, good, good one,
all right.

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Who said in response to
claims of Russian interference

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in US presidential elections,
who said in response to that:

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'The US has interfered in the
elections of many other nations.'

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Chomsky - Trump

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Chomsky

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[Audience laughs]

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Ok, who said:

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'The Iraq war sunk America's prestige?'

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Chomsky?

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Trump?

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Chomsky.

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[Audience laughs]

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Who said: 'There are a lot of killers,

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what do you think,
our country's so innocent?'

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Trump - Chomsky?

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That was Trump.

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Who responded to the claim that:

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'The only one who wants the 
war to continue with Hamas,

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who responded to
that claim saying:

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'Actually, Israel is the one who
wants the war to continue.'

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Trump, ok.

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Chomsky?

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Trump.

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The reason that we
can even play this game

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of who said it:
Donald Trump or Chomsky

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is because they do have
something in common.

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They state inconvenient truths.

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There are a few differences
obviously.

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Starting with the fact that
when he's not stating

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inconvenient truths,

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Donald Trump is lying pathologically
and rather creatively and flagrantly.

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Also they have a totally
different value system, right?

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Let's go back to one of
the earlier quotes I did

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about how Israel wants
the war to go on.

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That was actually taken during 
the one and only debate of 2024

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between Trump and Biden.

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Biden said that the only one who
wants the war to continue is Hamas

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and Trump said:
Actually Israel is the one.

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But he finished that sentence.

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The full sentence was: 
'Actually Israel is the one

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and you should let them
finish the job,'

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So there he has it,

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he's critical of Israel
in a weird way

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or maybe he's praising Israel
according to his moral values.

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Obviously, Chomsky would have shared
that same observation about Israel

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wanting the war to go on
but would use that

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to then argue why
Israel should not

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be funded by the
United States, right?

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He also, I should bring up
one other thing

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that Trump said that really
resonated during the debate,

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which was at the end,
Joe Biden said something

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and Trump said: 'I really
don't know what he said.

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I don't think he knows either.'

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[Audience laughs]

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At that moment,
we were all Trumps.

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Ok, back to the
Trump-Chomsky game,

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I don't bring it up to taint
Chomsky as Trumpian

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it's not to praise
Trump as Chomskyian

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it's not to make some lazy horseshoe
theory based observation about

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the Left and Right
meet each other.

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And it's not to argue that
Trump isn't an imperialist

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or that Chomsky is.

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And also, I'm not 
an excelerationist,

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I'm not arguing that it's a good
thing that Trump was elected,

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I don't believe that it won't
get better until it gets worse.

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I'm saying that a silver lining
of Trump's presidency

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is that he is laying bare the
brutality of American imperialism,

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a brutality the Democrats
tried to conceal.

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So we should take
advantage of that.

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Now, as disgusting as it is

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[Applause]

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as disgusting as it is

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for Trump to announce plans
to open a Riviera on the Gaza Strip,

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isn't it nice to hear someone
admit that our foreign policy

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when I say our,
I'm talking as an American,

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our foreign policy isn't
driven by a commitment

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to fairness, justice, and
the rules-based order?

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Isn't it helpful to know
that in fact,

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there is no rules based order?

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Isn't it helpful to not pretend
that the US funds

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and enables Israel because
it's a democracy?

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Another example is Ukraine.

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People are scandalised that
Trump spoke to Zelensky

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like a petulant, ungrateful,
uncooperative

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and self sabotaging child,
which he did.

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But isn't that in some ways
preferable to what Biden did?

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Biden may have said nice
things about Zelensky

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but what did he actually do?

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He dangled NATO membership
in front of him,

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while knowing full well,
that was never a possibility.

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He claimed to care about Ukrainian
sovereignty and self determination

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while sending Boris Johnson to tell
Zelensky not to negotiate with Putin

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one month into the war.

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Had they done that, the war
would be over by now

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thousands of people would be alive

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and Ukraine would have more land
than they will ever have now.

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It's also worth noting that 52% of
Ukrainians want a negotiated settlement.

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When people say listen to Ukrainians,

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you should find out what
Ukrainians are talking about.

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Trump speaks crudely and cruelly
of natural minerals in Ukraine

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but if the US is going 
to exploit Ukraine,

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isn't it better that Americans know 
what the war is really about?

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And isn't it better for Ukrainians to
know what the US is really prioritising?

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Another thing I want to thank Trump for
is bringing Elon Musk into the forefront.

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Because like Trump,
he's exposing things, right?

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First of all, this guy
literally comes out with

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a chainsaw to demonstrate how he 
wants to cut the welfare state.

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Which again, that would
be like a parody,

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that's something the Left would
say about him, to critisise him.

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But he actually does it.

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[Audience laughs]

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That's how out of touch he is.

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Also it was great when
he gave the Nazi salute

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not because I'm a fan
of the Nazi salute,

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but because it was so great at
exposing the absolute bankrupt,

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hypocrisy and rank 
hypocrisy of the ADL,

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the Anti Defamation League

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which claims to combat anti-Semitism
but really creates anti-Semitism

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by suggesting that...

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[Applause]

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-they're not clapping for anti-Semitism
they're clapping for calling it out-

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by suggesting that being Jewish
and being Zionist are the same thing.

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I mean, maybe it's like a bad sign

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when you're talking points
are shared by the KKK.

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Think about the people
who use the terms

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'Zionist' and 'Jewish'
interchangeably, right?

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It's like David Duke types,
real neo-Nazis

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and of course,
the ADL and AIPAC and Israel.

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Politics makes strange bedfellows.

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When Elon Musk
gave that salute,

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what was so great about it was
that the ADL had to defend him.

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The ADL said that it wasn't
actually that problematic,

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people were on edge, people
need to calm down,

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people were being too sensitive,
but it was totally kosher.

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[Laughter]

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My word, not theirs at
the end, but basically

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I paraphrased.

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So that was useful because
it laid bare what despicable

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people the ADL are.

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Now, I also liked it because
it brought out Steve Bannon

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and he did another salute,
but the reason I like Steve Bannon

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is because he makes
me feel really special

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because he said that
the number one enemy

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are Jews who are
critical of Israel,

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American Jews who
are critical of Israel.

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So, I was kind of blushing.

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[Laughter]

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[Applause]

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How much time,
when did I start?

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I forgot to check the starting time
sorry, alright.

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The other good thing
about this is that

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people are seeing
thru the Dems.

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They are waking up to the fact

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that the Democrats did not
fight against Trump.

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They don't really want
to fight against Trump

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the way he needs
to be fought against.

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They are feckless,

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they care more about defeating
someone like Bernie Sanders

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than defeating someone
like Donald Trump.

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[Applause]

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People are waking up to that.

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The numbers are that Democratic
voters , have very low

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opinions right now of 
Democrats in Congress.

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Now, to be fair, I have to
mention these people.

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There are some people
who are truly awful,

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who continue to blame 3rd party
voters for giving us Trump,

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taunt Palestinian Americans
for staying home or

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voting third party.

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They refer to them
as 'Dearborn voters'.

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They tell us that people are

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self-indulgent practicers
of purity politics

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who needed to do whatever it
took to stop Trump.

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Well, if people need to do whatever
was needed to defeat Trump.

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shouldn't that have
included Kamala Harris?

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Because for a year and a
half a significant and vocal

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portion of the Democratic
Party electorate

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and their Progressive base
organised, begged and demonstrated

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for the party to change it's policy

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of blanket diplomatic
support for Israel

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and curtail extraordinary lengths
to arm an active genocide in Gaza.

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The polls showed this would
have helped her numbers.

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Was it not self-indulgent
and Trump-enabling of her to

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ignore the base and instead
run around with Liz Cheney

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and brag about getting
an endorsement from

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war criminal Dick Cheney?

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And by the way, a YouGov
IMEU poll showed that 29%

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of voters nationally
who voted for Biden in 2020,

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and cast their ballot for someone
besides Kamala Harris in 2024

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did that because ending
Israel's violence in Gaza

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was the top issue
effecting their vote choice.

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So again, Kamala Harris should
have been listening to her base.

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Remember the person running
is supposed to earn votes, right?

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It's not the other way around.

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Another thing that's
positive is that people are

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seeing through the media.

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So more than 75,000
subscribers have cancelled

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their Washington Post
subscription since Jeff Bezos

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announced he would
only promote free market

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and libertarian ideals.

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Another example,
thank you for saying the

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quiet part out loud, Jeff.

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Again, that's like a critique
that you wouldn't make

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of him, Yanis, but he's
saying it about himself.

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Also, MSNBC viewership
is really low.

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And I do want to say how disgusting
Western media has been on Gaza.

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I actually learned this
kind of firsthand.

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My experience was not
that bad and it certainly

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pales in comparison to
Melanie's which you'll

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hear about shortly.

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But I made a video at an
outlet called 'The Hill'.

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I wrote a monologue saying
that Israel is an apartheid state

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and for that, I got fired
and even though there was

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really nothing you can say
because the video pointed

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out how many people including
the Israeli Human Rights

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Organization, Be'tselem,
and including former

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Israeli Prime Ministers were
calling it an apartheid state.

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But, people are seeing
through the media

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because the media is just
an arm of the state,

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not only the United States,
but of Israel.

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One of the most I think,
disgusting examples of this

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was the way that
rape was reported on.

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The Western media
was totally complicit

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in this narrative of
a mass rape,

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coordinated mass rape,

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systemic mass rape committed
by Hamas, they claimed.

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All of the witnesses walked it back,

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all of the witnesses
were debunked.

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No one was saying,
this wasn't an issue of

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believe women because
no one was saying

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it happened to them.

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Now, the same media who
covered that story and

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never retracted it decided
to ignore the fact that

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it was documented that
Palestinians were raped.

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I mean, this was covered
by Israeli media and

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somehow Western media
never covered it.

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This isn't like, you don't
even have to go to Haaretz.

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This was Centrist
and Right-wing media

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that covered this.

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This was sexual assault
captured on video.

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And this is something
that you actually had a

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member of the Knesset.

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debating whether or
not to arrest people

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who had raped
Palestinian prisoners.

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That's what the debate was about.

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There were protests when they
started to arrest soldiers,

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but the protests weren't
about the rapes,

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the protests were
about arresting them.

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And you actually had a member
of the Knesset being asked

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rhetorically: So is it
legitimate to insert sticks

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into people's rectums?

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And a member of the Knesset
said, yes, it's legitimate.

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Why wasn't that story
all over Western media?

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Why don't the people
who claimed to care

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about rape and sexual violence
talking about that?

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So you have to remember this,

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that the media is
totally untrustworthy

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when it comes to
this issue, especially

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and they don't care
about Palestinian lives.

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[Applause]

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But, luckily it's becoming
harder and harder to paint

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the pro-Palestine movement
as anti-Semitic.

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It's becoming harder and harder

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to conflate anti-Semetism 
with anti-Zionism.

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And again, I'd like to
remind people that

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to suggest that conflation
is anti-Semitic,

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it's the old dual loyalty trope

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which is that all Jews are monoliths

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and we're all loyal to Israel.

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I think it's undermined by the
fact that you have people

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like so many Jews protesting
the war in Gaza

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but it's also undermined
when you see

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the state which claims to
care about Jewish safety,

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do things like arrest Jewish
students who are protesting.

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That's something that unites
the whole Western world, right?

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You see that happening in the US,

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You see that happening

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in Germany, with Yanis but also,
where you had Udi Raz

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who was wearing a Yamaka, thrown
down the stairs by German police.

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You see that when you have
a literal holocaust survivor

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like Stephen Kapos who's being
questioned by the police

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for protesting for Palestinian rights.

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You see that in London when you
have someone like Haim Bresheeth

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who is the son of holocaust
survivors an Israeli,

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arrested for saying that Israel is not
going to be able to defeat Hamas.

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All of these things are being laid bare.

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I want to just end off
by quoting someone

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because the real inspiration
comes from so many different

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struggles that are 
so interconnected.

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But, I know a lot of
people are like:

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what can give us hope, or
how do we keep going

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and I feel like hope
actually is a discipline

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and a choice and we owe it
to the world to keep it.

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I understand loosing hope but,
we have to keep reinventing it.

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People here probably
know who Refaat Alareer is.

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He was a poet and professor
in Gaza.

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[Applause]

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He wrote a beautiful poem
called: 'If I Must Die'.

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He was murdered by Israel.

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He was targeted.

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It wasn't just a
random war crime.

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It was a targeted one.

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His sister's apartment building
was struck

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but it was just the sister's apartment,
they knew he was there.

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They didn't take out
the whole building,

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they just took that one out
because they wanted to kill him.

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They wanted to kill him
because this poet spoke out

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against Israel's genocide.

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He and I were corresponding a couple
of months before he was killed.

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I asked him: What can we do,
what can we do in the West?

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And he said: Thank you for offering, more 
pressure on the media, more coverage,

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more Palestinian voices, more protests, 
hopefully Israel is curbed asap.

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And so, that is the message
that I wanted to leave you with.

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More pressure on the media,
more coverage, more Palestinian voices,

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more protests and hopefully
Israel is curbed asap.

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No matter what happens, we
have to keep doing those things.

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Thank you.

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[Applause]