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Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.92,0:00:16.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JESSICA STOCKHOLDER: Can we mix \Nsome abaca with this yellow?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.04,0:00:25.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I was invited to make \Nsome paper here at Dieu Donne,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.12,0:00:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something I’ve never done before.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.56,0:00:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The experience of it is deceptively simple.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.92,0:00:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn’t feel highly technological.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.88,0:00:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s also something that would be very hard to do
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.12,0:00:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without the help of the people in the paper mill.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.68,0:00:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul has a lot of experience with paper
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.92,0:01:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with all the techniques and \Nthe history of paper-making.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.13,0:01:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The whole paper-making \Nstudio is filled with water.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.13,0:01:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it’s a very clean and fresh feeling.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.23,0:01:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s a possibility nevertheless to make things
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.56,0:01:17.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are bright and sharp and crisp,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.68,0:01:20.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know really plastic colored.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.92,0:01:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know part of me would like to make stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.80,0:01:30.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that’s minimal and very well organized
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.100,0:01:33.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and neat and clean and quite comprehensible.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.12,0:01:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love the chaos, which is why I do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.96,0:01:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t make minimal controlled things,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.76,0:01:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I always feel kind of embattled
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.16,0:01:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it takes me a while to really know
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.56,0:01:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which ones I like best after I’m finished.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.05,0:01:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cause I think there are lots \Nof different kinds of thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.29,0:01:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, you know your hands learn to do things
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.16,0:01:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you could spend a whole day trying
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.68,0:01:59.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to write about and articulate.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.76,0:02:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What’s intuition?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.72,0:02:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know it’s a kind of \Nthinking, it’s not stupidity.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.84,0:02:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, and uh, so, so I think there’s a discomfort\Nassociated with trying to um,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.04,0:02:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put all those different ways \Nthe brain works together.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.40,0:02:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know so I kind of like to \Navail myself of that discomfort.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.60,0:02:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I, Like being in the studio alone.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.16,0:02:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t like (LAUGHS),
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.68,0:02:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t, I don’t hire people \Nto help me in the studio.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.24,0:02:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know when I do the installation
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.52,0:02:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to work with people to get,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.04,0:02:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get things done on time
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.08,0:02:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to do things that I couldn’t do by myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.04,0:03:00.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in here I like to be alone.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.26,0:03:03.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I, I mean part of the parameters I work within are
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.20,0:03:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I can carry the stuff up here by myself
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.60,0:03:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do everything by myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.36,0:03:12.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And um, and, and it’s odd to be in the studio
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.08,0:03:15.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not know what your going to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.96,0:03:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know it’s, I think \Nbeing an artist and choosing
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.20,0:03:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to put yourself in a circumstance where
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.88,0:03:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don’t know just how \Nthings are going to work out
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.44,0:03:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what you’re going to do is uh,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.16,0:03:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is very exciting and rich and also difficult.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.32,0:03:39.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These pieces are more like pieces of furniture.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.48,0:03:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know they’re not furniture
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.80,0:03:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they’re of the scale of furniture in the room.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.20,0:03:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They address the architecture as furniture does.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.04,0:03:53.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And furniture is also built for the body.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.56,0:03:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these are like that too,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.76,0:04:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,though they don’t serve any \Nparticular function most of the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.48,0:04:11.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I love plastic.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.06,0:04:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also just love color and they’re \Na really great vehicle for color.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.28,0:04:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they embody color.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.80,0:04:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They’re colorful all the way through.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.76,0:04:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Plastic is cheap and easy to buy.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.76,0:04:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my work participates in \Nthat really quick and easy
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.96,0:04:34.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and inexpensive material \Nthat’s part of our culture.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.68,0:04:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that way my work engages the means \Nof production that we live with.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.08,0:05:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the outset, my work was about \Nas nonverbal as you could get.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.96,0:05:08.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I had two very verbal parents,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.12,0:05:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I needed to find a place to kind of ascertain
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.92,0:05:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the nature of my experience \Nthat wouldn’t be argued with.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.52,0:05:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To work with the physical \Nworld was a place to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.96,0:05:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now having grown up,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.12,0:05:41.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find it interesting to put \Nwords parallel to this work.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.48,0:05:48.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I make these pieces I don’t \Nhave a, a literary story in my mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.88,0:05:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I’m thinking about what things \Nare going to look like visually.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.92,0:06:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then afterwards can put \Nwords to what I’m doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.60,0:06:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Drawings are a way of \Nplanning what I’m going to do,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.24,0:06:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a way of putting myself in the space
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.88,0:06:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thinking about being in the space
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.04,0:06:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and mapping out what’s of \Ninterest in the space for myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.20,0:06:35.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe they’re like recipes for action.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.32,0:06:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the studio I don’t have a plan,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.96,0:06:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but for the installation work I need to
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.04,0:06:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have enough things planned\Nso that I can make use of the time I have.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.08,0:06:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I feel sort of prepared \Nto go and do the installation.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.84,0:06:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, but it’s always a kind \Nof uncomfortable feeling
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.24,0:07:04.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I can’t do any more work \Nuntil I get there to start work.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.40,0:07:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean this pile of light bulbs here,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.60,0:07:23.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’ve done that before and\Nhave some sense of what that would be like.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.76,0:07:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s a nice color.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.88,0:07:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lower, lower.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.64,0:07:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the way down.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.52,0:07:39.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right against here.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.48,0:07:42.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There we go.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.96,0:07:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Being responsive to what’s there.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.00,0:07:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or what materials we actually were able to find.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.84,0:07:57.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The sizes of everything, \Nwhat the colors look like.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.08,0:08:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean it’s like setting myself down
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.04,0:08:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a bunch of different \Ncolor paints and starting work.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.80,0:08:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many things could happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.20,0:08:12.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Went shopping last night to find something blue.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.36,0:08:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I didn’t want another cooler,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.08,0:08:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there’s a lot of colored plastic \Ngeometric shapes um, in coolers,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.52,0:08:21.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I’m using all those coolers out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.76,0:08:24.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanted something blue and plastic,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.16,0:08:27.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that had this color,\Nthat wasn’t very specific.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.56,0:08:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know that was like uh, you didn’t \Nright away think, oh it’s a....
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.48,0:08:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this seemed kind of perfect.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.68,0:08:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I was lucky.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.08,0:08:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Refrigerators and freezers, I’ve always enjoyed
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.80,0:08:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are the place of food in a house.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.40,0:08:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And food and cooking has to do with\Nloving and giving in a family.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.88,0:08:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, but also freezers and \Nrefrigerators are cold and frozen
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.00,0:09:03.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that has to do if you \Nhave an emotional mirror,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.52,0:09:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has to do with withholding and not loving.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.44,0:09:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for me they kind of embody that duality
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.44,0:09:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is probably also in the gallery.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.00,0:09:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The gallery and our institutions of art are both
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.76,0:09:20.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,full of possibility and extraordinary feeling.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.56,0:09:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they’re also, they also \Nput art in a place of remove.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.12,0:09:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it’s...it has less power in some \Nways than if it weren’t removed.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.68,0:09:34.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In my work I’m interested in systems.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.44,0:09:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And how things are geometric \Nor systematically organized.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.47,0:09:53.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How a thinking process can \Nmeander in unpredictable ways,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.72,0:09:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in contrast to a system that’s been planned
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.36,0:09:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that’s shared amongst people.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.72,0:10:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wrote a little text about this piece,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.76,0:10:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s some kind of poetic text.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.44,0:10:23.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Referred to the “Yellow Brick \NRoad” and the Wizard of Oz.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.04,0:10:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think all of those kinds of fantasy fictions\Nhave resonance with what I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.80,0:10:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My work is about posing this\Npossibility for some other experience,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.68,0:10:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world than the one that,\Nthat we experience as mundane.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.40,0:10:57.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even while this is made of mundane things.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.64,0:11:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My work’s really about pleasure.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.91,0:11:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s not always pleasurable to make it,\Nsometimes it’s excruciating and it’s hard.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.44,0:11:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that pleasure matters a great deal.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.68,0:11:38.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I, I think what kids do that’s play\Nis a kind of learning and thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.48,0:11:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And uh, it’s, it’s a kind of learning\Nand thinking that’s um,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.56,0:11:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn’t have a predetermined end.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.80,0:11:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think that I’m involved in that.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.48,0:12:04.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s an ancient technique.