1 00:00:13,857 --> 00:00:17,120 HIROSHI SUGIMOTO: This is my studio in New York, 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:22,327 and I am on the 11th floor facing north sky. 3 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,440 This is a very traditional 19th-century painters 4 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,857 studio in Paris. 5 00:00:32,204 --> 00:00:35,440 And I... I'm not using any artificial light here. 6 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,550 And all I do is this, you know, shading up and down 7 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,318 and then I can control the light. 8 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,360 To me, this system, 9 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,658 this method, still makes the best quality picture. 10 00:00:52,658 --> 00:00:57,760 Uh our, uh... we think we keep making inventions 11 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,840 and makes tools as sophisticated as possible, 12 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,320 but to me contemporary people tend to... 13 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:08,000 tend to rely onto the computer method 14 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,200 and all the machines. 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,960 That's not good enough. 16 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:15,067 You need something more than that. 17 00:01:15,067 --> 00:01:18,240 So this system, it's very hard to control, 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,360 but it still makes the best picture. 19 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,120 So I'm against a kind of evolution, you know, 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:24,904 this is... 21 00:01:24,904 --> 00:01:26,348 [ laughing ] 22 00:01:26,348 --> 00:01:29,189 I am sticking to the traditional method. 23 00:01:30,690 --> 00:01:33,465 [ machine beeping ] 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,809 I am very craft-oriented person. 25 00:01:37,984 --> 00:01:39,480 But at the same time, 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,103 I want to make something artistic. 27 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,442 The fossils works almost the same as photography. 28 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,608 To me, photography functions as a fossilization of the time. 29 00:01:58,608 --> 00:02:00,950 [ liquid dripping ] 30 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,249 How my architectural series started, 31 00:02:12,364 --> 00:02:17,161 I visited so many early 20th-century architecture. 32 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,840 They are all famous. 33 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,720 They look so beautiful in the book, 34 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,751 but if you actually go there, 35 00:02:24,751 --> 00:02:27,943 it's 60, 70, 80 years old. 36 00:02:28,444 --> 00:02:31,837 They are, most of them, in very bad conditions. 37 00:02:33,069 --> 00:02:38,662 To make them out-of-focus picture, all the wrinkles disappeared. 38 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,200 Stillness, well, that's something 39 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,720 I'm not intentionally, you know, promoting it, 40 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,080 but most of the people sees it 41 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:01,107 and it's very quiet and serene. 42 00:03:03,206 --> 00:03:04,960 Uh seascapes case, 43 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,960 my subject matter is water and air. 44 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,992 That's the kind of... 45 00:03:09,992 --> 00:03:13,393 most kind of abstract theme. 46 00:03:18,380 --> 00:03:21,765 I find a spot that I want to stay, 47 00:03:22,208 --> 00:03:23,538 and I stay there 48 00:03:23,538 --> 00:03:25,677 maybe sometimes one week, 49 00:03:25,677 --> 00:03:28,107 sometimes a couple weeks, two, three weeks. 50 00:03:29,069 --> 00:03:35,337 And then I just stay there, and just feel like I'm a part of this, you know, nature and landscape. 51 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,080 So far, I visited so many different seas, 52 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,280 but I never be on the boat. 53 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,241 I have to be on the ground. 54 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,080 I start feeling this is the creation of the universe 55 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,082 and I'm witnessing it. 56 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,230 Well, this is my miniature seascapes, Day and Night. 57 00:04:08,384 --> 00:04:12,400 And I wind this up and it shakes. 58 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:17,160 So this is my, you know, famous Japanese earthquake. 59 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,507 Shall I do it here? 60 00:04:23,224 --> 00:04:23,790 Whoa. 61 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,340 Well, this is one of my fossil collection, 62 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,701 450 million years old. 63 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,880 And in this cabinet... 64 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,320 I call this cabinet as my Shinto shrine, 65 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,160 portable Shinto shrine. 66 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,000 I have this mirror here 67 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,200 and, well, the Japanese Shinto shrine, 68 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,040 they always keep the mirror inside, 69 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,807 that's probably the reflection of the old memory, ancestors. 70 00:05:04,807 --> 00:05:07,237 And, you know, this is... 71 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,880 I'm worshiping our ancestors. 72 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,360 This is the earliest stage of the life formation in the world. 73 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,226 So this is what I have to pay respect. 74 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,400 Two years ago, I was commissioned to build 75 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,369 a Shinto shrine in Japan. 76 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,680 You know, it's a religious institution 77 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,440 and it's still active, 78 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,804 but the building itself, it's so old and deteriorated so 79 00:05:33,247 --> 00:05:37,603 I was commissioned to rebuild this Shinto shrine. 80 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,840 So this is exactly 30 years 81 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:50,600 since I first came to see this Large Glass, 82 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,820 to see this Duchamp piece. 83 00:05:54,649 --> 00:05:56,600 Actually that was the year 84 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:01,201 I came to New York from California, after spending 85 00:06:01,605 --> 00:06:04,757 three years in California as an art student. 86 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,660 And... 87 00:06:07,488 --> 00:06:09,440 that was the first things I did, 88 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,480 make a short trip from New York to Philadelphia 89 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,477 to see this Duchamp piece. 90 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,479 It seems strong and important. 91 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 The way you read it is your own creation. 92 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,280 He is kind of stimulating a kind of very abstract thinking 93 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:47,734 of the kind of metaphors. 94 00:06:48,284 --> 00:06:51,998 So there's no one answer to describe this, you know. 95 00:06:57,544 --> 00:07:01,040 Well, this is the miniature which I made. 96 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,160 This was actually photographed in Tokyo, 97 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,600 and what I photographed was the replica of The Large Glass. 98 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,080 I use eight-by-ten camera. 99 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,800 This is the original negative here 100 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,960 sandwiched between the two thick glass like this. 101 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,680 And then this side is the positive actually, 102 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,388 the contact print from the other side, negative. 103 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,600 I wasn't so aware of Duchamp's influence, but... 104 00:07:28,813 --> 00:07:33,275 but after reaching at my age now, I... 105 00:07:33,275 --> 00:07:36,320 I feel very strongly how... how much 106 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,843 effect that he did affect 107 00:07:37,843 --> 00:07:41,994 on my career in art. 108 00:07:42,937 --> 00:07:47,612 What I'm working on now is my show at the Cartier Foundation in Paris. 109 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,000 The Cartier Foundation, it's a glass box, 110 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,769 it's a huge glass box. 111 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,520 I'm presenting a three-dimensional Duchamp 112 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,171 Large Glass presentation in my way of presentation. 113 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,833 This is the bachelor section. 114 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,776 And this is the bride section. 115 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,800 This is each nine figures as a bachelor 116 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,480 that's being represented 117 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,484 as more like a machine-like figure. 118 00:08:29,484 --> 00:08:31,985 That's why I'm related to this 119 00:08:32,293 --> 00:08:34,900 collection of my machine photographs. 120 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,520 The machine models were 19th century. 121 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,172 They served to demonstrate 122 00:08:47,172 --> 00:08:51,275 the very basic machine movement for the student. 123 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,440 We are getting into this upper part of the section 124 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,520 called the "bride section." 125 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,720 So this is... there's supposed to be a bride 126 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,078 with this very interesting 127 00:09:09,078 --> 00:09:12,293 formation of cloud-like shapes. 128 00:09:12,293 --> 00:09:14,959 That's kind of feminine to me, so 129 00:09:14,959 --> 00:09:20,900 I decided to compare with my mathematical forms, like this. 130 00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:26,175 This was made to be... to show a student what's the mathematics, 131 00:09:26,175 --> 00:09:31,040 you know, three-dimensional mathematic theories can be seen 132 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,740 in actual three-dimensional models. 133 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,760 I was very bad in mathematics 134 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,640 when I was a high school student. 135 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,960 I loved physics, but my lack of understanding of mathematics 136 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,440 made me think that I am not the proper person 137 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,324 to get into physics. 138 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,400 You know, I found that I'm quite a visual person; 139 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,165 I have to confirm everything by my eye. 140 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,340 So I became more like a visual artist. 141 00:10:11,884 --> 00:10:15,000 Every museum show, I try to design the space. 142 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,729 It's very important. 143 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,760 It's not just a photography show. 144 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,810 It's more like I'm designing the space. 145 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:29,047 It's just a... 146 00:10:29,317 --> 00:10:31,128 like a space sculpture, like. 147 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,080 I want people to get puzzled first, you know. 148 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,360 As people walk in, the first... 149 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:45,184 probably people may think this is a minimalist sculpture show. 150 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,200 And then came all the way into the space and came back 151 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,711 and all of a sudden this is a photography show. 152 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,120 So people pay only one admission 153 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,683 and get to see two different kind of show. 154 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,739 It's... very heavily discounted. 155 00:11:16,044 --> 00:11:20,847 I have so many ideas being cooked in my brain 156 00:11:20,924 --> 00:11:24,159 and they seem like all impossible. 157 00:11:24,505 --> 00:11:26,417 But sometimes it's... 158 00:11:26,706 --> 00:11:28,720 it becomes reality. 159 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,363 So this is through my translation of my visual, 160 00:11:35,363 --> 00:11:39,780 like, visual understanding of how... how I see things. 161 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:54,680 And then make... make imagination possible 162 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:57,320 to be able to show to everybody 163 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,555 that's the task of artist, I think.