1 00:00:21,113 --> 00:00:24,024 [ YINKA SHONIBARE ] Odile and Odette is based on Swan Lake. 2 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,699 The white swan is trying to get married to the prince. 3 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,360 And the black swan is the magician's daughter, 4 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,347 who is trying to take the place of the white swan. 5 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,800 What i've done with "Odile and Odette" 6 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,257 is to blur the boundaries between the baddie and the good one. 7 00:00:51,257 --> 00:00:54,717 I've made them into one person. 8 00:00:56,070 --> 00:00:58,680 They are one, but they're different. 9 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,978 And that's kind of what that film is about. 10 00:01:03,521 --> 00:01:10,950 I've always enjoyed using beauty and seduction as a way of engaging people with the work. 11 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:19,339 My figures actually are of mixed race. They're neither White nor Black, 12 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,760 and they don't have any kind of facial features 13 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,231 that would make you identify them racially. 14 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:33,196 It's also a device that manages to make the pieces post-racial. 15 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,200 It's also a joke about the French Revolution, 16 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,338 when the aristocracy had their heads guillotined. 17 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,683 I'm very fascinated by class in my work. 18 00:01:58,801 --> 00:02:05,200 And I like the idea of parodying or mimicking 19 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,219 the notion of class. 20 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:13,260 My lineage within the Nigerian context is quite aristocratic. 21 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:21,423 My great-great-grandfather was a Nigerian chief. 22 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,082 My father is a lawyer. 23 00:02:24,082 --> 00:02:29,074 So I grew up, really, in a fairly affluent situation. 24 00:02:29,881 --> 00:02:32,287 Because I didn't grow up 25 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,320 feeling inferior to anyone, you know, so I couldn't quite 26 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,480 understand the hierarchy of race in this country, 27 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,920 because it was somewhat sort of alien to me. 28 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,560 Although the fabrics are associated with Africa, 29 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,800 they have their origins in Indonesia. 30 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,778 The Dutch started to produce the fabrics 31 00:03:00,324 --> 00:03:02,920 industrially for the Indonesian markets, 32 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:05,960 I guess, towards the end of the 19th century. 33 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,153 The industrially produced versions are not so popular in Indonesia. 34 00:03:10,153 --> 00:03:12,241 So they tried West Africa. 35 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,700 I like the fact that the fabrics are multilayered. 36 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,433 They have this interesting history that goes back to Indonesia. 37 00:03:26,071 --> 00:03:27,560 And then they're appropriated 38 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,691 by Africa and now represent African identities. 39 00:03:34,610 --> 00:03:37,339 Things are not always  what they seem. 40 00:03:37,909 --> 00:03:40,240 And, you know, so— 41 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,249 and I sort of enjoy working— working with that. 42 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,000 Did you just see the front of "The Economist"? 43 00:04:05,498 --> 00:04:07,249 "World on the edge". 44 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:15,000 I'm interested in the architects of the present economic disaster. 45 00:04:15,851 --> 00:04:16,769 So um... 46 00:04:17,671 --> 00:04:22,533 And so I wanna dedicate a drawing to Ben Bernanke 47 00:04:23,506 --> 00:04:25,153 and Paulson 48 00:04:26,055 --> 00:04:28,128 and Milton Friedman. 49 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,120 The drawings actually also started as a result 50 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,734 of issues around climate change. 51 00:04:38,229 --> 00:04:43,280 Climate really is more for me about the zeitgeist, you know, trying to capture 52 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:45,433 the climate of the moment. 53 00:04:45,433 --> 00:04:51,440 There are times when I do really kind of objective things. I take things out of magazines 54 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,012 or newspapers. 55 00:04:54,151 --> 00:04:57,851 But then I do intuitive things alongside that. 56 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,590 Well, this is my return to drawing in 12 years. 57 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:18,185 'Cause a lot of my work to date is in mainly painting, sculpture, 58 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,560 photography, and film. 59 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,840 I kind of wanted to go back to basics, just do some more 60 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:27,290 intimate things. 61 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,934 I've decided to use flowers as the starting point. 62 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,172 And then against the financial side, 63 00:05:41,647 --> 00:05:45,000 literally just use pages from the "Financial Times". 64 00:05:46,139 --> 00:05:49,547 Those are cut out into flower shapes. 65 00:05:51,849 --> 00:05:55,920 And then those are combined with the fabrics, 66 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,881 the batik that I use in my work. 67 00:05:58,973 --> 00:06:01,513 Those are also cut into flowers. 68 00:06:01,513 --> 00:06:05,394 So it's a juxtaposition, if you like, 69 00:06:05,394 --> 00:06:07,935 of nature and culture 70 00:06:09,004 --> 00:06:16,016 and just trying to see if the drawings can become more than the contents. 71 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,400 It would be nice to have more "Financial Times" flowers, 72 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,148 but like different sizes, 73 00:06:28,148 --> 00:06:30,280 maybe like you did in there. 74 00:06:30,755 --> 00:06:31,960 - Okay. - You know? 75 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,668 [ both chuckle ] 76 00:06:40,254 --> 00:06:41,960 - People often ask me, 77 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,680 you know how much work does Yinka actually do? 78 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,600 He's quite a conceptual artist And for, you know, centuries, 79 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,120 people haven't always made their own work, physically. 80 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,280 There always have been teams of people that work on them. 81 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,400 Working with Yinka, it's quite a creative process. 82 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,960 To be able to adapt the ideas that he has 83 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,912 and insert your own ideas. And he allows for that. 84 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:23,865 The show in Sydney was the first retrospective of its kind. 85 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,440 It was a survey of 12 years of Yinka's work. 86 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,440 So it was really interesting to see all these works 87 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,560 side by side that had never been pulled together 88 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,307 for many, many years. 89 00:07:33,307 --> 00:07:38,160 and really interesting to take a look at the works from today's context 90 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,271 and where the work today is going. 91 00:07:41,031 --> 00:07:43,926 [ indistinct background chatter ] 92 00:07:45,238 --> 00:07:47,680 - "Black Gold" is about oil. 93 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,165 Literally like a sort of oil splash on the wall. 94 00:07:53,016 --> 00:07:57,640 I was thinking about oil being black gold, 95 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,644 because it's becoming a rare commodity. 96 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:06,045 I was also thinking particularly about the oil in Nigeria. 97 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,000 Western companies have just totally destroyed 98 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,540 the flora and fauna of the area, 99 00:08:15,540 --> 00:08:19,640 and the rivers are full of oil, gunk, 100 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,520 and it's just too sad, you know? 101 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:23,853 It's just horrible. 102 00:08:26,583 --> 00:08:32,280 "Scramble for Africa" is based on a conference that was held in Berlin 103 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,239 in 1884 to 1885. 104 00:08:36,070 --> 00:08:42,920 The European countries came together to divide up africa to decide who would have 105 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,969 which trading area. 106 00:08:45,253 --> 00:08:49,960 And so I re-imagined it with these brainless men sitting around the table, 107 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,524 literally brainless. 108 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:57,752 And they're having this meeting and deciding the fate of Africa. 109 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,560 When i was 19, I got a virus in my spine, 110 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:13,281 which left me completely paralyzed. 111 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,262 I've been gradually recovering from that. 112 00:09:18,535 --> 00:09:19,704 - Yeah, we good with that? 113 00:09:19,704 --> 00:09:20,846 - Do you want to get rid of it? 114 00:09:21,771 --> 00:09:27,320 "Dorian Gray" is probably the point at which I first 115 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,621 talked about the ideas of disability in my work. 116 00:09:34,775 --> 00:09:39,295 I put myself in the series as Dorian Gray. 117 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,607 I was thinking more about my own mortality. 118 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,320 And my own internal conflicts 119 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,015 with various kind of moral issues, personal issues. 120 00:09:56,958 --> 00:09:59,624 And the difficulty of living with my own body. 121 00:10:01,903 --> 00:10:05,550 Difficulty in relation to my own kind of vanity as well. 122 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,720 When i wanted to work with photography, 123 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,617 it was obvious that i would use myself because, 124 00:10:12,891 --> 00:10:17,481 you know, unfortunately, I am concerned with myself or, you know— 125 00:10:17,481 --> 00:10:20,360 I'm kind of self-obsessed, like most artists. 126 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:25,040 And you know, so naturally, I started working with myself 127 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,120 and using my own body to sort of express 128 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,843 what i'm trying to express. 129 00:10:33,694 --> 00:10:37,407 I did "Diary of a Victorian Dandy". 130 00:10:38,784 --> 00:10:43,033 That piece is loosely based on Hogarth's "A Rake's Progress" 131 00:10:43,033 --> 00:10:47,473 It's really about complicity with excess. 132 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,078 Power creates excess. 133 00:10:52,004 --> 00:10:58,660 And what's my relation to excess, and how do I play with that? 134 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,080 Of course, I could choose to point a finger at it, 135 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:11,320 but, you know, I also actually would like to have the trappings 136 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,760 of wealth myself, 137 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,115 even though I may be criticizing it. 138 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:17,734 - Do you know what I mean? 139 00:11:17,734 --> 00:11:20,360 So you have to get that feeling, give the feeling 140 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,060 that there is light coming from outside. 141 00:11:23,583 --> 00:11:24,841 - Right. 142 00:11:24,841 --> 00:11:28,513 - Seeing the early pieces, I can see the journey that I've made to arrive 143 00:11:28,513 --> 00:11:31,000 at the later pieces. 144 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:40,000 And it starts to become clearer how I actually moved from painting to costumes. 145 00:11:41,828 --> 00:11:44,649 And then to photography. 146 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,600 And then to moving image. 147 00:11:56,169 --> 00:12:00,512 You know it seems kind of logical how that would happen. 148 00:12:02,150 --> 00:12:06,200 "Un Ballo in Maschera" was one of the most exhausting things 149 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,480 I've ever done in my life. 150 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,453 I had to learn fast. It was my first film. 151 00:12:14,277 --> 00:12:20,000 I had to go from auditioning the dancers to designing the costumes, 152 00:12:20,285 --> 00:12:23,404 to doing the storyboards for the film. 153 00:12:23,855 --> 00:12:26,947 Then working with a cinematographer. 154 00:12:26,947 --> 00:12:29,659 I mean, I didn't even know what Steadicam was. 155 00:12:29,659 --> 00:12:30,701 I found out. 156 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,840 And I worked with a choreographer 157 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,041 called Lisa Toren who is Swedish. 158 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:51,696 The Swedish King Gustav III was fighting wars in Russia 159 00:12:51,696 --> 00:12:55,856 and Denmark and his people were starving. 160 00:12:56,426 --> 00:12:59,520 He loved the lavish lifestyle 161 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,941 And he had this fondness  for masked balls. 162 00:13:03,903 --> 00:13:08,181 There was a plot to kill him at the ball. 163 00:13:11,452 --> 00:13:13,452 [ gunshot fires ] 164 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,678 I always imagined I was a very strong political republican. 165 00:13:19,058 --> 00:13:23,030 Republican is anti-monarchy in Europe 166 00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:25,144 so it means that you don't 167 00:13:25,144 --> 00:13:29,591 like the hereditary system of kings and queens. 168 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,960 Member of the Order of the British Empire is an award of merit 169 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,160 given for services to any discipline, really, 170 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,318 you know, from science to 171 00:13:43,318 --> 00:13:46,880 engineering, to charities, to the arts, 172 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,573 and I was given this award for services to the arts. 173 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:02,151 What I find ironic about it is that actually my work all along has been a critique of empire. 174 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:11,440 So my artist's name now is Yinka Shonibare MBE, 175 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,650 so Member of the Order of the British Empire. 176 00:14:15,802 --> 00:14:18,604 [ chuckles ] 177 00:14:39,191 --> 00:14:43,303 [ ANNOUNCER ] To learn more about Art21: “Art in the Twenty-First Century" 178 00:14:43,303 --> 00:14:45,303 and its educational resources, 179 00:14:45,493 --> 00:14:48,794 please visit us online at: PBS.org 180 00:14:52,502 --> 00:14:58,110 Art21: “Art in the Twenty-First Century” is available on Blu-Ray and DVD. 181 00:14:58,229 --> 00:15:00,292 The companion book is also available. 182 00:15:00,292 --> 00:15:03,526 To order, visit us online at: shopPBS.org 183 00:15:03,526 --> 00:15:08,232 or call PBS Home Video at: 1-800-PLAY-PBS