0:00:21.113,0:00:24.024 [ YINKA SHONIBARE ] Odile and Odette[br]is based on Swan Lake. 0:00:24.760,0:00:28.699 The white swan is trying[br]to get married to the prince. 0:00:28.960,0:00:33.360 And the black swan[br]is the magician's daughter, 0:00:33.360,0:00:37.347 who is trying to take[br]the place of the white swan. 0:00:42.640,0:00:46.800 What i've done with[br]"Odile and Odette" 0:00:46.800,0:00:51.257 is to blur the boundaries[br]between the baddie and the good one. 0:00:51.257,0:00:54.717 I've made them into one person. 0:00:56.070,0:00:58.680 They are one, but they're different. 0:00:58.680,0:01:01.978 And that's kind of what that film is about. 0:01:03.521,0:01:10.950 I've always enjoyed using beauty and seduction[br]as a way of engaging people with the work. 0:01:13.680,0:01:19.339 My figures actually are of mixed race.[br]They're neither White nor Black, 0:01:19.600,0:01:22.760 and they don't have[br]any kind of facial features 0:01:22.760,0:01:25.231 that would make you[br]identify them racially. 0:01:26.560,0:01:33.196 It's also a device that manages[br]to make the pieces post-racial. 0:01:40.720,0:01:44.200 It's also a joke about[br]the French Revolution, 0:01:44.200,0:01:47.338 when the aristocracy[br]had their heads guillotined. 0:01:54.720,0:01:58.683 I'm very fascinated by class[br]in my work. 0:01:58.801,0:02:05.200 And I like the idea[br]of parodying or mimicking 0:02:05.200,0:02:07.219 the notion of class. 0:02:07.860,0:02:13.260 My lineage within the Nigerian context[br]is quite aristocratic. 0:02:16.440,0:02:21.423 My great-great-grandfather[br]was a Nigerian chief. 0:02:22.040,0:02:24.082 My father is a lawyer. 0:02:24.082,0:02:29.074 So I grew up, really, in a fairly affluent situation. 0:02:29.881,0:02:32.287 Because I didn't grow up 0:02:32.800,0:02:37.320 feeling inferior to anyone,[br]you know, so I couldn't quite 0:02:37.320,0:02:41.480 understand the hierarchy of race[br]in this country, 0:02:41.480,0:02:43.920 because it was somewhat[br]sort of alien to me. 0:02:50.720,0:02:53.560 Although the fabrics[br]are associated with Africa, 0:02:53.560,0:02:56.800 they have their origins[br]in Indonesia. 0:02:56.800,0:02:59.778 The Dutch started to produce the fabrics 0:03:00.324,0:03:02.920 industrially[br]for the Indonesian markets, 0:03:02.920,0:03:05.960 I guess, towards the end[br]of the 19th century. 0:03:05.960,0:03:10.153 The industrially produced[br]versions are not so popular in Indonesia. 0:03:10.153,0:03:12.241 So they tried West Africa. 0:03:13.760,0:03:18.700 I like the fact that the fabrics[br]are multilayered. 0:03:20.480,0:03:24.433 They have this interesting[br]history that goes back to Indonesia. 0:03:26.071,0:03:27.560 And then they're appropriated 0:03:27.560,0:03:31.691 by Africa and now represent[br]African identities. 0:03:34.610,0:03:37.339 Things are not always [br]what they seem. 0:03:37.909,0:03:40.240 And, you know, so— 0:03:40.240,0:03:44.249 and I sort of enjoy working—[br]working with that. 0:04:01.760,0:04:05.000 Did you just see the front of "The Economist"? 0:04:05.498,0:04:07.249 "World on the edge". 0:04:09.480,0:04:15.000 I'm interested in the architects[br]of the present economic disaster. 0:04:15.851,0:04:16.769 So um... 0:04:17.671,0:04:22.533 And so I wanna dedicate a [br]drawing to Ben Bernanke 0:04:23.506,0:04:25.153 and Paulson 0:04:26.055,0:04:28.128 and Milton Friedman. 0:04:31.000,0:04:34.120 The drawings actually[br]also started as a result 0:04:34.120,0:04:36.734 of issues around climate change. 0:04:38.229,0:04:43.280 Climate really is more for me about the zeitgeist,[br]you know, trying to capture 0:04:43.280,0:04:45.433 the climate of the moment. 0:04:45.433,0:04:51.440 There are times when I do really kind of objective things.[br]I take things out of magazines 0:04:51.440,0:04:53.012 or newspapers. 0:04:54.151,0:04:57.851 But then I do intuitive things[br]alongside that. 0:05:04.240,0:05:09.590 Well, this is my return to [br]drawing in 12 years. 0:05:12.960,0:05:18.185 'Cause a lot of my work to date[br]is in mainly painting, sculpture, 0:05:18.520,0:05:21.560 photography,[br]and film. 0:05:21.560,0:05:25.840 I kind of wanted to go back[br]to basics, just do some more 0:05:25.840,0:05:27.290 intimate things. 0:05:29.640,0:05:33.934 I've decided to use flowers[br]as the starting point. 0:05:36.640,0:05:41.172 And then against the financial[br]side, 0:05:41.647,0:05:45.000 literally just use pages from [br]the "Financial Times". 0:05:46.139,0:05:49.547 Those are cut out[br]into flower shapes. 0:05:51.849,0:05:55.920 And then those are combined[br]with the fabrics, 0:05:55.920,0:05:57.881 the batik that I use in my work. 0:05:58.973,0:06:01.513 Those are also cut into flowers. 0:06:01.513,0:06:05.394 So it's a juxtaposition, if you like, 0:06:05.394,0:06:07.935 of nature and culture 0:06:09.004,0:06:16.016 and just trying to see if the drawings can become[br]more than the contents. 0:06:21.760,0:06:26.400 It would be nice to have more [br]"Financial Times" flowers, 0:06:26.400,0:06:28.148 but like different sizes, 0:06:28.148,0:06:30.280 maybe like you did in there. 0:06:30.755,0:06:31.960 - Okay.[br]- You know? 0:06:31.960,0:06:34.668 [ both chuckle ] 0:06:40.254,0:06:41.960 - People often ask me, 0:06:41.960,0:06:44.680 you know how much work [br]does Yinka actually do? 0:06:44.680,0:06:48.600 He's quite a conceptual artist[br]And for, you know, centuries, 0:06:48.600,0:06:51.120 people haven't always[br]made their own work, physically. 0:06:51.120,0:06:54.280 There always have been teams of [br]people that work on them. 0:06:55.600,0:06:59.400 Working with Yinka,[br]it's quite a creative process. 0:07:00.920,0:07:04.960 To be able to adapt the [br]ideas that he has 0:07:04.960,0:07:07.912 and insert your own ideas.[br]And he allows for that. 0:07:18.759,0:07:23.865 The show in Sydney was the first [br]retrospective of its kind. 0:07:24.600,0:07:27.440 It was a survey of 12 years[br]of Yinka's work. 0:07:27.440,0:07:29.440 So it was really interesting[br]to see all these works 0:07:29.440,0:07:31.560 side by side that had never been[br]pulled together 0:07:31.560,0:07:33.307 for many, many years. 0:07:33.307,0:07:38.160 and really interesting to take a look at the works[br]from today's context 0:07:38.160,0:07:40.271 and where the work today[br]is going. 0:07:41.031,0:07:43.926 [ indistinct background chatter ] 0:07:45.238,0:07:47.680 - "Black Gold" is about oil. 0:07:47.680,0:07:51.165 Literally like a sort of oil [br]splash on the wall. 0:07:53.016,0:07:57.640 I was thinking about[br]oil being black gold, 0:07:57.640,0:08:00.644 because it's becoming[br]a rare commodity. 0:08:01.000,0:08:06.045 I was also thinking particularly[br]about the oil in Nigeria. 0:08:08.680,0:08:13.000 Western companies have just[br]totally destroyed 0:08:13.000,0:08:15.540 the flora and fauna[br]of the area, 0:08:15.540,0:08:19.640 and the rivers[br]are full of oil, gunk, 0:08:19.640,0:08:22.520 and it's just too sad,[br]you know? 0:08:22.520,0:08:23.853 It's just horrible. 0:08:26.583,0:08:32.280 "Scramble for Africa" is based on a [br]conference that was held in Berlin 0:08:32.280,0:08:35.239 in 1884 to 1885. 0:08:36.070,0:08:42.920 The European countries came together to divide up[br]africa to decide who would have 0:08:42.920,0:08:44.969 which trading area. 0:08:45.253,0:08:49.960 And so I re-imagined it with these brainless men[br]sitting around the table, 0:08:49.960,0:08:51.524 literally brainless. 0:08:51.880,0:08:57.752 And they're having this meeting[br]and deciding the fate of Africa. 0:09:07.040,0:09:10.560 When i was 19,[br]I got a virus in my spine, 0:09:10.560,0:09:13.281 which left me[br]completely paralyzed. 0:09:13.400,0:09:16.262 I've been gradually[br]recovering from that. 0:09:18.535,0:09:19.704 - Yeah, we good with that? 0:09:19.704,0:09:20.846 - Do you want to get rid of it? 0:09:21.771,0:09:27.320 "Dorian Gray" is probably the point at which I first 0:09:27.320,0:09:30.621 talked about the ideas[br]of disability in my work. 0:09:34.775,0:09:39.295 I put myself in the series [br]as Dorian Gray. 0:09:40.600,0:09:43.607 I was thinking more about[br]my own mortality. 0:09:46.360,0:09:50.320 And my own internal conflicts 0:09:50.320,0:09:54.015 with various kind of moral issues, personal issues. 0:09:56.958,0:09:59.624 And the difficulty of living [br]with my own body. 0:10:01.903,0:10:05.550 Difficulty in relation to my own kind [br]of vanity as well. 0:10:06.760,0:10:08.720 When i wanted to work[br]with photography, 0:10:08.720,0:10:11.617 it was obvious that i would use myself[br]because, 0:10:12.891,0:10:17.481 you know, unfortunately, I am concerned[br]with myself or, you know— 0:10:17.481,0:10:20.360 I'm kind of self-obsessed,[br]like most artists. 0:10:20.360,0:10:25.040 And you know, so naturally,[br]I started working with myself 0:10:25.040,0:10:30.120 and using my own body[br]to sort of express 0:10:30.120,0:10:31.843 what i'm trying to express. 0:10:33.694,0:10:37.407 I did "Diary of a Victorian Dandy". 0:10:38.784,0:10:43.033 That piece is loosely based on [br]Hogarth's "A Rake's Progress" 0:10:43.033,0:10:47.473 It's really about complicity [br]with excess. 0:10:49.040,0:10:51.078 Power creates excess. 0:10:52.004,0:10:58.660 And what's my relation to excess,[br]and how do I play with that? 0:11:01.760,0:11:06.080 Of course, I could choose[br]to point a finger at it, 0:11:06.080,0:11:11.320 but, you know, I also actually[br]would like to have the trappings 0:11:11.320,0:11:12.760 of wealth myself, 0:11:12.760,0:11:15.115 even though I may be[br]criticizing it. 0:11:16.800,0:11:17.734 - Do you know what I mean? 0:11:17.734,0:11:20.360 So you have to get that feeling,[br]give the feeling 0:11:20.360,0:11:23.060 that there is light[br]coming from outside. 0:11:23.583,0:11:24.841 - Right. 0:11:24.841,0:11:28.513 - Seeing the early pieces, I can see the journey[br]that I've made to arrive 0:11:28.513,0:11:31.000 at the later pieces. 0:11:33.160,0:11:40.000 And it starts to become clearer how I [br]actually moved from painting to costumes. 0:11:41.828,0:11:44.649 And then to photography. 0:11:53.360,0:11:55.600 And then to moving image. 0:11:56.169,0:12:00.512 You know it seems kind of logical how that would happen. 0:12:02.150,0:12:06.200 "Un Ballo in Maschera" was one of the [br]most exhausting things 0:12:06.200,0:12:08.480 I've ever done[br]in my life. 0:12:08.480,0:12:11.453 I had to learn fast.[br]It was my first film. 0:12:14.277,0:12:20.000 I had to go from auditioning the dancers to designing the costumes,[br] 0:12:20.285,0:12:23.404 to doing the storyboards for the film. 0:12:23.855,0:12:26.947 Then working with a cinematographer. 0:12:26.947,0:12:29.659 I mean, I didn't even know what Steadicam was. 0:12:29.659,0:12:30.701 I found out. 0:12:31.880,0:12:33.840 And I worked with a choreographer 0:12:33.840,0:12:37.041 called Lisa Toren who is Swedish. 0:12:45.040,0:12:51.696 The Swedish King Gustav III was fighting wars in Russia 0:12:51.696,0:12:55.856 and Denmark and his people were starving. 0:12:56.426,0:12:59.520 He loved the lavish lifestyle 0:12:59.520,0:13:02.941 And he had this fondness [br]for masked balls. 0:13:03.903,0:13:08.181 There was a plot to kill [br]him at the ball. 0:13:11.452,0:13:13.452 [ gunshot fires ] 0:13:14.400,0:13:18.678 I always imagined I was a very [br]strong political republican. 0:13:19.058,0:13:23.030 Republican is anti-monarchy in Europe 0:13:23.030,0:13:25.144 so it means that you don't 0:13:25.144,0:13:29.591 like the hereditary system[br]of kings and queens. 0:13:33.000,0:13:36.960 Member of the Order of the British Empire[br]is an award of merit 0:13:36.960,0:13:41.160 given for services[br]to any discipline, really, 0:13:41.160,0:13:43.318 you know, from science to 0:13:43.318,0:13:46.880 engineering, to charities, to the arts, 0:13:46.880,0:13:51.573 and I was given this award[br]for services to the arts. 0:13:54.920,0:14:02.151 What I find ironic about it is that actually my work[br]all along has been a critique of empire. 0:14:06.400,0:14:11.440 So my artist's name now is [br]Yinka Shonibare MBE, 0:14:11.440,0:14:14.650 so Member of the Order [br]of the British Empire. 0:14:15.802,0:14:18.604 [ chuckles ] 0:14:39.191,0:14:43.303 [ ANNOUNCER ] To learn more about [br]Art21: “Art in the Twenty-First Century" 0:14:43.303,0:14:45.303 and its educational resources, 0:14:45.493,0:14:48.794 please visit us online at: [br]PBS.org 0:14:52.502,0:14:58.110 Art21: “Art in the Twenty-First Century” [br]is available on Blu-Ray and DVD. 0:14:58.229,0:15:00.292 The companion book is also available. 0:15:00.292,0:15:03.526 To order, visit us online at: shopPBS.org 0:15:03.526,0:15:08.232 or call PBS Home Video at: [br]1-800-PLAY-PBS