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Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.17,0:00:22.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Hello and welcome, dear creatures,\Nto our first sets of talks. And now a
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.18,0:00:28.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quick info about the translation. Der nun\Nfolgende Vortrag wird ins Deutsche
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Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.86,0:01:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exploring the virtual event such as rC3 is\Ndifficult. So please help us out. Drop the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.23,0:01:04.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,herald news show, hints or interesting\Nstuff under the email address
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.37,0:01:14.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,newsshow@rc3.world.Or go to the blog\Nnewsshow.rc3.world. And we have a Q&A
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.89,0:01:20.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,section for this talk "The Mission of the\NMV Louise Michel". There is the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.91,0:01:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possibility to ask questions. And when you\Nwant to leave us a question, use the IRC
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Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.68,0:01:48.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hashtag #rc3one. That is rc number 3\Nletter o letter n letter e: rc3one. And
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.70,0:01:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now the upcoming talk is "The Mission of\Nthe MV Louise Michel". Feminism will be
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.28,0:02:03.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,antiracist or it won't be. Search and\Nrescue is not standing for...SAR is not
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.59,0:02:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,standing for search and rescue, as going\Nby the Louise Michelle crew, it also
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.98,0:02:15.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stands for solidarity and resistance. The\Ntalk will be about the mission of the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.62,0:02:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rescue vessel Louise Michel and why\Nsmashing borders won't work without
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.08,0:02:25.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smashing the patriarchy and the other way\Naround. The talk is given by a small group
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.65,0:02:31.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people who run together with many\Nothers the high speed lifeboat MV Louise
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.58,0:02:40.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Michel, which patrols the Mediterranean.\NAnd now let's go live to the bridge of the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.23,0:02:47.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Louise Michel. The stage is yours.\NHannah: Hello. Thanks a lot for the invitation
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.73,0:02:55.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have a slot at the CCC 2020. Although\Nwe have almost no time to...for
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.03,0:03:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,preparation. But we are anyway happy to\Nsit here today and give you a small impact
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.70,0:03:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what the Louise Michel project is or\Ncan be. So, there is much more than could
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.30,0:03:17.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be said in 40 minutes. So hello everyone.\NWe are sitting on the bridge of the lovely
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.81,0:03:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Louise Michel. At the moment we have 6\Ncrew on boards. And here in the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.02,0:03:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,room are Leona, Anouk, Yakob, Lorence and\Nme, I'm Hannah. And we will give you a
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.87,0:03:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,short introduction about what the project\Nhas been done in the last 12 to 14 months.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.38,0:03:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we will try to make a slight\Nswitch and talk about mostly
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.28,0:04:00.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sexist boundaries.\NLeona: So, yes, maybe many of you already
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.87,0:04:10.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,heard, this ship is a search and rescue\Nship. And was bought nearly one year ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.49,0:04:19.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It all started with Banksy writing an\Nemail to Pia Klemp, offering a ship. And
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.25,0:04:29.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then after a few discussions, the ship was\Nbought and a group of a few people put
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.53,0:04:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many work, many effort in it to prepare a\Nformer navy French navy ship into a search
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.13,0:04:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and rescue vessel. The preparation when\Nnearly all of them were done in France and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.59,0:04:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ship was brought then to Burriana in\NSpain. And, turned from a French navy boat
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.44,0:05:02.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into...a pink disaster. {\i1}laughs{\i0} Is now again in\NBurriana, Spain. We left for our first
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.63,0:05:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mission on the 5th...of the 18th of\NAugust. Went to the central Mediterranean
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.14,0:05:15.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sea in front of the Libyan coast. And we\Nwere involved of rescuing almost 300
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.91,0:05:25.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people. And after returning to Spain, the\Nship didn't get detained or didn't get
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.35,0:05:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seized, what we kindly or we were\Nexpecting this. So we aren't detained, but the ship is
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.46,0:05:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blocked. And now after the first mission,\Na group of people decided to keep the ship
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.33,0:05:46.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get the ship ready again for the next\Nmission. And that's basically what we are
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.61,0:05:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on right now. Like getting a new\Nregistration, because Louise Michel was
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.42,0:05:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,registered as a so-called pleasure craft,\Nas a motor yacht, which was no problem at
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.48,0:06:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all, because it's obviously a pleasure\Ncraft and the motor yacht. So as long as
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.90,0:06:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authorities...well...they didn't know that\Nwe were supposed to do a search and
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.31,0:06:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rescue, it was no problem at all. But\Nafter they found out that we are doing
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.88,0:06:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,search and rescue, we lost our\Nregistration. And are now working on
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.96,0:06:26.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting a new one to be able to sail\Nagain. And yeah, so we are now in harbour,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.67,0:06:33.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing shipyard time. That means preparing\Nthe ship, working on problems, fixing
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.73,0:06:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff that needs to be fixed on the ship,\Nwhich is quite a lot. And yeah, also doing
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.58,0:06:46.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of paperwork, because as many of you\Nalso may know, search and rescue is very
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.57,0:06:53.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political and there are many political\Nissues...let's call it like this...that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.06,0:07:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,needs to be fixed. Many stones are...they\Nare put in our way. And yeah, that's what
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.00,0:07:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're working on right now.\NH: In the short description was
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.22,0:07:12.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already said, that we don't understand\NSAR, that normally stands for search and
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.13,0:07:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rescue. That we understand this SAR as\Nsolidarity and resistance. That
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.90,0:07:26.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,means...all of what we are trying to say\Nwith this, is that we are not standing our
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.73,0:07:34.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activism or our acting not as a\Nhumanitarian thing, but as political. And
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.99,0:07:41.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is inspired by the central critique,\Nthat humanitarian work, which is just to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.17,0:07:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say this kind of short. The other medal\Nor the other side of the same medal. So
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.25,0:07:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,humanitarian work tries to milder what\Ncapitalism, patriarchy or racism do to and
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.33,0:08:07.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the world. And so, it makes the shit\Nthat's going on looking better. But it's
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.07,0:08:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making invisible what all these structures\Nof power cause. So this is racism,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.35,0:08:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is death. This is...they make the\Nstructures of inequality and power
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.38,0:08:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,invisible.\NL: And this is kind of what also our
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.44,0:08:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project is about, not only going to sea\Nsaving lives, because the - obviously -
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.23,0:08:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the EU is not willing or...mean they are\Ndefinitely...they would be able to do it,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.98,0:08:49.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they are not willing to save lives or\Nto stop people from drowning. So, we are
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.14,0:08:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,definitely...this is part of our project,\Nbut part of our project, the main part of
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.54,0:08:59.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our project is definitely to put some\Neffort in changing the whole system,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.73,0:09:06.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because as Hannah already said, like\Ncapitalism and definitely racism, they
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.26,0:09:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cause the death, that we can see at our\Nborders, especially in the Mediterranean
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.40,0:09:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sea. So without capitalism, without racism\Nand also without the patriarchy, there
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.86,0:09:22.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be not such a problem. Like there\Nwouldn't be so many people drowning at
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.25,0:09:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sea. And this is that, what we mainly\Nunderstand, what we should do...like,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.13,0:09:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bringing effort in changing the system.\NH: And that also means, that our actions
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.16,0:09:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to be followed by the adults and they\Nhave to be reflected. We have to reflect
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.76,0:09:56.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on what we are doing and not get caught by\Nthis stupid game, all this disgusting
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.67,0:10:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,game, that is played by national states,\Nby the European Union, or by all those
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.68,0:10:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authorities, who are trying to force us to\Nwork on stupid registrations. So what the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.06,0:10:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,main situation is, for us and also for all\Nother rescue ships is, that we are
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.41,0:10:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blocked, that we are hindered, that the\NEuropean Union stopped all their rescue
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.85,0:10:30.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,programs they had. The central\NMediterranean is still the most deadly
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.71,0:10:36.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,border in the world, but it's not the only\Ndeadly border in the world. Borders at all
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.04,0:10:45.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are killing and causing death and torture\Nand suffering. And the borders are
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.69,0:10:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imaginary lines. Or boundaries are\Nimaginary lines, that have been set up at
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.25,0:10:59.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some point. And so it makes the people\Nbelieve, that there is something, that has
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.75,0:11:07.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be protected...by the national borders\Nor the borders of states are not the only
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.87,0:11:15.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,borders we are struggling with. And there\Nare also borders between, or boundaries that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.55,0:11:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to cross, like gender, like\Nracism, like capitalism, like
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.43,0:11:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inequality...Maybe I can hand over.\NL: Like what Hannah already said, like the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.92,0:11:34.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,boundaries not only exist between\Ncountries and states or even continents,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.06,0:11:39.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also between human beings, between\Npeople. And this is something we are also
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.98,0:11:46.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeing like a lot on ships. All of us\Nworked on different kind of ships. And
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.01,0:11:50.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've seen a lot of borders, a lot of\Nboundaries, whether they were quite
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.83,0:11:58.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,visible or most of them were more\Ninvisible between people. And the reason
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.11,0:12:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for that, or the reasons for those\Nboundaries, I think...you said them
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.06,0:12:10.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already, are mostly gender, are the color\Nof the skin of people, the level of
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.49,0:12:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,education people have. And all this stuff\Nis causing boundaries between people and
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.07,0:12:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,borders between people. And we, as a\Npolitical project, not we are not only
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.74,0:12:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to fight the borders between\Ncountries and helping, or we're trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.25,0:12:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put effort in helping people across those\Nborders between countries, but also
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.47,0:12:46.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,helping people and forcing...not only\Nforcing, but...challenging ourselves to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.45,0:12:53.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cross those borders, that society teached\Nus to live within. So, we are also trying
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.31,0:12:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to...as I said, help people, but also\Nchallenging ourselves to cross those
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.09,0:13:04.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,borders that exists in our head and that\Nare very invisible from time to time. But
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.97,0:13:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you work as a crew, they get...you\Ncan feel them, you can't see them, but you
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.24,0:13:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can feel them.\NH: And this is maybe something that we can
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.21,0:13:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say as one of our main understanding.\NSo, we don't see, when we talk about
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.96,0:13:22.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,migration or when we talk about people on\Nthe move, so, migration is everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.75,0:13:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's also migration, when I move from\NBerlin to Spain, because I think I like
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.51,0:13:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the beautiful, all the warm weather more.\NThis is also migration, there's nothing
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.10,0:13:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like this.\NL: And I mean, the weather is quite nice.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.52,0:13:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are in Spain right now and it's just \Nwonderful to be here. {\i1}laughs{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.44,0:13:44.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: But this is also migration. Migration\Nis also when you move from the landscape
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.91,0:13:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or from land side to the city. But it's\Nnot framed as migration. And I think
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.88,0:13:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there...it's always a difficulty to go\Nsomewhere else. And people who are
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.68,0:14:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crossing the borders of the European\NUnion, we don't understand this as fleeing
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.20,0:14:09.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people, who need our urgent help and\Nsupport. But we understand this
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.20,0:14:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,movement, there's a kind of challenging\Nborders. So, because I don't accept these
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.16,0:14:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imaginary lines, that they were told, that\Nthey are not allowed to cross. Freedom of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.70,0:14:25.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,movement is a basic right of human beings\Nand should be like this. And this is
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.67,0:14:32.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something, that we should stand for. And\Nso then the people always say like, OK,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.78,0:14:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is e.g. an institution like Frontex,\Nthat is a policing, military organization.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.56,0:14:49.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in 2011, they were told to accept a\Nnew rule. That means they are not allowed
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.79,0:14:55.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do pushbacks. Because they do\Npushbacks. But what else do we expect? So,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.69,0:14:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have someone who is controlling\Nborders. We expect that these people
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.44,0:15:03.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,controlling borders will say to someone,\Nwho wants to cross it: "Oh, you're not
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.59,0:15:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowed". And they expect, that the\Nopposite will say: "Ahja, cool...I will go
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.55,0:15:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,home again." That's not how it works. And\Nthis leads to a situation of violence,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.38,0:15:21.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because as soon as this border is not\Naccepted and someone crosses anyway it
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.13,0:15:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will have an effect.\NAnd that's, what we are facing
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.25,0:15:32.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the moment and at the very \Nmoment where - sorry, I need
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.07,0:15:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a second, I lost my point. {\i1}laughing{\i0}\NL: You were talking about the moment that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.56,0:15:43.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people cross borders without having the\Npermission to cross them.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.37,0:15:53.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: Yeah, but I lost it. It's just gone.\NL: {\i1}laughs{\i0} so, maybe I can jump in until
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.66,0:15:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hannah finds her point and I think her\Npoint was pretty good. So, I would love
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.30,0:16:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her to get back to that. But, when we were\Npreparing this talk, we also talked about,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.14,0:16:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who was even able to draw the lines as\Nborders. Like, for example, Frontex is
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.20,0:16:17.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"protecting" the border between, for\Nexample, African states and European
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.49,0:16:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,states. And, but there are so many other\Nborders. And we figured out in our heads,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.43,0:16:29.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it's always the most powerful\Nposition, who is able to draw those lines
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.79,0:16:36.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as borders. And when it comes to borders\Nor boundaries between people, that it's
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.19,0:16:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also, again, the most powerful, powerful\Nposition that is drawing this line. And
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.76,0:16:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this should be changed. So it should not\Nbe these powerful persons deciding, where
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.02,0:16:57.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the boundaries or the borders are and who\Nis allowed to live within which border,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.42,0:17:06.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like...for example, cis man decides this\Nis the border between a male and a female
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.63,0:17:10.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,person, who's deciding this. This is just\Nstupid and same for borders between
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.69,0:17:16.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,countries like European states is\Ndeciding, so this is the line and I'm a
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.74,0:17:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,European person, so I'm allowed to live\Nwithin this line and all of you should
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.90,0:17:26.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just fuck off and stay outside. And you\Ncan just put this into many, many
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.98,0:17:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different situations, I think.\NH: Borders are a matter of distinction and
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.62,0:17:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it separates people from each other. So,\Nwhile it is saying you are different than
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.54,0:17:45.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me? Because you are male and this is a\Nfemale or because you are white and black
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.47,0:17:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's your passport and that's your\Npassport. And maybe you don't even have a
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.80,0:18:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,passport. And we are mostly talking in our\Ncrew about gendered borders, about - and
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.25,0:18:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is something that makes sense, when\Nwe are understands a ship as a place or as
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.56,0:18:21.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a space of hierarchy, of patriarchy. That\Nis, so it brings bad luck, when you have
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.37,0:18:28.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a woman on board. That's the story that's\Ntold. And we have this talk also
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.49,0:18:32.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yesterday, that we have a funny fireball,\Nthat you can throw into the fire, when
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.57,0:18:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a fire and then will explode. And\Nthere's a picture on it and you see a male
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.24,0:18:42.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is throwing, like, very nice and\Nslightly into a fire.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.33,0:18:45.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: He's definitely the hero of the\Nsituation.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.09,0:18:53.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: As it is. And there's also a pictogram\Nof a woman. And she's putting this ball
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.78,0:18:58.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the top into burning oil.\NL: Very nicely.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.03,0:19:04.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: Very nicely and she's smiling. And this\Nstands for something, that we are facing,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.97,0:19:12.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we, as not cis males, enter a space,\Nlike a ship. We notice so every day, that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.99,0:19:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are kind of in the wrong place. We\Nnotice that it's a different, when you go
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.64,0:19:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alone through a port. We have all these\Nvisible things, that we can talk about.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.32,0:19:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when you have a male chief engineer, it's\Na male chief engineer and you can say this
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.16,0:19:37.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a powerful position. But there are so \Nmany things, that you can't see that clearly.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.25,0:19:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: Yeah. So they are these visible
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.47,0:19:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,boundaries, but also like invisible\Nboundaries. So we were also talking about,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.35,0:19:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is changing, when you have, for\Nexample, cis men coming on board the ship.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.10,0:19:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does this create, like what feelings\Nchange and how feelings change and how
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.84,0:20:04.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,behavior also changes? And what does\Nit make with the whole crew? Maybe all of
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.03,0:20:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you also have situations in mind, when you\Nwere only, for example, cis females or
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.93,0:20:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FLINT persons in a project or in a room\Nand how this was, how you were working
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.67,0:20:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together? How you were living together?\NAnd as soon as cis man is entering the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.14,0:20:28.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,room, the project, how this is changing.\NAnd this is also about boundaries between
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.53,0:20:32.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people, I think.\NH: And it's challenging us a lot. So,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.06,0:20:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always, when we try to crew mostly FLINT\Npeople. So, we try to turn the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.87,0:20:41.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,usual...what is a Normalverteilung\N(German, Gaussian Distribution)?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.24,0:20:45.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: The usual Normalverteilung\N(German), sorry for the English speaking
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.01,0:20:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,persons. {\i1}laughs{\i0}. {\i1}L: I've no idea{\i0}.\NH: So, usually these rooms are structured,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.92,0:20:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if you have women on board or FLINT\Npeople on board. That you have one or two
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.50,0:21:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the rest of cis men. And we try...\NL: And, maybe also saying, that on many,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.93,0:21:09.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many ships, the FLINT person is doing the\Ncrew care, or the, for NGO ships, it's
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.81,0:21:15.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the guest care positions. Like many\Nmedical departments are made of, we can
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.94,0:21:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say it, like of women and guest care and\Ncrew care is, like are mostly female
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.68,0:21:27.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,positions. But when it comes to engineers\Nor captain or officer positions, this is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.87,0:21:31.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mainly cis male position.\N{\i1}unintelligible{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.55,0:21:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: And that was what I was about to say. So, \Nwe are doing crewing for the ship and we
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.62,0:21:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try to crew mostly FLINTs persons. And, \Nthat also means, that we can open the doors.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:43.50,0:21:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although we are kind of the door keepers\Nand we can open the doors for those
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.58,0:22:00.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people, who usually have it much more\Ndifficult to enter such a project or to
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.55,0:22:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enter such positions, that they can take\Nover, when they are entering Louise
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.42,0:22:13.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Michel. But of course, that's the story \Nabout being exclusive. And we have, we are
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.71,0:22:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,struggling a lot with the fact, that we\Nare still working in a surrounding, that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.34,0:22:29.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is super masculine dominated. So, always\Nwhen we are looking for people, who can
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.23,0:22:35.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take over the powerful positions, like\Nbeing a captain, an officer, a chief
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.51,0:22:48.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,engineer. We are having a wide range of\Ncis men, who offer their support. But on
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.85,0:22:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the other side, there's no one. \NAnd this is something that is
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.24,0:22:58.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really a problem. And it takes \Nus much time to deal with the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.94,0:23:03.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,situation, because we really want\Nto stick to this idea of creating a kind
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.63,0:23:14.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of, as possible as that could be, a kind of\Nsafe space. And, because we experienced,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.21,0:23:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the surrounding and the climate on\Nthe ship, is definitely another one, when
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.34,0:23:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a most FLINT crew. So, there is\Nmore space you can give for trust, because
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.05,0:23:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people come and say, when they don't trust\Nthemselves to do something, or when they
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.75,0:23:36.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't feel comfortable with something,\Nthere is much more talking, there is much
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.77,0:23:43.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more reflecting. It's super easy to hand\Nover jobs, when you have a climate that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.22,0:23:51.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allows not to know. When you have a\Nclimate, that allows you to be weak,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.46,0:23:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this is a ship and when it goes\Nout and there's a problem, that no one
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.47,0:23:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said like: "Hoho, I made a mistake, but\Nmaybe I just cover it with something."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.64,0:24:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: No, no, no, don't do it.\NH: Don't do it. And then it's important,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.93,0:24:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that someone comes and says: "I don't know\Nhow to do it." And...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.25,0:24:14.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: Maybe this is at least, what we have\Nseen during the last month, when we were
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.67,0:24:19.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working together on this ship as a new\Ncrew and with many different people coming
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.31,0:24:25.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from different countries, from different\Nenvironments. That - or at least it's my
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.27,0:24:29.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experience, I don't know what \Nabout you? That it was many
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.61,0:24:37.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,times, it were women asking\Nfor help or being less self-confident and
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.94,0:24:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to, like, double check, when it\Nwas, on the other hand, like men always
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.90,0:24:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,jumping in, like, being much more self-\Nconfident and maybe it's for reasons and
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.36,0:24:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's totally fine. But I think this is how\Nwe grew up, how we got educated and what
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.21,0:24:58.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,society teached us, how we should be,\Nlike, women always being or many times,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.94,0:25:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being very or less self-confident than men\Nare. And this is something we try to
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.84,0:25:10.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,challenge on this ship, like, empowering\Nwomen to be at least as self-confident as
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.45,0:25:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the men are, or as the men try to be.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.45,0:25:22.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: Maybe we should come to an end. So, I\Nthink now we are at the point, where we
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.49,0:25:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can talk, like, a lot more about all these\Nlittle lines, that we are crossing every
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.96,0:25:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,day. And it's not just\Nabout {\i1}unintelligible{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.64,0:25:37.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and taking care of the engine room.\NL: We can talk about a lot about the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.18,0:25:41.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,engine, because our chief engineer has to\Nstay off, so he's not here. {\i1}laughs{\i0} We
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.24,0:25:53.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can say a lot about him.\NH: And...but I think for all kinds of
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.96,0:26:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political action, the main thing is that\Nwe have to, we have to stay. And maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.40,0:26:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes we also have to improve it. The\Nenmity with the circumstances and by
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.57,0:26:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keeping the friendship to the world or\Nwith the world. And, so we are trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.25,0:26:23.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,create a kind of an open space, by never\Naccepting any fucking kind of border, that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.37,0:26:29.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is dropping or crossing our waves. So we\Nhave to reflect, we have to force
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.37,0:26:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ourselves to step about this or to cross\Nthis borders, to step over it. And to not
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.18,0:26:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting lost or desperated or frustrated.\NAnd this is what we can be. So, we can
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.28,0:26:47.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,create a space, where even when we are\Nblocked and it always feels kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.74,0:26:51.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,senseless to get to this sucking port,\Nsitting around don't know what you are
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.86,0:26:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing, because why we are sitting here and\Neveryone's talking about all those lovely
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.64,0:27:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pink little ship that tries to challenge\NEuropean borders. We are - in the end - we
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.23,0:27:06.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to say, we are blocked. But somehow we\Nalso have to deal with this frustration
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.84,0:27:10.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have to go on. So, there's no\Npossibility to say, like, OK, they forbid
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.43,0:27:16.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,us to do this - so, we can't accept that,\Nbut at the same time, we have always have
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.13,0:27:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to challenge ourselves. And we always have\Nto support ourselves. And we have to
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.84,0:27:28.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand ourselves as part of a social\Nmovement. And this is, why we really
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.67,0:27:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,appreciate to get some questions from the\Naudience to get something more, than this
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.47,0:27:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,limited space we are living in here.\NL: Yeah, maybe as a conclusion, we can
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.62,0:27:47.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, that we are not only fighting or\Ndreaming of a world without borders
Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.19,0:27:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between countries, but also for a world, \Nor we have this vision of a world without
Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.26,0:28:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,borders between humans in any \Nkind, in any way. Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.12,0:28:08.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: That is a nice way to talk.\NThanks so much for telling us all that.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.56,0:28:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I can relate the virtual applause\Nyou're getting from the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.26,0:28:22.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,audiences. You sadly cannot\Nhear that. But I am sure,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.43,0:28:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's a massive feeling of\Ngratitude and thank you from all of those
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.62,0:28:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are watching. And I've got some\Nquestions for you from the audience. And,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.14,0:28:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we've still got some minutes left, so\Nwhen you have an additional question, use
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.13,0:28:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the IRC, link below the video, or use\NTwitter or the Fediverse using the hashtag
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.51,0:29:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,#rc3one in letters. So hashtag rc number\Nthree letters o, n, e. Then our signal
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.00,0:29:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,angel will put that down in the pad, so I\Ncan ask the question. And the first
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.28,0:29:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question coming in to you, for you is:\N"Have you had any direct confrontation or
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.28,0:29:19.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other experience with Frontex \Nofficers or boats?"
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.57,0:29:30.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: Maybe I can answer the question. So,\Nyes, definitely yes. When we go in to the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.96,0:29:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,center of the Mediterranean Sea, when \Nyou go, yeah, in front of the coast of
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.47,0:29:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Libya, for example, you can basically\Nnearly every day see Frontex airplanes
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.85,0:29:51.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crossing, like, searching for boats,\Nsearching for NGOs; what the hell are they
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.79,0:30:00.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing there. And, yeah, so it's from what\NI experienced during the missions, I went
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.09,0:30:06.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on, it was mainly airplanes, that were\Nsearching for, for example, boats in
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.39,0:30:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distress or people on the move and giving\Nthis information unfortunately not to NGO
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.61,0:30:17.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ships, for example, or informing\Ncoastguards in the way like, OK, those
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.82,0:30:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people need help, but informing, for\Nexample, the so-called Libyan coast guard
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.33,0:30:29.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to go there to push the people back. And\Nthat's definitely one of the main
Dialogue: 0,0:30:29.88,0:30:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experiences I make with the Frontex. Like\Norganizing illegal pushbacks.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.44,0:30:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Most of it was plane sightings and\Nnot direct contact with personnel or ships
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.52,0:30:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in touching distance. OK, so the next\Nquestion is more of a technical side.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.54,0:31:05.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the core of the question was about\Nhow to grade situations, but I'm trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.39,0:31:11.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,read that out, I think something is lost\Nin the translation. I hope you see what
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.77,0:31:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that means, but take it in good-meant\Nspirit. How do you define a maritime
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.12,0:31:27.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emergency / ship wreckage? Do \Nyou already take action for a dinghy with
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.73,0:31:34.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a working motor and rescue them? Or is it \Nonly about situations where people's lives
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.61,0:31:40.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is crucially endangered? Is there some\Nguideline that you can...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.67,0:31:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh!\NL: Great.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.66,0:31:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: What's happened, Toto? Yes.\NH: He was asking a question...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.45,0:32:01.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: If this is our Internet, now \Nwe can just sit here.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:01.47,0:32:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: No, I think it's not our Internet, I think \Nit's just the audio signal.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.92,0:32:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: I just saw the chat explode, \Nwith all the technical stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:54.49,0:33:02.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: I have so many good questions I\Nwould like to ask, but yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.76,0:33:06.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technicalities are the great dictator and\Nwe are allowed to go four minutes over,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.93,0:33:20.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right Toto? I'm preparing to go four minutes\Nover. When will we ever be back?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.63,0:34:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Give me a go and then I start.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.21,0:34:38.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So second question, so maybe something\Nis lost in the translation,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:38.45,0:34:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but take it in a good\Nspirit. This is about technicalities. How
Dialogue: 0,0:34:43.82,0:34:52.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you define a maritime emergency/ship\Nwreckage? Do you already take action for a
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.68,0:34:57.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dinghy with a working motor and rescue\Nthem? Or is it only about situations where
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.41,0:35:04.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people's life is crucially endangered?\NH: As soon as you enter the central
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.89,0:35:11.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mediterranean Sea and try to make it from\Ne.g. Libya to Italy with a dinghy, with a
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.83,0:35:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,small engine, even if it's working, it's a\Ndistress case.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.78,0:35:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Yeah, OK.\NL: Yeah. And to be honest, it's not only
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.73,0:35:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if the engine is broken down or there's\Nalready water coming in, but those
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.17,0:35:30.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dinghies are normally super crowded. And\Nyou never know about the weather coming up
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.85,0:35:35.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because me personally, I always have this\Nidea of the beautiful central
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.41,0:35:39.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mediterranean Sea with nice weather, no\Nwaves at all. But that's definitely not
Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.55,0:35:47.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the case. So, um, yeah, I think it's not\Nalways about this super dramatic scenes,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.63,0:35:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as Hanah said, as soon as you enter\Nthose boats, this is not a good idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.40,0:35:57.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: And and it's quite a distance and\Nit would take several days to get there
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.61,0:36:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right? So it is it is not a pleasure\Ncruise or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:02.11,0:36:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: No, I would not say so, not in general.\NHerald: OK, next question. Is the crew
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.01,0:36:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also trying to overcome hierarchies on\Nboard, are they trying to find structures
Dialogue: 0,0:36:15.08,0:36:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that work without classical captains etc.?\NL & H: Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.07,0:36:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: And, I'm sorry. Go ahead.\NH: So there is, there is a legal side of
Dialogue: 0,0:36:27.63,0:36:33.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the things. And so when the ship is on the\Nsea and when it's operating, the person
Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.66,0:36:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is responsible is always the captain.\NSo the person who's facing all the legal
Dialogue: 0,0:36:38.53,0:36:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consequences are those in powerful\Npositions. And this is something that we
Dialogue: 0,0:36:42.64,0:36:49.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to keep in mind. But for all\Ndecisions that are made on the ship, it's
Dialogue: 0,0:36:49.06,0:36:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not up to the captain or the leader who's\Nthe coordination on the mission or to the
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.23,0:37:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,few powerful positions we have, the\Ndecisions get made by all, and we are
Dialogue: 0,0:37:06.18,0:37:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to keep it as flat as possible. And\Nof course, everyone's allowed also to say
Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.79,0:37:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his or her opinion and it's going to be\Nacknowledged.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.66,0:37:27.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: But we have to be honest about that, we\Nhave to challenge ourselves to make this
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.58,0:37:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,running, to work with this flat hierarchy.\NYeah, we are on it, we are far from
Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.87,0:37:38.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perfect, but we are trying to improve\Nourselves every day.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.75,0:37:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Good. OK, the nice people of the\Nsignal angel crowd have written me down
Dialogue: 0,0:37:48.51,0:37:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another question. Has there been other\Nattempts to sabotage your work except the
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.16,0:37:58.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,legal challenges of the ship license,\Nmaybe attempts to distract you from
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.97,0:38:05.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,complicated work, maybe even algorithmic\Ndriven behavior recognition or something?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.34,0:38:11.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is more of a technical question.\NH: I think I didn't really get the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.99,0:38:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question. But to be honest, this legal\Nside of things is quite effective. So
Dialogue: 0,0:38:17.67,0:38:22.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was once the question of we can't\Njust leave as a pirate ship without a
Dialogue: 0,0:38:22.08,0:38:35.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flag. And if we do so and that's an\Ninvitation for all armed forces to enter
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.51,0:38:41.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our ship. And this is quite effective. And\NI think the main problem is with all kinds
Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.15,0:38:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of repression. And that's how police also\Nworks and is that it is not just trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:38:48.31,0:38:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,block you or to sanction you, but it's\Nalso about destroying structures. And this
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.38,0:38:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is what we have to work on and all the\Nstructures we are organizing to not let
Dialogue: 0,0:38:58.71,0:39:03.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them destroy our networks, our\Nconnections, our relations and everything
Dialogue: 0,0:39:03.49,0:39:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,else.\NHerald: OK, so this legal action works
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.80,0:39:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really, really well. So the idea of I've\Ngiven some context for this. Do you think
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.98,0:39:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you're constantly surveyed by others\Nso that they can throw sticks into the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.01,0:39:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spinning wheels?\NL: We definitely have to keep this in mind
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.96,0:39:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the time. We would not talk about very\Nsensitive stuff or we are trying very hard
Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.35,0:39:43.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to protect our data. But we are not sure\Nabout this, but we have to keep this in
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.71,0:39:49.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mind. I'll be keeping this in mind.\NHerald: And that's another question about
Dialogue: 0,0:39:49.96,0:39:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hierarchy on board. More specifically\Nwhat decision making processes do you use
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.50,0:39:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on board? Do you want to give us some\Ninsight on that?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.75,0:40:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: Yes, of course. We do, we are organized\Nwith a small crew, like a core crew, who's
Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.71,0:40:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coordinating and is also kind of decision\Nmaking. This is sometimes a problem, but
Dialogue: 0,0:40:11.36,0:40:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ship always works independently of\Nit's core crew. And the crew who is
Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.92,0:40:24.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involved is organizing themselves so they\Ncan have a very structured day, like every
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.02,0:40:29.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,day morning meetings or try to find other\Nways to at the moment, the situation with
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.55,0:40:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the current crew is that we have our\Nconstruction sites that we are working on,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:35.64,0:40:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but everyone is free to organize\Nthemselves. If they want to work up to 11
Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.30,0:40:42.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the evening, they're more than welcome.\NBut we will stop them at some point
Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.37,0:40:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we don't want, we have an anti burn\Nout policy. So then they also have to start
Dialogue: 0,0:40:48.60,0:40:59.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,later. So, no, we don't really have a\Nplan, but we are trying to give the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.05,0:41:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communication to those or the organization\Nto those who are doing it. That means the
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.24,0:41:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ship organizes itself and the core crew\Nis trying to to take care of all the
Dialogue: 0,0:41:10.00,0:41:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organizational side of the things. That\Nmeans caring about money, about
Dialogue: 0,0:41:16.68,0:41:26.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,registration, the legal aspects. But at\Nleast we are always giving a big part of
Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.65,0:41:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our responsibilities that we have as a\Ncore crew at the moment. And they wanted me
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.48,0:41:36.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a part of the core crew. And the ship crew\Nis doing their own organization together
Dialogue: 0,0:41:36.04,0:41:43.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with us. So, yeah.\NHerald: Yeah. For information for the
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.71,0:41:49.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,studio, I'm planning to go four minutes\Nover and I'm already one over. So there's
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.09,0:41:57.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,room for two more questions. After having\Nrescued people do you social distance them
Dialogue: 0,0:41:57.33,0:42:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of their unknown health status.\NThis is a Corona related one.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:04.92,0:42:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: Yeah. Lovely. I'm so happy to talk\Nabout this.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:07.46,0:42:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Aren't we all.\NL: Yeah, great. Finally. So after the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.83,0:42:26.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rescue we try to wear masks and to hand\Nover masks to our guests and for sure the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.61,0:42:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guests, they had to, it was mandatory for\Nthem to quarantine when they came on land
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.47,0:42:37.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Italy. And we tried to make everything\Npossible to keep the guests healthy, like
Dialogue: 0,0:42:37.85,0:42:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protecting them from our possible\Ninfection, but also trying to protect the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:42.57,0:42:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crew from getting infected. So this is a\Nsmall boat. We have to be realistic. It's
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.82,0:42:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not possible to social distance like two\Nmeters like there is no way. But we do
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.28,0:42:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything possible to protect us and\Nother people.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.07,0:43:06.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: And I think we have to add to this,\Nthat this corona thing is used from the
Dialogue: 0,0:43:06.39,0:43:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authorities to stop us because they say\Nit's not possible on some NGO ships to
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.34,0:43:24.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keep the social distance, to ban [us]. And\Nto be honest, when you look at the
Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.63,0:43:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,situation on the Mediterranean Sea, when\Nyou have a question about drowning or
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.13,0:43:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spreading Corona, I would prefer spreading\NCorona. Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:32.21,0:43:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: So we we think Corona should not be an\Nexcuse to close harbors or to block ships
Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.68,0:43:46.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because as you all know treat first what\Nkills first and drowning kills you first.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.87,0:43:52.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Corona is quite a bad thing and very\Nserious, but it should not be an excuse to
Dialogue: 0,0:43:52.31,0:44:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,close our borders.\NHerald: And follow up on that. You said in
Dialogue: 0,0:44:01.03,0:44:09.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your talk that the Louise Michel is a safe\Nspace. Do you advertise or announce this
Dialogue: 0,0:44:09.03,0:44:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in any way when you rescue somebody? Do\Nyou have a standard procedure where you
Dialogue: 0,0:44:17.58,0:44:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, listen, this is a little bit\Ndifferent as other ships or something like
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.59,0:44:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that? Or how do you approach those you are\Nrescuing and inform them about that? I
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.13,0:44:32.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think it's not the first step. But how do\Nyou do this kind of information?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.62,0:44:38.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: I would just say first that we are not\Na safe space, but we are trying to get as
Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.62,0:44:43.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,close as possible. And the rest I have to\Nhand over to Leona.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:43.95,0:44:48.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,L: We are definitely talking to our guests\Nabout this, telling them that we are
Dialogue: 0,0:44:48.81,0:44:57.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,living very close on a very small space\Nand that this is a safe space. So there's
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.44,0:45:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no place for racism or any kind of\Ndiscrimination, weapons, drugs whatsoever.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:02.86,0:45:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is definitely a topic and it works\Nat least what I experience, It's it wasn't
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.38,0:45:15.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a problem at all. So there was a huge\Nrespect from the people on the move and
Dialogue: 0,0:45:15.91,0:45:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the crew among each other. That was\Ngreat to see.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:20.70,0:45:31.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: So our time is up. Thank you so\Nmuch for coming to us live from the boat
Dialogue: 0,0:45:31.43,0:45:39.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Louise Michel. It was a pleasure. And now\Nit is my great pleasure to hand over to
Dialogue: 0,0:45:39.61,0:45:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Herald news show, which will be live\Nfrom Bielefeld Heideblümchen. And, see you
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.87,0:45:51.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the next talk. Bye.\NL: Thank you. Bye.
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