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section for this talk "The Mission of the
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now the upcoming talk is "The Mission of
the MV Louise Michel". Feminism will be
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antiracist or it won't be. Search and
rescue is not standing for...SAR is not
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standing for search and rescue, as going
by the Louise Michelle crew, it also
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stands for solidarity and resistance. The
talk will be about the mission of the
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rescue vessel Louise Michel and why
smashing borders won't work without
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smashing the patriarchy and the other way
around. The talk is given by a small group
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of people who run together with many
others the high speed lifeboat MV Louise
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Michel, which patrols the Mediterranean.
And now let's go live to the bridge of the
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Louise Michel. The stage is yours.
Hannah: Hello. Thanks a lot for the invitation
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to have a slot at the CCC 2020. Although
we have almost no time to...for
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preparation. But we are anyway happy to
sit here today and give you a small impact
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about what the Louise Michel project is or
can be. So, there is much more than could
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be said in 40 minutes. So hello everyone.
We are sitting on the bridge of the lovely
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Louise Michel. At the moment we have 6
crew on boards. And here in the
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room are Leona, Anouk, Yakob, Lorence and
me, I'm Hannah. And we will give you a
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short introduction about what the project
has been done in the last 12 to 14 months.
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And then we will try to make a slight
switch and talk about mostly
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sexist boundaries.
Leona: So, yes, maybe many of you already
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heard, this ship is a search and rescue
ship. And was bought nearly one year ago.
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It all started with Banksy writing an
email to Pia Klemp, offering a ship. And
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then after a few discussions, the ship was
bought and a group of a few people put
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many work, many effort in it to prepare a
former navy French navy ship into a search
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and rescue vessel. The preparation when
nearly all of them were done in France and
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the ship was brought then to Burriana in
Spain. And, turned from a French navy boat
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into...a pink disaster. laughs Is now again in
Burriana, Spain. We left for our first
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mission on the 5th...of the 18th of
August. Went to the central Mediterranean
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Sea in front of the Libyan coast. And we
were involved of rescuing almost 300
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people. And after returning to Spain, the
ship didn't get detained or didn't get
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seized, what we kindly or we were
expecting this. So we aren't detained, but the ship is
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blocked. And now after the first mission,
a group of people decided to keep the ship
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to get the ship ready again for the next
mission. And that's basically what we are
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working on right now. Like getting a new
registration, because Louise Michel was
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registered as a so-called pleasure craft,
as a motor yacht, which was no problem at
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all, because it's obviously a pleasure
craft and the motor yacht. So as long as
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authorities...well...they didn't know that
we were supposed to do a search and
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rescue, it was no problem at all. But
after they found out that we are doing
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search and rescue, we lost our
registration. And are now working on
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getting a new one to be able to sail
again. And yeah, so we are now in harbour,
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doing shipyard time. That means preparing
the ship, working on problems, fixing
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stuff that needs to be fixed on the ship,
which is quite a lot. And yeah, also doing
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a lot of paperwork, because as many of you
also may know, search and rescue is very
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political and there are many political
issues...let's call it like this...that
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needs to be fixed. Many stones are...they
are put in our way. And yeah, that's what
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we're working on right now.
H: In the short description was
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already said, that we don't understand
SAR, that normally stands for search and
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rescue. That we understand this SAR as
solidarity and resistance. That
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means...all of what we are trying to say
with this, is that we are not standing our
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activism or our acting not as a
humanitarian thing, but as political. And
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this is inspired by the central critique,
that humanitarian work, which is just to
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say this kind of short. The other medal
or the other side of the same medal. So
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humanitarian work tries to milder what
capitalism, patriarchy or racism do to and
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with the world. And so, it makes the shit
that's going on looking better. But it's
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making invisible what all these structures
of power cause. So this is racism,
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this is death. This is...they make the
structures of inequality and power
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invisible.
L: And this is kind of what also our
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project is about, not only going to sea
saving lives, because the - obviously -
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the EU is not willing or...mean they are
definitely...they would be able to do it,
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but they are not willing to save lives or
to stop people from drowning. So, we are
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definitely...this is part of our project,
but part of our project, the main part of
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our project is definitely to put some
effort in changing the whole system,
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because as Hannah already said, like
capitalism and definitely racism, they
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cause the death, that we can see at our
borders, especially in the Mediterranean
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Sea. So without capitalism, without racism
and also without the patriarchy, there
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would be not such a problem. Like there
wouldn't be so many people drowning at
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sea. And this is that, what we mainly
understand, what we should do...like,
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bringing effort in changing the system.
H: And that also means, that our actions
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have to be followed by the adults and they
have to be reflected. We have to reflect
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on what we are doing and not get caught by
this stupid game, all this disgusting
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game, that is played by national states,
by the European Union, or by all those
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authorities, who are trying to force us to
work on stupid registrations. So what the
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main situation is, for us and also for all
other rescue ships is, that we are
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blocked, that we are hindered, that the
European Union stopped all their rescue
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programs they had. The central
Mediterranean is still the most deadly
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border in the world, but it's not the only
deadly border in the world. Borders at all
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are killing and causing death and torture
and suffering. And the borders are
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imaginary lines. Or boundaries are
imaginary lines, that have been set up at
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some point. And so it makes the people
believe, that there is something, that has
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to be protected...by the national borders
or the borders of states are not the only
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borders we are struggling with. And there
are also borders between, or boundaries that
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we have to cross, like gender, like
racism, like capitalism, like
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inequality...Maybe I can hand over.
L: Like what Hannah already said, like the
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boundaries not only exist between
countries and states or even continents,
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but also between human beings, between
people. And this is something we are also
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seeing like a lot on ships. All of us
worked on different kind of ships. And
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we've seen a lot of borders, a lot of
boundaries, whether they were quite
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visible or most of them were more
invisible between people. And the reason
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for that, or the reasons for those
boundaries, I think...you said them
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already, are mostly gender, are the color
of the skin of people, the level of
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education people have. And all this stuff
is causing boundaries between people and
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borders between people. And we, as a
political project, not we are not only
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trying to fight the borders between
countries and helping, or we're trying to
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put effort in helping people across those
borders between countries, but also
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helping people and forcing...not only
forcing, but...challenging ourselves to
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cross those borders, that society teached
us to live within. So, we are also trying
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to...as I said, help people, but also
challenging ourselves to cross those
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borders that exists in our head and that
are very invisible from time to time. But
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when you work as a crew, they get...you
can feel them, you can't see them, but you
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can feel them.
H: And this is maybe something that we can
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say as one of our main understanding.
So, we don't see, when we talk about
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migration or when we talk about people on
the move, so, migration is everything.
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It's also migration, when I move from
Berlin to Spain, because I think I like
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the beautiful, all the warm weather more.
This is also migration, there's nothing
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like this.
L: And I mean, the weather is quite nice.
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We are in Spain right now and it's just
wonderful to be here. laughs
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H: But this is also migration. Migration
is also when you move from the landscape
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or from land side to the city. But it's
not framed as migration. And I think
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there...it's always a difficulty to go
somewhere else. And people who are
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crossing the borders of the European
Union, we don't understand this as fleeing
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people, who need our urgent help and
support. But we understand this
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movement, there's a kind of challenging
borders. So, because I don't accept these
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imaginary lines, that they were told, that
they are not allowed to cross. Freedom of
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movement is a basic right of human beings
and should be like this. And this is
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something, that we should stand for. And
so then the people always say like, OK,
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there is e.g. an institution like Frontex,
that is a policing, military organization.
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And in 2011, they were told to accept a
new rule. That means they are not allowed
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to do pushbacks. Because they do
pushbacks. But what else do we expect? So,
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we have someone who is controlling
borders. We expect that these people
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controlling borders will say to someone,
who wants to cross it: "Oh, you're not
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allowed". And they expect, that the
opposite will say: "Ahja, cool...I will go
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home again." That's not how it works. And
this leads to a situation of violence,
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because as soon as this border is not
accepted and someone crosses anyway it
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will have an effect.
And that's, what we are facing
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at the moment and at the very
moment where - sorry, I need
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a second, I lost my point. laughing
L: You were talking about the moment that
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people cross borders without having the
permission to cross them.
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H: Yeah, but I lost it. It's just gone.
L: laughs so, maybe I can jump in until
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Hannah finds her point and I think her
point was pretty good. So, I would love
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her to get back to that. But, when we were
preparing this talk, we also talked about,
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who was even able to draw the lines as
borders. Like, for example, Frontex is
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"protecting" the border between, for
example, African states and European
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states. And, but there are so many other
borders. And we figured out in our heads,
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that it's always the most powerful
position, who is able to draw those lines
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as borders. And when it comes to borders
or boundaries between people, that it's
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also, again, the most powerful, powerful
position that is drawing this line. And
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this should be changed. So it should not
be these powerful persons deciding, where
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the boundaries or the borders are and who
is allowed to live within which border,
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like...for example, cis man decides this
is the border between a male and a female
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person, who's deciding this. This is just
stupid and same for borders between
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countries like European states is
deciding, so this is the line and I'm a
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European person, so I'm allowed to live
within this line and all of you should
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just fuck off and stay outside. And you
can just put this into many, many
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different situations, I think.
H: Borders are a matter of distinction and
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it separates people from each other. So,
while it is saying you are different than
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me? Because you are male and this is a
female or because you are white and black
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and that's your passport and that's your
passport. And maybe you don't even have a
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passport. And we are mostly talking in our
crew about gendered borders, about - and
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this is something that makes sense, when
we are understands a ship as a place or as
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a space of hierarchy, of patriarchy. That
is, so it brings bad luck, when you have
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a woman on board. That's the story that's
told. And we have this talk also
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yesterday, that we have a funny fireball,
that you can throw into the fire, when
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there is a fire and then will explode. And
there's a picture on it and you see a male
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who is throwing, like, very nice and
slightly into a fire.
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L: He's definitely the hero of the
situation.
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H: As it is. And there's also a pictogram
of a woman. And she's putting this ball
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from the top into burning oil.
L: Very nicely.
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H: Very nicely and she's smiling. And this
stands for something, that we are facing,
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when we, as not cis males, enter a space,
like a ship. We notice so every day, that
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we are kind of in the wrong place. We
notice that it's a different, when you go
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alone through a port. We have all these
visible things, that we can talk about.
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So, when you have a male chief engineer, it's
a male chief engineer and you can say this
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is a powerful position. But there are so
many things, that you can't see that clearly.
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L: Yeah. So they are these visible
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boundaries, but also like invisible
boundaries. So we were also talking about,
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what is changing, when you have, for
example, cis men coming on board the ship.
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What does this create, like what feelings
change and how feelings change and how
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behavior also changes? And what does
it make with the whole crew? Maybe all of
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you also have situations in mind, when you
were only, for example, cis females or
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FLINT persons in a project or in a room
and how this was, how you were working
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together? How you were living together?
And as soon as cis man is entering the
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room, the project, how this is changing.
And this is also about boundaries between
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people, I think.
H: And it's challenging us a lot. So,
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always, when we try to crew mostly FLINT
people. So, we try to turn the
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usual...what is a Normalverteilung
(German, Gaussian Distribution)?
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L: The usual Normalverteilung
(German), sorry for the English speaking
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persons. laughs. L: I've no idea.
H: So, usually these rooms are structured,
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that if you have women on board or FLINT
people on board. That you have one or two
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and the rest of cis men. And we try...
L: And, maybe also saying, that on many,
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many ships, the FLINT person is doing the
crew care, or the, for NGO ships, it's
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the guest care positions. Like many
medical departments are made of, we can
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say it, like of women and guest care and
crew care is, like are mostly female
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positions. But when it comes to engineers
or captain or officer positions, this is
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mainly cis male position.
unintelligible
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H: And that was what I was about to say. So,
we are doing crewing for the ship and we
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try to crew mostly FLINTs persons. And,
that also means, that we can open the doors.
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Although we are kind of the door keepers
and we can open the doors for those
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people, who usually have it much more
difficult to enter such a project or to
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enter such positions, that they can take
over, when they are entering Louise
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Michel. But of course, that's the story
about being exclusive. And we have, we are
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struggling a lot with the fact, that we
are still working in a surrounding, that
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is super masculine dominated. So, always
when we are looking for people, who can
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take over the powerful positions, like
being a captain, an officer, a chief
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engineer. We are having a wide range of
cis men, who offer their support. But on
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the other side, there's no one.
And this is something that is
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really a problem. And it takes
us much time to deal with the
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situation, because we really want
to stick to this idea of creating a kind
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of, as possible as that could be, a kind of
safe space. And, because we experienced,
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that the surrounding and the climate on
the ship, is definitely another one, when
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you have a most FLINT crew. So, there is
more space you can give for trust, because
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people come and say, when they don't trust
themselves to do something, or when they
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don't feel comfortable with something,
there is much more talking, there is much
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more reflecting. It's super easy to hand
over jobs, when you have a climate that
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allows not to know. When you have a
climate, that allows you to be weak,
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because this is a ship and when it goes
out and there's a problem, that no one
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said like: "Hoho, I made a mistake, but
maybe I just cover it with something."
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L: No, no, no, don't do it.
H: Don't do it. And then it's important,
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that someone comes and says: "I don't know
how to do it." And...
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L: Maybe this is at least, what we have
seen during the last month, when we were
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working together on this ship as a new
crew and with many different people coming
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from different countries, from different
environments. That - or at least it's my
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experience, I don't know what
about you? That it was many
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times, it were women asking
for help or being less self-confident and
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trying to, like, double check, when it
was, on the other hand, like men always
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jumping in, like, being much more self-
confident and maybe it's for reasons and
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it's totally fine. But I think this is how
we grew up, how we got educated and what
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society teached us, how we should be,
like, women always being or many times,
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being very or less self-confident than men
are. And this is something we try to
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challenge on this ship, like, empowering
women to be at least as self-confident as
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the men are, or as the men try to be.
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H: Maybe we should come to an end. So, I
think now we are at the point, where we
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can talk, like, a lot more about all these
little lines, that we are crossing every
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day. And it's not just
about unintelligible
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and taking care of the engine room.
L: We can talk about a lot about the
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engine, because our chief engineer has to
stay off, so he's not here. laughs We
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can say a lot about him.
H: And...but I think for all kinds of
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political action, the main thing is that
we have to, we have to stay. And maybe
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sometimes we also have to improve it. The
enmity with the circumstances and by
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keeping the friendship to the world or
with the world. And, so we are trying to
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create a kind of an open space, by never
accepting any fucking kind of border, that
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is dropping or crossing our waves. So we
have to reflect, we have to force
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ourselves to step about this or to cross
this borders, to step over it. And to not
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getting lost or desperated or frustrated.
And this is what we can be. So, we can
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create a space, where even when we are
blocked and it always feels kind of
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senseless to get to this sucking port,
sitting around don't know what you are
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doing, because why we are sitting here and
everyone's talking about all those lovely
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pink little ship that tries to challenge
European borders. We are - in the end - we
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have to say, we are blocked. But somehow we
also have to deal with this frustration
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and we have to go on. So, there's no
possibility to say, like, OK, they forbid
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us to do this - so, we can't accept that,
but at the same time, we have always have
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to challenge ourselves. And we always have
to support ourselves. And we have to
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understand ourselves as part of a social
movement. And this is, why we really
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appreciate to get some questions from the
audience to get something more, than this
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limited space we are living in here.
L: Yeah, maybe as a conclusion, we can
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say, that we are not only fighting or
dreaming of a world without borders
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between countries, but also for a world,
or we have this vision of a world without
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borders between humans in any
kind, in any way. Thank you.
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Herald: That is a nice way to talk.
Thanks so much for telling us all that.
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And I can relate the virtual applause
you're getting from the
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audiences. You sadly cannot
hear that. But I am sure,
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that there's a massive feeling of
gratitude and thank you from all of those
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who are watching. And I've got some
questions for you from the audience. And,
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if we've still got some minutes left, so
when you have an additional question, use
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the IRC, link below the video, or use
Twitter or the Fediverse using the hashtag
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#rc3one in letters. So hashtag rc number
three letters o, n, e. Then our signal
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angel will put that down in the pad, so I
can ask the question. And the first
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question coming in to you, for you is:
"Have you had any direct confrontation or
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other experience with Frontex
officers or boats?"
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L: Maybe I can answer the question. So,
yes, definitely yes. When we go in to the
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center of the Mediterranean Sea, when
you go, yeah, in front of the coast of
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Libya, for example, you can basically
nearly every day see Frontex airplanes
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crossing, like, searching for boats,
searching for NGOs; what the hell are they
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doing there. And, yeah, so it's from what
I experienced during the missions, I went
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on, it was mainly airplanes, that were
searching for, for example, boats in
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distress or people on the move and giving
this information unfortunately not to NGO
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ships, for example, or informing
coastguards in the way like, OK, those
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people need help, but informing, for
example, the so-called Libyan coast guard
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to go there to push the people back. And
that's definitely one of the main
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experiences I make with the Frontex. Like
organizing illegal pushbacks.
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Herald: Most of it was plane sightings and
not direct contact with personnel or ships
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in touching distance. OK, so the next
question is more of a technical side.
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I think the core of the question was about
how to grade situations, but I'm trying to
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read that out, I think something is lost
in the translation. I hope you see what
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that means, but take it in good-meant
spirit. How do you define a maritime
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emergency / ship wreckage? Do
you already take action for a dinghy with
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a working motor and rescue them? Or is it
only about situations where people's lives
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is crucially endangered? Is there some
guideline that you can...
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L: Great.
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Herald: What's happened, Toto? Yes.
H: He was asking a question...
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L: If this is our Internet, now
we can just sit here.
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H: No, I think it's not our Internet, I think
it's just the audio signal.
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Herald: I just saw the chat explode,
with all the technical stuff.
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Herald: I have so many good questions I
would like to ask, but yeah,
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technicalities are the great dictator and
we are allowed to go four minutes over,
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right Toto? I'm preparing to go four minutes
over. When will we ever be back?
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Give me a go and then I start.
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So second question, so maybe something
is lost in the translation,
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but take it in a good
spirit. This is about technicalities. How
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do you define a maritime emergency/ship
wreckage? Do you already take action for a
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dinghy with a working motor and rescue
them? Or is it only about situations where
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people's life is crucially endangered?
H: As soon as you enter the central
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Mediterranean Sea and try to make it from
e.g. Libya to Italy with a dinghy, with a
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small engine, even if it's working, it's a
distress case.
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Herald: Yeah, OK.
L: Yeah. And to be honest, it's not only
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if the engine is broken down or there's
already water coming in, but those
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dinghies are normally super crowded. And
you never know about the weather coming up
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because me personally, I always have this
idea of the beautiful central
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Mediterranean Sea with nice weather, no
waves at all. But that's definitely not
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the case. So, um, yeah, I think it's not
always about this super dramatic scenes,
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but as Hanah said, as soon as you enter
those boats, this is not a good idea.
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Herald: And and it's quite a distance and
it would take several days to get there
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right? So it is it is not a pleasure
cruise or something.
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L: No, I would not say so, not in general.
Herald: OK, next question. Is the crew
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also trying to overcome hierarchies on
board, are they trying to find structures
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that work without classical captains etc.?
L & H: Yes.
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Herald: And, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
H: So there is, there is a legal side of
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the things. And so when the ship is on the
sea and when it's operating, the person
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who is responsible is always the captain.
So the person who's facing all the legal
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consequences are those in powerful
positions. And this is something that we
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have to keep in mind. But for all
decisions that are made on the ship, it's
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not up to the captain or the leader who's
the coordination on the mission or to the
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few powerful positions we have, the
decisions get made by all, and we are
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trying to keep it as flat as possible. And
of course, everyone's allowed also to say
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his or her opinion and it's going to be
acknowledged.
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L: But we have to be honest about that, we
have to challenge ourselves to make this
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running, to work with this flat hierarchy.
Yeah, we are on it, we are far from
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perfect, but we are trying to improve
ourselves every day.
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Herald: Good. OK, the nice people of the
signal angel crowd have written me down
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another question. Has there been other
attempts to sabotage your work except the
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legal challenges of the ship license,
maybe attempts to distract you from
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complicated work, maybe even algorithmic
driven behavior recognition or something?
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This is more of a technical question.
H: I think I didn't really get the
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question. But to be honest, this legal
side of things is quite effective. So
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there was once the question of we can't
just leave as a pirate ship without a
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flag. And if we do so and that's an
invitation for all armed forces to enter
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our ship. And this is quite effective. And
I think the main problem is with all kinds
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of repression. And that's how police also
works and is that it is not just trying to
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block you or to sanction you, but it's
also about destroying structures. And this
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is what we have to work on and all the
structures we are organizing to not let
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them destroy our networks, our
connections, our relations and everything
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else.
Herald: OK, so this legal action works
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really, really well. So the idea of I've
given some context for this. Do you think
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that you're constantly surveyed by others
so that they can throw sticks into the
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spinning wheels?
L: We definitely have to keep this in mind
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all the time. We would not talk about very
sensitive stuff or we are trying very hard
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to protect our data. But we are not sure
about this, but we have to keep this in
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mind. I'll be keeping this in mind.
Herald: And that's another question about
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the hierarchy on board. More specifically
what decision making processes do you use
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on board? Do you want to give us some
insight on that?
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H: Yes, of course. We do, we are organized
with a small crew, like a core crew, who's
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coordinating and is also kind of decision
making. This is sometimes a problem, but
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the ship always works independently of
it's core crew. And the crew who is
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involved is organizing themselves so they
can have a very structured day, like every
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day morning meetings or try to find other
ways to at the moment, the situation with
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the current crew is that we have our
construction sites that we are working on,
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but everyone is free to organize
themselves. If they want to work up to 11
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in the evening, they're more than welcome.
But we will stop them at some point
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because we don't want, we have an anti burn
out policy. So then they also have to start
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later. So, no, we don't really have a
plan, but we are trying to give the
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communication to those or the organization
to those who are doing it. That means the
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ship organizes itself and the core crew
is trying to to take care of all the
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organizational side of the things. That
means caring about money, about
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registration, the legal aspects. But at
least we are always giving a big part of
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our responsibilities that we have as a
core crew at the moment. And they wanted me
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a part of the core crew. And the ship crew
is doing their own organization together
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with us. So, yeah.
Herald: Yeah. For information for the
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studio, I'm planning to go four minutes
over and I'm already one over. So there's
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room for two more questions. After having
rescued people do you social distance them
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because of their unknown health status.
This is a Corona related one.
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L: Yeah. Lovely. I'm so happy to talk
about this.
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Herald: Aren't we all.
L: Yeah, great. Finally. So after the
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rescue we try to wear masks and to hand
over masks to our guests and for sure the
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guests, they had to, it was mandatory for
them to quarantine when they came on land
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in Italy. And we tried to make everything
possible to keep the guests healthy, like
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protecting them from our possible
infection, but also trying to protect the
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crew from getting infected. So this is a
small boat. We have to be realistic. It's
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not possible to social distance like two
meters like there is no way. But we do
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everything possible to protect us and
other people.
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H: And I think we have to add to this,
that this corona thing is used from the
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authorities to stop us because they say
it's not possible on some NGO ships to
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keep the social distance, to ban [us]. And
to be honest, when you look at the
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situation on the Mediterranean Sea, when
you have a question about drowning or
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spreading Corona, I would prefer spreading
Corona. Yeah.
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L: So we we think Corona should not be an
excuse to close harbors or to block ships
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because as you all know treat first what
kills first and drowning kills you first.
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And Corona is quite a bad thing and very
serious, but it should not be an excuse to
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close our borders.
Herald: And follow up on that. You said in
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your talk that the Louise Michel is a safe
space. Do you advertise or announce this
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in any way when you rescue somebody? Do
you have a standard procedure where you
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say, listen, this is a little bit
different as other ships or something like
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that? Or how do you approach those you are
rescuing and inform them about that? I
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think it's not the first step. But how do
you do this kind of information?
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H: I would just say first that we are not
a safe space, but we are trying to get as
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close as possible. And the rest I have to
hand over to Leona.
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L: We are definitely talking to our guests
about this, telling them that we are
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living very close on a very small space
and that this is a safe space. So there's
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no place for racism or any kind of
discrimination, weapons, drugs whatsoever.
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So this is definitely a topic and it works
at least what I experience, It's it wasn't
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a problem at all. So there was a huge
respect from the people on the move and
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from the crew among each other. That was
great to see.
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Herald: So our time is up. Thank you so
much for coming to us live from the boat
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Louise Michel. It was a pleasure. And now
it is my great pleasure to hand over to
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the Herald news show, which will be live
from Bielefeld Heideblümchen. And, see you
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in the next talk. Bye.
L: Thank you. Bye.
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