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And when you want to leave us a question, use the IRC 11 00:01:29,780 --> 00:01:35,680 channel which is also linked below or go to Twitter or the fediverse, using the 12 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:48,700 hashtag #rc3one. That is rc number 3 letter o letter n letter e: rc3one. And 13 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:55,280 now the upcoming talk is "The Mission of the MV Louise Michel". Feminism will be 14 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:03,590 antiracist or it won't be. Search and rescue is not standing for...SAR is not 15 00:02:03,590 --> 00:02:08,979 standing for search and rescue, as going by the Louise Michelle crew, it also 16 00:02:08,979 --> 00:02:15,620 stands for solidarity and resistance. The talk will be about the mission of the 17 00:02:15,620 --> 00:02:20,080 rescue vessel Louise Michel and why smashing borders won't work without 18 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,650 smashing the patriarchy and the other way around. The talk is given by a small group 19 00:02:25,650 --> 00:02:31,580 of people who run together with many others the high speed lifeboat MV Louise 20 00:02:31,580 --> 00:02:40,230 Michel, which patrols the Mediterranean. And now let's go live to the bridge of the 21 00:02:40,230 --> 00:02:47,730 Louise Michel. The stage is yours. Hannah: Hello. Thanks a lot for the invitation 22 00:02:47,730 --> 00:02:55,030 to have a slot at the CCC 2020. Although we have almost no time to...for 23 00:02:55,030 --> 00:03:00,700 preparation. But we are anyway happy to sit here today and give you a small impact 24 00:03:00,700 --> 00:03:08,299 about what the Louise Michel project is or can be. So, there is much more than could 25 00:03:08,299 --> 00:03:17,810 be said in 40 minutes. So hello everyone. We are sitting on the bridge of the lovely 26 00:03:17,810 --> 00:03:25,019 Louise Michel. At the moment we have 6 crew on boards. And here in the 27 00:03:25,019 --> 00:03:37,870 room are Leona, Anouk, Yakob, Lorence and me, I'm Hannah. And we will give you a 28 00:03:37,870 --> 00:03:45,380 short introduction about what the project has been done in the last 12 to 14 months. 29 00:03:45,380 --> 00:03:53,280 And then we will try to make a slight switch and talk about mostly 30 00:03:53,280 --> 00:04:00,870 sexist boundaries. Leona: So, yes, maybe many of you already 31 00:04:00,870 --> 00:04:10,489 heard, this ship is a search and rescue ship. And was bought nearly one year ago. 32 00:04:10,489 --> 00:04:19,250 It all started with Banksy writing an email to Pia Klemp, offering a ship. And 33 00:04:19,250 --> 00:04:29,530 then after a few discussions, the ship was bought and a group of a few people put 34 00:04:29,530 --> 00:04:36,130 many work, many effort in it to prepare a former navy French navy ship into a search 35 00:04:36,130 --> 00:04:43,590 and rescue vessel. The preparation when nearly all of them were done in France and 36 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:52,440 the ship was brought then to Burriana in Spain. And, turned from a French navy boat 37 00:04:52,440 --> 00:05:02,630 into...a pink disaster. laughs Is now again in Burriana, Spain. We left for our first 38 00:05:02,630 --> 00:05:08,139 mission on the 5th...of the 18th of August. Went to the central Mediterranean 39 00:05:08,139 --> 00:05:15,910 Sea in front of the Libyan coast. And we were involved of rescuing almost 300 40 00:05:15,910 --> 00:05:25,353 people. And after returning to Spain, the ship didn't get detained or didn't get 41 00:05:25,353 --> 00:05:33,460 seized, what we kindly or we were expecting this. So we aren't detained, but the ship is 42 00:05:33,460 --> 00:05:40,330 blocked. And now after the first mission, a group of people decided to keep the ship 43 00:05:40,330 --> 00:05:46,610 to get the ship ready again for the next mission. And that's basically what we are 44 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:51,419 working on right now. Like getting a new registration, because Louise Michel was 45 00:05:51,419 --> 00:05:57,479 registered as a so-called pleasure craft, as a motor yacht, which was no problem at 46 00:05:57,479 --> 00:06:01,899 all, because it's obviously a pleasure craft and the motor yacht. So as long as 47 00:06:01,899 --> 00:06:06,310 authorities...well...they didn't know that we were supposed to do a search and 48 00:06:06,310 --> 00:06:11,880 rescue, it was no problem at all. But after they found out that we are doing 49 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:18,960 search and rescue, we lost our registration. And are now working on 50 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:26,669 getting a new one to be able to sail again. And yeah, so we are now in harbour, 51 00:06:26,669 --> 00:06:33,729 doing shipyard time. That means preparing the ship, working on problems, fixing 52 00:06:33,729 --> 00:06:39,580 stuff that needs to be fixed on the ship, which is quite a lot. And yeah, also doing 53 00:06:39,580 --> 00:06:46,569 a lot of paperwork, because as many of you also may know, search and rescue is very 54 00:06:46,569 --> 00:06:53,059 political and there are many political issues...let's call it like this...that 55 00:06:53,059 --> 00:07:00,000 needs to be fixed. Many stones are...they are put in our way. And yeah, that's what 56 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,220 we're working on right now. H: In the short description was 57 00:07:04,220 --> 00:07:12,130 already said, that we don't understand SAR, that normally stands for search and 58 00:07:12,130 --> 00:07:21,899 rescue. That we understand this SAR as solidarity and resistance. That 59 00:07:21,899 --> 00:07:26,729 means...all of what we are trying to say with this, is that we are not standing our 60 00:07:26,729 --> 00:07:34,990 activism or our acting not as a humanitarian thing, but as political. And 61 00:07:34,990 --> 00:07:41,169 this is inspired by the central critique, that humanitarian work, which is just to 62 00:07:41,169 --> 00:07:48,250 say this kind of short. The other medal or the other side of the same medal. So 63 00:07:48,250 --> 00:07:55,330 humanitarian work tries to milder what capitalism, patriarchy or racism do to and 64 00:07:55,330 --> 00:08:07,074 with the world. And so, it makes the shit that's going on looking better. But it's 65 00:08:07,074 --> 00:08:16,350 making invisible what all these structures of power cause. So this is racism, 66 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:26,379 this is death. This is...they make the structures of inequality and power 67 00:08:26,379 --> 00:08:30,440 invisible. L: And this is kind of what also our 68 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:37,229 project is about, not only going to sea saving lives, because the - obviously - 69 00:08:37,229 --> 00:08:41,980 the EU is not willing or...mean they are definitely...they would be able to do it, 70 00:08:41,980 --> 00:08:49,140 but they are not willing to save lives or to stop people from drowning. So, we are 71 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:54,540 definitely...this is part of our project, but part of our project, the main part of 72 00:08:54,540 --> 00:08:59,730 our project is definitely to put some effort in changing the whole system, 73 00:08:59,730 --> 00:09:06,260 because as Hannah already said, like capitalism and definitely racism, they 74 00:09:06,260 --> 00:09:11,400 cause the death, that we can see at our borders, especially in the Mediterranean 75 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:17,860 Sea. So without capitalism, without racism and also without the patriarchy, there 76 00:09:17,860 --> 00:09:22,250 would be not such a problem. Like there wouldn't be so many people drowning at 77 00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:29,130 sea. And this is that, what we mainly understand, what we should do...like, 78 00:09:29,130 --> 00:09:41,160 bringing effort in changing the system. H: And that also means, that our actions 79 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:49,760 have to be followed by the adults and they have to be reflected. We have to reflect 80 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:56,670 on what we are doing and not get caught by this stupid game, all this disgusting 81 00:09:56,670 --> 00:10:01,678 game, that is played by national states, by the European Union, or by all those 82 00:10:01,678 --> 00:10:08,060 authorities, who are trying to force us to work on stupid registrations. So what the 83 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:14,410 main situation is, for us and also for all other rescue ships is, that we are 84 00:10:14,410 --> 00:10:21,850 blocked, that we are hindered, that the European Union stopped all their rescue 85 00:10:21,850 --> 00:10:30,710 programs they had. The central Mediterranean is still the most deadly 86 00:10:30,710 --> 00:10:36,040 border in the world, but it's not the only deadly border in the world. Borders at all 87 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:45,690 are killing and causing death and torture and suffering. And the borders are 88 00:10:45,690 --> 00:10:52,250 imaginary lines. Or boundaries are imaginary lines, that have been set up at 89 00:10:52,250 --> 00:10:59,750 some point. And so it makes the people believe, that there is something, that has 90 00:10:59,750 --> 00:11:07,870 to be protected...by the national borders or the borders of states are not the only 91 00:11:07,870 --> 00:11:15,550 borders we are struggling with. And there are also borders between, or boundaries that 92 00:11:15,550 --> 00:11:20,430 we have to cross, like gender, like racism, like capitalism, like 93 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:28,920 inequality...Maybe I can hand over. L: Like what Hannah already said, like the 94 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:34,060 boundaries not only exist between countries and states or even continents, 95 00:11:34,060 --> 00:11:39,980 but also between human beings, between people. And this is something we are also 96 00:11:39,980 --> 00:11:46,010 seeing like a lot on ships. All of us worked on different kind of ships. And 97 00:11:46,010 --> 00:11:50,830 we've seen a lot of borders, a lot of boundaries, whether they were quite 98 00:11:50,830 --> 00:11:58,110 visible or most of them were more invisible between people. And the reason 99 00:11:58,110 --> 00:12:03,060 for that, or the reasons for those boundaries, I think...you said them 100 00:12:03,060 --> 00:12:10,490 already, are mostly gender, are the color of the skin of people, the level of 101 00:12:10,490 --> 00:12:17,070 education people have. And all this stuff is causing boundaries between people and 102 00:12:17,070 --> 00:12:22,740 borders between people. And we, as a political project, not we are not only 103 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:30,250 trying to fight the borders between countries and helping, or we're trying to 104 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:37,470 put effort in helping people across those borders between countries, but also 105 00:12:37,470 --> 00:12:46,450 helping people and forcing...not only forcing, but...challenging ourselves to 106 00:12:46,450 --> 00:12:53,310 cross those borders, that society teached us to live within. So, we are also trying 107 00:12:53,310 --> 00:12:59,090 to...as I said, help people, but also challenging ourselves to cross those 108 00:12:59,090 --> 00:13:04,970 borders that exists in our head and that are very invisible from time to time. But 109 00:13:04,970 --> 00:13:09,240 when you work as a crew, they get...you can feel them, you can't see them, but you 110 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,210 can feel them. H: And this is maybe something that we can 111 00:13:13,210 --> 00:13:18,960 say as one of our main understanding. So, we don't see, when we talk about 112 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,750 migration or when we talk about people on the move, so, migration is everything. 113 00:13:22,750 --> 00:13:26,510 It's also migration, when I move from Berlin to Spain, because I think I like 114 00:13:26,510 --> 00:13:31,100 the beautiful, all the warm weather more. This is also migration, there's nothing 115 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:33,520 like this. L: And I mean, the weather is quite nice. 116 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:38,440 We are in Spain right now and it's just wonderful to be here. laughs 117 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:44,910 H: But this is also migration. Migration is also when you move from the landscape 118 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:51,881 or from land side to the city. But it's not framed as migration. And I think 119 00:13:51,881 --> 00:13:58,680 there...it's always a difficulty to go somewhere else. And people who are 120 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:05,200 crossing the borders of the European Union, we don't understand this as fleeing 121 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,200 people, who need our urgent help and support. But we understand this 122 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:15,160 movement, there's a kind of challenging borders. So, because I don't accept these 123 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:20,700 imaginary lines, that they were told, that they are not allowed to cross. Freedom of 124 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:25,670 movement is a basic right of human beings and should be like this. And this is 125 00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:32,780 something, that we should stand for. And so then the people always say like, OK, 126 00:14:32,780 --> 00:14:42,560 there is e.g. an institution like Frontex, that is a policing, military organization. 127 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:49,790 And in 2011, they were told to accept a new rule. That means they are not allowed 128 00:14:49,790 --> 00:14:55,692 to do pushbacks. Because they do pushbacks. But what else do we expect? So, 129 00:14:55,692 --> 00:14:59,440 we have someone who is controlling borders. We expect that these people 130 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,590 controlling borders will say to someone, who wants to cross it: "Oh, you're not 131 00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:07,550 allowed". And they expect, that the opposite will say: "Ahja, cool...I will go 132 00:15:07,550 --> 00:15:14,380 home again." That's not how it works. And this leads to a situation of violence, 133 00:15:14,380 --> 00:15:21,130 because as soon as this border is not accepted and someone crosses anyway it 134 00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:23,250 will have an effect. And that's, what we are facing 135 00:15:23,250 --> 00:15:32,070 at the moment and at the very moment where - sorry, I need 136 00:15:32,070 --> 00:15:38,560 a second, I lost my point. laughing L: You were talking about the moment that 137 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,370 people cross borders without having the permission to cross them. 138 00:15:43,370 --> 00:15:53,660 H: Yeah, but I lost it. It's just gone. L: laughs so, maybe I can jump in until 139 00:15:53,660 --> 00:15:58,300 Hannah finds her point and I think her point was pretty good. So, I would love 140 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:05,140 her to get back to that. But, when we were preparing this talk, we also talked about, 141 00:16:05,140 --> 00:16:11,200 who was even able to draw the lines as borders. Like, for example, Frontex is 142 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:17,490 "protecting" the border between, for example, African states and European 143 00:16:17,490 --> 00:16:25,430 states. And, but there are so many other borders. And we figured out in our heads, 144 00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:29,790 that it's always the most powerful position, who is able to draw those lines 145 00:16:29,790 --> 00:16:36,190 as borders. And when it comes to borders or boundaries between people, that it's 146 00:16:36,190 --> 00:16:41,760 also, again, the most powerful, powerful position that is drawing this line. And 147 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:50,020 this should be changed. So it should not be these powerful persons deciding, where 148 00:16:50,020 --> 00:16:57,420 the boundaries or the borders are and who is allowed to live within which border, 149 00:16:57,420 --> 00:17:06,630 like...for example, cis man decides this is the border between a male and a female 150 00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:10,690 person, who's deciding this. This is just stupid and same for borders between 151 00:17:10,690 --> 00:17:16,740 countries like European states is deciding, so this is the line and I'm a 152 00:17:16,740 --> 00:17:20,900 European person, so I'm allowed to live within this line and all of you should 153 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:26,981 just fuck off and stay outside. And you can just put this into many, many 154 00:17:26,981 --> 00:17:34,620 different situations, I think. H: Borders are a matter of distinction and 155 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:40,540 it separates people from each other. So, while it is saying you are different than 156 00:17:40,540 --> 00:17:45,470 me? Because you are male and this is a female or because you are white and black 157 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:49,800 and that's your passport and that's your passport. And maybe you don't even have a 158 00:17:49,800 --> 00:18:06,250 passport. And we are mostly talking in our crew about gendered borders, about - and 159 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:15,560 this is something that makes sense, when we are understands a ship as a place or as 160 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:21,370 a space of hierarchy, of patriarchy. That is, so it brings bad luck, when you have 161 00:18:21,370 --> 00:18:28,490 a woman on board. That's the story that's told. And we have this talk also 162 00:18:28,490 --> 00:18:32,570 yesterday, that we have a funny fireball, that you can throw into the fire, when 163 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:38,240 there is a fire and then will explode. And there's a picture on it and you see a male 164 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,330 who is throwing, like, very nice and slightly into a fire. 165 00:18:42,330 --> 00:18:45,090 L: He's definitely the hero of the situation. 166 00:18:45,090 --> 00:18:53,780 H: As it is. And there's also a pictogram of a woman. And she's putting this ball 167 00:18:53,780 --> 00:18:58,032 from the top into burning oil. L: Very nicely. 168 00:18:58,032 --> 00:19:04,970 H: Very nicely and she's smiling. And this stands for something, that we are facing, 169 00:19:04,970 --> 00:19:12,990 when we, as not cis males, enter a space, like a ship. We notice so every day, that 170 00:19:12,990 --> 00:19:18,640 we are kind of in the wrong place. We notice that it's a different, when you go 171 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:24,320 alone through a port. We have all these visible things, that we can talk about. 172 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,160 So, when you have a male chief engineer, it's a male chief engineer and you can say this 173 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:37,247 is a powerful position. But there are so many things, that you can't see that clearly. 174 00:19:37,247 --> 00:19:40,470 L: Yeah. So they are these visible 175 00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:45,350 boundaries, but also like invisible boundaries. So we were also talking about, 176 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:52,100 what is changing, when you have, for example, cis men coming on board the ship. 177 00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:57,840 What does this create, like what feelings change and how feelings change and how 178 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:04,030 behavior also changes? And what does it make with the whole crew? Maybe all of 179 00:20:04,030 --> 00:20:11,930 you also have situations in mind, when you were only, for example, cis females or 180 00:20:11,930 --> 00:20:17,670 FLINT persons in a project or in a room and how this was, how you were working 181 00:20:17,670 --> 00:20:23,140 together? How you were living together? And as soon as cis man is entering the 182 00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:28,530 room, the project, how this is changing. And this is also about boundaries between 183 00:20:28,530 --> 00:20:32,060 people, I think. H: And it's challenging us a lot. So, 184 00:20:32,060 --> 00:20:37,870 always, when we try to crew mostly FLINT people. So, we try to turn the 185 00:20:37,870 --> 00:20:41,240 usual...what is a Normalverteilung (German, Gaussian Distribution)? 186 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,010 L: The usual Normalverteilung (German), sorry for the English speaking 187 00:20:45,010 --> 00:20:51,920 persons. laughs. L: I've no idea. H: So, usually these rooms are structured, 188 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:58,500 that if you have women on board or FLINT people on board. That you have one or two 189 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:02,930 and the rest of cis men. And we try... L: And, maybe also saying, that on many, 190 00:21:02,930 --> 00:21:09,810 many ships, the FLINT person is doing the crew care, or the, for NGO ships, it's 191 00:21:09,810 --> 00:21:15,940 the guest care positions. Like many medical departments are made of, we can 192 00:21:15,940 --> 00:21:21,680 say it, like of women and guest care and crew care is, like are mostly female 193 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:27,870 positions. But when it comes to engineers or captain or officer positions, this is 194 00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:31,550 mainly cis male position. unintelligible 195 00:21:31,550 --> 00:21:36,620 H: And that was what I was about to say. So, we are doing crewing for the ship and we 196 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:43,500 try to crew mostly FLINTs persons. And, that also means, that we can open the doors. 197 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:50,580 Although we are kind of the door keepers and we can open the doors for those 198 00:21:50,580 --> 00:22:00,550 people, who usually have it much more difficult to enter such a project or to 199 00:22:00,550 --> 00:22:04,420 enter such positions, that they can take over, when they are entering Louise 200 00:22:04,420 --> 00:22:13,710 Michel. But of course, that's the story about being exclusive. And we have, we are 201 00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:20,340 struggling a lot with the fact, that we are still working in a surrounding, that 202 00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:29,230 is super masculine dominated. So, always when we are looking for people, who can 203 00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:35,513 take over the powerful positions, like being a captain, an officer, a chief 204 00:22:35,513 --> 00:22:48,850 engineer. We are having a wide range of cis men, who offer their support. But on 205 00:22:48,850 --> 00:22:53,240 the other side, there's no one. And this is something that is 206 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:58,940 really a problem. And it takes us much time to deal with the 207 00:22:58,940 --> 00:23:03,630 situation, because we really want to stick to this idea of creating a kind 208 00:23:03,630 --> 00:23:14,210 of, as possible as that could be, a kind of safe space. And, because we experienced, 209 00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:19,341 that the surrounding and the climate on the ship, is definitely another one, when 210 00:23:19,341 --> 00:23:28,050 you have a most FLINT crew. So, there is more space you can give for trust, because 211 00:23:28,050 --> 00:23:33,751 people come and say, when they don't trust themselves to do something, or when they 212 00:23:33,751 --> 00:23:36,770 don't feel comfortable with something, there is much more talking, there is much 213 00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:43,220 more reflecting. It's super easy to hand over jobs, when you have a climate that 214 00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:51,460 allows not to know. When you have a climate, that allows you to be weak, 215 00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:54,470 because this is a ship and when it goes out and there's a problem, that no one 216 00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:57,640 said like: "Hoho, I made a mistake, but maybe I just cover it with something." 217 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,930 L: No, no, no, don't do it. H: Don't do it. And then it's important, 218 00:24:01,930 --> 00:24:08,250 that someone comes and says: "I don't know how to do it." And... 219 00:24:08,250 --> 00:24:14,670 L: Maybe this is at least, what we have seen during the last month, when we were 220 00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:19,309 working together on this ship as a new crew and with many different people coming 221 00:24:19,309 --> 00:24:25,270 from different countries, from different environments. That - or at least it's my 222 00:24:25,270 --> 00:24:29,610 experience, I don't know what about you? That it was many 223 00:24:29,610 --> 00:24:37,940 times, it were women asking for help or being less self-confident and 224 00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:42,900 trying to, like, double check, when it was, on the other hand, like men always 225 00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:47,360 jumping in, like, being much more self- confident and maybe it's for reasons and 226 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:53,210 it's totally fine. But I think this is how we grew up, how we got educated and what 227 00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:58,940 society teached us, how we should be, like, women always being or many times, 228 00:24:58,940 --> 00:25:03,840 being very or less self-confident than men are. And this is something we try to 229 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:10,450 challenge on this ship, like, empowering women to be at least as self-confident as 230 00:25:10,450 --> 00:25:17,450 the men are, or as the men try to be. 231 00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:22,490 H: Maybe we should come to an end. So, I think now we are at the point, where we 232 00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:28,960 can talk, like, a lot more about all these little lines, that we are crossing every 233 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,640 day. And it's not just about unintelligible 234 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:37,180 and taking care of the engine room. L: We can talk about a lot about the 235 00:25:37,180 --> 00:25:41,240 engine, because our chief engineer has to stay off, so he's not here. laughs We 236 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:53,960 can say a lot about him. H: And...but I think for all kinds of 237 00:25:53,960 --> 00:26:04,400 political action, the main thing is that we have to, we have to stay. And maybe 238 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:11,570 sometimes we also have to improve it. The enmity with the circumstances and by 239 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:18,250 keeping the friendship to the world or with the world. And, so we are trying to 240 00:26:18,250 --> 00:26:23,370 create a kind of an open space, by never accepting any fucking kind of border, that 241 00:26:23,370 --> 00:26:29,371 is dropping or crossing our waves. So we have to reflect, we have to force 242 00:26:29,371 --> 00:26:36,180 ourselves to step about this or to cross this borders, to step over it. And to not 243 00:26:36,180 --> 00:26:43,280 getting lost or desperated or frustrated. And this is what we can be. So, we can 244 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,740 create a space, where even when we are blocked and it always feels kind of 245 00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:51,860 senseless to get to this sucking port, sitting around don't know what you are 246 00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:55,640 doing, because why we are sitting here and everyone's talking about all those lovely 247 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:03,230 pink little ship that tries to challenge European borders. We are - in the end - we 248 00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:06,840 have to say, we are blocked. But somehow we also have to deal with this frustration 249 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,430 and we have to go on. So, there's no possibility to say, like, OK, they forbid 250 00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:16,130 us to do this - so, we can't accept that, but at the same time, we have always have 251 00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:22,840 to challenge ourselves. And we always have to support ourselves. And we have to 252 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:28,670 understand ourselves as part of a social movement. And this is, why we really 253 00:27:28,670 --> 00:27:36,470 appreciate to get some questions from the audience to get something more, than this 254 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:41,620 limited space we are living in here. L: Yeah, maybe as a conclusion, we can 255 00:27:41,620 --> 00:27:47,190 say, that we are not only fighting or dreaming of a world without borders 256 00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:53,260 between countries, but also for a world, or we have this vision of a world without 257 00:27:53,260 --> 00:28:01,120 borders between humans in any kind, in any way. Thank you. 258 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:08,560 Herald: That is a nice way to talk. Thanks so much for telling us all that. 259 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:17,260 And I can relate the virtual applause you're getting from the 260 00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:22,430 audiences. You sadly cannot hear that. But I am sure, 261 00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:28,620 that there's a massive feeling of gratitude and thank you from all of those 262 00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:36,140 who are watching. And I've got some questions for you from the audience. And, 263 00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:41,130 if we've still got some minutes left, so when you have an additional question, use 264 00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:48,510 the IRC, link below the video, or use Twitter or the Fediverse using the hashtag 265 00:28:48,510 --> 00:29:01,000 #rc3one in letters. So hashtag rc number three letters o, n, e. Then our signal 266 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,280 angel will put that down in the pad, so I can ask the question. And the first 267 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:14,280 question coming in to you, for you is: "Have you had any direct confrontation or 268 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,570 other experience with Frontex officers or boats?" 269 00:29:19,570 --> 00:29:30,960 L: Maybe I can answer the question. So, yes, definitely yes. When we go in to the 270 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,470 center of the Mediterranean Sea, when you go, yeah, in front of the coast of 271 00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:43,850 Libya, for example, you can basically nearly every day see Frontex airplanes 272 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:51,790 crossing, like, searching for boats, searching for NGOs; what the hell are they 273 00:29:51,790 --> 00:30:00,090 doing there. And, yeah, so it's from what I experienced during the missions, I went 274 00:30:00,090 --> 00:30:06,390 on, it was mainly airplanes, that were searching for, for example, boats in 275 00:30:06,390 --> 00:30:12,610 distress or people on the move and giving this information unfortunately not to NGO 276 00:30:12,610 --> 00:30:17,820 ships, for example, or informing coastguards in the way like, OK, those 277 00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:23,330 people need help, but informing, for example, the so-called Libyan coast guard 278 00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:29,880 to go there to push the people back. And that's definitely one of the main 279 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:37,440 experiences I make with the Frontex. Like organizing illegal pushbacks. 280 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:48,520 Herald: Most of it was plane sightings and not direct contact with personnel or ships 281 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:56,540 in touching distance. OK, so the next question is more of a technical side. 282 00:30:56,540 --> 00:31:05,390 I think the core of the question was about how to grade situations, but I'm trying to 283 00:31:05,390 --> 00:31:11,770 read that out, I think something is lost in the translation. I hope you see what 284 00:31:11,770 --> 00:31:19,120 that means, but take it in good-meant spirit. How do you define a maritime 285 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:27,730 emergency / ship wreckage? Do you already take action for a dinghy with 286 00:31:27,730 --> 00:31:34,607 a working motor and rescue them? Or is it only about situations where people's lives 287 00:31:34,607 --> 00:31:40,348 is crucially endangered? Is there some guideline that you can... 288 00:31:42,668 --> 00:31:46,656 Oh! L: Great. 289 00:31:46,656 --> 00:31:52,506 Herald: What's happened, Toto? Yes. H: He was asking a question... 290 00:31:57,453 --> 00:32:01,473 L: If this is our Internet, now we can just sit here. 291 00:32:01,473 --> 00:32:07,280 H: No, I think it's not our Internet, I think it's just the audio signal. 292 00:32:19,915 --> 00:32:24,585 Herald: I just saw the chat explode, with all the technical stuff. 293 00:32:54,490 --> 00:33:02,760 Herald: I have so many good questions I would like to ask, but yeah, 294 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,930 technicalities are the great dictator and we are allowed to go four minutes over, 295 00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:20,030 right Toto? I'm preparing to go four minutes over. When will we ever be back? 296 00:34:16,630 --> 00:34:19,200 Give me a go and then I start. 297 00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:38,450 So second question, so maybe something is lost in the translation, 298 00:34:38,450 --> 00:34:43,820 but take it in a good spirit. This is about technicalities. How 299 00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:52,679 do you define a maritime emergency/ship wreckage? Do you already take action for a 300 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:57,410 dinghy with a working motor and rescue them? Or is it only about situations where 301 00:34:57,410 --> 00:35:04,890 people's life is crucially endangered? H: As soon as you enter the central 302 00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:11,830 Mediterranean Sea and try to make it from e.g. Libya to Italy with a dinghy, with a 303 00:35:11,830 --> 00:35:15,779 small engine, even if it's working, it's a distress case. 304 00:35:15,779 --> 00:35:19,730 Herald: Yeah, OK. L: Yeah. And to be honest, it's not only 305 00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:24,170 if the engine is broken down or there's already water coming in, but those 306 00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:30,850 dinghies are normally super crowded. And you never know about the weather coming up 307 00:35:30,850 --> 00:35:35,410 because me personally, I always have this idea of the beautiful central 308 00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:39,550 Mediterranean Sea with nice weather, no waves at all. But that's definitely not 309 00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:47,630 the case. So, um, yeah, I think it's not always about this super dramatic scenes, 310 00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:52,400 but as Hanah said, as soon as you enter those boats, this is not a good idea. 311 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,609 Herald: And and it's quite a distance and it would take several days to get there 312 00:35:57,609 --> 00:36:02,110 right? So it is it is not a pleasure cruise or something. 313 00:36:02,110 --> 00:36:09,010 L: No, I would not say so, not in general. Herald: OK, next question. Is the crew 314 00:36:09,010 --> 00:36:15,080 also trying to overcome hierarchies on board, are they trying to find structures 315 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:22,068 that work without classical captains etc.? L & H: Yes. 316 00:36:22,068 --> 00:36:27,630 Herald: And, I'm sorry. Go ahead. H: So there is, there is a legal side of 317 00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:33,661 the things. And so when the ship is on the sea and when it's operating, the person 318 00:36:33,661 --> 00:36:38,530 who is responsible is always the captain. So the person who's facing all the legal 319 00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:42,640 consequences are those in powerful positions. And this is something that we 320 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:49,060 have to keep in mind. But for all decisions that are made on the ship, it's 321 00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:58,230 not up to the captain or the leader who's the coordination on the mission or to the 322 00:36:58,230 --> 00:37:06,180 few powerful positions we have, the decisions get made by all, and we are 323 00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:15,791 trying to keep it as flat as possible. And of course, everyone's allowed also to say 324 00:37:15,791 --> 00:37:21,660 his or her opinion and it's going to be acknowledged. 325 00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:27,580 L: But we have to be honest about that, we have to challenge ourselves to make this 326 00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:34,870 running, to work with this flat hierarchy. Yeah, we are on it, we are far from 327 00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:38,750 perfect, but we are trying to improve ourselves every day. 328 00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:48,510 Herald: Good. OK, the nice people of the signal angel crowd have written me down 329 00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:54,160 another question. Has there been other attempts to sabotage your work except the 330 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,970 legal challenges of the ship license, maybe attempts to distract you from 331 00:37:58,970 --> 00:38:05,340 complicated work, maybe even algorithmic driven behavior recognition or something? 332 00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:11,990 This is more of a technical question. H: I think I didn't really get the 333 00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:17,670 question. But to be honest, this legal side of things is quite effective. So 334 00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:22,080 there was once the question of we can't just leave as a pirate ship without a 335 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:35,510 flag. And if we do so and that's an invitation for all armed forces to enter 336 00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:41,150 our ship. And this is quite effective. And I think the main problem is with all kinds 337 00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:48,311 of repression. And that's how police also works and is that it is not just trying to 338 00:38:48,311 --> 00:38:53,380 block you or to sanction you, but it's also about destroying structures. And this 339 00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:58,710 is what we have to work on and all the structures we are organizing to not let 340 00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:03,490 them destroy our networks, our connections, our relations and everything 341 00:39:03,490 --> 00:39:08,800 else. Herald: OK, so this legal action works 342 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:15,980 really, really well. So the idea of I've given some context for this. Do you think 343 00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:23,010 that you're constantly surveyed by others so that they can throw sticks into the 344 00:39:23,010 --> 00:39:27,960 spinning wheels? L: We definitely have to keep this in mind 345 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:34,350 all the time. We would not talk about very sensitive stuff or we are trying very hard 346 00:39:34,350 --> 00:39:43,710 to protect our data. But we are not sure about this, but we have to keep this in 347 00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:49,960 mind. I'll be keeping this in mind. Herald: And that's another question about 348 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,500 the hierarchy on board. More specifically what decision making processes do you use 349 00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:58,750 on board? Do you want to give us some insight on that? 350 00:39:58,750 --> 00:40:06,710 H: Yes, of course. We do, we are organized with a small crew, like a core crew, who's 351 00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:11,359 coordinating and is also kind of decision making. This is sometimes a problem, but 352 00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:17,920 the ship always works independently of it's core crew. And the crew who is 353 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:24,020 involved is organizing themselves so they can have a very structured day, like every 354 00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:29,550 day morning meetings or try to find other ways to at the moment, the situation with 355 00:40:29,550 --> 00:40:35,640 the current crew is that we have our construction sites that we are working on, 356 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,300 but everyone is free to organize themselves. If they want to work up to 11 357 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:42,370 in the evening, they're more than welcome. But we will stop them at some point 358 00:40:42,370 --> 00:40:48,600 because we don't want, we have an anti burn out policy. So then they also have to start 359 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:59,050 later. So, no, we don't really have a plan, but we are trying to give the 360 00:40:59,050 --> 00:41:04,240 communication to those or the organization to those who are doing it. That means the 361 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:10,000 ship organizes itself and the core crew is trying to to take care of all the 362 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,680 organizational side of the things. That means caring about money, about 363 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:26,650 registration, the legal aspects. But at least we are always giving a big part of 364 00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:30,479 our responsibilities that we have as a core crew at the moment. And they wanted me 365 00:41:30,479 --> 00:41:36,040 a part of the core crew. And the ship crew is doing their own organization together 366 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:43,710 with us. So, yeah. Herald: Yeah. For information for the 367 00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:49,090 studio, I'm planning to go four minutes over and I'm already one over. So there's 368 00:41:49,090 --> 00:41:57,330 room for two more questions. After having rescued people do you social distance them 369 00:41:57,330 --> 00:42:04,920 because of their unknown health status. This is a Corona related one. 370 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,460 L: Yeah. Lovely. I'm so happy to talk about this. 371 00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:15,830 Herald: Aren't we all. L: Yeah, great. Finally. So after the 372 00:42:15,830 --> 00:42:26,610 rescue we try to wear masks and to hand over masks to our guests and for sure the 373 00:42:26,610 --> 00:42:31,470 guests, they had to, it was mandatory for them to quarantine when they came on land 374 00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:37,851 in Italy. And we tried to make everything possible to keep the guests healthy, like 375 00:42:37,851 --> 00:42:42,570 protecting them from our possible infection, but also trying to protect the 376 00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:47,820 crew from getting infected. So this is a small boat. We have to be realistic. It's 377 00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:54,280 not possible to social distance like two meters like there is no way. But we do 378 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,070 everything possible to protect us and other people. 379 00:42:59,070 --> 00:43:06,390 H: And I think we have to add to this, that this corona thing is used from the 380 00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:14,340 authorities to stop us because they say it's not possible on some NGO ships to 381 00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:24,630 keep the social distance, to ban [us]. And to be honest, when you look at the 382 00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:29,130 situation on the Mediterranean Sea, when you have a question about drowning or 383 00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:32,210 spreading Corona, I would prefer spreading Corona. Yeah. 384 00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:39,680 L: So we we think Corona should not be an excuse to close harbors or to block ships 385 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:46,870 because as you all know treat first what kills first and drowning kills you first. 386 00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:52,310 And Corona is quite a bad thing and very serious, but it should not be an excuse to 387 00:43:52,310 --> 00:44:01,031 close our borders. Herald: And follow up on that. You said in 388 00:44:01,031 --> 00:44:09,030 your talk that the Louise Michel is a safe space. Do you advertise or announce this 389 00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:17,580 in any way when you rescue somebody? Do you have a standard procedure where you 390 00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:21,590 say, listen, this is a little bit different as other ships or something like 391 00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:28,130 that? Or how do you approach those you are rescuing and inform them about that? I 392 00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:32,619 think it's not the first step. But how do you do this kind of information? 393 00:44:32,619 --> 00:44:38,619 H: I would just say first that we are not a safe space, but we are trying to get as 394 00:44:38,619 --> 00:44:43,950 close as possible. And the rest I have to hand over to Leona. 395 00:44:43,950 --> 00:44:48,810 L: We are definitely talking to our guests about this, telling them that we are 396 00:44:48,810 --> 00:44:57,440 living very close on a very small space and that this is a safe space. So there's 397 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,859 no place for racism or any kind of discrimination, weapons, drugs whatsoever. 398 00:45:02,859 --> 00:45:10,380 So this is definitely a topic and it works at least what I experience, It's it wasn't 399 00:45:10,380 --> 00:45:15,910 a problem at all. So there was a huge respect from the people on the move and 400 00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:20,700 from the crew among each other. That was great to see. 401 00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:31,430 Herald: So our time is up. Thank you so much for coming to us live from the boat 402 00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:39,609 Louise Michel. It was a pleasure. And now it is my great pleasure to hand over to 403 00:45:39,609 --> 00:45:45,870 the Herald news show, which will be live from Bielefeld Heideblümchen. And, see you 404 00:45:45,870 --> 00:45:51,650 in the next talk. Bye. L: Thank you. Bye. 405 00:45:51,650 --> 00:45:55,336 rC3 postroll music 406 00:45:55,336 --> 00:46:30,180 Subtitles created by c3subtitles.de in the year 2020. Join, and help us!