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now the upcoming talk is "The Mission of[br]the MV Louise Michel". Feminism will be
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antiracist or it won't be. Search and[br]rescue is not standing for...SAR is not
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standing for search and rescue, as going[br]by the Louise Michelle crew, it also
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stands for solidarity and resistance. The[br]talk will be about the mission of the
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rescue vessel Louise Michel and why[br]smashing borders won't work without
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smashing the patriarchy and the other way[br]around. The talk is given by a small group
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of people who run together with many[br]others the high speed lifeboat MV Louise
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Michel, which patrols the Mediterranean.[br]And now let's go live to the bridge of the
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Louise Michel. The stage is yours.[br]Hannah: Hello. Thanks a lot for the invitation
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to have a slot at the CCC 2020. Although[br]we have almost no time to...for
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preparation. But we are anyway happy to[br]sit here today and give you a small impact
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about what the Louise Michel project is or[br]can be. So, there is much more than could
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be said in 40 minutes. So hello everyone.[br]We are sitting on the bridge of the lovely
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Louise Michel. At the moment we have 6[br]crew on boards. And here in the
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room are Leona, Anouk, Yakob, Lorence and[br]me, I'm Hannah. And we will give you a
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short introduction about what the project[br]has been done in the last 12 to 14 months.
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And then we will try to make a slight[br]switch and talk about mostly
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sexist boundaries.[br]Leona: So, yes, maybe many of you already
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heard, this ship is a search and rescue[br]ship. And was bought nearly one year ago.
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It all started with Banksy writing an[br]email to Pia Klemp, offering a ship. And
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then after a few discussions, the ship was[br]bought and a group of a few people put
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many work, many effort in it to prepare a[br]former navy French navy ship into a search
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and rescue vessel. The preparation when[br]nearly all of them were done in France and
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the ship was brought then to Burriana in[br]Spain. And, turned from a French navy boat
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into...a pink disaster. laughs Is now again in[br]Burriana, Spain. We left for our first
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mission on the 5th...of the 18th of[br]August. Went to the central Mediterranean
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Sea in front of the Libyan coast. And we[br]were involved of rescuing almost 300
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people. And after returning to Spain, the[br]ship didn't get detained or didn't get
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seized, what we kindly or we were[br]expecting this. So we aren't detained, but the ship is
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blocked. And now after the first mission,[br]a group of people decided to keep the ship
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to get the ship ready again for the next[br]mission. And that's basically what we are
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working on right now. Like getting a new[br]registration, because Louise Michel was
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registered as a so-called pleasure craft,[br]as a motor yacht, which was no problem at
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all, because it's obviously a pleasure[br]craft and the motor yacht. So as long as
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authorities...well...they didn't know that[br]we were supposed to do a search and
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rescue, it was no problem at all. But[br]after they found out that we are doing
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search and rescue, we lost our[br]registration. And are now working on
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getting a new one to be able to sail[br]again. And yeah, so we are now in harbour,
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doing shipyard time. That means preparing[br]the ship, working on problems, fixing
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stuff that needs to be fixed on the ship,[br]which is quite a lot. And yeah, also doing
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a lot of paperwork, because as many of you[br]also may know, search and rescue is very
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political and there are many political[br]issues...let's call it like this...that
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needs to be fixed. Many stones are...they[br]are put in our way. And yeah, that's what
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we're working on right now.[br]H: In the short description was
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already said, that we don't understand[br]SAR, that normally stands for search and
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rescue. That we understand this SAR as[br]solidarity and resistance. That
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means...all of what we are trying to say[br]with this, is that we are not standing our
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activism or our acting not as a[br]humanitarian thing, but as political. And
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this is inspired by the central critique,[br]that humanitarian work, which is just to
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say this kind of short. The other medal[br]or the other side of the same medal. So
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humanitarian work tries to milder what[br]capitalism, patriarchy or racism do to and
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with the world. And so, it makes the shit[br]that's going on looking better. But it's
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making invisible what all these structures[br]of power cause. So this is racism,
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this is death. This is...they make the[br]structures of inequality and power
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invisible.[br]L: And this is kind of what also our
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project is about, not only going to sea[br]saving lives, because the - obviously -
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the EU is not willing or...mean they are[br]definitely...they would be able to do it,
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but they are not willing to save lives or[br]to stop people from drowning. So, we are
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definitely...this is part of our project,[br]but part of our project, the main part of
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our project is definitely to put some[br]effort in changing the whole system,
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because as Hannah already said, like[br]capitalism and definitely racism, they
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cause the death, that we can see at our[br]borders, especially in the Mediterranean
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Sea. So without capitalism, without racism[br]and also without the patriarchy, there
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would be not such a problem. Like there[br]wouldn't be so many people drowning at
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sea. And this is that, what we mainly[br]understand, what we should do...like,
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bringing effort in changing the system.[br]H: And that also means, that our actions
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have to be followed by the adults and they[br]have to be reflected. We have to reflect
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on what we are doing and not get caught by[br]this stupid game, all this disgusting
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game, that is played by national states,[br]by the European Union, or by all those
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authorities, who are trying to force us to[br]work on stupid registrations. So what the
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main situation is, for us and also for all[br]other rescue ships is, that we are
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blocked, that we are hindered, that the[br]European Union stopped all their rescue
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programs they had. The central[br]Mediterranean is still the most deadly
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border in the world, but it's not the only[br]deadly border in the world. Borders at all
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are killing and causing death and torture[br]and suffering. And the borders are
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imaginary lines. Or boundaries are[br]imaginary lines, that have been set up at
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some point. And so it makes the people[br]believe, that there is something, that has
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to be protected...by the national borders[br]or the borders of states are not the only
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borders we are struggling with. And there[br]are also borders between, or boundaries that
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we have to cross, like gender, like[br]racism, like capitalism, like
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inequality...Maybe I can hand over.[br]L: Like what Hannah already said, like the
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boundaries not only exist between[br]countries and states or even continents,
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but also between human beings, between[br]people. And this is something we are also
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seeing like a lot on ships. All of us[br]worked on different kind of ships. And
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we've seen a lot of borders, a lot of[br]boundaries, whether they were quite
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visible or most of them were more[br]invisible between people. And the reason
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for that, or the reasons for those[br]boundaries, I think...you said them
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already, are mostly gender, are the color[br]of the skin of people, the level of
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education people have. And all this stuff[br]is causing boundaries between people and
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borders between people. And we, as a[br]political project, not we are not only
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trying to fight the borders between[br]countries and helping, or we're trying to
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put effort in helping people across those[br]borders between countries, but also
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helping people and forcing...not only[br]forcing, but...challenging ourselves to
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cross those borders, that society teached[br]us to live within. So, we are also trying
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to...as I said, help people, but also[br]challenging ourselves to cross those
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borders that exists in our head and that[br]are very invisible from time to time. But
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when you work as a crew, they get...you[br]can feel them, you can't see them, but you
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can feel them.[br]H: And this is maybe something that we can
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say as one of our main understanding.[br]So, we don't see, when we talk about
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migration or when we talk about people on[br]the move, so, migration is everything.
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It's also migration, when I move from[br]Berlin to Spain, because I think I like
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the beautiful, all the warm weather more.[br]This is also migration, there's nothing
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like this.[br]L: And I mean, the weather is quite nice.
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We are in Spain right now and it's just [br]wonderful to be here. laughs
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H: But this is also migration. Migration[br]is also when you move from the landscape
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or from land side to the city. But it's[br]not framed as migration. And I think
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there...it's always a difficulty to go[br]somewhere else. And people who are
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crossing the borders of the European[br]Union, we don't understand this as fleeing
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people, who need our urgent help and[br]support. But we understand this
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movement, there's a kind of challenging[br]borders. So, because I don't accept these
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imaginary lines, that they were told, that[br]they are not allowed to cross. Freedom of
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movement is a basic right of human beings[br]and should be like this. And this is
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something, that we should stand for. And[br]so then the people always say like, OK,
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there is e.g. an institution like Frontex,[br]that is a policing, military organization.
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And in 2011, they were told to accept a[br]new rule. That means they are not allowed
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to do pushbacks. Because they do[br]pushbacks. But what else do we expect? So,
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we have someone who is controlling[br]borders. We expect that these people
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controlling borders will say to someone,[br]who wants to cross it: "Oh, you're not
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allowed". And they expect, that the[br]opposite will say: "Ahja, cool...I will go
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home again." That's not how it works. And[br]this leads to a situation of violence,
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because as soon as this border is not[br]accepted and someone crosses anyway it
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will have an effect.[br]And that's, what we are facing
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at the moment and at the very [br]moment where - sorry, I need
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a second, I lost my point. laughing[br]L: You were talking about the moment that
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people cross borders without having the[br]permission to cross them.
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H: Yeah, but I lost it. It's just gone.[br]L: laughs so, maybe I can jump in until
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Hannah finds her point and I think her[br]point was pretty good. So, I would love
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her to get back to that. But, when we were[br]preparing this talk, we also talked about,
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who was even able to draw the lines as[br]borders. Like, for example, Frontex is
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"protecting" the border between, for[br]example, African states and European
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states. And, but there are so many other[br]borders. And we figured out in our heads,
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that it's always the most powerful[br]position, who is able to draw those lines
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as borders. And when it comes to borders[br]or boundaries between people, that it's
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also, again, the most powerful, powerful[br]position that is drawing this line. And
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this should be changed. So it should not[br]be these powerful persons deciding, where
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the boundaries or the borders are and who[br]is allowed to live within which border,
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like...for example, cis man decides this[br]is the border between a male and a female
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person, who's deciding this. This is just[br]stupid and same for borders between
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countries like European states is[br]deciding, so this is the line and I'm a
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European person, so I'm allowed to live[br]within this line and all of you should
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just fuck off and stay outside. And you[br]can just put this into many, many
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different situations, I think.[br]H: Borders are a matter of distinction and
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it separates people from each other. So,[br]while it is saying you are different than
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me? Because you are male and this is a[br]female or because you are white and black
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and that's your passport and that's your[br]passport. And maybe you don't even have a
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passport. And we are mostly talking in our[br]crew about gendered borders, about - and
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this is something that makes sense, when[br]we are understands a ship as a place or as
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a space of hierarchy, of patriarchy. That[br]is, so it brings bad luck, when you have
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a woman on board. That's the story that's[br]told. And we have this talk also
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yesterday, that we have a funny fireball,[br]that you can throw into the fire, when
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there is a fire and then will explode. And[br]there's a picture on it and you see a male
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who is throwing, like, very nice and[br]slightly into a fire.
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L: He's definitely the hero of the[br]situation.
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H: As it is. And there's also a pictogram[br]of a woman. And she's putting this ball
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from the top into burning oil.[br]L: Very nicely.
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H: Very nicely and she's smiling. And this[br]stands for something, that we are facing,
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when we, as not cis males, enter a space,[br]like a ship. We notice so every day, that
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we are kind of in the wrong place. We[br]notice that it's a different, when you go
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alone through a port. We have all these[br]visible things, that we can talk about.
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So, when you have a male chief engineer, it's[br]a male chief engineer and you can say this
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is a powerful position. But there are so [br]many things, that you can't see that clearly.
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L: Yeah. So they are these visible
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boundaries, but also like invisible[br]boundaries. So we were also talking about,
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what is changing, when you have, for[br]example, cis men coming on board the ship.
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What does this create, like what feelings[br]change and how feelings change and how
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behavior also changes? And what does[br]it make with the whole crew? Maybe all of
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you also have situations in mind, when you[br]were only, for example, cis females or
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FLINT persons in a project or in a room[br]and how this was, how you were working
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together? How you were living together?[br]And as soon as cis man is entering the
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room, the project, how this is changing.[br]And this is also about boundaries between
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people, I think.[br]H: And it's challenging us a lot. So,
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always, when we try to crew mostly FLINT[br]people. So, we try to turn the
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usual...what is a Normalverteilung[br](German, Gaussian Distribution)?
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L: The usual Normalverteilung[br](German), sorry for the English speaking
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persons. laughs. L: I've no idea.[br]H: So, usually these rooms are structured,
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that if you have women on board or FLINT[br]people on board. That you have one or two
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and the rest of cis men. And we try...[br]L: And, maybe also saying, that on many,
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many ships, the FLINT person is doing the[br]crew care, or the, for NGO ships, it's
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the guest care positions. Like many[br]medical departments are made of, we can
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say it, like of women and guest care and[br]crew care is, like are mostly female
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positions. But when it comes to engineers[br]or captain or officer positions, this is
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mainly cis male position.[br]unintelligible
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H: And that was what I was about to say. So, [br]we are doing crewing for the ship and we
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try to crew mostly FLINTs persons. And, [br]that also means, that we can open the doors.
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Although we are kind of the door keepers[br]and we can open the doors for those
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people, who usually have it much more[br]difficult to enter such a project or to
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enter such positions, that they can take[br]over, when they are entering Louise
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Michel. But of course, that's the story [br]about being exclusive. And we have, we are
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struggling a lot with the fact, that we[br]are still working in a surrounding, that
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is super masculine dominated. So, always[br]when we are looking for people, who can
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take over the powerful positions, like[br]being a captain, an officer, a chief
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engineer. We are having a wide range of[br]cis men, who offer their support. But on
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the other side, there's no one. [br]And this is something that is
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really a problem. And it takes [br]us much time to deal with the
0:22:58.940,0:23:03.630
situation, because we really want[br]to stick to this idea of creating a kind
0:23:03.630,0:23:14.210
of, as possible as that could be, a kind of[br]safe space. And, because we experienced,
0:23:14.210,0:23:19.341
that the surrounding and the climate on[br]the ship, is definitely another one, when
0:23:19.341,0:23:28.050
you have a most FLINT crew. So, there is[br]more space you can give for trust, because
0:23:28.050,0:23:33.751
people come and say, when they don't trust[br]themselves to do something, or when they
0:23:33.751,0:23:36.770
don't feel comfortable with something,[br]there is much more talking, there is much
0:23:36.770,0:23:43.220
more reflecting. It's super easy to hand[br]over jobs, when you have a climate that
0:23:43.220,0:23:51.460
allows not to know. When you have a[br]climate, that allows you to be weak,
0:23:51.460,0:23:54.470
because this is a ship and when it goes[br]out and there's a problem, that no one
0:23:54.470,0:23:57.640
said like: "Hoho, I made a mistake, but[br]maybe I just cover it with something."
0:23:57.640,0:24:01.930
L: No, no, no, don't do it.[br]H: Don't do it. And then it's important,
0:24:01.930,0:24:08.250
that someone comes and says: "I don't know[br]how to do it." And...
0:24:08.250,0:24:14.670
L: Maybe this is at least, what we have[br]seen during the last month, when we were
0:24:14.670,0:24:19.309
working together on this ship as a new[br]crew and with many different people coming
0:24:19.309,0:24:25.270
from different countries, from different[br]environments. That - or at least it's my
0:24:25.270,0:24:29.610
experience, I don't know what [br]about you? That it was many
0:24:29.610,0:24:37.940
times, it were women asking[br]for help or being less self-confident and
0:24:37.940,0:24:42.900
trying to, like, double check, when it[br]was, on the other hand, like men always
0:24:42.900,0:24:47.360
jumping in, like, being much more self-[br]confident and maybe it's for reasons and
0:24:47.360,0:24:53.210
it's totally fine. But I think this is how[br]we grew up, how we got educated and what
0:24:53.210,0:24:58.940
society teached us, how we should be,[br]like, women always being or many times,
0:24:58.940,0:25:03.840
being very or less self-confident than men[br]are. And this is something we try to
0:25:03.840,0:25:10.450
challenge on this ship, like, empowering[br]women to be at least as self-confident as
0:25:10.450,0:25:17.450
the men are, or as the men try to be.
0:25:17.450,0:25:22.490
H: Maybe we should come to an end. So, I[br]think now we are at the point, where we
0:25:22.490,0:25:28.960
can talk, like, a lot more about all these[br]little lines, that we are crossing every
0:25:28.960,0:25:31.640
day. And it's not just[br]about unintelligible
0:25:31.640,0:25:37.180
and taking care of the engine room.[br]L: We can talk about a lot about the
0:25:37.180,0:25:41.240
engine, because our chief engineer has to[br]stay off, so he's not here. laughs We
0:25:41.240,0:25:53.960
can say a lot about him.[br]H: And...but I think for all kinds of
0:25:53.960,0:26:04.400
political action, the main thing is that[br]we have to, we have to stay. And maybe
0:26:04.400,0:26:11.570
sometimes we also have to improve it. The[br]enmity with the circumstances and by
0:26:11.570,0:26:18.250
keeping the friendship to the world or[br]with the world. And, so we are trying to
0:26:18.250,0:26:23.370
create a kind of an open space, by never[br]accepting any fucking kind of border, that
0:26:23.370,0:26:29.371
is dropping or crossing our waves. So we[br]have to reflect, we have to force
0:26:29.371,0:26:36.180
ourselves to step about this or to cross[br]this borders, to step over it. And to not
0:26:36.180,0:26:43.280
getting lost or desperated or frustrated.[br]And this is what we can be. So, we can
0:26:43.280,0:26:47.740
create a space, where even when we are[br]blocked and it always feels kind of
0:26:47.740,0:26:51.860
senseless to get to this sucking port,[br]sitting around don't know what you are
0:26:51.860,0:26:55.640
doing, because why we are sitting here and[br]everyone's talking about all those lovely
0:26:55.640,0:27:03.230
pink little ship that tries to challenge[br]European borders. We are - in the end - we
0:27:03.230,0:27:06.840
have to say, we are blocked. But somehow we[br]also have to deal with this frustration
0:27:06.840,0:27:10.430
and we have to go on. So, there's no[br]possibility to say, like, OK, they forbid
0:27:10.430,0:27:16.130
us to do this - so, we can't accept that,[br]but at the same time, we have always have
0:27:16.130,0:27:22.840
to challenge ourselves. And we always have[br]to support ourselves. And we have to
0:27:22.840,0:27:28.670
understand ourselves as part of a social[br]movement. And this is, why we really
0:27:28.670,0:27:36.470
appreciate to get some questions from the[br]audience to get something more, than this
0:27:36.470,0:27:41.620
limited space we are living in here.[br]L: Yeah, maybe as a conclusion, we can
0:27:41.620,0:27:47.190
say, that we are not only fighting or[br]dreaming of a world without borders
0:27:47.190,0:27:53.260
between countries, but also for a world, [br]or we have this vision of a world without
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borders between humans in any [br]kind, in any way. Thank you.
0:28:01.120,0:28:08.560
Herald: That is a nice way to talk.[br]Thanks so much for telling us all that.
0:28:08.560,0:28:17.260
And I can relate the virtual applause[br]you're getting from the
0:28:17.260,0:28:22.430
audiences. You sadly cannot[br]hear that. But I am sure,
0:28:22.430,0:28:28.620
that there's a massive feeling of[br]gratitude and thank you from all of those
0:28:28.620,0:28:36.140
who are watching. And I've got some[br]questions for you from the audience. And,
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if we've still got some minutes left, so[br]when you have an additional question, use
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the IRC, link below the video, or use[br]Twitter or the Fediverse using the hashtag
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#rc3one in letters. So hashtag rc number[br]three letters o, n, e. Then our signal
0:29:01.000,0:29:06.280
angel will put that down in the pad, so I[br]can ask the question. And the first
0:29:06.280,0:29:14.280
question coming in to you, for you is:[br]"Have you had any direct confrontation or
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other experience with Frontex [br]officers or boats?"
0:29:19.570,0:29:30.960
L: Maybe I can answer the question. So,[br]yes, definitely yes. When we go in to the
0:29:30.960,0:29:36.470
center of the Mediterranean Sea, when [br]you go, yeah, in front of the coast of
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Libya, for example, you can basically[br]nearly every day see Frontex airplanes
0:29:43.850,0:29:51.790
crossing, like, searching for boats,[br]searching for NGOs; what the hell are they
0:29:51.790,0:30:00.090
doing there. And, yeah, so it's from what[br]I experienced during the missions, I went
0:30:00.090,0:30:06.390
on, it was mainly airplanes, that were[br]searching for, for example, boats in
0:30:06.390,0:30:12.610
distress or people on the move and giving[br]this information unfortunately not to NGO
0:30:12.610,0:30:17.820
ships, for example, or informing[br]coastguards in the way like, OK, those
0:30:17.820,0:30:23.330
people need help, but informing, for[br]example, the so-called Libyan coast guard
0:30:23.330,0:30:29.880
to go there to push the people back. And[br]that's definitely one of the main
0:30:29.880,0:30:37.440
experiences I make with the Frontex. Like[br]organizing illegal pushbacks.
0:30:37.440,0:30:48.520
Herald: Most of it was plane sightings and[br]not direct contact with personnel or ships
0:30:48.520,0:30:56.540
in touching distance. OK, so the next[br]question is more of a technical side.
0:30:56.540,0:31:05.390
I think the core of the question was about[br]how to grade situations, but I'm trying to
0:31:05.390,0:31:11.770
read that out, I think something is lost[br]in the translation. I hope you see what
0:31:11.770,0:31:19.120
that means, but take it in good-meant[br]spirit. How do you define a maritime
0:31:19.120,0:31:27.730
emergency / ship wreckage? Do [br]you already take action for a dinghy with
0:31:27.730,0:31:34.607
a working motor and rescue them? Or is it [br]only about situations where people's lives
0:31:34.607,0:31:40.348
is crucially endangered? Is there some[br]guideline that you can...
0:31:42.668,0:31:46.656
Oh![br]L: Great.
0:31:46.656,0:31:52.506
Herald: What's happened, Toto? Yes.[br]H: He was asking a question...
0:31:57.453,0:32:01.473
L: If this is our Internet, now [br]we can just sit here.
0:32:01.473,0:32:07.280
H: No, I think it's not our Internet, I think [br]it's just the audio signal.
0:32:19.915,0:32:24.585
Herald: I just saw the chat explode, [br]with all the technical stuff.
0:32:54.490,0:33:02.760
Herald: I have so many good questions I[br]would like to ask, but yeah,
0:33:02.760,0:33:06.930
technicalities are the great dictator and[br]we are allowed to go four minutes over,
0:33:06.930,0:33:20.030
right Toto? I'm preparing to go four minutes[br]over. When will we ever be back?
0:34:16.630,0:34:19.200
Give me a go and then I start.
0:34:32.210,0:34:38.450
So second question, so maybe something[br]is lost in the translation,
0:34:38.450,0:34:43.820
but take it in a good[br]spirit. This is about technicalities. How
0:34:43.820,0:34:52.679
do you define a maritime emergency/ship[br]wreckage? Do you already take action for a
0:34:52.679,0:34:57.410
dinghy with a working motor and rescue[br]them? Or is it only about situations where
0:34:57.410,0:35:04.890
people's life is crucially endangered?[br]H: As soon as you enter the central
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Mediterranean Sea and try to make it from[br]e.g. Libya to Italy with a dinghy, with a
0:35:11.830,0:35:15.779
small engine, even if it's working, it's a[br]distress case.
0:35:15.779,0:35:19.730
Herald: Yeah, OK.[br]L: Yeah. And to be honest, it's not only
0:35:19.730,0:35:24.170
if the engine is broken down or there's[br]already water coming in, but those
0:35:24.170,0:35:30.850
dinghies are normally super crowded. And[br]you never know about the weather coming up
0:35:30.850,0:35:35.410
because me personally, I always have this[br]idea of the beautiful central
0:35:35.410,0:35:39.550
Mediterranean Sea with nice weather, no[br]waves at all. But that's definitely not
0:35:39.550,0:35:47.630
the case. So, um, yeah, I think it's not[br]always about this super dramatic scenes,
0:35:47.630,0:35:52.400
but as Hanah said, as soon as you enter[br]those boats, this is not a good idea.
0:35:52.400,0:35:57.609
Herald: And and it's quite a distance and[br]it would take several days to get there
0:35:57.609,0:36:02.110
right? So it is it is not a pleasure[br]cruise or something.
0:36:02.110,0:36:09.010
L: No, I would not say so, not in general.[br]Herald: OK, next question. Is the crew
0:36:09.010,0:36:15.080
also trying to overcome hierarchies on[br]board, are they trying to find structures
0:36:15.080,0:36:22.068
that work without classical captains etc.?[br]L & H: Yes.
0:36:22.068,0:36:27.630
Herald: And, I'm sorry. Go ahead.[br]H: So there is, there is a legal side of
0:36:27.630,0:36:33.661
the things. And so when the ship is on the[br]sea and when it's operating, the person
0:36:33.661,0:36:38.530
who is responsible is always the captain.[br]So the person who's facing all the legal
0:36:38.530,0:36:42.640
consequences are those in powerful[br]positions. And this is something that we
0:36:42.640,0:36:49.060
have to keep in mind. But for all[br]decisions that are made on the ship, it's
0:36:49.060,0:36:58.230
not up to the captain or the leader who's[br]the coordination on the mission or to the
0:36:58.230,0:37:06.180
few powerful positions we have, the[br]decisions get made by all, and we are
0:37:06.180,0:37:15.791
trying to keep it as flat as possible. And[br]of course, everyone's allowed also to say
0:37:15.791,0:37:21.660
his or her opinion and it's going to be[br]acknowledged.
0:37:21.660,0:37:27.580
L: But we have to be honest about that, we[br]have to challenge ourselves to make this
0:37:27.580,0:37:34.870
running, to work with this flat hierarchy.[br]Yeah, we are on it, we are far from
0:37:34.870,0:37:38.750
perfect, but we are trying to improve[br]ourselves every day.
0:37:38.750,0:37:48.510
Herald: Good. OK, the nice people of the[br]signal angel crowd have written me down
0:37:48.510,0:37:54.160
another question. Has there been other[br]attempts to sabotage your work except the
0:37:54.160,0:37:58.970
legal challenges of the ship license,[br]maybe attempts to distract you from
0:37:58.970,0:38:05.340
complicated work, maybe even algorithmic[br]driven behavior recognition or something?
0:38:05.340,0:38:11.990
This is more of a technical question.[br]H: I think I didn't really get the
0:38:11.990,0:38:17.670
question. But to be honest, this legal[br]side of things is quite effective. So
0:38:17.670,0:38:22.080
there was once the question of we can't[br]just leave as a pirate ship without a
0:38:22.080,0:38:35.510
flag. And if we do so and that's an[br]invitation for all armed forces to enter
0:38:35.510,0:38:41.150
our ship. And this is quite effective. And[br]I think the main problem is with all kinds
0:38:41.150,0:38:48.311
of repression. And that's how police also[br]works and is that it is not just trying to
0:38:48.311,0:38:53.380
block you or to sanction you, but it's[br]also about destroying structures. And this
0:38:53.380,0:38:58.710
is what we have to work on and all the[br]structures we are organizing to not let
0:38:58.710,0:39:03.490
them destroy our networks, our[br]connections, our relations and everything
0:39:03.490,0:39:08.800
else.[br]Herald: OK, so this legal action works
0:39:08.800,0:39:15.980
really, really well. So the idea of I've[br]given some context for this. Do you think
0:39:15.980,0:39:23.010
that you're constantly surveyed by others[br]so that they can throw sticks into the
0:39:23.010,0:39:27.960
spinning wheels?[br]L: We definitely have to keep this in mind
0:39:27.960,0:39:34.350
all the time. We would not talk about very[br]sensitive stuff or we are trying very hard
0:39:34.350,0:39:43.710
to protect our data. But we are not sure[br]about this, but we have to keep this in
0:39:43.710,0:39:49.960
mind. I'll be keeping this in mind.[br]Herald: And that's another question about
0:39:49.960,0:39:55.500
the hierarchy on board. More specifically[br]what decision making processes do you use
0:39:55.500,0:39:58.750
on board? Do you want to give us some[br]insight on that?
0:39:58.750,0:40:06.710
H: Yes, of course. We do, we are organized[br]with a small crew, like a core crew, who's
0:40:06.710,0:40:11.359
coordinating and is also kind of decision[br]making. This is sometimes a problem, but
0:40:11.359,0:40:17.920
the ship always works independently of[br]it's core crew. And the crew who is
0:40:17.920,0:40:24.020
involved is organizing themselves so they[br]can have a very structured day, like every
0:40:24.020,0:40:29.550
day morning meetings or try to find other[br]ways to at the moment, the situation with
0:40:29.550,0:40:35.640
the current crew is that we have our[br]construction sites that we are working on,
0:40:35.640,0:40:39.300
but everyone is free to organize[br]themselves. If they want to work up to 11
0:40:39.300,0:40:42.370
in the evening, they're more than welcome.[br]But we will stop them at some point
0:40:42.370,0:40:48.600
because we don't want, we have an anti burn[br]out policy. So then they also have to start
0:40:48.600,0:40:59.050
later. So, no, we don't really have a[br]plan, but we are trying to give the
0:40:59.050,0:41:04.240
communication to those or the organization[br]to those who are doing it. That means the
0:41:04.240,0:41:10.000
ship organizes itself and the core crew[br]is trying to to take care of all the
0:41:10.000,0:41:16.680
organizational side of the things. That[br]means caring about money, about
0:41:16.680,0:41:26.650
registration, the legal aspects. But at[br]least we are always giving a big part of
0:41:26.650,0:41:30.479
our responsibilities that we have as a[br]core crew at the moment. And they wanted me
0:41:30.479,0:41:36.040
a part of the core crew. And the ship crew[br]is doing their own organization together
0:41:36.040,0:41:43.710
with us. So, yeah.[br]Herald: Yeah. For information for the
0:41:43.710,0:41:49.090
studio, I'm planning to go four minutes[br]over and I'm already one over. So there's
0:41:49.090,0:41:57.330
room for two more questions. After having[br]rescued people do you social distance them
0:41:57.330,0:42:04.920
because of their unknown health status.[br]This is a Corona related one.
0:42:04.920,0:42:07.460
L: Yeah. Lovely. I'm so happy to talk[br]about this.
0:42:07.460,0:42:15.830
Herald: Aren't we all.[br]L: Yeah, great. Finally. So after the
0:42:15.830,0:42:26.610
rescue we try to wear masks and to hand[br]over masks to our guests and for sure the
0:42:26.610,0:42:31.470
guests, they had to, it was mandatory for[br]them to quarantine when they came on land
0:42:31.470,0:42:37.851
in Italy. And we tried to make everything[br]possible to keep the guests healthy, like
0:42:37.851,0:42:42.570
protecting them from our possible[br]infection, but also trying to protect the
0:42:42.570,0:42:47.820
crew from getting infected. So this is a[br]small boat. We have to be realistic. It's
0:42:47.820,0:42:54.280
not possible to social distance like two[br]meters like there is no way. But we do
0:42:54.280,0:42:59.070
everything possible to protect us and[br]other people.
0:42:59.070,0:43:06.390
H: And I think we have to add to this,[br]that this corona thing is used from the
0:43:06.390,0:43:14.340
authorities to stop us because they say[br]it's not possible on some NGO ships to
0:43:14.340,0:43:24.630
keep the social distance, to ban [us]. And[br]to be honest, when you look at the
0:43:24.630,0:43:29.130
situation on the Mediterranean Sea, when[br]you have a question about drowning or
0:43:29.130,0:43:32.210
spreading Corona, I would prefer spreading[br]Corona. Yeah.
0:43:32.210,0:43:39.680
L: So we we think Corona should not be an[br]excuse to close harbors or to block ships
0:43:39.680,0:43:46.870
because as you all know treat first what[br]kills first and drowning kills you first.
0:43:46.870,0:43:52.310
And Corona is quite a bad thing and very[br]serious, but it should not be an excuse to
0:43:52.310,0:44:01.031
close our borders.[br]Herald: And follow up on that. You said in
0:44:01.031,0:44:09.030
your talk that the Louise Michel is a safe[br]space. Do you advertise or announce this
0:44:09.030,0:44:17.580
in any way when you rescue somebody? Do[br]you have a standard procedure where you
0:44:17.580,0:44:21.590
say, listen, this is a little bit[br]different as other ships or something like
0:44:21.590,0:44:28.130
that? Or how do you approach those you are[br]rescuing and inform them about that? I
0:44:28.130,0:44:32.619
think it's not the first step. But how do[br]you do this kind of information?
0:44:32.619,0:44:38.619
H: I would just say first that we are not[br]a safe space, but we are trying to get as
0:44:38.619,0:44:43.950
close as possible. And the rest I have to[br]hand over to Leona.
0:44:43.950,0:44:48.810
L: We are definitely talking to our guests[br]about this, telling them that we are
0:44:48.810,0:44:57.440
living very close on a very small space[br]and that this is a safe space. So there's
0:44:57.440,0:45:02.859
no place for racism or any kind of[br]discrimination, weapons, drugs whatsoever.
0:45:02.859,0:45:10.380
So this is definitely a topic and it works[br]at least what I experience, It's it wasn't
0:45:10.380,0:45:15.910
a problem at all. So there was a huge[br]respect from the people on the move and
0:45:15.910,0:45:20.700
from the crew among each other. That was[br]great to see.
0:45:20.700,0:45:31.430
Herald: So our time is up. Thank you so[br]much for coming to us live from the boat
0:45:31.430,0:45:39.609
Louise Michel. It was a pleasure. And now[br]it is my great pleasure to hand over to
0:45:39.609,0:45:45.870
the Herald news show, which will be live[br]from Bielefeld Heideblümchen. And, see you
0:45:45.870,0:45:51.650
in the next talk. Bye.[br]L: Thank you. Bye.
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