1 00:00:00,928 --> 00:00:02,349 Why do we cheat? 2 00:00:04,420 --> 00:00:06,928 And why do happy people cheat? 3 00:00:08,641 --> 00:00:13,447 And when we say "infidelity," what exactly do we mean? 4 00:00:14,207 --> 00:00:20,586 Is it a hookup, a love story, paid sex, a chat room, 5 00:00:20,586 --> 00:00:22,625 a massage with a happy ending? 6 00:00:24,356 --> 00:00:29,494 Why do we think that men cheat out of boredom and fear of intimacy, 7 00:00:29,494 --> 00:00:34,256 but women cheat out of loneliness and hunger for intimacy? 8 00:00:35,769 --> 00:00:39,999 And is an affair always the end of a relationship? 9 00:00:41,294 --> 00:00:44,490 For the past 10 years, I have traveled the globe 10 00:00:44,490 --> 00:00:47,535 and worked extensively with hundreds of couples 11 00:00:47,535 --> 00:00:49,722 who have been shattered by infidelity. 12 00:00:50,999 --> 00:00:54,602 There is one simple act of transgression 13 00:00:54,641 --> 00:00:58,990 that can rob a couple of their relationship, 14 00:00:59,015 --> 00:01:03,245 their happiness and their very identity: an affair. 15 00:01:03,903 --> 00:01:09,117 And yet, this extremely common act is so poorly understood. 16 00:01:10,593 --> 00:01:15,224 So this talk is for anyone who has ever loved. 17 00:01:17,681 --> 00:01:21,525 Adultery has existed since marriage was invented, 18 00:01:21,525 --> 00:01:24,070 and so, too, the taboo against it. 19 00:01:25,094 --> 00:01:30,827 In fact, infidelity has a tenacity that marriage can only envy, 20 00:01:30,827 --> 00:01:34,285 so much so, that this is the only commandment 21 00:01:34,289 --> 00:01:38,221 that is repeated twice in the Bible: 22 00:01:38,221 --> 00:01:42,325 once for doing it, and once just for thinking about it. 23 00:01:42,349 --> 00:01:44,595 (Laughter) 24 00:01:44,619 --> 00:01:48,922 So how do we reconcile what is universally forbidden, 25 00:01:48,922 --> 00:01:51,367 yet universally practiced? 26 00:01:53,058 --> 00:01:58,036 Now, throughout history, men practically had a license to cheat 27 00:01:58,036 --> 00:02:00,331 with little consequence, 28 00:02:00,331 --> 00:02:04,739 and supported by a host of biological and evolutionary theories 29 00:02:04,739 --> 00:02:07,315 that justified their need to roam, 30 00:02:07,315 --> 00:02:11,292 so the double standard is as old as adultery itself. 31 00:02:12,403 --> 00:02:17,716 But who knows what's really going on under the sheets there, right? 32 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:19,752 Because when it comes to sex, 33 00:02:19,776 --> 00:02:23,939 the pressure for men is to boast and to exaggerate, 34 00:02:23,939 --> 00:02:29,484 but the pressure for women is to hide, minimize and deny, 35 00:02:29,484 --> 00:02:33,710 which isn't surprising when you consider that there are still nine countries 36 00:02:33,710 --> 00:02:36,234 where women can be killed for straying. 37 00:02:37,825 --> 00:02:42,420 Now, monogamy used to be one person for life. 38 00:02:42,912 --> 00:02:45,515 Today, monogamy is one person at a time. 39 00:02:46,268 --> 00:02:48,133 (Laughter) 40 00:02:48,158 --> 00:02:50,023 (Applause) 41 00:02:52,364 --> 00:02:54,300 I mean, many of you probably have said, 42 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:56,888 "I am monogamous in all my relationships." 43 00:02:57,460 --> 00:02:59,863 (Laughter) 44 00:03:00,617 --> 00:03:02,260 We used to marry, 45 00:03:02,260 --> 00:03:04,169 and had sex for the first time. 46 00:03:04,614 --> 00:03:06,076 But now we marry, 47 00:03:06,076 --> 00:03:08,003 and we stop having sex with others. 48 00:03:09,455 --> 00:03:13,677 The fact is that monogamy had nothing to do with love. 49 00:03:14,332 --> 00:03:16,895 Men relied on women's fidelity 50 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,959 in order to know whose children these are, 51 00:03:19,959 --> 00:03:22,300 and who gets the cows when I die. 52 00:03:24,205 --> 00:03:26,655 Now, everyone wants to know 53 00:03:26,655 --> 00:03:28,403 what percentage of people cheat. 54 00:03:28,403 --> 00:03:31,634 I've been asked that question since I arrived at this conference. 55 00:03:31,658 --> 00:03:34,236 (Laughter) 56 00:03:34,260 --> 00:03:35,640 It applies to you. 57 00:03:36,466 --> 00:03:40,959 But the definition of infidelity keeps on expanding: 58 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:46,021 sexting, watching porn, staying secretly active on dating apps. 59 00:03:46,332 --> 00:03:50,817 So because there is no universally agreed-upon definition 60 00:03:50,817 --> 00:03:53,956 of what even constitutes an infidelity, 61 00:03:53,956 --> 00:03:59,586 estimates vary widely, from 26 percent to 75 percent. 62 00:04:00,728 --> 00:04:03,959 But on top of it, we are walking contradictions. 63 00:04:04,173 --> 00:04:07,792 So 95 percent of us will say that it is terribly wrong 64 00:04:07,792 --> 00:04:10,969 for our partner to lie about having an affair, 65 00:04:10,969 --> 00:04:13,190 but just about the same amount of us will say 66 00:04:13,214 --> 00:04:16,348 that that's exactly what we would do if we were having one. 67 00:04:16,372 --> 00:04:18,808 (Laughter) 68 00:04:19,872 --> 00:04:23,577 Now, I like this definition of an affair -- 69 00:04:23,577 --> 00:04:27,326 it brings together the three key elements: 70 00:04:27,326 --> 00:04:33,032 a secretive relationship, which is the core structure of an affair; 71 00:04:33,032 --> 00:04:37,826 an emotional connection to one degree or another; 72 00:04:37,826 --> 00:04:39,466 and a sexual alchemy. 73 00:04:40,355 --> 00:04:43,337 And alchemy is the key word here, 74 00:04:43,337 --> 00:04:50,265 because the erotic frisson is such that the kiss that you only imagine giving, 75 00:04:50,265 --> 00:04:53,349 can be as powerful and as enchanting 76 00:04:53,349 --> 00:04:55,839 as hours of actual lovemaking. 77 00:04:57,759 --> 00:04:59,315 As Marcel Proust said, 78 00:04:59,340 --> 00:05:04,640 it's our imagination that is responsible for love, not the other person. 79 00:05:05,902 --> 00:05:09,758 So it's never been easier to cheat, 80 00:05:09,762 --> 00:05:13,235 and it's never been more difficult to keep a secret. 81 00:05:13,999 --> 00:05:18,459 And never has infidelity exacted such a psychological toll. 82 00:05:19,975 --> 00:05:23,342 When marriage was an economic enterprise, 83 00:05:23,342 --> 00:05:26,308 infidelity threatened our economic security. 84 00:05:27,083 --> 00:05:29,959 But now that marriage is a romantic arrangement, 85 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:33,779 infidelity threatens our emotional security. 86 00:05:33,779 --> 00:05:38,040 Ironically, we used to turn to adultery -- 87 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,269 that was the space where we sought pure love. 88 00:05:41,293 --> 00:05:43,482 But now that we seek love in marriage, 89 00:05:43,482 --> 00:05:45,142 adultery destroys it. 90 00:05:46,943 --> 00:05:51,347 Now, there are three ways that I think infidelity hurts differently today. 91 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:59,613 We have a romantic ideal in which we turn to one person 92 00:05:59,613 --> 00:06:02,810 to fulfill an endless list of needs: 93 00:06:02,810 --> 00:06:06,435 to be my greatest lover, my best friend, 94 00:06:06,460 --> 00:06:09,579 the best parent, my trusted confidante, 95 00:06:09,603 --> 00:06:12,657 my emotional companion, my intellectual equal. 96 00:06:13,625 --> 00:06:17,935 And I am it: I'm chosen, I'm unique, 97 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:21,261 I'm indispensable, I'm irreplaceable, 98 00:06:21,285 --> 00:06:22,435 I'm the one. 99 00:06:23,356 --> 00:06:26,514 And infidelity tells me I'm not. 100 00:06:27,308 --> 00:06:29,197 It is the ultimate betrayal. 101 00:06:29,999 --> 00:06:33,125 Infidelity shatters the grand ambition of love. 102 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,657 But if throughout history, infidelity has always been painful, 103 00:06:39,681 --> 00:06:41,935 today it is often traumatic, 104 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:45,030 because it threatens our sense of self. 105 00:06:45,054 --> 00:06:47,823 So my patient Fernando, he's plagued. 106 00:06:47,847 --> 00:06:50,601 He goes on: "I thought I knew my life. 107 00:06:50,625 --> 00:06:54,807 I thought I knew who you were, who we were as a couple, who I was. 108 00:06:54,831 --> 00:06:57,022 Now, I question everything." 109 00:06:57,632 --> 00:07:02,825 Infidelity -- a violation of trust, a crisis of identity. 110 00:07:02,849 --> 00:07:05,124 "Can I ever trust you again?" he asks. 111 00:07:05,148 --> 00:07:07,450 "Can I ever trust anyone again?" 112 00:07:08,824 --> 00:07:11,911 And this is also what my patient Heather is telling me, 113 00:07:11,935 --> 00:07:14,538 when she's talking to me about her story with Nick. 114 00:07:14,562 --> 00:07:15,998 Married, two kids. 115 00:07:16,022 --> 00:07:18,665 Nick just left on a business trip, 116 00:07:18,689 --> 00:07:22,196 and Heather is playing on his iPad with the boys, 117 00:07:22,220 --> 00:07:25,133 when she sees a message appear on the screen: 118 00:07:25,157 --> 00:07:26,665 "Can't wait to see you." 119 00:07:27,625 --> 00:07:30,054 Strange, she thinks, we just saw each other. 120 00:07:30,863 --> 00:07:32,299 And then another message: 121 00:07:32,903 --> 00:07:35,070 "Can't wait to hold you in my arms." 122 00:07:35,999 --> 00:07:38,269 And Heather realizes 123 00:07:38,293 --> 00:07:39,451 these are not for her. 124 00:07:40,435 --> 00:07:43,808 She also tells me that her father had affairs, 125 00:07:43,832 --> 00:07:47,753 but her mother, she found one little receipt in the pocket, 126 00:07:47,777 --> 00:07:49,935 and a little bit of lipstick on the collar. 127 00:07:51,221 --> 00:07:54,626 Heather, she goes digging, 128 00:07:54,650 --> 00:07:57,689 and she finds hundreds of messages, 129 00:07:57,713 --> 00:08:01,396 and photos exchanged and desires expressed. 130 00:08:01,420 --> 00:08:04,134 The vivid details of Nick's two-year affair 131 00:08:04,158 --> 00:08:07,300 unfold in front of her in real time, 132 00:08:07,999 --> 00:08:09,277 And it made me think: 133 00:08:09,302 --> 00:08:14,318 affairs in the digital age are death by a thousand cuts. 134 00:08:15,934 --> 00:08:19,148 But then we have another paradox that we're dealing with these days. 135 00:08:19,173 --> 00:08:21,443 Because of this romantic ideal, 136 00:08:21,467 --> 00:08:26,475 we are relying on our partner's fidelity with a unique fervor. 137 00:08:26,999 --> 00:08:30,550 But we also have never been more inclined to stray, 138 00:08:30,574 --> 00:08:33,291 and not because we have new desires today, 139 00:08:33,315 --> 00:08:35,016 but because we live in an era 140 00:08:35,041 --> 00:08:38,718 where we feel that we are entitled to pursue our desires, 141 00:08:38,742 --> 00:08:42,138 because this is the culture where I deserve to be happy. 142 00:08:43,268 --> 00:08:47,031 And if we used to divorce because we were unhappy, 143 00:08:47,055 --> 00:08:49,864 today we divorce because we could be happier. 144 00:08:51,562 --> 00:08:54,863 And if divorce carried all the shame, 145 00:08:54,887 --> 00:08:58,904 today, choosing to stay when you can leave 146 00:08:58,928 --> 00:09:00,102 is the new shame. 147 00:09:00,657 --> 00:09:03,174 So Heather, she can't talk to her friends 148 00:09:03,198 --> 00:09:06,435 because she's afraid that they will judge her for still loving Nick, 149 00:09:06,459 --> 00:09:09,983 and everywhere she turns, she gets the same advice: 150 00:09:10,007 --> 00:09:12,602 leave him, throw the dog on the curb. 151 00:09:13,744 --> 00:09:18,737 And if the situation was reversed, Nick would be in the same situation. 152 00:09:19,070 --> 00:09:21,364 Staying is the new shame. 153 00:09:23,395 --> 00:09:26,425 So if we can divorce, 154 00:09:26,449 --> 00:09:28,455 why do we still have affairs? 155 00:09:29,999 --> 00:09:34,599 Now, the typical assumption is that if someone cheats, 156 00:09:34,623 --> 00:09:38,408 either there's something wrong in your relationship or wrong with you. 157 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,686 But millions of people can't all be pathological. 158 00:09:44,383 --> 00:09:48,317 The logic goes like this: if you have everything you need at home, 159 00:09:48,341 --> 00:09:51,730 then there is no need to go looking elsewhere, 160 00:09:51,755 --> 00:09:55,182 assuming that there is such a thing as a perfect marriage 161 00:09:55,207 --> 00:09:58,038 that will inoculate us against wanderlust. 162 00:09:59,165 --> 00:10:02,499 But what if passion has a finite shelf life? 163 00:10:03,624 --> 00:10:07,354 What if there are things that even a good relationship 164 00:10:07,378 --> 00:10:08,743 can never provide? 165 00:10:10,187 --> 00:10:13,448 If even happy people cheat, 166 00:10:13,472 --> 00:10:14,798 what is it about? 167 00:10:16,765 --> 00:10:19,647 The vast majority of people that I actually work with 168 00:10:19,671 --> 00:10:22,425 are not at all chronic philanderers. 169 00:10:22,449 --> 00:10:26,481 They are often people who are deeply monogamous in their beliefs, 170 00:10:26,505 --> 00:10:28,048 and at least for their partner. 171 00:10:28,865 --> 00:10:31,517 But they find themselves in a conflict 172 00:10:31,541 --> 00:10:34,540 between their values and their behavior. 173 00:10:35,572 --> 00:10:39,961 They often are people who have actually been faithful for decades, 174 00:10:39,985 --> 00:10:42,580 but one day they cross a line 175 00:10:42,604 --> 00:10:45,073 that they never thought they would cross, 176 00:10:45,097 --> 00:10:47,794 and at the risk of losing everything. 177 00:10:48,730 --> 00:10:50,635 But for a glimmer of what? 178 00:10:51,969 --> 00:10:54,975 Affairs are an act of betrayal, 179 00:10:54,999 --> 00:10:57,705 and they are also an expression of longing and loss. 180 00:10:58,610 --> 00:11:02,594 At the heart of an affair, you will often find 181 00:11:02,618 --> 00:11:06,855 a longing and a yearning for an emotional connection, 182 00:11:06,879 --> 00:11:12,705 for novelty, for freedom, for autonomy, for sexual intensity, 183 00:11:12,729 --> 00:11:16,362 a wish to recapture lost parts of ourselves 184 00:11:16,386 --> 00:11:21,540 or an attempt to bring back vitality in the face of loss and tragedy. 185 00:11:22,849 --> 00:11:25,882 Now I'm thinking about another patient of mine, Priya, 186 00:11:25,906 --> 00:11:28,428 who is blissfully married, 187 00:11:28,452 --> 00:11:29,873 loves her husband, 188 00:11:29,897 --> 00:11:32,230 and would never want to hurt the man. 189 00:11:32,713 --> 00:11:34,857 But, she also tells me 190 00:11:34,881 --> 00:11:38,111 that she's always done what was expected of her: 191 00:11:38,135 --> 00:11:41,801 good girl, good wife, good mother, 192 00:11:41,825 --> 00:11:44,723 taking care of her immigrant parents. 193 00:11:44,747 --> 00:11:49,189 Priya -- she fell for the arborist who removed the tree from her yard 194 00:11:49,214 --> 00:11:50,675 after Hurricane Sandy. 195 00:11:51,524 --> 00:11:56,087 And with his truck and his tattoos, he's quite the opposite of her. 196 00:11:57,547 --> 00:12:02,769 But at 47, Priya's affair is about the adolescence that she never had. 197 00:12:03,753 --> 00:12:09,126 And her story highlights for me that when we seek the gaze of another, 198 00:12:09,150 --> 00:12:13,784 it isn't always our partner that we are turning away from, 199 00:12:13,808 --> 00:12:16,585 but the person that we have ourselves become. 200 00:12:17,728 --> 00:12:21,380 And it isn't so much that we're looking for another person, 201 00:12:21,404 --> 00:12:24,816 as much as we are looking for another self. 202 00:12:27,045 --> 00:12:28,618 Now, all over the world, 203 00:12:28,642 --> 00:12:32,458 there is one word that people who have affairs always tell me. 204 00:12:33,030 --> 00:12:34,911 They feel alive. 205 00:12:36,046 --> 00:12:40,292 And they often will tell me stories of recent losses -- 206 00:12:40,316 --> 00:12:42,157 of a parent who died, 207 00:12:42,181 --> 00:12:44,347 and a friend that went too soon, 208 00:12:44,371 --> 00:12:46,141 and bad news at the doctor. 209 00:12:47,482 --> 00:12:52,164 Death and mortality often live in the shadow of an affair, 210 00:12:52,188 --> 00:12:54,608 because they raise these questions. 211 00:12:54,632 --> 00:12:57,536 Is this it? Is there more? 212 00:12:57,901 --> 00:13:00,957 Am I going on for another 25 years like this? 213 00:13:01,870 --> 00:13:04,362 Will I ever feel that thing again? 214 00:13:06,377 --> 00:13:10,814 And it has led me to think that perhaps these questions 215 00:13:10,838 --> 00:13:13,973 are the ones that propel people to cross the line, 216 00:13:13,997 --> 00:13:17,975 and that some affairs are an attempt to beat back deadness, 217 00:13:17,999 --> 00:13:19,735 and be an antidote to death. 218 00:13:21,999 --> 00:13:24,903 And contrary to what you may think, 219 00:13:24,927 --> 00:13:29,919 affairs are way less about sex, and a lot more about desire: 220 00:13:29,943 --> 00:13:33,428 desire for attention, desire to feel special, 221 00:13:33,452 --> 00:13:35,308 desire to feel important. 222 00:13:36,237 --> 00:13:39,253 And the very structure of an affair, 223 00:13:39,277 --> 00:13:41,499 the fact that you can never have your lover, 224 00:13:41,523 --> 00:13:42,944 keeps you wanting. 225 00:13:42,968 --> 00:13:45,975 That in itself is a desire machine, 226 00:13:45,999 --> 00:13:48,752 because the incompleteness, the ambiguity, 227 00:13:48,777 --> 00:13:51,522 keeps you wanting that which you can't have. 228 00:13:53,641 --> 00:13:55,173 Now some of you probably think 229 00:13:55,197 --> 00:13:58,823 that affairs don't happen in open relationships, 230 00:13:58,847 --> 00:13:59,998 but they do. 231 00:14:00,432 --> 00:14:03,497 First of all, the conversation about monogamy is not the same 232 00:14:03,522 --> 00:14:05,743 as the conversation about infidelity. 233 00:14:06,468 --> 00:14:09,975 But the fact is, that it seems that even when we have 234 00:14:09,999 --> 00:14:12,658 the freedom to have other sexual partners, 235 00:14:12,682 --> 00:14:16,736 we still seem to be lured by the power of the forbidden, 236 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,213 that if we do that which we are not supposed to do, 237 00:14:20,237 --> 00:14:23,006 then we feel like we are really doing what we want to. 238 00:14:25,331 --> 00:14:28,951 And I've also told quite a few of my patients 239 00:14:28,975 --> 00:14:33,562 that if they could bring into their relationships 240 00:14:33,586 --> 00:14:37,213 one tenth of the boldness, the imagination, and the verve 241 00:14:37,237 --> 00:14:38,895 that they put into their affairs, 242 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:41,124 they probably would never need to see me. 243 00:14:41,148 --> 00:14:43,148 (Laughter) 244 00:14:44,362 --> 00:14:46,647 So how do we heal from an affair? 245 00:14:48,428 --> 00:14:50,347 Desire runs deep. 246 00:14:50,371 --> 00:14:52,242 Betrayal runs deep. 247 00:14:53,266 --> 00:14:54,821 But it can be healed. 248 00:14:55,999 --> 00:14:58,920 And some affairs are death knells 249 00:14:58,944 --> 00:15:01,682 for relationships that were already dying on the vine. 250 00:15:02,753 --> 00:15:05,929 But others will jolt us into new possibilities. 251 00:15:05,953 --> 00:15:07,952 The fact is, the majority of couples 252 00:15:07,976 --> 00:15:10,150 who have experienced affairs stay together. 253 00:15:10,766 --> 00:15:13,405 But some of them will merely survive, 254 00:15:13,429 --> 00:15:18,103 and others will actually be able to turn a crisis into an opportunity. 255 00:15:18,817 --> 00:15:22,460 They'll be able to turn this into a generative experience. 256 00:15:22,484 --> 00:15:26,198 And I'm actually thinking even more so for the deceived partner, 257 00:15:26,222 --> 00:15:27,564 who will often say, 258 00:15:27,588 --> 00:15:29,390 "You think I didn't want more? 259 00:15:29,415 --> 00:15:31,207 But I'm not the one who did it." 260 00:15:31,968 --> 00:15:34,126 But now that the affair is exposed, 261 00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:36,260 they, too, get to claim more, 262 00:15:36,284 --> 00:15:38,891 and they no longer have to uphold the status quo 263 00:15:38,916 --> 00:15:41,800 that may not have been working for them that well, either. 264 00:15:44,221 --> 00:15:47,126 I've noticed that a lot of couples, 265 00:15:47,150 --> 00:15:49,277 in the immediate aftermath of an affair, 266 00:15:49,301 --> 00:15:53,603 because of this new disorder that may actually lead to a new order, 267 00:15:53,627 --> 00:15:57,175 will have depths of conversations with honesty and openness 268 00:15:57,199 --> 00:15:58,824 that they haven't had in decades. 269 00:15:59,743 --> 00:16:02,695 And, partners who were sexually indifferent 270 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,295 find themselves suddenly so lustfully voracious, 271 00:16:05,319 --> 00:16:08,634 they don't know where it's coming from. 272 00:16:08,658 --> 00:16:12,547 Something about the fear of loss will rekindle desire, 273 00:16:12,571 --> 00:16:15,840 and make way for an entirely new kind of truth. 274 00:16:18,133 --> 00:16:21,030 So when an affair is exposed, 275 00:16:21,054 --> 00:16:24,165 what are some of the specific things that couples can do? 276 00:16:26,133 --> 00:16:30,260 We know from trauma that healing begins 277 00:16:30,284 --> 00:16:34,196 when the perpetrator acknowledges their wrongdoing. 278 00:16:35,339 --> 00:16:39,076 So for the partner who had the affair, 279 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:40,688 for Nick, 280 00:16:40,712 --> 00:16:42,443 one thing is to end the affair, 281 00:16:42,467 --> 00:16:47,975 but the other is the essential, important act of expressing 282 00:16:47,999 --> 00:16:50,865 guilt and remorse for hurting his wife. 283 00:16:50,889 --> 00:16:52,350 But the truth is, 284 00:16:52,374 --> 00:16:55,421 I have noticed that quite a lot of people who have affairs 285 00:16:55,445 --> 00:16:58,509 may feel terribly guilty for hurting their partner, 286 00:16:58,533 --> 00:17:01,676 but they don't feel guilty for the experience of the affair itself. 287 00:17:02,135 --> 00:17:03,976 And that distinction is important. 288 00:17:05,230 --> 00:17:08,856 And Nick, he needs to hold vigil for the relationship. 289 00:17:09,293 --> 00:17:12,342 He needs to become, for a while, the protector of the boundaries. 290 00:17:12,366 --> 00:17:14,975 It's his responsibility to bring it up, 291 00:17:14,999 --> 00:17:16,975 because if he thinks about it, 292 00:17:16,999 --> 00:17:19,975 he can relieve Heather from the obsession, 293 00:17:19,999 --> 00:17:23,975 and from having to make sure that the affair isn't forgotten, 294 00:17:23,999 --> 00:17:26,332 and that in itself begins to restore trust. 295 00:17:27,570 --> 00:17:29,435 But for Heather, 296 00:17:29,459 --> 00:17:31,190 or deceived partners, 297 00:17:31,214 --> 00:17:35,182 it is essential to do things that bring back a sense of self-worth, 298 00:17:35,206 --> 00:17:40,245 to surround oneself with love and with friends and activities 299 00:17:40,269 --> 00:17:43,912 that give back joy and meaning and identity. 300 00:17:43,936 --> 00:17:45,975 But even more important, 301 00:17:45,999 --> 00:17:50,808 is to curb the curiosity to mine for the sordid details -- 302 00:17:50,832 --> 00:17:52,975 Where were you? Where did you do it? 303 00:17:52,999 --> 00:17:56,107 How often? Is she better than me in bed? -- 304 00:17:56,131 --> 00:17:58,531 questions that only inflict more pain, 305 00:17:58,555 --> 00:17:59,959 and keep you awake at night. 306 00:18:00,674 --> 00:18:05,396 And instead, switch to what I call the investigative questions, 307 00:18:05,420 --> 00:18:08,650 the ones that mine the meaning and the motives -- 308 00:18:08,674 --> 00:18:11,213 What did this affair mean for you? 309 00:18:11,237 --> 00:18:13,975 What were you able to express or experience there, 310 00:18:13,999 --> 00:18:16,190 that you could no longer do with me? 311 00:18:16,214 --> 00:18:19,262 What was it like for you when you came home? 312 00:18:19,286 --> 00:18:22,761 What is it about us that you value? 313 00:18:22,785 --> 00:18:24,737 Are you pleased this is over? 314 00:18:26,404 --> 00:18:30,801 Every affair will redefine a relationship, 315 00:18:30,825 --> 00:18:33,633 and every couple will determine 316 00:18:33,657 --> 00:18:36,142 what the legacy of the affair will be. 317 00:18:37,649 --> 00:18:41,411 But affairs are here to stay, and they're not going away. 318 00:18:42,316 --> 00:18:44,975 And the dilemmas of love and desire, 319 00:18:44,999 --> 00:18:50,975 don't yield just simple answers of black and white and good and bad, 320 00:18:50,999 --> 00:18:52,903 and victim and perpetrator. 321 00:18:54,221 --> 00:18:58,381 Betrayal in a relationship comes in many forms. 322 00:18:58,406 --> 00:19:00,666 There are many ways that we betray our partner: 323 00:19:00,690 --> 00:19:02,975 with contempt, with neglect, 324 00:19:02,999 --> 00:19:05,292 with indifference, with violence. 325 00:19:05,999 --> 00:19:09,523 Sexual betrayal is only one way to hurt a partner. 326 00:19:09,547 --> 00:19:12,087 In other words, the victim of an affair 327 00:19:12,111 --> 00:19:14,983 is not always the victim of the marriage. 328 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,244 Now, you've listened to me, 329 00:19:20,268 --> 00:19:22,459 and I know what you're thinking: 330 00:19:22,483 --> 00:19:26,197 She has a French accent, she must be pro-affair. 331 00:19:26,697 --> 00:19:29,999 (Laughter) 332 00:19:31,761 --> 00:19:33,595 So, you're wrong. 333 00:19:33,619 --> 00:19:35,174 I am not French. 334 00:19:35,666 --> 00:19:38,119 (Laughter) 335 00:19:38,143 --> 00:19:41,023 (Applause) 336 00:19:41,602 --> 00:19:43,269 And I'm not pro-affair. 337 00:19:44,674 --> 00:19:49,254 But because I think that good can come out of an affair, 338 00:19:49,278 --> 00:19:52,389 I have often been asked this very strange question: 339 00:19:52,413 --> 00:19:54,150 would I ever recommend it? 340 00:19:55,514 --> 00:19:58,531 Now, I would no more recommend you have an affair 341 00:19:58,555 --> 00:20:01,085 than I would recommend you have cancer, 342 00:20:01,109 --> 00:20:03,808 and yet we know that people who have been ill 343 00:20:03,832 --> 00:20:07,950 often talk about how their illness has yielded them a new perspective. 344 00:20:08,569 --> 00:20:12,052 The main question that I've been asked since I arrived at this conference 345 00:20:12,076 --> 00:20:15,417 when I said I would talk about infidelity is, for or against? 346 00:20:16,488 --> 00:20:17,749 I said, "Yes." 347 00:20:18,162 --> 00:20:20,583 (Laughter) 348 00:20:21,868 --> 00:20:25,511 I look at affairs from a dual perspective: 349 00:20:25,535 --> 00:20:29,169 hurt and betrayal on one side, 350 00:20:29,193 --> 00:20:32,535 growth and self-discovery on the other, 351 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:35,605 what it did to you, and what it meant for me. 352 00:20:36,621 --> 00:20:41,355 And so when a couple comes to me in the aftermath of an affair, 353 00:20:41,379 --> 00:20:43,228 that has been revealed, 354 00:20:43,252 --> 00:20:45,536 I will often tell them this: 355 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,831 today in the West, 356 00:20:47,855 --> 00:20:52,760 most of us are going to have two or three relationships 357 00:20:52,784 --> 00:20:54,419 or marriages, 358 00:20:54,443 --> 00:20:57,538 and some of us are going to do it with the same person. 359 00:20:58,666 --> 00:21:00,911 You first marriage is over. 360 00:21:01,633 --> 00:21:04,474 Would you like to create a second one together? 361 00:21:05,164 --> 00:21:06,595 Thank you. 362 00:21:06,619 --> 00:21:13,253 (Applause)