WEBVTT 00:00:00.904 --> 00:00:03.644 Why do we cheat? 00:00:03.644 --> 00:00:07.023 And why do happy people cheat? 00:00:08.442 --> 00:00:11.390 And when we say "infidelity," 00:00:11.390 --> 00:00:14.154 what exactly do we mean? 00:00:14.154 --> 00:00:17.520 Is it a hookup, a love story, 00:00:17.520 --> 00:00:20.701 hate sex, a chat room, 00:00:20.701 --> 00:00:24.138 a massage with happy endings? 00:00:24.138 --> 00:00:26.471 Why do we think that men cheat 00:00:26.471 --> 00:00:29.503 out of boredom and fear of intimacy, 00:00:29.503 --> 00:00:32.243 but women cheat out of loneliness 00:00:32.243 --> 00:00:35.656 and hunger for intimacy? 00:00:35.656 --> 00:00:39.338 And is an affair always the end of a relationship? NOTE Paragraph 00:00:41.020 --> 00:00:42.915 For the past 10 years, 00:00:42.915 --> 00:00:44.471 I have traveled the globe 00:00:44.471 --> 00:00:46.305 and worked extensively 00:00:46.305 --> 00:00:50.693 with hundreds of couples who have been shattered by infidelity. 00:00:50.693 --> 00:00:54.617 There is one simple act of transgression 00:00:54.617 --> 00:00:56.684 that can rob a couple 00:00:56.684 --> 00:01:00.353 from their relationship, their happiness, 00:01:00.353 --> 00:01:03.859 and their very identity: an affair. 00:01:03.859 --> 00:01:06.947 And yet, this extremely common act 00:01:06.947 --> 00:01:10.453 is so poorly understood. 00:01:10.453 --> 00:01:15.527 So this talk is for anyone who has ever loved. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:17.177 --> 00:01:21.310 Adultery has existed since marriage was invented, 00:01:21.310 --> 00:01:25.025 and so to the taboo against it. 00:01:25.025 --> 00:01:28.462 In fact, infidelity has a tenacity 00:01:28.462 --> 00:01:30.752 that marriage can only envy, 00:01:30.752 --> 00:01:34.281 so much so that this is the only commandment 00:01:34.281 --> 00:01:38.182 that is repeated twice in the Bible: 00:01:38.182 --> 00:01:39.993 once for doing it, 00:01:39.993 --> 00:01:42.175 and once just for thinking about it. 00:01:42.175 --> 00:01:44.512 (Laughter) 00:01:44.512 --> 00:01:46.648 So how do we reconcile 00:01:46.648 --> 00:01:48.877 what is universally forbidden 00:01:48.877 --> 00:01:53.149 yet universally practiced? NOTE Paragraph 00:01:53.149 --> 00:01:54.937 Now, throughout history, 00:01:54.937 --> 00:01:58.095 men practically had a license to cheat 00:01:58.095 --> 00:02:00.254 with little consequence, 00:02:00.254 --> 00:02:04.550 and supported by a host of biological and evolutionary theories 00:02:04.550 --> 00:02:07.452 that justified their need to roam, 00:02:07.452 --> 00:02:12.328 so the double standard is as old as adultery itself. 00:02:12.328 --> 00:02:15.695 But who knows what's really going on 00:02:15.695 --> 00:02:17.877 under the sheets there, right? 00:02:17.877 --> 00:02:19.874 Because when it comes to sex, 00:02:19.874 --> 00:02:21.476 the pressure for men 00:02:21.476 --> 00:02:23.914 is to boast and to exaggerate, 00:02:23.914 --> 00:02:25.795 but the pressure for women 00:02:25.795 --> 00:02:29.432 is to hide, minimize, and deny, 00:02:29.432 --> 00:02:31.452 which isn't surprising when you consider 00:02:31.452 --> 00:02:33.634 that there are still nine countries 00:02:33.634 --> 00:02:37.814 where women can be killed for straying. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:37.814 --> 00:02:42.783 Now, monogamy used to be one person for life. 00:02:42.783 --> 00:02:46.126 Today, monogamy is one person at a time. 00:02:46.126 --> 00:02:49.839 (Laughter) (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:02:51.606 --> 00:02:54.276 I mean, many of you probably have said, 00:02:54.276 --> 00:02:57.411 "I am monogamous in all my relationships." 00:02:57.411 --> 00:03:00.708 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:03:00.708 --> 00:03:02.379 We used to marry 00:03:02.379 --> 00:03:04.539 and have sex for the first time, 00:03:04.539 --> 00:03:06.234 but now we marry 00:03:06.234 --> 00:03:09.183 and we stop having sex with others. 00:03:09.183 --> 00:03:11.272 The fact is that monogamy 00:03:11.272 --> 00:03:14.244 had nothing to do with love. 00:03:14.244 --> 00:03:16.752 Men relied on women's fidelity 00:03:16.752 --> 00:03:19.654 in order to know whose children these are 00:03:19.654 --> 00:03:22.755 and who gets the cows when I die. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:24.243 --> 00:03:26.588 Now, everyone wants to know 00:03:26.588 --> 00:03:28.585 what percentage of people cheat. 00:03:28.585 --> 00:03:32.137 I've been asked that question since I arrived at this conference. 00:03:32.137 --> 00:03:34.273 (Laughter) 00:03:34.273 --> 00:03:36.456 It applies to you. 00:03:36.456 --> 00:03:38.801 But the definition of infidelity 00:03:38.801 --> 00:03:40.937 keeps on expanding: 00:03:40.937 --> 00:03:43.445 sexting, watching porn, 00:03:43.445 --> 00:03:46.278 staying secretly active on dating apps. 00:03:46.278 --> 00:03:50.968 So because there is no universally agreed upon definition 00:03:50.968 --> 00:03:53.940 of what even constitutes an infidelity, 00:03:53.940 --> 00:03:56.285 estimates vary widely, 00:03:56.285 --> 00:04:01.115 from 26 percent to 75 percent. 00:04:01.115 --> 00:04:04.203 But on top of it, we are walking contradictions, 00:04:04.203 --> 00:04:07.802 so 95 percent of us will say that it is terribly wrong 00:04:07.802 --> 00:04:10.890 for our partner to lie about having an affair, 00:04:10.890 --> 00:04:13.328 but just about the same amount of us will say 00:04:13.328 --> 00:04:17.716 that that's exactly what we would do if we were having one. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:19.746 --> 00:04:23.753 Now, I like this definition of an affair. 00:04:23.753 --> 00:04:26.400 It brings together the three key elements: 00:04:26.400 --> 00:04:29.558 a secretive relationship, 00:04:29.558 --> 00:04:33.041 which is the core structure of an affair; 00:04:33.041 --> 00:04:37.568 an emotional connection to one degree or another; 00:04:37.568 --> 00:04:40.262 and a sexual alchemy. 00:04:40.262 --> 00:04:43.327 And alchemy is the key word here, 00:04:43.327 --> 00:04:46.415 because the erotic frisson is such 00:04:46.415 --> 00:04:50.223 that the kiss that you only imagine giving 00:04:50.223 --> 00:04:53.288 can be as powerful and as enchanting 00:04:53.288 --> 00:04:57.514 as hours of actual lovemaking. 00:04:57.514 --> 00:04:59.441 As Marcel Proust said, 00:04:59.441 --> 00:05:02.691 it's our imagination that is responsible for love, 00:05:02.691 --> 00:05:05.902 not the other person. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:05.902 --> 00:05:09.773 So it's never been easier to cheat, 00:05:09.773 --> 00:05:11.909 and it's never been more difficult 00:05:11.909 --> 00:05:13.929 to keep a secret. 00:05:13.929 --> 00:05:19.664 And never has infidelity exacted such a psychological toll. 00:05:19.664 --> 00:05:22.915 When marriage was an economic enterprise, 00:05:22.915 --> 00:05:27.002 infidelity threatened our economic security, 00:05:27.002 --> 00:05:29.927 but now that marriage is a romantic arrangement, 00:05:29.927 --> 00:05:33.758 infidelity threatens our emotional security. 00:05:33.758 --> 00:05:37.891 Ironically, we used to turn to adultery. 00:05:37.891 --> 00:05:41.305 That was the space where we sought pure love. 00:05:41.305 --> 00:05:43.580 But now that we seek love in marriage, 00:05:43.580 --> 00:05:46.320 adultery destroys it. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:46.320 --> 00:05:51.676 Now, there are three ways that I think infidelity hurts differently today. 00:05:53.169 --> 00:05:56.397 We have a romantic ideal 00:05:56.397 --> 00:05:58.928 in which we turn to one person 00:05:58.928 --> 00:06:02.852 to fulfill an endless list of needs: 00:06:02.852 --> 00:06:06.404 to be my greatest lover, my best friend, 00:06:06.404 --> 00:06:09.516 the best parent, my trusted confidante, 00:06:09.516 --> 00:06:13.509 my emotional companion, my intellectual equal. 00:06:13.509 --> 00:06:18.037 And I am it: I am chosen, I am unique, 00:06:18.037 --> 00:06:21.357 I am indispensable, I am irreplaceable, 00:06:21.357 --> 00:06:23.331 I am the one. 00:06:23.331 --> 00:06:27.278 And infidelity tells me I'm not. 00:06:27.278 --> 00:06:29.902 It is the ultimate betrayal. 00:06:29.902 --> 00:06:34.546 Infidelity shatters the grand ambition of love. 00:06:34.546 --> 00:06:36.519 But if, throughout history, 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.491 infidelity has always been painful, 00:06:39.491 --> 00:06:42.092 today it is often traumatic, 00:06:42.092 --> 00:06:44.994 because it threatens our sense of self. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:44.994 --> 00:06:47.897 So my patient Fernando, he's plagued. 00:06:47.897 --> 00:06:50.613 He goes on. "I thought I knew my life. 00:06:50.613 --> 00:06:54.746 I thought I knew who you were, who we were as a couple, who I was. 00:06:54.746 --> 00:06:57.649 Now, I question everything." 00:06:57.649 --> 00:07:01.062 Infidelity, a violation of trust, 00:07:01.062 --> 00:07:02.919 a crisis of identity. 00:07:02.919 --> 00:07:05.218 "Can I ever trust you again?" he asks. 00:07:05.218 --> 00:07:08.747 "Can I ever trust anyone again?" NOTE Paragraph 00:07:08.747 --> 00:07:11.975 And this is also what my patient Heather is telling me 00:07:11.975 --> 00:07:14.715 when she's talking to me about her story with Nick. 00:07:14.715 --> 00:07:16.038 Married, two kids. 00:07:16.038 --> 00:07:18.174 Nick just left on a business trip, 00:07:18.174 --> 00:07:22.127 and Heather is playing on his iPad with the boys 00:07:22.127 --> 00:07:25.169 when she sees a message appear on the screen: 00:07:25.169 --> 00:07:27.467 "Can't wait to see you." 00:07:27.467 --> 00:07:29.255 Strange, she thinks, 00:07:29.255 --> 00:07:31.113 we just saw each other. 00:07:31.113 --> 00:07:32.924 And then another message: 00:07:32.924 --> 00:07:35.965 "Can't wait to hold you in my arms." 00:07:35.965 --> 00:07:38.218 And Heather realizes 00:07:38.218 --> 00:07:40.400 these are not for her. 00:07:40.400 --> 00:07:43.558 She also tells me that her father had affairs, 00:07:43.558 --> 00:07:47.784 but her mother, she found one little receipt in the pocket, 00:07:47.784 --> 00:07:50.408 and a little bit of lipstick on the collar. 00:07:50.408 --> 00:07:54.703 Heather, she goes digging, 00:07:54.703 --> 00:07:57.582 and she finds hundreds of messages 00:07:57.582 --> 00:08:01.413 and photos exchanged and desires expressed. 00:08:01.413 --> 00:08:04.223 The vivid details of Nick's two year affair 00:08:04.223 --> 00:08:07.892 unfold in front of her in real time, 00:08:07.892 --> 00:08:09.749 and it made me think: 00:08:09.749 --> 00:08:14.002 affairs in the digital age are death by a thousand cuts. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:15.629 --> 00:08:18.833 But then we have another paradox that we're dealing with these days. 00:08:18.833 --> 00:08:21.085 Because of this romantic ideal, 00:08:21.085 --> 00:08:24.545 we are relying on our partner's fidelity 00:08:24.545 --> 00:08:26.913 with a unique fervor, 00:08:26.913 --> 00:08:30.466 but we also have never been more inclined to stray, 00:08:30.466 --> 00:08:33.206 and not because we have new desires today, 00:08:33.206 --> 00:08:35.737 but because we live in an era where we feel 00:08:35.737 --> 00:08:38.616 that we are entitled to pursue our desires, 00:08:38.616 --> 00:08:42.958 because this is the culture where I deserve to be happy. 00:08:42.958 --> 00:08:47.068 And if we used to divorce because we were unhappy, 00:08:47.068 --> 00:08:51.270 today we divorce because we could be happier. 00:08:51.270 --> 00:08:54.823 And if divorce carried all the shame, 00:08:54.823 --> 00:08:58.909 today, choosing to stay when you can leave 00:08:58.909 --> 00:09:00.860 is the new shame. 00:09:00.860 --> 00:09:03.181 So Heather, she can't talk to her friends 00:09:03.181 --> 00:09:06.293 because she's afraid that they will judge her for still loving Nick, 00:09:06.293 --> 00:09:08.197 and everywhere she turns, 00:09:08.197 --> 00:09:10.078 she gets the same advice: 00:09:10.078 --> 00:09:13.676 leave him, throw the dog on the curb. 00:09:13.676 --> 00:09:19.040 And if the situation was reversed, Nick would be in the same situation. 00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:22.082 Staying is the new shame. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:23.082 --> 00:09:26.029 So if we can divorce, 00:09:26.029 --> 00:09:29.489 why do we still have affairs? 00:09:29.489 --> 00:09:32.437 Now, the typical assumption 00:09:32.437 --> 00:09:34.620 is that if someone cheats, 00:09:34.620 --> 00:09:39.078 either there's something wrong in your relationship or wrong with you. 00:09:39.078 --> 00:09:43.466 But millions of people can't all be pathological. 00:09:43.466 --> 00:09:48.226 The logic goes like this: if you have everything you need at home, 00:09:48.226 --> 00:09:51.616 then there is no need to go looking elsewhere, 00:09:51.616 --> 00:09:55.169 assuming that there is such a thing as a perfect marriage 00:09:55.169 --> 00:09:59.139 that will inoculate us against wanderlust. 00:09:59.139 --> 00:10:03.365 But what if passion has a finite shelf life? 00:10:03.365 --> 00:10:07.312 What if there are things that even a good relationship 00:10:07.312 --> 00:10:10.261 can never provide? 00:10:10.261 --> 00:10:13.582 If even happy people cheat, 00:10:13.582 --> 00:10:15.973 what is it about? NOTE Paragraph 00:10:15.973 --> 00:10:19.665 The vast majority of people that I actually work with 00:10:19.665 --> 00:10:22.428 are not at all chronic philanderers. 00:10:22.428 --> 00:10:24.161 They are often people 00:10:24.161 --> 00:10:26.552 who are deeply monogamous in their beliefs, 00:10:26.552 --> 00:10:28.897 and at least for their partners. 00:10:28.897 --> 00:10:31.242 But they find themselves in a conflict 00:10:31.242 --> 00:10:35.445 between their values and their behavior. 00:10:35.445 --> 00:10:37.442 They often are people who have actually 00:10:37.442 --> 00:10:39.903 been faithful for decades, 00:10:39.903 --> 00:10:42.643 but one day they cross a line 00:10:42.643 --> 00:10:45.058 that they never thought they would cross, 00:10:45.058 --> 00:10:48.192 and at the risk of losing everything, 00:10:48.192 --> 00:10:51.930 but for a glimmer of what? 00:10:51.930 --> 00:10:54.461 Affairs are an act of betrayal 00:10:54.461 --> 00:10:58.594 and they are also an expression of longing and loss. 00:10:58.594 --> 00:11:00.684 At the heart of an affair, 00:11:00.684 --> 00:11:02.611 you will often find 00:11:02.611 --> 00:11:04.771 a longing and a yearning 00:11:04.771 --> 00:11:06.814 for an emotional connection, 00:11:06.814 --> 00:11:10.622 for novelty, for freedom, for autonomy, 00:11:10.622 --> 00:11:12.665 for sexual intensity, 00:11:12.665 --> 00:11:16.287 a wish to recapture lost parts of ourselves 00:11:16.287 --> 00:11:22.951 or an attempt to bring back vitality in the face of loss and tragedy. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:22.951 --> 00:11:25.900 Now I'm think about another patient of mine, Priya, 00:11:25.900 --> 00:11:28.593 who is blissfully married, 00:11:28.593 --> 00:11:30.404 loves her husband, 00:11:30.404 --> 00:11:32.842 and would never want to hurt the man, 00:11:32.842 --> 00:11:34.978 but she also tells me 00:11:34.978 --> 00:11:38.020 that she's always done what was expected of her: 00:11:38.020 --> 00:11:41.433 good girl, good wife, good mother, 00:11:41.433 --> 00:11:44.429 taking care of her immigrant parents. 00:11:44.429 --> 00:11:47.308 Priya, she fell for the arborist 00:11:47.308 --> 00:11:51.139 who removed the tree from her yard after Hurricane Sandy, 00:11:51.139 --> 00:11:54.018 and with his truck and his tattoos, 00:11:54.018 --> 00:11:56.828 he's quite the opposite of her. 00:11:56.828 --> 00:12:03.631 But at 47, Priya's affair is about the adolescence that she never had, 00:12:03.631 --> 00:12:06.278 and her story highlights for me 00:12:06.278 --> 00:12:09.064 that when we seek the gaze of another, 00:12:09.064 --> 00:12:11.572 it isn't always our partner 00:12:11.572 --> 00:12:13.870 that we are turning away from, 00:12:13.870 --> 00:12:17.655 but the person that we have ourselves become. 00:12:17.655 --> 00:12:21.300 And it isn't so much that we're looking for another person 00:12:21.300 --> 00:12:23.274 as much as we are looking 00:12:23.274 --> 00:12:25.446 for another self. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:26.811 --> 00:12:29.418 Now, all over the world, 00:12:29.418 --> 00:12:33.180 there is one word that people who have affairs always tell me. 00:12:33.180 --> 00:12:35.919 They feel alive. 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:38.543 And they often will tell me stories 00:12:38.543 --> 00:12:40.424 of recent losses, 00:12:40.424 --> 00:12:42.235 of a parent who died, 00:12:42.235 --> 00:12:44.441 and a friend that went too soon, 00:12:44.441 --> 00:12:46.856 and bad news at the doctor. 00:12:46.856 --> 00:12:52.312 Death and mortality often live in the shadow of an affair, 00:12:52.312 --> 00:12:54.680 because they raise these questions. 00:12:54.680 --> 00:12:57.908 Is this it? Is there more? 00:12:57.908 --> 00:13:01.530 Am I going on for another 25 years like this? 00:13:01.530 --> 00:13:06.429 Will I ever feel that thing again? 00:13:06.429 --> 00:13:08.635 And it has led me to think 00:13:08.635 --> 00:13:10.794 that perhaps these questions 00:13:10.794 --> 00:13:12.582 are the ones that propel people 00:13:12.582 --> 00:13:14.277 to cross the line, 00:13:14.277 --> 00:13:17.946 and that some affairs are an attempt to beat back deadness 00:13:17.946 --> 00:13:20.466 and an antidote to death. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:21.977 --> 00:13:24.624 And contrary to what you may think, 00:13:24.624 --> 00:13:27.410 affairs are way less about sex 00:13:27.410 --> 00:13:29.918 and a lot more about desire: 00:13:29.918 --> 00:13:33.354 desire for attention, desire to feel special, 00:13:33.354 --> 00:13:36.071 desire to feel important. 00:13:36.071 --> 00:13:39.243 And the very structure of an affair, 00:13:39.243 --> 00:13:41.426 the fact that you can never have your lover, 00:13:41.426 --> 00:13:43.074 keeps you wanting. 00:13:43.074 --> 00:13:45.814 That in itself is a desire machine, 00:13:45.814 --> 00:13:48.600 because the incompleteness, the ambiguity, 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:53.755 keeps you wanting that which you cannot have. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:53.755 --> 00:13:55.589 Now some of you probably think 00:13:55.589 --> 00:13:57.377 that affairs don't happen 00:13:57.377 --> 00:14:00.674 in open relationships, but they do. 00:14:00.674 --> 00:14:03.019 First of all, the conversation about monogamy 00:14:03.019 --> 00:14:06.293 is not the same as the conversation about infidelity. 00:14:06.293 --> 00:14:09.799 But the fact is that it seems that even when we have 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:12.725 the freedom to have other sexual partners, 00:14:12.725 --> 00:14:16.672 we still seem to be lured by the power of the forbidden, 00:14:16.672 --> 00:14:20.155 that if we do that which we are not supposed to do, 00:14:20.155 --> 00:14:24.381 then we feel like we are really doing what we what. 00:14:24.381 --> 00:14:28.839 And I've also told quite a few of my patients 00:14:28.839 --> 00:14:30.580 that if they could bring 00:14:30.580 --> 00:14:33.692 into their relationships 00:14:33.692 --> 00:14:37.291 one tenth of the boldness, the imagination, and the verve 00:14:37.291 --> 00:14:39.241 that they put into their affairs, 00:14:39.241 --> 00:14:42.118 they probably would never need to see me. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:44.396 --> 00:14:48.180 So how do we heal from an affair? 00:14:48.180 --> 00:14:50.479 Desire runs deep. 00:14:50.479 --> 00:14:53.265 Betrayal runs deep. 00:14:53.265 --> 00:14:55.657 But it can be healed. 00:14:55.657 --> 00:14:58.629 And some affairs are death knells 00:14:58.629 --> 00:15:02.321 for relationships that were already dying on the vine, 00:15:02.321 --> 00:15:06.129 but others will jolt us into new possibilities. 00:15:06.129 --> 00:15:08.172 The fact is, the majority of couples 00:15:08.172 --> 00:15:10.749 who have experienced affairs stay together, 00:15:10.749 --> 00:15:13.327 but some of them will merely survive, 00:15:13.327 --> 00:15:18.644 and others will actually be able to turn a crisis into an opportunity. 00:15:18.644 --> 00:15:22.614 They'll be able to turn this into a generative experience. 00:15:22.614 --> 00:15:26.120 And I'm actually thinking even more so for the deceived partner, 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:27.908 who will often say, 00:15:27.908 --> 00:15:29.696 "You think I didn't want more? 00:15:29.696 --> 00:15:31.879 But I'm not the one who did it." 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:34.154 But now that the affair is exposed, 00:15:34.154 --> 00:15:36.104 they too get to claim more, 00:15:36.104 --> 00:15:39.123 and they no longer have to uphold the status quo 00:15:39.123 --> 00:15:44.277 that may not have been working that well for them either. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:44.277 --> 00:15:47.157 I've noticed that a lot of couples 00:15:47.157 --> 00:15:49.293 in the immediate aftermath of an affair, 00:15:49.293 --> 00:15:51.266 because of this new disorder 00:15:51.266 --> 00:15:53.519 that may actually lead to a new order, 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:57.048 will have depths of conversations with honesty and openness 00:15:57.048 --> 00:15:59.672 that they haven't had in decades, 00:15:59.672 --> 00:16:02.644 and partners who were sexually indifferent 00:16:02.644 --> 00:16:05.221 find themselves suddenly so lustfully voracious, 00:16:05.221 --> 00:16:08.774 they don't know where it's coming from. 00:16:08.774 --> 00:16:11.026 Something about the fear of loss 00:16:11.026 --> 00:16:12.860 will rekindle desire 00:16:12.860 --> 00:16:17.481 and make way for an entirely new kind of truth. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:17.481 --> 00:16:21.126 So when an affair is exposed, 00:16:21.126 --> 00:16:26.211 what are some of the specific things that couples can do? 00:16:26.211 --> 00:16:28.036 We know from trauma 00:16:28.036 --> 00:16:30.103 that healing begins 00:16:30.103 --> 00:16:35.281 when the perpetrator acknowledges their wrongdoing. 00:16:35.281 --> 00:16:39.065 So for the partner who had the affair, 00:16:39.065 --> 00:16:40.993 for Nick, 00:16:40.993 --> 00:16:42.780 one thing is to end the affair, 00:16:42.780 --> 00:16:47.053 but the other is the essential, important act of expressing 00:16:47.053 --> 00:16:50.791 guilt and remorse for hurting his wife. 00:16:50.791 --> 00:16:52.649 But the truth is 00:16:52.649 --> 00:16:55.296 that I have noticed that quite a lot of people who have affairs 00:16:55.296 --> 00:16:58.198 may feel terribly guilty for hurting their partner, 00:16:58.198 --> 00:17:02.215 but they don't feel guilty for the experience of the affair itself. 00:17:02.215 --> 00:17:04.746 And that distinction is important. 00:17:04.746 --> 00:17:09.134 And Nick, he needs to hold vigil for the relationship. 00:17:09.134 --> 00:17:12.361 He needs to become for a while the protector of the boundaries. 00:17:12.361 --> 00:17:14.730 It's his responsibility to bring it up, 00:17:14.730 --> 00:17:16.866 because if he thinks about it, 00:17:16.866 --> 00:17:19.977 he can relieve Heather from the obsession, 00:17:19.977 --> 00:17:23.089 and from having to make sure that the affair isn't forgotten, 00:17:23.089 --> 00:17:26.825 and that in itself begins to restore trust. NOTE Paragraph 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:29.520 But Heather, 00:17:29.520 --> 00:17:31.424 or deceived partners, 00:17:31.424 --> 00:17:33.305 it is essential to do things 00:17:33.305 --> 00:17:36.625 that bring back a sense of self-worth, 00:17:36.625 --> 00:17:40.039 to surround oneself with love and with friends and activities 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:43.916 that give back joy and meaning and identity. 00:17:43.916 --> 00:17:45.820 But even more important 00:17:45.820 --> 00:17:50.812 is to curb the curiosity to mine for the sordid details 00:17:50.812 --> 00:17:52.995 -- Where were you? Where did you do it? 00:17:52.995 --> 00:17:55.758 How often? Is she better than me in bed? -- 00:17:55.758 --> 00:17:58.219 questions that only inflict more pain 00:17:58.219 --> 00:18:00.541 and keep you awake at night, 00:18:00.541 --> 00:18:05.417 and instead switch to what I call the investigative questions, 00:18:05.417 --> 00:18:08.784 the ones that mine the meaning and the motives. 00:18:08.784 --> 00:18:10.850 What did this affair mean for you? 00:18:10.850 --> 00:18:13.776 What were you able to express or experience there 00:18:13.776 --> 00:18:16.260 that you could no longer do with me? 00:18:16.260 --> 00:18:19.186 What was it like for you when you came home? 00:18:19.186 --> 00:18:21.995 What is it about us that you value? 00:18:21.995 --> 00:18:25.592 Are you pleased this is over? NOTE Paragraph 00:18:26.314 --> 00:18:30.610 Every affair will redefine a relationship, 00:18:30.610 --> 00:18:33.651 and every couple will determine 00:18:33.651 --> 00:18:36.948 what the legacy of the affair will be. 00:18:36.948 --> 00:18:39.990 But affairs are here to stay, 00:18:39.990 --> 00:18:42.219 and they're not going away, 00:18:42.219 --> 00:18:44.587 and the dilemmas of love and desire, 00:18:44.587 --> 00:18:47.420 they don't yield just simple answers 00:18:47.420 --> 00:18:50.764 of black and white and good and bad 00:18:50.764 --> 00:18:54.409 and victim and perpetrator. 00:18:54.409 --> 00:18:58.496 Betrayal in a relationship comes in many forms. 00:18:58.496 --> 00:19:00.701 There are many ways that we betray our partner: 00:19:00.701 --> 00:19:02.861 with contempt, with neglect, 00:19:02.861 --> 00:19:05.995 with indifference, with violence. 00:19:05.995 --> 00:19:09.664 Sexual betrayal is only one way to hurt a partner. 00:19:09.664 --> 00:19:12.055 In other words, the victim of an affair 00:19:12.055 --> 00:19:15.737 is not always the victim of the marriage. NOTE Paragraph 00:19:17.898 --> 00:19:19.709 Now, you've listened to me, 00:19:19.709 --> 00:19:21.984 and I know what you're thinking: 00:19:21.984 --> 00:19:24.260 she has a French accent, 00:19:24.260 --> 00:19:26.883 she must be pro-affair. 00:19:26.883 --> 00:19:29.389 (Laughter) 00:19:31.783 --> 00:19:33.640 So you're wrong. 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:35.939 I am not French. 00:19:35.939 --> 00:19:40.581 (Laughter) (Applause) 00:19:41.697 --> 00:19:44.298 And I'm not pro-affair. 00:19:44.298 --> 00:19:46.434 But because I think 00:19:46.434 --> 00:19:49.104 that good can come out of an affair, 00:19:49.104 --> 00:19:52.448 I have often been asked this very strange question: 00:19:52.448 --> 00:19:55.396 would I ever recommend it? 00:19:55.396 --> 00:19:58.485 Now, I would no more recommend you to have an affair 00:19:58.485 --> 00:20:01.108 than I would recommend you to have cancer, 00:20:01.108 --> 00:20:03.709 and yet we know that people who have been ill 00:20:03.709 --> 00:20:08.608 often talk about their illness has yielded them a new perspective. 00:20:08.608 --> 00:20:11.882 The main question that I've been asked since I arrived at this conference 00:20:11.882 --> 00:20:16.363 when I said I would talk about infidelity is, for or against? 00:20:16.363 --> 00:20:18.151 I said, yes. 00:20:18.151 --> 00:20:21.355 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:20:21.355 --> 00:20:25.395 I look at affairs from a dual perspective: 00:20:25.395 --> 00:20:28.646 hurt and betrayal on one side, 00:20:28.646 --> 00:20:32.616 growth and self-discovery on the other, 00:20:32.616 --> 00:20:36.587 what it did to you and what it meant for me. 00:20:36.587 --> 00:20:38.978 And so when a couple comes to me 00:20:38.978 --> 00:20:41.277 in the aftermath of an affair 00:20:41.277 --> 00:20:43.228 that has been revealed, 00:20:43.228 --> 00:20:45.619 I will often tell them this: 00:20:45.619 --> 00:20:47.662 today in the West, 00:20:47.662 --> 00:20:52.631 most of us are going to have two or three relationships 00:20:52.631 --> 00:20:54.558 or marriages, 00:20:54.558 --> 00:20:58.390 and some of us are going to do it with the same person. 00:20:58.390 --> 00:21:01.501 You first marriage is over. 00:21:01.501 --> 00:21:05.332 Would you like to create a second one together? NOTE Paragraph 00:21:05.332 --> 00:21:07.375 Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:21:07.375 --> 00:21:14.316 (Applause)