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Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.97,0:00:12.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: What does Big Brother \Nsee, while he is watching?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.53,0:00:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon Menner is talking to \Nyou about this and uncovering
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.88,0:00:23.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,images from the secret Stasi archives. He\Nwas born 1978 in Southern Germany and
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.49,0:00:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now he lives and works in Berlin.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.40,0:00:30.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He does a lot of stuff \Nwith photography and
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.69,0:00:38.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,history and he has been researching for\Nthree years in Stasi files and images
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.54,0:00:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he is going to show us why this is\Nstill relevant today or even maybe more
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.94,0:00:47.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relevant than ever.\NGive him a warm welcome.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.65,0:00:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Audience applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.56,0:01:02.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was told to use this rather than the \Nlavalier mics so I hope it works.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.61,0:01:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First a disclaimer - I'm an \Nartist. I'm not a historian
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.04,0:01:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so my approach to the \Nmaterial I'm going to show is
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.88,0:01:15.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somewhat different from what you \Nmight expect from a regular historian
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.55,0:01:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we can discuss this as we go on.\NVery briefly before I am going to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.75,0:01:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,show you images I found at the archive\Nof the Stasi and some very few
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.89,0:01:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,archives I found at the BND.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.57,0:01:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to show you three bodies of work \Nthat brought me to my interest in the Stasi.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.17,0:01:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am a trained artist, I'm a \Nphotographer and normally I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.16,0:01:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing things like this and \NI'm very interested in the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.34,0:01:59.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relationship of what perception does \Nwithin the context of modern conflict.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.53,0:02:08.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It turns out more importantly perception\Nis a battlefield and fear is a weapon.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.37,0:02:14.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not just a set of landscape\Nimages it is actually set of photographs
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.19,0:02:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for which I had support of the German\Narmy. They supported me with snipers.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.99,0:02:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were hiding in the landscape aiming\Nat the camera and therefore at the viewer.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.52,0:02:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the sniper would be and in most of the\Npictures from the series there's actually
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.37,0:02:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost no trace to be seen from the\Nsniper but this is the way a sniper
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.64,0:02:38.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looks within the landscape.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.47,0:02:42.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were ordered to aim at me even \Nthough I couldn't see them sometimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.84,0:02:45.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When were posing I \Ntold them well just don't
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.84,0:02:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hide behind a tree so I don't see you.\NThey told me "no no don't worry we are
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.32,0:02:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aiming at you"\N[Audience laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.34,0:02:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course the whole thing is\Nartificial because they would
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.67,0:03:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never choose this kind of setting and\Nthis kind of environment to posed a
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.88,0:03:08.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,threat - there's a sniper here or \Nhere but this is something that
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.49,0:03:12.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really plays an important \Nrole in today's conflicts.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.35,0:03:16.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You try to occupy your \Nopponents mind and influence
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.43,0:03:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his or her behaviour in that \Nway through creating fear.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.75,0:03:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's another set of images. It's \Nbased on books by the US army
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.39,0:03:32.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on how to construct booby \Ntraps out of ordinary objects.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.10,0:03:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here a TV set or radio if it is switched \Nit on its blows up. A box or pipe.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.12,0:03:42.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As an artist I find this image very \Nintriguing because there is one
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.03,0:03:45.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,famous painting by \NMagritte; 'this is not a pipe'.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.63,0:03:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually this is not a pipe. \NIt's supposed to look like a pipe
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.52,0:03:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But be aware that from the sixties\Nfrom the US army and these handbooks are
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.27,0:04:03.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now out there and used by opposing\Nforces they encounter and the whole
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.07,0:04:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,story behind these manuals is you're \Nsupposed to create fear in your opponent.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.52,0:04:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here is a German chocolate bar. Break it \Noff it blows up in your face or a tea kettle.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.21,0:04:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The more ordinary the objects \Nare the more terrifying it becomes
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.98,0:04:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because once you realize that\Nthere's no way for you to avoid this
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.81,0:04:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,idea of fear, everything is dangerous.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.22,0:04:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other side does this as well. \NThis is from videos I found online.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.08,0:04:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the last video frame\Nbefore the blast. The last frame
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.92,0:04:46.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before car bomb, roadside bomb or\Nsomething like this explodes.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.93,0:04:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same here. It's the same technique.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.59,0:05:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The more research I did on this big topic \Nof fear and perception within conflict
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.06,0:05:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started to think more and more about the\Ntopic of surveillance because the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.81,0:05:09.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting aspect would be to look at\Nimages of surveillance because that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.91,0:05:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would show us these \Nmechanisms from the other side.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.78,0:05:21.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the strange thing is we talked so much about\Nsurveillance and much of what we talked
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.45,0:05:26.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about is image based so big brother is\Nwatching you. That has something to do
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.01,0:05:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with images but we take it for granted\Nthat there's nothing for us to see.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.76,0:05:34.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Big Brother is watching us but \Nit's hidden behind some curtains.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.82,0:05:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I came to realize that actually \Nwith the unique history of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.80,0:05:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Germany we have this huge opportunity\Nin the Stasi archives that are accessible to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.30,0:05:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the public to try to show what Big Brother\Nactually sees and I approached them
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.90,0:06:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I could only find written\Nreferences to images they have and could
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.33,0:06:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never find images, do they still \Nexist and they said sure come over.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.32,0:06:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was the start of a \Nthree-year research project.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.11,0:06:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First I am going to show you images I was
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.35,0:06:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the end not really interested in.\NImages we know exist and from now on
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.56,0:06:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's authentic Stasi material. There \Nsome from the Czech Republic CSR.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.46,0:06:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll point them out and there some from \Nthe BND and I'll point those out as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.66,0:06:42.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is something we expect to see.\NShots taken through button holes and
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.71,0:06:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance in the streets. That's\Nthe US embassy in East Berlin
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.86,0:06:54.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the entrance doors were under \Nconstant surveillance with photo
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.74,0:06:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cameras and video cameras. Be aware\Nin the 80's video equipment was not that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.96,0:07:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sophisticated so at night time the Stasi\Nrecorded eight hours of darkness but
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.23,0:07:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it still ended up at the files. That's\Nthe state of mind we're talking about so
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.73,0:07:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone was photographed. Quite \Noften we find post boxes where each and
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.71,0:07:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone who's posting a letter is\Nphotographed no matter who he or she is.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.22,0:07:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if it's an elderly lady. Remember\Nthese images because I'm going to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.24,0:07:33.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reference them later. I was more\Ninterested in something like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.77,0:07:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The internal view. Roughly two \Nyears ago I was able to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.45,0:07:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publish a book and now I'm going to\Nfollow the structure within the book
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.18,0:07:50.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I was really interested in how\Ndo you become a spy and encounted a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.05,0:07:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,material that was meant for training\Npurposes. These images are from a
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.19,0:08:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,training session on how to disguise\Nyourself as regular citizens.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.63,0:08:08.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which I found strange because \Nnormally that's nothing you should
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.63,0:08:16.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to learn, but still. Then you\Nhave a soldier, these ordinary citizens.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.47,0:08:24.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of them look like they live now in \NBerlin amongst the hipsters like this one.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.65,0:08:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's entitled 'The Western tourist'.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.82,0:08:32.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now the tourists is like the photographer \Nso the Stasi photograph something
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.98,0:08:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that tries to look like a photographer.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.19,0:08:43.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Women worked for the Stasi as \Nwell and so the same thing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.42,0:08:49.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So disguising manuals - what do you\Nneed to dress up like this and in what
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.13,0:08:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,circumstances would you use something\Nlike this. He looks like Hitchhiker's Guide
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.01,0:09:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the Galaxy I think. Be aware that's \Nnot meant to be funny that was
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.03,0:09:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not meant to be seen by anyone.\NThat was meant to train agents and we
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.70,0:09:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are going to see later that was actually\Nused. Here we have a hitchhiker at a motorway
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.05,0:09:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around Berlin and that's from the\NCSR archives which I was granted access to
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.24,0:09:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,earlier this year. They did the \Nsame thing. It's not just
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.89,0:09:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something the Stasi did, they did it as\Nwell. Then you had other aspects of
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.18,0:09:44.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disguise like how to wear a wig. \NHow to stick a fake moustache.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.90,0:09:50.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Due to privacy concerns the images \Nhad to be pixelated but I could see
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.22,0:09:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the faces while researching the \Narchives. Much funnier actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.24,0:10:05.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again from the CSR you \Ncould also disguise cars.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.03,0:10:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could draw something that's \Nfrom a from a steel mill in the CSR.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.52,0:10:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, a disguised stroller \Nwith a video camera.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.32,0:10:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's actually a video camera from \NJapan and they imported
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.63,0:10:35.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this type of surveillance equipment \Nquite frequently. And then you
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.89,0:10:44.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,encounter other material like how to transmit \Nsecret signals and how to transmit codes.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.41,0:10:49.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The codes are not known now\Nbut still the photos exist and they have a
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.55,0:10:56.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strange beauty in them. Once you\Ngot your training and then you have to
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.51,0:10:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be taught how maybe to arrest someone.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.92,0:11:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You first knock the door \Nand then you arrest him.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.49,0:11:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Notice the piece of cloth on the floor because \Nhe didn't want to ruin his white shirt.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.50,0:11:18.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe he wants to fight so you \Nhave to fight. [Audience laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.72,0:11:26.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the Stasi always wins. Again\Nthey CSR took things very seriously.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.65,0:11:34.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Things there seem to be escalating much\Nquicker so you have to shoot people.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.55,0:11:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again it quickly escalates and he has\Nto be shot. When you know that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.87,0:11:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to be taught how to to follow\Npeople around. Sometimes you
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.78,0:11:53.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find very elaborate stories where you\Nfollow people around. Just a very
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.77,0:11:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,short exception. So she's at the bakery\Nand then she goes to a doctor's office
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.36,0:12:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is already something Stasi maybe \Nshouldn't know and then she does a phone call.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.54,0:12:10.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here you see she's smiling at the\Ncamera of course the whole thing is
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.34,0:12:14.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,staged for colleagues but this is\Nsometimes very lengthy.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.90,0:12:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see this guy shopping and then shopping \Nand walking Alexanderplatz, meeting
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.58,0:12:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another guy. It's like a photo love story. \NThen they take the car and he gets out the car in
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.60,0:12:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the middle of the woods and he walks. \NAnother car comes and then they meet and
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.48,0:12:38.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why did you take such pictures. \NWhat's the point of that but still
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.07,0:12:43.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that ends up at the archive and \Nis part of the training operation.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.35,0:12:51.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now the training is done and this \Nthen is a real surveillance photograph.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.81,0:12:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The black arrow, that's supposedly \Nthe person they were shadowing.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.64,0:13:00.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you see we are \Nnot in the training manual
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.42,0:13:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we are already one step ahead \Nand that's then the real material.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.28,0:13:12.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He or she is followed \Naround the country and again
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.03,0:13:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Czech Republic you have ordinary\Ncitizens being shadowed entering a house.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.13,0:13:28.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With the shadowing comes also the breach\Nof privacy and here we have the room of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.45,0:13:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a teenager which looks very innocent to\Nus but I'm very positive that, I guess
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.26,0:13:42.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a guy, he never entered university in\NEast Germany. Due to the fact that they
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.45,0:13:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could prove that he was a fan of Wily\NCoyote and the United States or so they
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.76,0:13:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thought they could prove. They took\Nsuch images as evidence for your
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.25,0:13:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinking which is a problem of a\Nsurveillance operation I would argue.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.74,0:14:03.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here we have what might \Nbe the biggest Madonna fan
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.27,0:14:08.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in all of communist Eastern Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.13,0:14:17.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Same thing. Probably would never \Nbe able to study law or medicine.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.78,0:14:26.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You frequently have images\Nsuch as this and that was classified as
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.83,0:14:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Western pornography and the funny thing\Nabout this classification is very
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.27,0:14:36.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,often you find files that \Nread Western pornography
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.57,0:14:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the photographs are missing. \N[Audience laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.33,0:14:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone went to this apartment,\Ndocumented everything, archived it maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.20,0:14:50.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the guy was prosecuted and when there\Nwas no one was looking they took the pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.73,0:14:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which then shows the \Nabsurd nature of the system.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.57,0:15:03.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me this is a very key \Nimage, it's a set of images
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.29,0:15:05.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's actually one of the images
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.98,0:15:12.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that brought me to contacting the Stasi\Narchives. I read about those images.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.57,0:15:17.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a Polaroid as you can see by the\Nwhite background and as a matter of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.85,0:15:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fact Stasi frequency purchased Polaroid\Nfilms or confiscated Polaroid film sent
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.80,0:15:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to East Germany and the reason for that\Nwas when they broke into people's homes
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.05,0:15:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you should never find out, the\Neasiest thing was you break-in, you look
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.92,0:15:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around, what looks interesting you take a\NPolaroid and with that you are able to put
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.06,0:15:42.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything back in its original position.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.61,0:15:46.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an absolute brutal \Nimage because that shows
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.85,0:15:52.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the deepest possible breach \Nof privacy imaginable.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.09,0:15:56.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And most people in fact never found out \Nthat their apartment was searched and that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.95,0:16:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was absolutely illegal even in East \NGermany and it was very revealing last year
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.08,0:16:07.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a German TV station thought it's a good\Nidea to hook me up with a former Stasi
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.87,0:16:16.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,general and I told him about the Polaroid's \Nand he said "Yeah but please keep in mind
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.81,0:16:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never broke into people's apartments."\NI said did you order it?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.76,0:16:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yes I ordered it but I never broke into\Npeople's houses" I thought what stupid excuse is that?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.96,0:16:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who then is responsible because normally\Nthe excuse is always I was ordered to do it
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.12,0:16:39.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his excuse was I just ordered them, I\Ndon't really... why would they do it. I
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.32,0:16:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just ordered it. It was not my intention.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.01,0:16:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was revealing to me the state \Nof mind within such a system.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.74,0:16:54.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you have folders and \Nfolders of those Polaroids
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.55,0:16:59.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when they found something\Nincriminating they might have returned a
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.05,0:17:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,few days later with the police and\Nsearch warrant because they needed a
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.72,0:17:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,search warrant even in East Germany. \NNow we realize that even though it looks
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.59,0:17:15.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,funny the way they disguise themselves\Nit's meant seriously and it's a terrible
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.53,0:17:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brutal system. Which you also see in these\Nimages from the CSR where people
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.00,0:17:27.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are forced to stage their own attempt of\Nfleeing the country. They were made to stage
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.45,0:17:34.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the thing they were arrested for, even a\Nyoung child was made to re-enact their
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.25,0:17:40.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,failed attempt to flee the country. \NAnd that is brutal.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.22,0:17:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes you find images that are completely \Nout of any category. Like a guinea pig.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.45,0:17:55.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I told you earlier to remember\Nthe postbox with the old lady.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.75,0:18:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's an image from one of those\Nfiles so you have a surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.40,0:18:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,operation of a post boxes, you see its taken \Nfrom a high angle maybe out of a private apartment and
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.09,0:18:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you have shot after shot and then two\Npictures of these guinea pig and then
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.00,0:18:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the surveillance operation continues. \NWhat I read out of that is he was in a
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.36,0:18:31.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,private apartment and was bored. He\Nlies flat on the ground, takes two shots and
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.54,0:18:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then continues the surveillance operation\Nknowing that the material is going to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.29,0:18:45.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,end up at the archive and gets his archive \Nnumber. That's German bureaucracy I guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.15,0:18:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very revealing. So who are these guys?\NThat's actually a British spy.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.25,0:18:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were some officially registered \NWestern spies within Eastern Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.99,0:19:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Russians had the same thing for West Germany \Nand the Stasi's job was to folow and document what
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.72,0:19:08.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were doing. They couldn't do \Nanything to them, only document.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.89,0:19:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You find many of these images. \NLike a spy taking a picture of a
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.20,0:19:19.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spy in an endless circle of surveillance. \NWhat's very revealing is the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.91,0:19:28.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I tried to gain access to their\Nmaterial - it's still classified.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.33,0:19:35.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm very positive I know what the image\Nshows. It's pretty much the same thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.53,0:19:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tried to understand what these\Npeople are thinking but it turns out
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.89,0:19:46.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though they were fighting each other they \Nseem to share a very common state of mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.94,0:19:53.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That looks like the endpoint \Nof surveillance, no its not.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.35,0:20:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's one step further. It's Stasi agents \Nwatching Stasi agents watching other people.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.28,0:20:03.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a triangle of surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.99,0:20:10.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Common as well. Never be sure\Nabout your colleagues. They could be up to
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.42,0:20:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something so better spy on them as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.75,0:20:21.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I present you the absolute \Nendpoint of surveillance which is
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.63,0:20:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the surveillance selfie. \N[Audience laughs and applauds]
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.92,0:20:36.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I give you another one.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.23,0:20:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They knew it was going to end up at the archives.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.91,0:20:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they are spying on themselves, spying on other \Nwhile spying on themselves. It's almost medative.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.16,0:20:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who are these people? Now we are at the \Ninternal view. The Stasi looks at itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.67,0:21:03.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's a group photo. Remember this \Nguy, we encounter him later.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.14,0:21:06.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That happens to be the \Nphone surveillance unit.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.93,0:21:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Highest-ranking officials here, that's\Nthe boss of the whole bunch and of
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.55,0:21:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course the Stasi, it's Eastern Europe they\Nlike medals and awards ceremony.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.93,0:21:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Flowers, a medal a piece of paper.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.96,0:21:32.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This guy again and he gets really shaby\Nflowers and a piece of paper.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.87,0:21:39.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's odd - see the wax seal \Nand it is burned at the side.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.67,0:21:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because he was knighted. A knight \Nof the phone surveillance unit.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.62,0:22:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To the non Germans that's a \Nsymbol of a code of law in Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.04,0:22:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He knew they were breaking the law
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.42,0:22:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're mocking it with this\Nceremony so now you are the knight of
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.05,0:22:19.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the phones surveillance unit. \NCongratulations hahaha what a good joke.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.97,0:22:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another set of images which is very revealing is this.\NStrange finding in the Stasi archive.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.49,0:22:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A strange combination. See the bishop\Nand the soccer player and back there
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.94,0:22:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the blue shirt. That's a Party Youth\Nmember and then see the ballerina.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.74,0:22:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Strange. The guy in a suit; it's his\Nbirthday and he's the boss of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.07,0:22:57.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are all highest-ranking Stasi\Nofficials and they surprise him with a
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.39,0:23:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,birthday party and the surprise is to dress up\Nas those people you put under surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.38,0:23:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Party Youth, soccer player, the\Nballerina. Beautiful, very beautiful
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.05,0:23:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soccer fan. Of course you have to put\Nthem under surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.24,0:23:28.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A doctor. Of course who cares \Nabout a right to be quiet of doctors.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.06,0:23:32.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A judge, you have to put a \Njudge under surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.58,0:23:40.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then there is this dress up. Hardly \Nto be understood outside Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.09,0:23:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's dressed up as a peace activist
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.43,0:23:52.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he wears this 'sword to ploughshares' \Nsticker at his head and some other peace
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.49,0:23:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stickers there and he \Nis very proud of himself.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.76,0:24:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why, because it was \Nsuch a successful costume.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.72,0:24:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think where did he get the costume\Nfrom. The easiest thing for someone like him is
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.20,0:24:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to take it from someone they put in jail.\NBecause you could at least lose access
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.34,0:24:23.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to university for wearing one of these\Nstickers, or serve some time in jail.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.89,0:24:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could lose access to good housing and\Neverything. Why is he able to mock it?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.52,0:24:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because he's the one who would decide\Nwhether or not you lose access and this
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.48,0:24:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the a terrible thing \Nabout these images.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.57,0:24:41.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're very revealing.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:48.86,0:24:56.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These images are now 25/30 years\Nold. Why do I think these images are
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.10,0:25:01.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still relevant today? It's \Nbecause of something like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.97,0:25:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a short period after the fall of \Nthe Berlin Wall. It fell in November 9th
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.46,0:25:14.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Stasi wasn't \Ndissolved until early January.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.14,0:25:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there was a very short period of time \Nwere the Stasi could try to destroy material.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.40,0:25:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They managed to destroy \Na huge bunch of material. \N
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.86,0:25:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not a very important set \Nexcept foreign espionage.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.20,0:25:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's almost gone but if it would have\Nbeen up to them that would have been the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.93,0:25:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fate of all these images. Destruction. We\Nwould have never been able to look at
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.86,0:25:50.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these images. Even though we don't\Nknow what these images stand for.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.15,0:25:55.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe that's that's a group of gay men and they\Ninfiltrated it and it was compromising
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.41,0:26:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to one of their colleagues that they had\Ninfiltrated it. They did things like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.91,0:26:07.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they tried to destroyed it. Twenty-five\Nyears after the fall of the Berlin Wall
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.64,0:26:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why do you still think this material is\Nvery relevant. I'm going to show you something
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.90,0:26:20.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even more special and more rare \Nthan the materials I showed you just now.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.06,0:26:26.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's this. Over a course of \Nyear I tried to convince
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.35,0:26:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BND to grant me access to their\Nmaterial which would be amazing because
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.02,0:26:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Germany we have these one society\Nwith the two opposing systems so the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.24,0:26:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,view on the cold war would be \Nabsolutely astonishing if you would be
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.17,0:26:50.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,able to look at all the material. \NAfter a year they got a call and told me
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.97,0:26:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we've got something \Nfor you, come over.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.88,0:26:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have a small section in Berlin \Nso I went there will my scanner and
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.92,0:27:08.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they gave me that I would call them 14 \Nmost boring pictures of the BND history.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.52,0:27:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a matchbox.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.64,0:27:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I looked at these images and I was like what \Ndo they show and this guy was very serious
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.72,0:27:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and told me 'Unfortunately I can't tell you \Nbecause the information is still classified'.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.25,0:27:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Audience laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.32,0:27:42.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Back then he told me as far as he knows\Nthese are the only images they ever released.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.78,0:27:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's a huge problem I\Nhave with this of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:55.71,0:28:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can decide which images to show.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.71,0:28:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the guys I was in contact\Nwith there told me of course we have
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.80,0:28:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these disguise pictures and dress up and\Nthings like that but keep in mind
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.84,0:28:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back then he might have been the lowest in\Nthe hierarchy and now he might be
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.08,0:28:20.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,head of the department or the one who\Nbrought in the guy who is now the head
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.82,0:28:25.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the department. Of course \Nnot in their interest for
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.19,0:28:27.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these images to be released.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.76,0:28:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, but its in my interest
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.15,0:28:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our interest as to decide which \Nimages are worth looking at or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.24,0:28:42.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's another problem \Nwith images like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.61,0:28:47.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have almost nothing that is \Naccessible from the Western archives.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.74,0:28:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is rare, this is special. It looks \Nlike shit but it's very special.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.42,0:29:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we have a trove from the Eastern \Narchive and that's always like the miracle
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.18,0:29:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when one of the Eastern \Nformer communist countries
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.80,0:29:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decides whether we should limit access \Nto our former Stalinist archives we say 'No!
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.54,0:29:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't do that. we must be open' but what\Nhappens when we have access to just one
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.93,0:29:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,side and see all the terrible things they \Nare doing and have no access to the other side?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.34,0:29:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not saying that the BND did the same\Nterrible things the Stasi did but the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.78,0:29:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BND was certainly breaking our laws as\Nwell. But it does look more innocent
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.00,0:29:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we only have access to\Na very terrible looking archive
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.78,0:29:47.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if we look to the West Germany's\Nit's like nothing there, must be fine and
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.31,0:29:54.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's a terrible thing. \NThere's a lot wrong with that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.40,0:30:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm almost at the end, \NI was rushing through.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.27,0:30:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can show you two videos from Czech \Narchive audio isn't important because I was too quick
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.37,0:30:21.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry maybe that \Nis not going to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.69,0:30:29.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems things escalated \Nmuch quicker in CSR.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.79,0:30:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Life in the CSR must have \Nbeen very dangerous.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.13,0:30:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has weapons every where.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.65,0:31:27.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the best thing comes now. \N[Audience laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.96,0:31:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who would carry something like that there.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.92,0:31:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Audience applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.31,0:31:56.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a very long film \Nthat's just a short part.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.66,0:32:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are ever attacked \Nby someone with a chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.60,0:32:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's like the six or seventh time he \Nshows that. He shows it again and then
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.76,0:32:20.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's going to be used but look closely\Nhow the technique they just learned is used.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:20.03,0:32:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do this the next time you are \Nattacked by some one with a chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.83,0:32:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now he's going to be attacked by a chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.52,0:32:35.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Watch carefully he implements \Nit quite properly.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.91,0:32:45.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well he didn't really look. \NIt's a long film and things
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.66,0:32:49.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always escalates very quickly.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:52.90,0:32:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two very long shots and you \Nare supposed to spot them.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.53,0:33:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are are unnecessarily long.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.68,0:33:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Audience laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.26,0:33:14.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course they find the black guy smuggling.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.03,0:33:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He explains in English 'Do you have more like that
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.66,0:33:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he says no no ,no no
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.66,0:33:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and still the porn is still in the\Nshot. And then he tells him yes but it's
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.59,0:33:29.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to be very serious \Nif you don't confess now.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.03,0:33:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Black guy says no I don't \Nhave anything to confess.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:33.12,0:33:46.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The guy on the left get suspicious. \NHe doesn't want to sign his confession.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.25,0:34:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He gets suspicious. Very, very suspicious
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.35,0:34:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fortunately the camera man made the move to the left or
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.88,0:34:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not to zoom in on the penis. No no he\Ndoesn't have anything but it turns out
Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.58,0:34:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it turns out he has something because\Nhe's black and suspicious-looking.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.94,0:34:26.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah! He is moving his arm.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.16,0:34:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It turns out his arm is not broken.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.68,0:35:01.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry that was somewhat long but \NI rushed through everything else.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.72,0:35:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For some reason he hides \Nbatteries in his cast.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.38,0:35:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Audience laughs and applauds]
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.21,0:35:29.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He could bring in the watches but you better\Nhide the batteries because wooo. Any questions?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.19,0:35:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.43,0:35:50.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: Thank you\NSimon: I hope you got what you paid for.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.74,0:35:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: Maybe before we start questions and \Nanswers everybody who wants to leave, leave now.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.17,0:36:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: We will take one \Nminute so you can leave
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.21,0:36:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all the others who want \Nto stay have it quiet for the Q&A.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.74,0:36:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: And remember \Nto use the rating system
Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.59,0:36:47.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: I brought postcards because we \Nhave to make fun of them as much as we can.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.47,0:36:54.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: It's all the same motif \Nbut take as many as you want.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.86,0:37:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: There are two microphones for\Nthe questions and answers, no four if you need them.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.25,0:37:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: 1,2 and we have questions from the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.97,0:37:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: OK we will start with you
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.10,0:37:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: Just a \Nshort question please.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:43.10,0:37:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all thanks for the wonderful\Ntalk was very very interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.34,0:37:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you give us the \Ntitle of your book please.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:52.27,0:37:56.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Oh yeah, Google my \Nname. It's available in your
Dialogue: 0,0:37:56.61,0:38:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,local bookstore or if you want Amazon. It\Nstill available but not many copies left.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:06.92,0:38:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just Top Secret and then Simon Menner. My family\Ndoesn't write that many books.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.24,0:38:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: thank you.\NAudience member: Would you be so kind to
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.28,0:38:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,show us back that photo with the Coyote
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.28,0:38:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ugly and American flag because I thought\NI saw Yugoslav air transport logo on the...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:32.89,0:38:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There you see it. He flew with, \Nnow it's called Air Serbia.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.28,0:38:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Yeah that must have been the reason \NAudience member: I just wanted to check that out thanks
Dialogue: 0,0:38:51.00,0:38:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: We have a question from the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.11,0:39:01.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet host: Yes Frankie2 is asking how \Ndoes this compare to todays surveillance?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.09,0:39:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: The problem is, in a way, that's a \Ntreasure trove but it's a very weird one.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.19,0:39:15.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I could freely choose what material\Nto look at I would definitely try
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.04,0:39:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to look at the last two weeks of\NNSA surveillance like we all would.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:18.68,0:39:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but unfortunately that is \Nas close as as we can get
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.80,0:39:29.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this kind of material. Keep in\Nmind, back in its day the Stasi was
Dialogue: 0,0:39:29.91,0:39:34.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least as sophisticated\Nas the BND. In fact there were
Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.39,0:39:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more advanced in the technologies \Nthey used. The Stasi would definitely use
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.91,0:39:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same techniques BND and CIA
Dialogue: 0,0:39:45.30,0:39:51.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everyone else uses today. They would\Ntry to listen in on our phone conversations.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:51.43,0:39:57.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That might not be the right material to look at\Nit from a technological point of view
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.61,0:40:02.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think this material is very interesting and\Nimportant if you want to find something
Dialogue: 0,0:40:02.87,0:40:09.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out about their state of mind. Which\Nis absurd but keep in mind the excuse
Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.82,0:40:15.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you hear from the NSA. They just want to\Nprotect the law and that's why they are
Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.02,0:40:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,breaking the law. That's an excuse you\Nregularly find with the Stasi as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:19.84,0:40:24.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You find parallels and that's why\Nit's important to look at this material
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.59,0:40:31.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though it's very old. The whole \Narchive consists somewhere
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.22,0:40:37.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between one and two million \Nphotographs which absurdly little
Dialogue: 0,0:40:37.02,0:40:40.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you think that the system was in \Noperation for almost 40 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.81,0:40:43.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's fifty thousand \Npictures a year and they had
Dialogue: 0,0:40:43.79,0:40:49.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,85,000 agents. From todays standards\Nthat's nothing but today they would be
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.83,0:40:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,far more sophisticated I guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.52,0:40:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: We have a question over there
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.77,0:41:00.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: Firstly, thank you for your talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:00.49,0:41:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You showed that some of this information had\Nbeen destroyed or at least attempts were
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.05,0:41:11.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,made to destroy and much of it was but\Nthere's a still a lot left to look through.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:11.99,0:41:17.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happens in future generations when, \Ngiven that now surveillance is done all
Dialogue: 0,0:41:17.78,0:41:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digitally, the Stasi had some number of weeks\Nfrom when the wall fell to when they had actually
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.22,0:41:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disband and they had time to to to destroy\Nthings. Given how quickly and easy
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.30,0:41:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is to erase digital information \Nwhat would you say to the people
Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.43,0:41:36.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming after you,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:36.49,0:41:40.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,future generations who might want to try\Nand find similar things in dissolved
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.53,0:41:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance organizations. \NAre they completely stuffed?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.50,0:41:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Unless there is going to be a
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.12,0:41:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revolution they are not going to be able to\Nlook at anything that would be my guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.70,0:41:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need this abrupt \Nshift in the whole system
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.59,0:42:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that decapitates this operation and so they \Nlost everything and now it's frozen in time.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.01,0:42:06.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The guy at the BND told me it's \Nup to us to decide what we reveal and
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.73,0:42:12.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what not because we have a veto. \NOf course nothing is then revealed, ever.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.74,0:42:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As long as this stays the policy \Nand it is the policy currently
Dialogue: 0,0:42:18.14,0:42:21.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everywhere from what I understand you're
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.64,0:42:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not going to be able to look at anything.\NI'm not very optimistic in that respect.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.19,0:42:34.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: Hello, thanks for your talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.19,0:42:39.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How did you decide what faces \Nto anonymise and which not to?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.73,0:42:48.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: With the Czech Republic archive images \NI did it and that's weird you can do
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.11,0:42:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever you want \Nwhich is terrible in a way.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:52.07,0:42:56.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Stasi images, the archive \Nhad to decide and it decided
Dialogue: 0,0:42:56.22,0:43:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the basis when you work in\Nan official position, in the German law
Dialogue: 0,0:43:02.20,0:43:07.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you work in an official position in\Ntimes of historical importance
Dialogue: 0,0:43:07.79,0:43:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like that you lose your privacy rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:10.36,0:43:15.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't share the same privacy rights.\NSo once we could find written evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.21,0:43:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the person shown in the image was\Nworking for the Stasi they lost the
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.64,0:43:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right to privacy. If the slightest doubt\Nremained it had to be pixeled so it wasn't
Dialogue: 0,0:43:31.26,0:43:36.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,done by me. The German privacy \Nrights are very strict.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:38.04,0:43:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: You said when you talked
Dialogue: 0,0:43:42.18,0:43:46.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about surveillance watching each other\Nand surveilling each other that this
Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.37,0:43:51.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be something like the highest state\Nof surveillance but in a sense don't you
Dialogue: 0,0:43:51.68,0:43:54.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think there's now a much higher state and\Nalso that before things were much more
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.97,0:43:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clear. Everybody knew that there was a\Nregime trying to stay in power and tried to
Dialogue: 0,0:43:58.80,0:44:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put down everybody. Now\Nwouldn't it be a situation where they don't
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.36,0:44:07.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even have to break the law, they just\Nmake it legal to surveil. We can see in
Dialogue: 0,0:44:07.87,0:44:12.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,France now with the law on\Nintelligence that passed just after the Charlie
Dialogue: 0,0:44:12.74,0:44:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,murders and now we've got the murders\Nagain and you've got people that have to
Dialogue: 0,0:44:18.14,0:44:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stay in their homes because the\Nintelligence has said that they might
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.56,0:44:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protest and they don't have to go\Nthrough a Judge. They're actually
Dialogue: 0,0:44:24.38,0:44:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making it legal and not even have to\Nbreak the law and also where people
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.85,0:44:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually surveil each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.63,0:44:42.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: That's Facebook today. \NThe general problem with
Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.30,0:44:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance operations I would argue and \Nhope someone from the BND is here
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.81,0:44:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to come forward and talk to them because \Nit would really like to find out.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.08,0:45:02.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would argue that this type of surveillance\Ncannot work. What you're trying to find
Dialogue: 0,0:45:02.91,0:45:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proof for is a state of mind, his thoughts.\NIt's not something you did but some things
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.02,0:45:15.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you think about or you \Nthink you might want to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:15.17,0:45:18.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a photographer and I know \Nhow bad photography is.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.17,0:45:24.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You were looking at images of landscape where no\Nsniper was visible and each one of you saw it.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:24.98,0:45:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how bad photography is as an\Nevidence and this can be proved for
Dialogue: 0,0:45:31.34,0:45:37.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything and nothing. Could be proof.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.70,0:45:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: They just write a paper \Nto the police and he just says okay they're\N
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.97,0:45:43.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dangerous and they have to stay at home.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:43.49,0:45:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Yes but they need proof or evidence \Nfor now. You leave behind such a trail of
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.07,0:45:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evidence yourself that could be \Nread somewhere in the future.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:58.35,0:46:03.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happens in 10 years \Nwhen the US like smoking and
Dialogue: 0,0:46:03.95,0:46:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drinking isn't socially acceptable anymore. \NWhat happens to you then with
Dialogue: 0,0:46:08.45,0:46:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your Facebook entry that's twenty \Nyears old then, it's a weird system.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.66,0:46:20.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: We have another \Nquestion from the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.35,0:46:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet host: Yes somebody from from IRC\N
Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.13,0:46:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is asking if you have tried \Nto contact other agencies.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:27.21,0:46:35.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Yes, like the BND which was not \Nvery successful. With these spies taking pictures of
Dialogue: 0,0:46:35.21,0:46:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spies I tried with the British. I know\Nthese pictures still exists. I know where
Dialogue: 0,0:46:39.60,0:46:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they exist but, sorry. Czech Republic I\Nwas asked by the Institute to
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.30,0:46:54.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approach them but it was very difficult\Nthat's too lengthy to explain now.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:54.05,0:46:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was very difficult working with them
Dialogue: 0,0:46:56.56,0:47:02.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,language wise and because of the\Nstructure of the archive itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:02.70,0:47:07.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were very open and so if you want to do\Nmore research on something like that
Dialogue: 0,0:47:07.86,0:47:13.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go to the Czech Republic's first because\Nit's much easier to work with them on
Dialogue: 0,0:47:13.60,0:47:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the bureaucratic level than with the Germans\Nbut the Germans in a way are more organized.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:22.19,0:47:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the Germans!
Dialogue: 0,0:47:29.100,0:47:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: How hard was it to get the \Nmaterial although it is not classified any more
Dialogue: 0,0:47:34.52,0:47:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how much time did you invest?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:37.52,0:47:40.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: The hardest time was \Nwaiting periods in between
Dialogue: 0,0:47:40.87,0:47:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,requests because German \Nbureaucracy takes forever.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:45.70,0:47:52.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm from West Germany but now I have a huge \Nfile in this archive because they compile everything so
Dialogue: 0,0:47:52.67,0:47:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they keep track of every picture you\Nlooking at. The funny thing is
Dialogue: 0,0:47:57.70,0:48:02.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not hard. You can do it as well.\NYou don't have to be a researcher and
Dialogue: 0,0:48:02.81,0:48:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the archive considers research a basic\Nhuman right which I learned then and it's
Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.14,0:48:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very convenient thing. There are some elderly\Nformer Stasi agents who spend their retirement researching.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:15.56,0:48:22.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something, they can do it. The weird\Nthing was that most of the pictures
Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.73,0:48:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no one's looked at before. That could be\Nproven because they keep track of
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.16,0:48:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything. It's very easy, very\Nlengthy process but very easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:34.44,0:48:37.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: When you decided \Nto visit the archives did you
Dialogue: 0,0:48:37.68,0:48:42.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to apply for a certain \Ncorner in the archive
Dialogue: 0,0:48:42.03,0:48:45.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or could you just walk in and \Nsay show me all your pictures?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:45.22,0:48:48.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: No, it was very \Nopen they might have
Dialogue: 0,0:48:48.91,0:48:55.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,closed off behind me somewhat because\Nfor them it was strangely overwhelming the
Dialogue: 0,0:48:55.74,0:49:01.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amount of feedback they got after my book\Ncame out and they want to be left alone I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:01.52,0:49:16.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to formulate a theme quite \Nclearly for me but since this was new
Dialogue: 0,0:49:16.58,0:49:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back then, for them as well, it was surveillance \Nand photography which is a very broad topic.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:24.10,0:49:31.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now they received quite a few requests like \Nwe want to see what Simon Menners saw
Dialogue: 0,0:49:31.38,0:49:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they don't accept something like this. So\Nyou have to come up with something more clever.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:35.56,0:49:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: How much time \Ndid you spend in their dungeons?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:38.56,0:49:48.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Three years on and off but it's \Nmostly waiting in between so be patient.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:49.56,0:49:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: Modern state agencies \Nincluding NSA and BND have this mentality of
Dialogue: 0,0:49:55.98,0:50:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collect all passive intelligence and\Nhas this ability to minimize the impact
Dialogue: 0,0:50:01.33,0:50:05.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the damage that there's no human eyes\Nlooking at specific piece of surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:05.45,0:50:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course we know this is not true\Nand they can zero in when they want to.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:10.70,0:50:15.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As an archivist how do you \Ntry to understand the
Dialogue: 0,0:50:15.73,0:50:20.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state of mind when you have so much data,\Npossibly unprocessed data, and how do you
Dialogue: 0,0:50:20.62,0:50:25.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get into the mind of filtering through\Nthis bureaucratic censorship of not just
Dialogue: 0,0:50:25.09,0:50:28.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no documents but a \Nhundred million documents.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:28.35,0:50:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: One has to be
Dialogue: 0,0:50:30.66,0:50:35.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very careful with such material because\Nyou look through their eyes and that's
Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.70,0:50:42.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dangerous and that's why I try not to\Nprovide that much "background
Dialogue: 0,0:50:42.59,0:50:46.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information" because the "background\Ninformation" and most of the images has
Dialogue: 0,0:50:46.81,0:50:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,text complied by Stasi agents so theres \Nalready guilty or not guilty written in the text.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:55.16,0:50:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to look at these pictures \Nthrough their eyes but still I find it very
Dialogue: 0,0:50:59.77,0:51:04.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revealing to look at the raw \Nmaterial and the Stasi would have
Dialogue: 0,0:51:04.55,0:51:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collected everything in bulk if they would have been\Nable. They opened every parcel to East
Dialogue: 0,0:51:11.22,0:51:20.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Germany, every letter. Paranoia wise they \Nwere several steps ahead of the NSA.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:20.49,0:51:26.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had a university and when studying \Nthere you could do your PhD but you
Dialogue: 0,0:51:26.39,0:51:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were not allowed to keep your notes
Dialogue: 0,0:51:28.63,0:51:35.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you took during the day. They had to be\Nlocked into lockers that had doors on two sides.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:35.70,0:51:39.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You lock them in and they will copy\Nthat night and you were not allowed to
Dialogue: 0,0:51:39.14,0:51:44.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keep your PhD thesis because the moment\Nyou wrote it was classified top secret
Dialogue: 0,0:51:44.10,0:51:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's paranoia. It really is paranoia.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.44,0:51:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I cannot prove it and that's\Nthe problem with the whole thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:54.08,0:51:56.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one side remains closed.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:56.02,0:52:01.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You cannot prove otherwise. \NMy guess would be they're quite
Dialogue: 0,0:52:01.95,0:52:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happy with the situation, that \Nyou cannot prove otherwise.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:04.72,0:52:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they can always \Nsay we did something else.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:08.69,0:52:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well we can't tell you but not like this. It's always \Nvery weak but from the state of mind insane.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:20.48,0:52:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: What is the \Ncopyright of these pictures?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:23.03,0:52:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are they public domain, can I \Nuse them for internet memes?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:27.28,0:52:33.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: Well no. Unfortunately most of \Nthe pictures on my website are low resolution
Dialogue: 0,0:52:33.35,0:52:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which the archive doesn't like but it's there.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:37.97,0:52:42.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problem is there's a law that covers\Nthis archive. It's not part of the
Dialogue: 0,0:52:42.39,0:52:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,archive sphere in Germany, it has its own\Nlaw and the law was written early
Dialogue: 0,0:52:47.85,0:52:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,90's by lawmakers. We all know them\Nand love them. They never thought about
Dialogue: 0,0:52:54.44,0:53:02.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the fact that an artist might come along\Nand show them. So the law covers publication.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:02.38,0:53:10.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once you have access to the archive \Nyou are allowed to publicize it.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:10.81,0:53:15.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing else is stated. But\Nyou're not allowed to hand over the
Dialogue: 0,0:53:15.30,0:53:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,files and I had lengthy debates with the\Narchive what that could mean because it
Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.92,0:53:30.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you have it on their website you hand \Nout the files - it;s publicizing it. No no no no.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:30.69,0:53:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said what's the difference? We don't \Nreally know but.... Tricky.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:39.62,0:53:46.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so many people copied it from my\Nwebsite which I think is good.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:46.06,0:53:51.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: Having a look at my watch I think we have one\Nmore question here two here.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:51.62,0:53:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: I'm here the next three days look at me I\Nmight not remember your face but you
Dialogue: 0,0:53:56.31,0:54:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might remember my bald head so talk to me
Dialogue: 0,0:54:01.53,0:54:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: Were you able to \Naccess files other than images?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:05.28,0:54:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audio recordings of this phone \Nsurveillance for example?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:07.61,0:54:10.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: That's a very tricky thing. \NYou could listen to those
Dialogue: 0,0:54:10.45,0:54:17.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but getting them is almost impossible \Nbecause German privacy laws again.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:17.05,0:54:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their argument is whenever you speak you
Dialogue: 0,0:54:24.28,0:54:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could reveal something private and that's \Ntheir argument even though you might be
Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.44,0:54:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Erich Honecker or Helmut Kohl \Nbut still it could be private
Dialogue: 0,0:54:36.07,0:54:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you're saying. That's why they\Ncould never release something, you would
Dialogue: 0,0:54:41.85,0:54:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never be allowed to release its stating\Nthats Erich Honecker because it could be private.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:47.48,0:54:58.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a strange law but no one's\Ngoing to change it any more.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:58.09,0:55:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: And the last question over here
Dialogue: 0,0:55:01.13,0:55:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience member: I'm interested how you \Nalways know what shown by the photographs?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:06.68,0:55:13.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Were there captions like spy spying on spy or\Nbrought about by an explanation by yourself?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:13.93,0:55:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simon: It's gazillions of kilometres of\Nfiles and just a very few photographs so
Dialogue: 0,0:55:21.83,0:55:25.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's always a huge amount of\Nbackground information. The greatest
Dialogue: 0,0:55:25.99,0:55:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing and I am absolutely thankful\Ntowards, it was only ladies working at the
Dialogue: 0,0:55:34.92,0:55:40.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,archive, really at the archive handing\Nme the files and giving me the copies because
Dialogue: 0,0:55:40.51,0:55:45.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the most important thing and whenever \Nyou want to work with an
Dialogue: 0,0:55:45.61,0:55:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,archive the trickiest part is how do\Nyou find something you don't know exists.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:49.68,0:55:54.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you can't ask for it. I'm really\Nlooking for...
Dialogue: 0,0:55:54.38,0:56:00.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is there a birthday party? You will never\Nask for something like this but once
Dialogue: 0,0:56:00.51,0:56:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've earned the trust of the people working at\Nthe archive they provide you and provided
Dialogue: 0,0:56:06.00,0:56:13.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me with these images because they knew in\Nwhich direction I was looking for material.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:13.05,0:56:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was always in most cases \Nthere was background information.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:19.54,0:56:26.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a weird set of a dead swan\Nwhich I didn't include in the talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:26.93,0:56:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a set of 4 images of a dead\Nswan. It was only known that it was found
Dialogue: 0,0:56:32.21,0:56:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the vault that was owned by Erich \NMielke the head of Stasi personally.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:37.92,0:56:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's four images of a \Ngrave of a dead swan with
Dialogue: 0,0:56:40.92,0:56:46.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GDR flags around it. That's very\Nfamous for being the biggest mystery in
Dialogue: 0,0:56:46.77,0:56:51.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Stasi files because nothing can \Nbe found about these images.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:51.96,0:56:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't include them in the talk but \Nit's a dead swan, very mysterious.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:55.54,0:56:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Must have been important!
Dialogue: 0,0:56:59.44,0:57:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Host: So thank you Simon very, very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:02.80,0:57:08.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Audience applause]