1 00:00:16,803 --> 00:00:18,693 Thank you to everyone for being here. 2 00:00:18,851 --> 00:00:22,271 I'm sorry I cannot speak in your wonderful language, 3 00:00:22,419 --> 00:00:27,689 but it's all the same a pleasure to be here in this wonderful place, 4 00:00:27,802 --> 00:00:32,402 the right place to speak about plants. 5 00:00:32,490 --> 00:00:36,300 OK, let's start immediately because we have not too much time. 6 00:00:36,347 --> 00:00:42,737 And I will show you now four slides in a very fast sequence. 7 00:00:43,256 --> 00:00:45,116 This one. 8 00:00:45,736 --> 00:00:46,916 This one. 9 00:00:47,926 --> 00:00:49,686 This one. 10 00:00:49,686 --> 00:00:51,566 And, the last one. 11 00:00:51,566 --> 00:00:54,666 Well (Laughs), this one ... 12 00:00:55,726 --> 00:00:59,126 It's a very easy psychological test 13 00:00:59,896 --> 00:01:06,086 we did some years ago to the university students. 14 00:01:06,086 --> 00:01:11,226 We asked these university students to tell us what they saw in the slides. 15 00:01:11,586 --> 00:01:16,466 And 96% of the people interviewed 16 00:01:16,466 --> 00:01:20,736 told us that they saw just deers, elks, frogs, 17 00:01:20,816 --> 00:01:23,466 and for the last slide, 18 00:01:23,466 --> 00:01:27,246 98% of the people will tell you 19 00:01:27,246 --> 00:01:30,596 that there is an adult man and a young girl. 20 00:01:30,596 --> 00:01:34,976 Well, all these slides have in common 21 00:01:34,976 --> 00:01:39,376 the fact that 80% of the slides is made by plants. 22 00:01:39,816 --> 00:01:45,336 But our brain is filtering out all this stuff about plants. 23 00:01:45,636 --> 00:01:49,236 And, it's a well known feature of our brain. 24 00:01:49,236 --> 00:01:51,756 It's called Plant Blindness. 25 00:01:51,756 --> 00:01:56,866 It's the inability to see or notice the plants in the environment. 26 00:01:57,236 --> 00:02:02,846 It's a kind of tool that protects our brain to be overloaded 27 00:02:02,876 --> 00:02:07,566 with a lot of information about this useless green stuff. 28 00:02:07,796 --> 00:02:10,476 We evolved in a forest 29 00:02:10,476 --> 00:02:12,706 and it was much more important for us 30 00:02:12,706 --> 00:02:16,406 to be aware of animals and other humans, 31 00:02:16,406 --> 00:02:19,916 and not to be overloaded with all this information about green. 32 00:02:19,986 --> 00:02:24,266 Well, this was a nice tool at the beginning of our evolution, 33 00:02:24,356 --> 00:02:26,856 but today, it's a problem. 34 00:02:26,856 --> 00:02:32,626 Today, this Plant Blindness prevents us, for example to know this data, 35 00:02:33,116 --> 00:02:35,566 this is the unbelievable data, 36 00:02:35,566 --> 00:02:41,826 99.7% of the biomass of the planet is made by plants. 37 00:02:42,856 --> 00:02:48,446 So, everything that - I would say that the life of the planet, 38 00:02:48,446 --> 00:02:50,636 it's a green place, it's a green life. 39 00:02:50,656 --> 00:02:56,456 All the animals altogether, human included, is just 0.3%. 40 00:02:58,143 --> 00:03:05,163 So it's unbelievable that we don't know, actually, how these plants work 41 00:03:05,303 --> 00:03:12,173 and we are all the time underestimating their amazing abilities. 42 00:03:12,962 --> 00:03:18,512 Well, let's have a look at the beginning, how a plant is made. 43 00:03:18,752 --> 00:03:21,782 A plant is a sessile organism. 44 00:03:21,782 --> 00:03:24,562 Sessile means that it cannot move. 45 00:03:24,562 --> 00:03:27,592 The plants cannot move from one place to the other. 46 00:03:27,592 --> 00:03:30,882 But they can move a lot. 47 00:03:31,582 --> 00:03:33,982 Ops, I'm sorry, I do not know what's happened. 48 00:03:33,982 --> 00:03:38,792 And the second, the second point is that plants have no organs. 49 00:03:39,033 --> 00:03:43,953 This is an unbelievable difference with the animals. 50 00:03:44,423 --> 00:03:49,313 So I mean - animals concentrate specific functions 51 00:03:49,313 --> 00:03:51,383 inside specific organs. 52 00:03:51,383 --> 00:03:55,463 So we have eyes to see, we have lungs for breathing, 53 00:03:55,463 --> 00:03:58,463 we have the stomach to digest and so on. 54 00:03:58,603 --> 00:04:02,103 But the plants evolved not to have any organs, 55 00:04:02,103 --> 00:04:04,953 because having an organ is too dangerous, 56 00:04:04,953 --> 00:04:10,103 for plants that have to be predated, to be eated by animals. 57 00:04:10,103 --> 00:04:14,213 So you can imagine that a single insect, 58 00:04:14,213 --> 00:04:19,223 just eating a little bit of your brain would be enough to kill you, no? 59 00:04:19,413 --> 00:04:22,923 Ah, so this is why the plants have no organs. 60 00:04:22,923 --> 00:04:28,173 But, having no organs doesn't mean that they have not the function. 61 00:04:28,253 --> 00:04:30,053 This is an important point. 62 00:04:30,053 --> 00:04:33,413 In other words, plants are able to see without eyes, 63 00:04:33,413 --> 00:04:35,943 they are able to hear without hearing, 64 00:04:35,943 --> 00:04:39,353 they are able to taste, and to smell, 65 00:04:39,353 --> 00:04:43,043 and to breath without the organs. 66 00:04:43,043 --> 00:04:46,293 And they are also able to make calculations, 67 00:04:46,293 --> 00:04:49,413 memorize, learn without brain. 68 00:04:50,325 --> 00:04:53,425 Now the point about plants is that they cannot move. 69 00:04:53,425 --> 00:04:55,375 But actually, they move a lot. 70 00:04:55,375 --> 00:04:58,435 There are passive movements in plants, 71 00:04:58,435 --> 00:05:00,755 like in this pine cone, no? 72 00:05:00,755 --> 00:05:03,645 The opening and the closing of a pine cone, 73 00:05:03,645 --> 00:05:09,135 that has been used for the production of new passive materials. 74 00:05:09,249 --> 00:05:15,499 Or, this very nice Erodium cicutarium. 75 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:18,469 This is a seed, that you can see. 76 00:05:18,469 --> 00:05:23,129 Just with the change in the humidity it's turning, 77 00:05:23,129 --> 00:05:28,799 and uses this ability to enter in the soil, 78 00:05:29,669 --> 00:05:34,909 and so it's like a spermatozoa, it works very well, 79 00:05:34,909 --> 00:05:40,749 and you can see that some of them are also able to enter in the soil. 80 00:05:40,779 --> 00:05:42,709 Now, what is amazing about that 81 00:05:42,709 --> 00:05:46,189 is that they do this without using any energy. 82 00:05:47,288 --> 00:05:52,028 So they have no muscles, look, it was able to enter. 83 00:05:52,654 --> 00:05:56,774 So, they use no energy, they have no muscles, 84 00:05:56,774 --> 00:06:01,584 and it's just the way the material is made 85 00:06:01,774 --> 00:06:05,994 that is amazing, that makes possible this wonderful movement. 86 00:06:06,258 --> 00:06:11,398 Of course, there are active movements, some of them are very fast, 87 00:06:11,398 --> 00:06:16,808 like in the case of the venus flytrap, dionea, it's a carnivorous plant, 88 00:06:17,358 --> 00:06:20,948 we know that it's a very fast movement. 89 00:06:20,948 --> 00:06:27,478 Many of them can be exhibited 90 00:06:27,478 --> 00:06:32,428 just by making a faster - the time lapse, 91 00:06:32,703 --> 00:06:35,293 the so called... the time lapse technique. 92 00:06:35,293 --> 00:06:37,673 And so we can see this graceful movement 93 00:06:37,673 --> 00:06:42,013 like in this case, this a young bean moving, 94 00:06:42,013 --> 00:06:45,863 it's just three hours of time, it's not a week. 95 00:06:46,283 --> 00:06:49,673 So the plants move a lot, and we can see here, 96 00:06:49,673 --> 00:06:52,723 this growing of some flowers, no? 97 00:06:53,220 --> 00:06:58,720 They grow altogether and even this growing together is important, 98 00:06:58,780 --> 00:07:03,870 because it's an important moment of their social life. 99 00:07:03,870 --> 00:07:08,570 So they are really learning how to stay together 100 00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:11,770 during this first phase of their life. 101 00:07:15,989 --> 00:07:21,689 And now I would like to put our argumentation a little bit further. 102 00:07:22,276 --> 00:07:25,766 Can we tell that plants are conscious organisms? 103 00:07:26,227 --> 00:07:28,877 So because I'm pretty sure that they are intelligent, 104 00:07:28,877 --> 00:07:30,767 I will not discuss with you about that. 105 00:07:31,315 --> 00:07:35,765 Plants are intelligent, and they are able to solve problems, 106 00:07:35,825 --> 00:07:39,425 and this is my preferred definition of intelligence. 107 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:42,639 Now the point is, are plants conscious? 108 00:07:42,679 --> 00:07:49,209 Consciousness is - are plants aware of their position in the environment? 109 00:07:49,289 --> 00:07:54,079 So, it's a problem to find right definitions about consciousness. 110 00:07:54,079 --> 00:07:57,859 It's normally defined by removing something. 111 00:07:58,849 --> 00:08:02,469 Michio Kaku is a quite famous physicist. 112 00:08:02,690 --> 00:08:07,690 And he wrote recently this book "The Future of The Mind," 113 00:08:07,745 --> 00:08:12,985 and as a physicist, he gave a definition of consciousness 114 00:08:12,985 --> 00:08:15,185 that's quite understandable. 115 00:08:16,167 --> 00:08:18,818 Michio Kaku: Consciousness is 116 00:08:18,818 --> 00:08:23,478 the number of feedback loops required to create a model 117 00:08:23,478 --> 00:08:28,298 of your position in space, with relationship to other organisms, 118 00:08:28,299 --> 00:08:31,399 and finally in relationship to time. 119 00:08:31,469 --> 00:08:37,649 Stefano: So, consciousness is just your ability to build a model of yourself 120 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,409 in relation to the space, to the other organisms, and to the time. 121 00:08:42,579 --> 00:08:44,249 Are plants able to do that? 122 00:08:44,249 --> 00:08:45,709 OK. Let's have a look. 123 00:08:45,792 --> 00:08:46,982 First of all ... 124 00:08:46,982 --> 00:08:50,262 Michio Kaku: So think of the consciousness of a thermostat. 125 00:08:50,294 --> 00:08:55,554 I believe that even a lowly thermostat has one unit of consciousness. 126 00:08:55,568 --> 00:08:59,248 That is, it senses the temperature around it. 127 00:08:59,286 --> 00:09:00,786 And then we have a flower, 128 00:09:00,786 --> 00:09:04,736 a flower has maybe, ten units of consciousness. 129 00:09:04,736 --> 00:09:09,826 It has to understand the temperature, the weather, humidity, 130 00:09:09,826 --> 00:09:11,666 where gravity is pointing. 131 00:09:11,666 --> 00:09:15,386 Stefano: Well, so, for Michio Kaku, the sensing, no? 132 00:09:15,386 --> 00:09:18,106 It's the first level of consciousness. 133 00:09:19,586 --> 00:09:25,456 Plants are unbelievably more sensitive than animals. 134 00:09:25,994 --> 00:09:29,384 A single plant is able to detect 135 00:09:29,384 --> 00:09:34,734 at least 20 different chemical and physical parameters all the time. 136 00:09:35,187 --> 00:09:40,387 Among them, there are all the -- our common sense, let's say, 137 00:09:40,599 --> 00:09:43,489 but also something a little bit strange, 138 00:09:43,489 --> 00:09:49,859 as electrical gradient, chemical gradient, magnetic fields, 139 00:09:50,668 --> 00:09:54,168 and, or, heavy metals and so on, pathogens. 140 00:09:54,683 --> 00:09:57,813 So we know that plants, for example, 141 00:09:57,813 --> 00:10:00,393 are very sensitive to gravity. 142 00:10:00,470 --> 00:10:05,041 And as every living organism on the Earth, 143 00:10:05,041 --> 00:10:10,311 we can see here maize growing according to gravity. 144 00:10:10,682 --> 00:10:17,732 But it's less well known that plants are also able to sense vibrations. 145 00:10:18,057 --> 00:10:22,057 And so we can see here how the roots of the plants 146 00:10:22,057 --> 00:10:24,717 grow toward the source of sound. 147 00:10:25,439 --> 00:10:30,689 So they are able to sense the sound, and they are able to grow 148 00:10:30,699 --> 00:10:32,759 toward the source of the sound. 149 00:10:32,759 --> 00:10:36,729 And also, they are able to produce a sound. 150 00:10:36,729 --> 00:10:37,729 (Clicking) 151 00:10:37,729 --> 00:10:43,729 This kind of click is very amplified sound 152 00:10:43,749 --> 00:10:48,570 of a growing ... growing roots. 153 00:10:49,410 --> 00:10:52,250 So, when the roots during - 154 00:10:52,250 --> 00:10:55,980 this is just in real time, so it's few times, few seconds. 155 00:10:56,117 --> 00:11:01,517 A growing root is producing specific sounds 156 00:11:01,517 --> 00:11:07,897 that probably are used by the other root apex, 157 00:11:07,897 --> 00:11:11,877 to have information about the position of the roots in the soil. 158 00:11:11,877 --> 00:11:17,297 Well, let's go on to the second point, 159 00:11:17,297 --> 00:11:21,027 to the first level of consciousness, space. 160 00:11:21,027 --> 00:11:23,937 Michio Kaku: And then finally we go into the reptilian brain, 161 00:11:23,937 --> 00:11:26,607 which I call level-one consciousness, 162 00:11:26,607 --> 00:11:29,357 and reptiles basically have a very good understanding 163 00:11:29,357 --> 00:11:31,077 of their position in space. 164 00:11:31,110 --> 00:11:34,260 Especially because they have to lunge out, and grab pray. 165 00:11:34,481 --> 00:11:39,301 Stefano: OK, so, reptiles are very well aware of the space. 166 00:11:39,301 --> 00:11:42,921 Is this the same for the plants? Let's have a look. 167 00:11:43,010 --> 00:11:46,150 This is a, uh, this is a cuscuta plant. 168 00:11:46,150 --> 00:11:48,710 Cuscuta plant is a parasitic plant 169 00:11:48,803 --> 00:11:54,213 that needs to find a host in a very short time before dying. 170 00:11:54,253 --> 00:11:58,343 And you can see how this plant is immediately directing 171 00:11:58,343 --> 00:12:03,769 towards the tomato plant, finds it 172 00:12:03,769 --> 00:12:07,089 and parasitising the tomato plant. 173 00:12:07,089 --> 00:12:11,189 Well, this is quite trivial. 174 00:12:11,189 --> 00:12:15,779 It's just a chemical driving the information up to the plant. 175 00:12:15,779 --> 00:12:17,809 It's volatile. 176 00:12:17,809 --> 00:12:19,789 But, look at this case. 177 00:12:19,789 --> 00:12:23,739 This is the same plant that has to take a decision, 178 00:12:23,739 --> 00:12:27,189 because it's in the middle, between wheat and tomato. 179 00:12:27,795 --> 00:12:31,955 And all the time, it's choosing tomato. 180 00:12:31,999 --> 00:12:36,119 Well, because tomato, it's much much easier to parasitise. 181 00:12:36,737 --> 00:12:40,017 But if there is no tomato, even wheat can work. 182 00:12:41,140 --> 00:12:44,320 OK, and this is something simple. 183 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,900 Let's, let's do something a little bit more curious. 184 00:12:48,490 --> 00:12:54,840 This is a bean in my lab and this is a support. 185 00:12:56,288 --> 00:13:00,778 You can see how it is moving, for reaching the support. 186 00:13:00,778 --> 00:13:07,598 So I mean, this plant knows exactly where the support is, the pole is. 187 00:13:08,194 --> 00:13:12,464 And it's trying to do all its best for reaching it. 188 00:13:12,474 --> 00:13:14,834 I don't know if you can see, 189 00:13:14,834 --> 00:13:18,544 but the apex of the shoots already made a kind of hook 190 00:13:18,843 --> 00:13:25,563 in the right position, even if the plant didn't touch until now, the support. 191 00:13:26,067 --> 00:13:30,427 And you can see also the movement, 192 00:13:30,557 --> 00:13:35,467 it's a wonderful movement. It's just, in this case, just passive, 193 00:13:35,507 --> 00:13:41,767 just based on multi traders, look at the hook, in the apex. 194 00:13:42,097 --> 00:13:45,653 And, almost ... 195 00:13:46,563 --> 00:13:47,733 Eh? 196 00:13:47,733 --> 00:13:51,213 Another try, and it's not enough. 197 00:13:51,213 --> 00:13:57,143 And you can almost feel the effort, no? 198 00:13:57,393 --> 00:14:01,523 And, and look at the leaves now, that they reach the support. 199 00:14:01,523 --> 00:14:06,553 Now, it's much much quieter, calmer. 200 00:14:07,641 --> 00:14:12,761 Anyway, so we know that the bean is aware of the pole. 201 00:14:12,761 --> 00:14:17,231 OK? It's the result of something more impressive 202 00:14:17,231 --> 00:14:22,361 because, look in this case, I am putting a pole among two beans. 203 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:24,732 So, there is the sensing phase. 204 00:14:24,732 --> 00:14:28,352 They know there is a pole and they start to compete. 205 00:14:29,292 --> 00:14:33,362 And look when the first one is winning, the winner, 206 00:14:33,362 --> 00:14:35,672 the other one changes direction. 207 00:14:38,812 --> 00:14:43,082 So, you can repeat this experiment 100 times, 208 00:14:43,112 --> 00:14:47,652 and 100 times you will get the same result. 209 00:14:48,284 --> 00:14:54,354 So, this means that the second plant is not just aware of the support, 210 00:14:54,484 --> 00:14:58,149 it's also aware of another organism, of another plant, 211 00:14:58,271 --> 00:15:03,711 and it is aware of what the other plant is able to do. OK? 212 00:15:04,669 --> 00:15:06,799 Great. Social life. 213 00:15:07,606 --> 00:15:11,236 Michio Kaku: Then we have level-two consciousness, the monkey consciousness. 214 00:15:11,236 --> 00:15:14,587 The consciousness of emotions, social hierarchy. 215 00:15:14,587 --> 00:15:17,407 Where are we in relationship to the tribe? 216 00:15:17,407 --> 00:15:20,457 Stefano: OK. I don't want to spend too much time, 217 00:15:20,457 --> 00:15:23,947 because the social life of the plants is very well known. 218 00:15:23,947 --> 00:15:26,947 Plants are social organisms, 219 00:15:26,947 --> 00:15:33,597 at any level of their evolution, from Chlamydomonas - 220 00:15:33,727 --> 00:15:39,540 this is a single algae, unicellular algae that shows weird behaviour. 221 00:15:39,540 --> 00:15:44,710 So, a kind of social movement like the one of the hands. 222 00:15:50,162 --> 00:15:54,782 These winged shoots, look how they oscillate altogether. 223 00:15:55,445 --> 00:16:00,995 OK, this is a, this is something very easy to do, but it's not easy at all. 224 00:16:01,273 --> 00:16:05,273 You need to be in sync with your neighbor to do this, 225 00:16:05,273 --> 00:16:10,383 so you need to be well aware of what the movement of your neighbors are. 226 00:16:11,562 --> 00:16:15,905 And kin recognition. 227 00:16:15,905 --> 00:16:19,505 It's something unbelievably interesting. 228 00:16:19,505 --> 00:16:24,795 So we know that today that plants have different behaviour 229 00:16:24,795 --> 00:16:28,875 according to the degree of relativeness of the other plants. 230 00:16:29,485 --> 00:16:36,265 So, normally, for example, beans, the very common bean, are cooperating, 231 00:16:36,265 --> 00:16:39,775 when they are in the same pot, they are related. 232 00:16:40,291 --> 00:16:44,601 But when the two plants are unrelated, they are normally competing. 233 00:16:46,855 --> 00:16:54,455 And, in a wood, it's a huge network 234 00:16:54,483 --> 00:16:57,943 of plants interacting each other. 235 00:16:57,943 --> 00:17:04,043 For example, we know that - this is a graph showing that a single tree 236 00:17:04,043 --> 00:17:08,613 is linked to 47 different trees, and they use 237 00:17:08,793 --> 00:17:14,353 this network for sharing information, 238 00:17:14,353 --> 00:17:18,803 for sharing even food and water, nutrients and water. 239 00:17:18,886 --> 00:17:25,476 Well, there is much more with plants. 240 00:17:25,476 --> 00:17:31,846 We have not too much time to show all of the - 241 00:17:31,846 --> 00:17:34,026 the wonderful things about plants. 242 00:17:34,026 --> 00:17:36,186 Plants, for example, are able to memorize. 243 00:17:36,393 --> 00:17:38,723 They are able to memorize and to learn. 244 00:17:39,161 --> 00:17:43,331 We demonstrated just a few months ago that it's possible to teach 245 00:17:43,331 --> 00:17:46,811 a mimosa sensitive plant not to close anymore 246 00:17:46,811 --> 00:17:49,691 when there is a non dangerous stimulus. 247 00:17:50,146 --> 00:17:57,036 And, this sensitive plant is able to maintain the information for 40 days. 248 00:17:57,036 --> 00:18:02,346 So I mean, the memory lasts at least 40 days. That is a lot. 249 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,840 And in the average, the memory of an insect is just 24 hours. 250 00:18:08,510 --> 00:18:11,680 Even for me, 40 days is a lot. 251 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,750 (Laughter) 252 00:18:12,750 --> 00:18:18,230 And so, it's amazing to see that 253 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:20,940 plants are able to maintain information for so long. 254 00:18:21,407 --> 00:18:24,827 And, just a last thing. 255 00:18:25,067 --> 00:18:27,937 From my point of view, 256 00:18:27,937 --> 00:18:32,877 intelligence and consciousness are real biological phenomenons. 257 00:18:33,267 --> 00:18:35,917 So they can be studied, as real, 258 00:18:35,917 --> 00:18:39,697 they need to be studied as real biological phenomenons. 259 00:18:40,096 --> 00:18:43,046 And it's something like reproduction, I mean, 260 00:18:43,046 --> 00:18:49,146 reproduction is completely different in bacteria, phangiae, and humans. OK? 261 00:18:49,356 --> 00:18:53,466 But there is a common background 262 00:18:53,466 --> 00:18:57,096 that means that the phenomenon is reproduction, 263 00:18:57,096 --> 00:19:02,346 it's the same for intelligence, it's different, but always the same. 264 00:19:02,634 --> 00:19:03,714 Thank you very much. 265 00:19:03,714 --> 00:19:05,951 (Applause)