1 00:00:08,246 --> 00:00:10,408 What is a parent? 2 00:00:13,067 --> 00:00:15,175 It's not an easy question. 3 00:00:15,654 --> 00:00:18,028 Today we have adoption, 4 00:00:18,052 --> 00:00:19,628 stepfamilies, 5 00:00:19,652 --> 00:00:21,109 surrogate mothers. 6 00:00:21,870 --> 00:00:24,283 Many parents face tough questions 7 00:00:25,175 --> 00:00:26,704 and tough decisions. 8 00:00:27,912 --> 00:00:31,165 Shall we tell our child about the sperm donation? 9 00:00:33,346 --> 00:00:34,721 If so, when? 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,800 What words to use? 11 00:00:37,546 --> 00:00:43,407 Sperm donors are often referred to as "biological fathers," 12 00:00:43,431 --> 00:00:46,430 but should we really be using the word "father?" 13 00:00:48,467 --> 00:00:50,872 As a philosopher and social scientist, 14 00:00:50,896 --> 00:00:55,118 I have been studying these questions about the concept of parenthood. 15 00:00:55,712 --> 00:00:58,740 But today, I will talk to you about what I learned 16 00:00:58,764 --> 00:01:00,904 from talking to parents and children. 17 00:01:02,001 --> 00:01:06,355 I will show you that they know what matters most in a family, 18 00:01:06,379 --> 00:01:08,910 even though their family looks a little different. 19 00:01:09,757 --> 00:01:14,758 I will show you their creative ways of dealing with tough questions. 20 00:01:15,911 --> 00:01:19,661 But I will also show you the parents' uncertainties. 21 00:01:21,908 --> 00:01:23,439 We interviewed couples 22 00:01:23,463 --> 00:01:26,865 who received fertility treatment at Ghent University Hospital, 23 00:01:27,699 --> 00:01:29,438 using sperm from a donor. 24 00:01:30,707 --> 00:01:32,274 In this treatment timeline, 25 00:01:32,298 --> 00:01:35,590 you can see two points at which we conducted interviews. 26 00:01:36,978 --> 00:01:39,411 We included heterosexual couples, 27 00:01:40,039 --> 00:01:43,911 where the man for some reason did not have good-quality sperm, 28 00:01:44,363 --> 00:01:49,481 and lesbian couples who obviously needed to find sperm elsewhere. 29 00:01:50,980 --> 00:01:53,178 We also included children. 30 00:01:54,862 --> 00:01:56,345 I wanted to know 31 00:01:56,369 --> 00:02:01,002 how those children define concepts like parenthood and family. 32 00:02:02,046 --> 00:02:04,847 In fact, that is what I asked them, 33 00:02:06,243 --> 00:02:07,682 only not in that way. 34 00:02:09,421 --> 00:02:12,080 I drew an apple tree instead. 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,348 This way, I could ask abstract, philosophical questions 36 00:02:16,372 --> 00:02:19,645 in a way that did not make them run off. 37 00:02:21,316 --> 00:02:22,968 So as you can see, 38 00:02:22,992 --> 00:02:24,534 the apple tree is empty. 39 00:02:25,550 --> 00:02:28,163 And that illustrates my research approach. 40 00:02:29,513 --> 00:02:31,796 By designing techniques like this, 41 00:02:31,820 --> 00:02:36,593 I can bring as little meaning and content as possible to the interview, 42 00:02:37,387 --> 00:02:39,405 because I want to hear that from them. 43 00:02:41,216 --> 00:02:42,548 I asked them: 44 00:02:43,592 --> 00:02:46,682 What would your family look like if it were an apple tree? 45 00:02:47,593 --> 00:02:51,343 And they could take a paper apple for everyone who, in their view, 46 00:02:51,367 --> 00:02:52,974 was a member of the family, 47 00:02:52,998 --> 00:02:56,172 write a name on it and hang it wherever they wanted. 48 00:02:56,196 --> 00:02:57,766 And I would ask questions. 49 00:02:59,007 --> 00:03:02,132 Most children started with a parent or a sibling. 50 00:03:02,660 --> 00:03:04,824 One started with "Boxer," 51 00:03:05,521 --> 00:03:08,029 the dead dog of his grandparents. 52 00:03:09,644 --> 00:03:13,502 At this point, none of the children started mentioning the donor. 53 00:03:14,279 --> 00:03:18,617 So, I asked them about their birth story. 54 00:03:18,975 --> 00:03:20,997 I said, "Before you were born, 55 00:03:21,021 --> 00:03:23,384 it was just your mom and dad, 56 00:03:23,408 --> 00:03:24,686 or mom and mommy. 57 00:03:25,235 --> 00:03:28,292 Can you tell me how you came into the family?" 58 00:03:29,096 --> 00:03:30,535 And they explained. 59 00:03:31,416 --> 00:03:32,622 One said, 60 00:03:33,505 --> 00:03:35,978 "My parents did not have good seeds, 61 00:03:36,679 --> 00:03:40,701 but there are friendly men out there who have spare seeds. 62 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,950 They bring them to the hospital, 63 00:03:42,974 --> 00:03:45,188 and they put them in a big jar. 64 00:03:46,063 --> 00:03:47,300 My mommy went there, 65 00:03:47,324 --> 00:03:49,895 and she took two from the jar, 66 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,738 one for me and one for my sister. 67 00:03:53,539 --> 00:03:55,588 She put the seeds in her belly -- 68 00:03:55,975 --> 00:03:57,167 somehow -- 69 00:03:58,050 --> 00:04:00,357 and her belly grew really big, 70 00:04:00,381 --> 00:04:01,633 and there I was." 71 00:04:03,103 --> 00:04:04,253 Hmm. 72 00:04:05,937 --> 00:04:10,005 So only when they started mentioning the donor, 73 00:04:10,029 --> 00:04:13,254 I asked questions about him, using their own words. 74 00:04:13,740 --> 00:04:15,139 I said, 75 00:04:15,163 --> 00:04:19,629 "If this would be an apple for the friendly man with the seeds, 76 00:04:19,653 --> 00:04:20,986 what would you do with it?" 77 00:04:21,883 --> 00:04:24,241 And one boy was thinking out loud, 78 00:04:24,265 --> 00:04:25,633 holding the apple. 79 00:04:25,657 --> 00:04:26,902 And he said, 80 00:04:27,704 --> 00:04:30,398 "I won't put this one up there with the others. 81 00:04:31,053 --> 00:04:32,946 He's not part of my family. 82 00:04:34,005 --> 00:04:36,199 But I will not put him on the ground. 83 00:04:36,223 --> 00:04:38,133 That's too cold and too hard. 84 00:04:39,338 --> 00:04:41,639 I think he should be in the trunk, 85 00:04:42,521 --> 00:04:44,864 because he made my family possible. 86 00:04:45,578 --> 00:04:47,532 If he would not have done this, 87 00:04:47,556 --> 00:04:51,514 that would really be sad because my family would not be here, 88 00:04:51,538 --> 00:04:53,134 and I would not be here." 89 00:04:56,159 --> 00:04:59,687 So also, parents constructed family tales -- 90 00:04:59,711 --> 00:05:01,468 tales to tell their children. 91 00:05:02,974 --> 00:05:06,101 One couple explained their insemination 92 00:05:06,125 --> 00:05:08,648 by taking their children to a farm 93 00:05:09,605 --> 00:05:12,166 to watch a vet inseminate cows. 94 00:05:14,406 --> 00:05:15,777 And why not? 95 00:05:17,365 --> 00:05:19,805 It's their way of explaining; 96 00:05:19,829 --> 00:05:22,855 their do-it-yourself with family narratives. 97 00:05:23,295 --> 00:05:24,475 DIY. 98 00:05:24,847 --> 00:05:27,215 And we had another couple who made books -- 99 00:05:27,239 --> 00:05:28,694 a book for each child. 100 00:05:29,066 --> 00:05:30,588 They were really works of art 101 00:05:30,612 --> 00:05:34,088 containing their thoughts and feelings throughout the treatment. 102 00:05:34,506 --> 00:05:37,120 They even had the hospital parking tickets in there. 103 00:05:37,867 --> 00:05:39,488 So it is DIY: 104 00:05:39,512 --> 00:05:41,894 finding ways, words and images 105 00:05:41,918 --> 00:05:44,668 to tell your family story to your child. 106 00:05:46,031 --> 00:05:48,846 And these stories were highly diverse, 107 00:05:49,254 --> 00:05:52,190 but they all had one thing in common: 108 00:05:54,227 --> 00:05:57,448 it was a tale of longing for a child 109 00:05:58,199 --> 00:05:59,877 and a quest for that child. 110 00:06:00,684 --> 00:06:05,751 It was about how special and how deeply loved their child was. 111 00:06:07,456 --> 00:06:11,818 And research so far shows that these children are doing fine, 112 00:06:11,842 --> 00:06:13,817 including those from lesbian couples. 113 00:06:14,428 --> 00:06:17,022 They do not have more problems than other kids. 114 00:06:18,568 --> 00:06:22,989 Yet, these parents also wanted to justify their decisions 115 00:06:23,013 --> 00:06:24,675 through the tales they tell. 116 00:06:25,219 --> 00:06:28,353 They hoped that their children would understand their reasons 117 00:06:28,377 --> 00:06:30,212 for making the family in this way. 118 00:06:31,579 --> 00:06:35,533 Underlying was a fear that their children might disapprove, 119 00:06:35,557 --> 00:06:37,799 and would reject the non-genetic parent. 120 00:06:38,225 --> 00:06:40,845 And that fear is understandable, 121 00:06:40,869 --> 00:06:43,910 because we live in a very heteronormative 122 00:06:43,934 --> 00:06:45,672 and geneticized society -- 123 00:06:46,152 --> 00:06:47,644 a world that still believes 124 00:06:47,668 --> 00:06:51,820 that true families consist of one mom, one dad 125 00:06:51,844 --> 00:06:54,181 and their genetically related children. 126 00:06:55,673 --> 00:06:56,828 Well. 127 00:06:58,179 --> 00:07:01,197 I want to tell you about a teenage boy. 128 00:07:01,221 --> 00:07:03,990 He was donor-conceived, but not part of our study. 129 00:07:04,616 --> 00:07:07,235 One day, he had an argument with his father, 130 00:07:07,259 --> 00:07:08,551 and he yelled, 131 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:11,416 "You're telling me what to do? 132 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,321 You're not even my father!" 133 00:07:15,512 --> 00:07:18,894 That was exactly what the parents in our study feared. 134 00:07:20,398 --> 00:07:23,627 Now, the boy soon felt sorry, and they made up. 135 00:07:24,043 --> 00:07:27,814 But it is the reaction of his father that is most interesting. 136 00:07:28,583 --> 00:07:29,756 He said, 137 00:07:30,186 --> 00:07:35,548 "This outburst had nothing to do with the lack of a genetic link. 138 00:07:36,179 --> 00:07:39,056 It was about puberty -- 139 00:07:39,419 --> 00:07:40,860 being difficult. 140 00:07:40,884 --> 00:07:42,647 It's what they do at that age. 141 00:07:43,206 --> 00:07:44,480 It will pass." 142 00:07:45,876 --> 00:07:50,344 What this man shows us is that when something goes wrong, 143 00:07:50,978 --> 00:07:52,579 we should not immediately think 144 00:07:52,603 --> 00:07:55,010 it is because the family is a little different. 145 00:07:55,744 --> 00:07:58,830 These things happen in all families. 146 00:08:00,350 --> 00:08:03,909 And every now and then, all parents may wonder: 147 00:08:04,826 --> 00:08:06,855 Am I a good enough parent? 148 00:08:07,578 --> 00:08:08,902 These parents, too. 149 00:08:09,513 --> 00:08:13,606 They, above all, wanted to do what's best for their child. 150 00:08:14,162 --> 00:08:16,057 But they also sometimes wondered: 151 00:08:16,448 --> 00:08:18,224 Am I a real parent? 152 00:08:18,702 --> 00:08:22,671 And their uncertainties were present long before they even were parents. 153 00:08:22,695 --> 00:08:24,127 At the start of treatment, 154 00:08:24,151 --> 00:08:25,866 when they first saw the counselor, 155 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,255 they paid close attention to the counselor, 156 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:31,286 because they wanted to do it right. 157 00:08:32,267 --> 00:08:33,745 Even 10 years later, 158 00:08:34,467 --> 00:08:37,086 they still remember the advice they were given. 159 00:08:41,395 --> 00:08:44,296 So when they thought about the counselor 160 00:08:45,268 --> 00:08:47,067 and the advice they were given, 161 00:08:47,091 --> 00:08:48,254 we discussed that. 162 00:08:48,278 --> 00:08:51,842 And we saw one lesbian couple who said, 163 00:08:53,041 --> 00:08:54,645 "When our son asks us, 164 00:08:54,669 --> 00:08:56,718 'Do I have a dad?' 165 00:08:57,896 --> 00:09:00,708 we will say 'No, you do not have a dad.' 166 00:09:01,253 --> 00:09:04,321 But we will say nothing more, not unless he asks, 167 00:09:04,701 --> 00:09:06,729 because he might not be ready for that. 168 00:09:06,753 --> 00:09:08,253 The counselor said so." 169 00:09:09,764 --> 00:09:10,934 Well. 170 00:09:11,505 --> 00:09:13,407 I don't know; that's quite different 171 00:09:13,431 --> 00:09:16,124 from how we respond to children's questions. 172 00:09:16,887 --> 00:09:19,688 Like, "Milk -- is that made in a factory?" 173 00:09:20,197 --> 00:09:23,359 We will say, "No, it comes from cows," 174 00:09:23,383 --> 00:09:25,139 and we will talk about the farmer, 175 00:09:25,163 --> 00:09:27,386 and the way the milk ends up in the shop. 176 00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:29,767 We will not say, 177 00:09:30,516 --> 00:09:34,124 "No, milk is not made in a factory." 178 00:09:38,556 --> 00:09:40,986 So something strange happened here, 179 00:09:41,010 --> 00:09:43,368 and of course these children noticed that. 180 00:09:44,085 --> 00:09:45,370 One boy said, 181 00:09:45,959 --> 00:09:48,351 "I asked my parents loads of questions, 182 00:09:48,375 --> 00:09:50,184 but they acted really weird. 183 00:09:51,183 --> 00:09:55,127 So, you know, I have a friend at school, and she's made in the same way. 184 00:09:55,691 --> 00:09:58,691 When I have a question, I just go and ask her." 185 00:10:00,226 --> 00:10:01,434 Clever guy. 186 00:10:02,144 --> 00:10:03,441 Problem solved. 187 00:10:04,279 --> 00:10:06,863 But his parents did not notice, 188 00:10:07,389 --> 00:10:09,971 and it certainly was not what they had in mind, 189 00:10:09,995 --> 00:10:11,929 nor what the counselor had in mind 190 00:10:11,953 --> 00:10:17,150 when they were saying how important it is to be an open-communication family. 191 00:10:18,904 --> 00:10:21,190 And that's the strange thing about advice. 192 00:10:21,214 --> 00:10:24,510 When we offer people pills, we gather evidence first. 193 00:10:25,050 --> 00:10:26,306 We do tests, 194 00:10:26,330 --> 00:10:27,631 we do follow-up studies. 195 00:10:27,655 --> 00:10:31,582 We want to know, and rightly so, what this pill is doing, 196 00:10:31,606 --> 00:10:34,102 and how it affects people's lives. 197 00:10:34,437 --> 00:10:35,758 And advice? 198 00:10:37,262 --> 00:10:39,108 It is not enough for advice, 199 00:10:39,132 --> 00:10:43,955 or for professionals to give advice that is theoretically sound, 200 00:10:43,979 --> 00:10:45,280 or well-meant. 201 00:10:45,961 --> 00:10:49,342 It should be advice that there is evidence for -- 202 00:10:49,366 --> 00:10:53,267 evidence that it actually improves patients' lives. 203 00:10:54,601 --> 00:10:59,164 So the philosopher in me would now like to offer you a paradox: 204 00:11:00,789 --> 00:11:04,873 I advise you to stop following advice. 205 00:11:06,411 --> 00:11:07,631 But, yes. 206 00:11:08,735 --> 00:11:11,652 (Applause) 207 00:11:13,105 --> 00:11:15,668 I will not end here with what went wrong; 208 00:11:15,692 --> 00:11:19,928 I would not be doing justice to the warmth we found in those families. 209 00:11:21,445 --> 00:11:24,075 Remember the books and the trip to the farmer? 210 00:11:24,099 --> 00:11:27,713 When parents do things that work for them, 211 00:11:28,086 --> 00:11:29,659 they do brilliant things. 212 00:11:30,905 --> 00:11:34,548 What I want you to remember as members of families, 213 00:11:34,572 --> 00:11:37,063 in no matter what form or shape, 214 00:11:37,444 --> 00:11:42,791 is that what families need are warm relationships. 215 00:11:43,867 --> 00:11:47,328 And we do not need to be professionals to create those. 216 00:11:48,158 --> 00:11:50,460 Most of us do just fine, 217 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:53,169 although it may be hard work, 218 00:11:53,552 --> 00:11:56,422 and from time to time, we can do with some advice. 219 00:11:57,723 --> 00:11:58,994 In that case, 220 00:11:59,018 --> 00:12:01,041 bear in mind three things. 221 00:12:02,274 --> 00:12:05,561 Work with advice that works for your family. 222 00:12:06,482 --> 00:12:11,960 Remember -- you're the expert, because you live your family life. 223 00:12:13,195 --> 00:12:14,479 And finally, 224 00:12:14,992 --> 00:12:18,982 believe in your abilities and your creativity, 225 00:12:19,541 --> 00:12:22,886 because you can do it yourself. 226 00:12:23,725 --> 00:12:24,880 Thank you. 227 00:12:24,904 --> 00:12:29,635 (Applause)