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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.11,0:00:05.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I come to you today\Nto speak of liars,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.21,0:00:06.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lawsuits
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.70,0:00:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and laughter.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.04,0:00:12.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first time I heard\Nabout Holocaust denial,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.18,0:00:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I laughed.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.10,0:00:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Holocaust denial?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.37,0:00:19.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Holocaust which has\Nthe dubious distinction
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.82,0:00:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of being the best-documented\Ngenocide in the world?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.05,0:00:27.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who could believe it didn't happen?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.22,0:00:29.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.29,0:00:32.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For deniers to be right,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.85,0:00:35.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who would have to be wrong?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.26,0:00:37.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, first of all --
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.22,0:00:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the victims,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.13,0:00:42.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the survivors who have told us\Ntheir harrowing stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.76,0:00:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who else would have to be wrong?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.25,0:00:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The bystanders.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.30,0:00:52.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The people who lived in the myriads\Nof towns and villages and cities
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.31,0:00:54.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Eastern front,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.30,0:00:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who watched their neighbors\Nbe rounded up --
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.77,0:01:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,men, women, children, young, old --
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.00,0:01:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be marched\Nto the outskirts of the town
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.68,0:01:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be shot and left dead in ditches.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.27,0:01:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or the Poles,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.70,0:01:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who lived in towns and villages\Naround the death camps,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.27,0:01:14.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who watched day after day
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.66,0:01:17.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the trains went in filled with people
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.64,0:01:18.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and came out empty.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.87,0:01:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But above all,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.77,0:01:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who would have to be wrong?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.23,0:01:25.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The perpetrators.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.34,0:01:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The people who say, "We did it.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.78,0:01:31.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did it."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.40,0:01:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now maybe they add a caveat --
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.57,0:01:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they say, "I didn't have a choice,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.30,0:01:37.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was forced to do it."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.30,0:01:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But nonetheless, they say, "I did it."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.08,0:01:43.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.76,0:01:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In not one war crimes trial\Nsince the end of World War II
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.61,0:01:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has a perpetrator of any nationality\Never said, "It didn't happen."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.30,0:02:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, they may have said, "I was forced,"\Nbut never that it didn't happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.88,0:02:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having thought that through,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.38,0:02:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I decided denial was not\Ngoing to be on my agenda;
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.35,0:02:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had bigger things to worry about,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.09,0:02:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to write about,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.09,0:02:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to research,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.12,0:02:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I moved on.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.16,0:02:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fast forward a little over a decade,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.05,0:02:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and two senior scholars --
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.79,0:02:19.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scholars of the Holocaust,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.07,0:02:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two of the most prominent\Nhistorians of the Holocaust --
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.76,0:02:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approached me and said,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.88,0:02:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Deborah, let's have coffee.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.25,0:02:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a research idea\Nthat we think is perfect for you."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.63,0:02:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Intrigued and flattered that they\Ncame to me with an idea
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.48,0:02:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thought me worthy of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.25,0:02:35.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I asked, "What is it?"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.85,0:02:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they said, "Holocaust denial."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.53,0:02:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for the second time, I laughed.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.47,0:02:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Holocaust denial?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.42,0:02:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The flat Earth folks?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.55,0:02:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Elvis is alive people?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.65,0:02:51.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should study them?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.44,0:02:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these two guys said,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.78,0:02:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yeah, we're intrigued.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.29,0:02:56.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are they about?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.88,0:02:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's their objective?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.50,0:03:02.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do they manage to get people\Nto believe what they say?"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.89,0:03:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thinking, if they thought\Nit was worthwhile,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.55,0:03:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would take a momentary diversion --
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.77,0:03:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe a year,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.95,0:03:12.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe two, three, maybe even four --
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.83,0:03:15.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in academic terms, that's momentary.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.22,0:03:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.39,0:03:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We work very slowly.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.80,0:03:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.22,0:03:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I would look at them.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.15,0:03:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I did.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.41,0:03:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did my research and I came up\Nwith a number of things,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.28,0:03:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two of which I'd like to share\Nwith you today.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.84,0:03:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One:
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.27,0:03:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deniers are wolves in sheep's clothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.92,0:03:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are the same nazis, neo-Nazis --
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.91,0:03:42.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can decide whether you want\Nto put a "neo" there or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.92,0:03:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when I looked at them,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.46,0:03:49.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't see any SS-like uniforms,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.98,0:03:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,swastika-like symbols on the wall,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.16,0:03:55.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sieg heil salutes --
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.44,0:03:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,none of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.84,0:03:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I found instead
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.87,0:04:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were people parading\Nas respectable academics.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.04,0:04:06.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What did they have?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.43,0:04:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had an institute.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.07,0:04:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,An institute for historical review.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.52,0:04:13.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had a journal --
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.89,0:04:15.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a slick journal --
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.19,0:04:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a journal of historical review.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.56,0:04:21.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One filled with papers --
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.13,0:04:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,footnote-laden papers.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.96,0:04:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they had a new name.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.60,0:04:28.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not neo-Nazis,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.95,0:04:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not anti-Semites --
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.53,0:04:32.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revisionists.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.15,0:04:35.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said, "We are revisionists.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.39,0:04:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are out to do one thing:
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.23,0:04:42.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to revise mistakes in history."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.50,0:04:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But all you had to do was go\None inch below the surface,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.03,0:04:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what did you find there?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.96,0:04:52.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same adulation of Hitler,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.35,0:04:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,praise of the Third Reich,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.46,0:04:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anti-Semitism, racism, prejudice.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.95,0:04:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what intrigued me.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.21,0:05:07.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was anti-Semitism, racism, prejudice\Nparading as rational discourse.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.81,0:05:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other thing I found --
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.58,0:05:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many of us have been taught to think\Nthere are facts and there are opinions --
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.30,0:05:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after studying deniers,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.78,0:05:17.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think differently.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.67,0:05:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are facts,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.34,0:05:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are opinions,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.12,0:05:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there are lies.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.39,0:05:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what deniers want to do\Nis take their lies,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.72,0:05:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dress them up as opinions --
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.59,0:05:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe edgy opinions,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.60,0:05:35.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe sort of out-of-the-box opinions --
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.25,0:05:36.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then if they're opinions,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.65,0:05:38.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they should be part of the conversation.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.81,0:05:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they encroach on the facts.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.42,0:05:45.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I published my work --
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.01,0:05:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the book was published,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.21,0:05:49.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Denying the Holocaust: The Growing\NAssault on Truth and Memory,"
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.74,0:05:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it came out in many different countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.72,0:05:54.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including here and Penguin UK,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.02,0:05:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was done with those folks\Nand ready to move on.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.39,0:06:02.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then came the letter\Nfrom Penguin UK,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.67,0:06:07.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for the third time, I laughed ...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.45,0:06:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mistakenly.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.13,0:06:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I opened the letter,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.88,0:06:16.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it informed me that David Irving\Nwas bringing a libel suit against me
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.79,0:06:18.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the United Kingdom
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.41,0:06:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for calling him a Holocaust denier.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.02,0:06:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,David Irving suing me?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.98,0:06:25.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who was David Irving?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.35,0:06:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,David Irving was a writer\Nof historical works,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.98,0:06:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most of them about World War II,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.03,0:06:33.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and virtually all of those works\Ntook the position
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.27,0:06:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the nazis were really not so bad,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.87,0:06:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the allies were really not so good,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.88,0:06:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Jews,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.88,0:06:42.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever happened to them,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.15,0:06:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they sort of deserved it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.36,0:06:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He knew the documents,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.87,0:06:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he knew the facts,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.42,0:06:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he somehow twisted them\Nto get this opinion.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.05,0:06:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He hadn't always been a Holocaust denier,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.72,0:06:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in the late '80s,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.57,0:06:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he embraced it with great vigor.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.81,0:07:03.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason I laughed also\Nwas this was a man
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.53,0:07:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who not only was a Holocaust denier,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.49,0:07:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but seemed quite proud of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.30,0:07:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here was a man --
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.30,0:07:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I a quote --
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.30,0:07:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who said, "I'm going to sink\Nthe battleship Auschwitz."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.57,0:07:18.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here was a man who pointed\Nto the number tattooed on a survivor's arm
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.02,0:07:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and said, "How much money have you made
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.52,0:07:25.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from having that number\Ntattooed on your arm?"
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.80,0:07:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here was a man who said,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.74,0:07:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"More people died in Senator Kennedy's\Ncar at Chappaquiddick
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.05,0:07:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than died in gas chambers at Auschwitz."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.32,0:07:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's an American reference,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.72,0:07:38.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you can look it up.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.53,0:07:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was not a man who seemed\Nat all ashamed or reticent
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.57,0:07:44.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about being a Holocaust denier.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.25,0:07:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, lots of my academic\Ncolleagues counseled me --
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.16,0:07:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Eh, Deborah, just ignore it."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.09,0:07:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I explained you can't\Njust ignore a libel suit,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.78,0:07:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they said, "Who's gonna\Nbelieve him anyway?"
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.91,0:07:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But here was the problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.01,0:08:02.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,British law put the onus --
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.65,0:08:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put the burden of proof on me
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.48,0:08:08.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to prove the truth of what I said,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.21,0:08:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in contrast to as it would have\Nbeen in the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.87,0:08:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in many other countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.50,0:08:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on him to prove the falsehood.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.02,0:08:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What did that mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.66,0:08:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That meant if I didn't fight,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.96,0:08:23.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he would win by default.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.100,0:08:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if he won by default,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.84,0:08:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he could then legitimately say,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.50,0:08:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"My David Irving version of the Holocaust\Nis a legitimate version.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.68,0:08:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Deborah Lipstadt was found\Nto have libeled me
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.77,0:08:37.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when she called me a Holocaust denier,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.85,0:08:42.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ipso facto, I David Irving, am not\Na Holocaust denier."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.30,0:08:44.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what is that version?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.61,0:08:47.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was no plan to murder the Jews,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.63,0:08:49.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were no gas chambers,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.71,0:08:51.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were no mass shootings,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.59,0:08:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hitler had nothing to do with any\Nsuffering that went on,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.78,0:08:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Jews have made this all up
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.61,0:09:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get money from Germany
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.88,0:09:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to get a state,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.92,0:09:06.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they've done it with the aid\Nand [abetence] of the allies --
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.32,0:09:09.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they've planted the documents\Nand planted the evidence.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.58,0:09:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't let that stand\Nand ever face a survivor ...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.97,0:09:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a child of survivors.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.97,0:09:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't let that stand
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.09,0:09:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and consider myself\Na responsible historian.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.32,0:09:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we fought,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.08,0:09:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for those of you\Nwho haven't seen "Denial,"
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.32,0:09:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spoiler alert --
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.54,0:09:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we won.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.78,0:09:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.10,0:09:35.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.27,0:09:47.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The judge found David Irving to be a liar,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.74,0:09:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a racist,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.76,0:09:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an anti-Semite.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.32,0:09:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His view of history was [tendentious],
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.70,0:09:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he lied, he distorted,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.65,0:09:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and most importantly,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.32,0:09:59.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he did it deliberately.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.45,0:10:01.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We showed a pattern,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.05,0:10:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and over 25 different major instances --
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.56,0:10:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not small things,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.66,0:10:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many of us in the audience write books,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.56,0:10:07.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are writing books --
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.78,0:10:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we always make mistakes,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.32,0:10:11.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's why we're glad\Nto have second editions --
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.41,0:10:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,correct the mistakes.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.48,0:10:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.70,0:10:18.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But these always moved\Nin the same direction:
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.78,0:10:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blame the Jews,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.01,0:10:23.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exonerate the nazis.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.85,0:10:25.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But how did we win?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.38,0:10:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we did is follow his footnotes\Nback to his sources.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.25,0:10:33.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what did we find?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.16,0:10:35.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not in most cases,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.66,0:10:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not in the preponderance of cases,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.48,0:10:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in every single instance
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.22,0:10:41.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where he made some\Nreference to the Holocaust,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.100,0:10:46.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that his supposed evidence was disorted,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.26,0:10:47.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,half-truth,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.71,0:10:49.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,date-changed,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.06,0:10:51.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sequence-changed,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.27,0:10:53.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone put in a meeting\Nwho wasn't there.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.34,0:10:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.36,0:10:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he didn't have the evidence.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.04,0:10:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His evidence didn't prove it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.40,0:11:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We didn't prove what happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.68,0:11:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We proved that what he said happened --
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.32,0:11:05.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and by extension all deniers
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.100,0:11:09.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he either quotes them\Nor they get their arguments from him --
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.81,0:11:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not true.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.08,0:11:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What they claim --
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.29,0:11:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't have the evidence to prove it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.83,0:11:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why is my story more than just\Nthe story of a quirky, long,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.96,0:11:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,six-year difficult lawsuit?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.28,0:11:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,An American professor being dragged\Ninto a court room
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.46,0:11:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a man that the court declared\Nin its judgement
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.52,0:11:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a neo-nazi polemicist.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.75,0:11:37.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What message does it have?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.02,0:11:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think in the context\Nof the question of truth,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.02,0:11:43.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it has a very significant message.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.50,0:11:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because today,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.31,0:11:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we well know,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.00,0:11:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,truth and facts are under assault.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.81,0:11:55.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Social media, for all\Nthe gifts it has given us,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.09,0:11:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has also allowed the difference\Nbetween facts --
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.84,0:12:00.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,established facts --
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.85,0:12:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and lies to be flattened.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.99,0:12:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Third of all,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.81,0:12:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extremism.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.99,0:12:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You made not see Ku Klux Klan robes,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.76,0:12:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may not see burning crosses,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.92,0:12:19.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may not even hear\Noutright white supremacist language.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.21,0:12:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It may go by names, "alt-right,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.29,0:12:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,National Front" --
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.69,0:12:24.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pick you names --
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.09,0:12:29.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but underneath it's that same extremism\Nthat I found in Holocaust denial
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.95,0:12:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,parading as rational discourse.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.36,0:12:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We live in an age where truth\Nis on the defensive.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.60,0:12:43.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm reminded of a New Yorker cartoon.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.11,0:12:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A quiz show recently appeared\Nin the New Yorker
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.56,0:12:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the host of the quiz show\Nis saying to one of the contestants,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.76,0:12:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yes, mam, you had the right answer,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.23,0:12:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but your opponent yelled\Nmore loudly than you did,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.60,0:12:55.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so he gets the point."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.42,0:12:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What can we do?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.66,0:13:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.20,0:13:05.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we cannot be beguiled\Nby rational appearances.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.63,0:13:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got to look underneath,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.42,0:13:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we will find there the extremism.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.02,0:13:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Second of all,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.14,0:13:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we must understand\Nthat truth is not relative.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.14,0:13:22.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Number three --
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.78,0:13:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we must go on the offensive,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.50,0:13:28.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not the defensive.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.88,0:13:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When someone makes an outrageous claim,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.50,0:13:35.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though they may hold\None of the highest offices in the land,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.03,0:13:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if not the world --
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.07,0:13:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we must say to them,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.60,0:13:40.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Where's the proof?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.59,0:13:42.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where's the evidence?"
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.75,0:13:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We must hold their feet to the fire.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.70,0:13:50.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We must not treat it as if their lies\Nare the same as the facts.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.50,0:13:52.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as I said earlier,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.57,0:13:54.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,truth is not relative.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.14,0:13:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many of us have grown up\Nin the world of the academy
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.01,0:13:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and enlightened liberal thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.78,0:14:02.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we're taught everything\Nis open to debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.35,0:14:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's not the case.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.38,0:14:09.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are certain things that are true.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.29,0:14:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are indisputable facts --
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.52,0:14:14.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,objective truths.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.62,0:14:19.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Galileo taught it to us centuries ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.42,0:14:24.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even after being forced\Nto recant by the Vatican
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.23,0:14:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Earth moved around the Sun,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.74,0:14:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he came out,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.78,0:14:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what is he reported to have said?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.30,0:14:34.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"And yet, it still moves."
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.42,0:14:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Earth is not flat.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.33,0:14:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The climate is changing.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.51,0:14:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Elvis is not alive.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.80,0:14:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.36,0:14:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.74,0:14:50.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And most importantly,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.06,0:14:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,truth and fact are under assault.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.38,0:14:57.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The job ahead of us,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.02,0:14:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the task ahead of us,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.24,0:15:01.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the challenge ahead of us is great.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.98,0:15:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The time to fight is short.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.54,0:15:09.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We must act now,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.23,0:15:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,later will be too late.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.44,0:15:14.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.09,0:15:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)