0:00:02.010,0:00:08.046 (Half bell) 0:00:09.506,0:00:24.013 (Bell) 0:00:28.586,0:00:31.344 Dear Thay, dear Sangha... 0:00:31.521,0:00:35.618 my question deals with[br]the first mindfulness practice. 0:00:36.876,0:00:41.797 In the face of extreme violence[br]such as genocide 0:00:42.521,0:00:48.445 is it ever acceptable to respond[br]to violence with action... 0:00:48.845,0:00:51.896 including even violent action? 0:00:53.495,0:00:56.226 I practice national security 0:00:56.483,0:01:00.890 And I think of Churchill or Chamberlain 0:01:01.080,0:01:03.774 with Hitler for instance. 0:01:03.874,0:01:07.478 Or more modern examples [br]of Rwanda... 0:01:08.188,0:01:10.622 or Sudan, 0:01:13.041,0:01:16.409 where maybe compassionate listening[br]with Hitler 0:01:16.540,0:01:20.613 as was done by Chamberlain 0:01:22.218,0:01:25.061 may not have been enough. 0:01:25.516,0:01:28.718 And I struggle with this. 0:01:38.414,0:01:44.712 Dear Thay, our friend is asking[br]about situations of extreme violence 0:01:45.201,0:01:49.186 And she's giving an example[br]in the middle of the 20th century 0:01:49.530,0:01:52.886 when Hitler was causing[br]a great deal of suffering. 0:01:53.369,0:01:56.111 And there was one official in England 0:01:56.147,0:01:59.198 who tried to practice[br]compassionate listening with Hitler 0:01:59.437,0:02:01.927 and it was seen as not successful. 0:02:02.098,0:02:05.553 And actually allowed Hitler[br]to continue to hurt more people. 0:02:05.839,0:02:09.116 And she's asking whether[br]in certain situations 0:02:09.199,0:02:16.213 is it appropriate to use violence[br]to stop violence? 0:02:23.888,0:02:27.903 Non-violent action is not a technique. 0:02:29.983,0:02:36.780 It is a way, not a technique. 0:02:40.590,0:02:47.286 And the foundation of non-violent action[br]is understanding and compassion. 0:02:49.077,0:02:53.754 When you have understanding and compassion[br]in your heart 0:02:53.853,0:02:57.798 everything you do will be non-violent. 0:03:00.653,0:03:04.828 Suppose someone is killing,[br]someone is breaking the law 0:03:05.330,0:03:09.762 and you arrest him and put him in jail. 0:03:11.211,0:03:13.295 Arresting him[br]and putting him in jail... 0:03:13.373,0:03:16.441 is that violent or non-violent? 0:03:16.531,0:03:18.879 It depends... 0:03:21.579,0:03:23.569 on the situation. 0:03:24.308,0:03:27.313 If you arrest that person,[br]if you lock him up 0:03:28.984,0:03:34.758 and yet you do it[br]because of understanding and compassion, 0:03:34.840,0:03:38.909 then that is non-violent action. 0:03:42.332,0:03:46.646 And even if you don't do anything, 0:03:46.746,0:03:49.020 but you allow... 0:03:49.210,0:03:58.946 you allow the people[br]to kill and to destroy, 0:03:59.421,0:04:04.682 Although you don't do anything,[br]that is also violence. 0:04:05.885,0:04:12.536 Violence can be action or non-action. 0:04:15.707,0:04:21.797 So the outer appearance might be violent,[br] 0:04:23.079,0:04:30.627 but if you do it with a mind[br]of understanding and compassion 0:04:30.785,0:04:36.258 it is not truly violence. 0:04:37.043,0:04:43.489 Suppose a horse suffers very much[br]and is about to die, but cannot die. 0:04:44.388,0:04:50.788 And you give her a death blow[br]so that she can die, 0:04:50.978,0:04:55.724 it looks like violence,[br]but it comes from your compassion. 0:04:55.848,0:05:00.842 You don't want the horse [br]to continue to suffer for too long. 0:05:00.981,0:05:03.837 So that image tells you 0:05:03.975,0:05:08.392 that whether the action is [br]violent or non-violent, 0:05:08.527,0:05:11.035 it depends on your heart. 0:05:11.164,0:05:16.335 If you have the willingness[br]to reduce suffering, 0:05:16.479,0:05:25.715 if you understand why a person[br]has done such a thing violently, 0:05:26.218,0:05:33.762 so then even if you lock him up and[br]deprive him of a few days' food 0:05:33.870,0:05:36.192 that is still non-violent. 0:05:36.329,0:05:41.151 Because depriving someone[br]for a few days of food 0:05:41.268,0:05:43.017 in order to help him to know 0:05:43.064,0:05:49.386 that having something to eat[br]is something very great, 0:05:49.521,0:05:53.009 to give him that kind of insight. 0:05:53.123,0:05:59.359 That does not come [br]from your willingness to punish, 0:05:59.486,0:06:02.324 but to help him to learn and appreciate. 0:06:02.434,0:06:06.792 That is non-violence. 0:06:07.722,0:06:11.680 So we should not wait [br]until the situation presents itself 0:06:11.827,0:06:16.897 to decide whether we should react[br]with violence or non-violence. 0:06:17.020,0:06:19.946 We have to begin right now. 0:06:20.078,0:06:23.461 And when the situation presents itself, 0:06:23.561,0:06:27.657 we will be able to act with compassion... 0:06:27.767,0:06:31.563 that means with non-violence. 0:06:39.723,0:06:46.016 And non-violent action should... 0:06:47.426,0:06:50.479 it should be... 0:06:50.599,0:06:57.542 conceived as a long-term action. 0:06:58.343,0:07:02.468 When you teach your child, 0:07:02.602,0:07:07.078 when you tell your child how to act, 0:07:07.207,0:07:12.914 you are engaging in non-violent action. 0:07:13.176,0:07:17.748 You don't wait until [br]the child becomes cruel 0:07:17.856,0:07:22.510 and begins to destroy or to kill[br]before you teach them. 0:07:22.639,0:07:28.468 You have to use preventative measures. 0:07:28.612,0:07:30.813 So in the realm of education, 0:07:30.913,0:07:33.648 in the realm of agriculture, 0:07:33.748,0:07:36.853 in the realm of art, 0:07:37.723,0:07:42.500 you can introduce... 0:07:42.630,0:07:47.997 non-violent thinking[br]and non-violent action 0:07:48.127,0:07:56.086 and teach people to remove discrimination. 0:07:56.219,0:08:01.818 That is the basic action of non-violence, 0:08:02.098,0:08:06.922 because violence comes[br]from discrimination, from separation, 0:08:10.696,0:08:13.811 from hate, from fear, from anger. 0:08:14.265,0:08:17.121 So helping people to transform[br]these things 0:08:18.281,0:08:24.162 before they are translated into action. 0:08:24.801,0:08:27.563 That is true non-violent action. 0:08:28.076,0:08:29.879 It should begin right now 0:08:30.240,0:08:32.376 and we should not wait [br]for something to happen 0:08:32.515,0:08:37.123 in order to think whether we should act[br]violently or non-violently. 0:08:38.350,0:08:46.140 And I think non-violence can never be... 0:08:46.910,0:08:54.060 completely absolute. 0:08:55.841,0:09:03.446 We can say that we should be[br]as non-violent as we can. 0:09:07.676,0:09:10.100 When we think of the military, 0:09:10.336,0:09:16.235 we think that the things [br]that the military do are only violent. 0:09:16.861,0:09:23.060 But to conduct an army, 0:09:23.540,0:09:28.060 to protect a town, 0:09:28.800,0:09:36.234 to stop an invasion by a foreign army, 0:09:37.225,0:09:39.096 there are many ways to do it. 0:09:39.259,0:09:41.473 And there are more violent ways, 0:09:41.641,0:09:43.598 and there are less violent ways. 0:09:43.778,0:09:46.950 You can always choose. 0:09:51.600,0:09:56.311 Maybe it is not possible[br]to do it 100% non-violent, 0:09:56.896,0:10:07.654 but 80% non-violent is better[br]than 10% non-violent! 0:10:08.703,0:10:12.746 See? So don't ask for an absolute. 0:10:13.844,0:10:17.659 That is the way we practice[br]the Five Mindfulness Trainings. 0:10:18.139,0:10:21.036 You cannot be perfect in the practice. 0:10:22.475,0:10:25.231 Do not worry [br]that you will not be perfect. 0:10:25.672,0:10:29.990 In observing [br]the Fourteen or the Five precepts, 0:10:31.300,0:10:36.275 what is important[br]is that you are determined to go that way. 0:10:38.713,0:10:42.313 You do your best,[br]that is what we need. 0:10:42.680,0:10:47.400 It's like in the forest -[br]you get lost in the forest at night, 0:10:47.641,0:10:50.795 and you don't know how to get out. 0:10:51.069,0:10:55.322 And you have to look at the Northern Star[br]in order to find your way. 0:10:55.706,0:10:57.513 And if you go north, 0:10:57.779,0:11:00.931 that does not mean you want to arrive[br]at the Northern Star. 0:11:01.166,0:11:04.260 You don't need to arrive,[br]you only need to go north. 0:11:04.774,0:11:06.736 (Laughter) 0:11:06.947,0:11:09.545 So the Five Trainings are like that. 0:11:09.766,0:11:13.860 You should go in the direction[br]of understanding and compassion. 0:11:14.122,0:11:16.701 You don't have to be perfect. 0:11:16.898,0:11:20.758 If you know that you are doing your best,[br]that is good enough for the Sangha, 0:11:21.002,0:11:24.168 good enough for the Buddha. 0:11:25.700,0:11:28.207 So non-violence is the same. 0:11:28.480,0:11:30.990 We have to do our best. 0:11:33.845,0:11:35.623 Thank you. 0:11:36.840,0:11:40.130 (Half bell) 0:11:41.640,0:12:13.960 (Bell)