WEBVTT 00:00:07.880 --> 00:00:12.280 [Glenn Ligon: Layers of Meaning] 00:00:14.300 --> 00:00:16.180 There's lots of levels 00:00:16.180 --> 00:00:19.490 on which my paintings can be approached. 00:00:19.490 --> 00:00:21.429 One can approach it as simply 00:00:21.429 --> 00:00:23.619 an object that has a certain kind of 00:00:23.619 --> 00:00:24.839 beauty. 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:27.820 One can approach it as 00:00:28.940 --> 00:00:31.040 and object that has a text in it 00:00:31.040 --> 00:00:34.540 that has different levels of legibility. 00:00:38.360 --> 00:00:40.100 If one knows James Baldwin 00:00:40.100 --> 00:00:43.350 and realizes that the text in my painting 00:00:43.350 --> 00:00:45.870 is from an essay that he's written, 00:00:45.870 --> 00:00:48.469 then that opens up the painting-- 00:00:48.469 --> 00:00:51.889 gives it a different level of meaning. 00:00:54.900 --> 00:00:58.060 The paintings that address 00:00:58.800 --> 00:01:00.019 "The Million Man March" 00:01:00.019 --> 00:01:03.119 were made in the mid-90's, 00:01:03.120 --> 00:01:06.460 a couple of years after Louis Farrakhan, 00:01:06.460 --> 00:01:08.280 the leader of the nation of Islam, 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:09.860 organized a march 00:01:09.860 --> 00:01:12.460 on The Mall in Washington D.C. 00:01:12.460 --> 00:01:15.710 about the visibility and presence 00:01:15.710 --> 00:01:18.390 of black men in the country, 00:01:18.390 --> 00:01:20.200 which I find rather ironic, 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:22.030 since black people have been in this country 00:01:22.030 --> 00:01:23.810 since the beginning, 00:01:23.810 --> 00:01:26.869 before there was even a country. 00:01:26.869 --> 00:01:29.430 But we feel the need to assert 00:01:29.430 --> 00:01:30.229 our personhood. 00:01:35.140 --> 00:01:37.180 The irony of this march, perhaps, 00:01:37.180 --> 00:01:40.409 was that black women were encouraged 00:01:40.409 --> 00:01:43.860 to absent themselves from work, 00:01:43.860 --> 00:01:45.759 but not to attend the march 00:01:45.759 --> 00:01:48.740 as full participants. 00:01:48.740 --> 00:01:51.630 When I started to think about making 00:01:51.630 --> 00:01:54.479 silkscreen paintings using images of the march, 00:01:54.479 --> 00:01:57.100 this kind of notion of absence 00:01:57.100 --> 00:01:59.130 or disappearance with women 00:01:59.130 --> 00:02:01.070 was something I was interested in 00:02:01.070 --> 00:02:03.700 and something I tried to find 00:02:03.700 --> 00:02:06.740 in the images themselves. 00:02:08.729 --> 00:02:10.038 Like any artwork, 00:02:10.038 --> 00:02:12.720 things become richer if you know more about them; 00:02:12.720 --> 00:02:15.459 but I don't think that's crucial. 00:02:15.459 --> 00:02:16.660 Someone can walk into a museum 00:02:16.660 --> 00:02:19.120 and not know a single thing about 00:02:19.900 --> 00:02:21.400 a Jackson Pollock painting 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.030 and still have a reaction to it-- 00:02:24.030 --> 00:02:26.480 still get something from it. 00:02:26.480 --> 00:02:27.819 The thing that they get from it 00:02:27.819 --> 00:02:30.769 may be richer if they know more about it, 00:02:30.769 --> 00:02:33.370 but that's like anything. [LAUGHS] 00:02:33.370 --> 00:02:37.990 You know? That's about being in the world.