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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:05.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Introduzione) Sotto l'informazione:\NAdrien Delgrange
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.85,0:00:06.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.94,0:00:10.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(AD) Distinguere il vero dal falso,\Ntutte le settimane su RFI.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.74,0:00:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Benvenuti a\N"Sotto l'informazione"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.98,0:00:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,che vede all'ordine \Ndi questo 25 febbraio
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.16,0:00:20.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RFI - informazione e \Ndisinformazione in tempi di guerra.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.10,0:00:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dopo l'invasione militare dell'Ucraina\Nda parte della Russia nelle ultime 48 ore,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.66,0:00:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,parleremo del ruolo cruciale\Ndella disinformazione
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.30,0:00:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nella propaganda russa, una così detta \Narma di soft power,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.44,0:00:37.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,utilizzata da diversi anni dal Cremlino\Nper plasmare l'opinione pubblica russa.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.79,0:00:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In questo contesto rifletteremo\Nanche sul lavoro
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.82,0:00:43.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dei giornalisti indipendenti in Russia.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.96,0:00:46.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Questi gli argomenti in sintesi;\Nbenvenuti.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.32,0:00:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sotto l'informazione, diretto\Nda Claude Battista.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.90,0:00:53.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Musica
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.90,0:00:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(AD) Sotto l'informazione oggi\Nsi focalizza su ciò che accade in Ucraina
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.94,0:01:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dopo l'invasione russa e a tal proposito\Naccogliamo Sophie Malibeaux; buonasera!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.14,0:01:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(SM) Buonasera.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.99,0:01:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,e Grégory Genevrier:buonasera!\N(GG)Buonasera.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.10,0:01:07.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(AD) Mentre le truppe russe\Navanzano sul territorio,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.79,0:01:10.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,la disinformazione gioca un ruolo \Nimportante nel conflitto.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.14,0:01:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mosca, che ha usato quest'arma\Nin aggiunta alla difesa militare
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.80,0:01:20.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- e oggi ci spiegate la\Nstrategia informativa russa --
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.53,0:01:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sophie Malibeaux, qual'è \Nil metodo Putin?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.60,0:01:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(SM)Beh, in queste ultime settimane\Nsi è visto come il presidente russo
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.25,0:01:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,si sia impegnato a invertire i ruoli \Nfacendo passare aggredito per aggressore.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.97,0:01:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nei suoi ultimi comunicati,\NVladimir Putin si presenta
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.90,0:01:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come liberatore dell'Ucraina\Ne non solamente
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.46,0:01:41.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delle province separatiste del Donbass,\Nsoprattutto quando questo mercoledì
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.15,0:01:45.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ha confermato la volontà "di proteggere\Nil popolo che soffre" secondo lui
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.90,0:01:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"di abusi e genocidio causati\Ndal regime di Kiev."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.20,0:01:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Allora, senza negare l'importanza delle\Nvittime del conflitte nell'Est Ucraina,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.12,0:01:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,la narrativa del genocidio non si basa\Nsu alcuna prova:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.00,0:02:00.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,e neppure l'idea di una giunta\Nalla guida dell'Ucraina,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.26,0:02:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come menzionato dall'ambasciatore\Nrusso all'ONU,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.56,0:02:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,visto che il presidente ucraino \NVolodymyr Zelenskyy
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.02,0:02:10.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,è stato eletto democraticamente,\Nsenza l'ombra di un colpo di Stato.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.69,0:02:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,E poi, quando Vladimir Putin evoca\Nla "denazificazione" dell'Ucraina,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.84,0:02:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,si ritorna ad un registro che non ha\Nniente a che vedere con la realtà.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.09,0:02:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Che in Ucraina ci possano essere\Ndei gruppi estremisti
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.92,0:02:25.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come nel resto d'Europa,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.10,0:02:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,non vuol dire che ne sia soggiogata,\Nè tutta un'invenzione.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.96,0:02:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(AD)Grégory Genevrier, per sostenere\Nla tesi
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.76,0:02:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,di una Russia aggredita dall'Ucraina,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.60,0:02:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,circolano molte informazioni \Nanche sui canali social.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.96,0:02:42.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(GG) Sì, ci sono per esempio i così \Ndetti attacchi sotto falsa bandiera;
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.78,0:02:45.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in questo caso sono video\Ndiffusi sui canali social
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.22,0:02:47.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,che mostrano le violenze\Nperpetrate dagli ucraini,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.66,0:02:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ma che in realtà sono \Ndelle messe in scena:
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.02,0:02:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ad esempio il video dove si vedono \Nmilitari avanzare sul terreno
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.50,0:02:57.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,con i blindati: la didascalia li indica\Ncome soldati ucraini
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.05,0:02:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,che sono illegalmente \Nsul territorio russo
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.81,0:03:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,non lontano da Mitiatinskaya\Nma in realtà la scena si svolge
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.02,0:03:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,180 km più a sud,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.74,0:03:09.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vale a dire una zona controllata\Ndai separatisti filo-russi; inoltre
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.47,0:03:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,il veicolo utilizzato non corrisponde\Na quelli dell'esercito ucraino;
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.84,0:03:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fatti riportati grazie alle ricerche\Ndi esperti open source,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.10,0:03:18.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come il collettivo Bellingcat.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.07,0:03:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,E questa disinformazione a volte è\Nancora più grossolana:
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.92,0:03:22.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,un altro video mostra la carcassa
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.71,0:03:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,di un veicolo civile apparentemente
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.50,0:03:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distrutto da un ingegno\Nesplosivo ucraino.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.22,0:03:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All'interno del veicolo ci sono \Ndei resti umani
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.30,0:03:30.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,e un cranio perfettamente\Ntagliato in due
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.97,0:03:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prova che secondo gli esperti \Nsi tratti di un corpo
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.74,0:03:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,precedentemente sottoposto \Nad autopsia
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.32,0:03:38.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,e non di una vittima recente.\N(AD) Allora, tutte queste informazioni le ritroviamo o no
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.55,0:03:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nei media russi, Sophie?\N(SM) Ebbene sì, si ritrova in ogni caso il racconto
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.98,0:03:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,veicolato\Nda questi video
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.28,0:03:47.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,truccati, è ripreso dai media ufficiali
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.09,0:03:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come l'agenzia TASS, i media russi,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.54,0:03:52.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,soprattutto Sputnik e RT.\NTutti partecipano
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.69,0:03:55.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ad una stessa narrativa.\NLa polizia postale russa precisa inoltre:
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.34,0:03:58.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I media sono tenuti ad utilizzare\Nle informazioni
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.73,0:03:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,che ricevono
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.79,0:04:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unicamente dalle fonti ufficiali russe."\NChiuse le virgolette. Non c'è spazio
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.40,0:04:06.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,per un racconto indipendente,\Ntutto è bloccato.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.83,0:04:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Si assiste ad uno sversamento
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.42,0:04:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,di informazioni a volte difficili da verificare\Ne il contesto di sicurezza
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.38,0:04:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rende questo lavoro \Nsempre più difficile sul territorio, ed è
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.88,0:04:19.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nel mezzo di questa foschia informativa
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.09,0:04:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,che scemano le informazioni.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.68,0:04:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(AD) E infine Grégory, qual'è l'obiettivo\Ndi questa disinformazione massiccia?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.98,0:04:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(GG)Ebbene, l'obiettivo è convincere\Nl'opinione pubblica russa della fondatezza
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.77,0:04:30.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,di questa invasione. Ciò nonostante giovedì\Nsi sono tenute diverse manifestazioni
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.10,0:04:35.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Russia per opporsi alla guerra,\Ncausando numerosi arresti. (AD) Sotto l'informazione
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.11,0:04:49.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,la cronaca firmata oggi da\NSophie Malibeaux, Grégory Genevrier: \Nalla prossima settimana.
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