1 00:00:12,908 --> 00:00:14,958 My name is Leslie Carr. 2 00:00:14,958 --> 00:00:18,080 I'm a registered clinical psychologist in private practice, 3 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:21,301 and I'm here today to talk to you about therapy. 4 00:00:22,761 --> 00:00:25,671 I really love what I do for a living. 5 00:00:25,671 --> 00:00:28,160 It's truly what gets me out of bed in the morning. 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,389 But I have a dilemma in my work, which is that, from my vantage point, 7 00:00:32,389 --> 00:00:35,570 it seems that therapy isn't very well understood. 8 00:00:35,580 --> 00:00:38,270 Even though I think we've come a long way in this regard, 9 00:00:38,270 --> 00:00:41,820 there's still a fair amount of stigma that surrounds psychotherapy. 10 00:00:41,820 --> 00:00:43,480 And even more signficantly, 11 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:46,290 it seems to me there are many misconceptions about it 12 00:00:46,290 --> 00:00:50,010 and that it is something that is generally mysterious to most people. 13 00:00:51,610 --> 00:00:55,431 It seems to me that these misconceptions keep many people from trying therapy 14 00:00:55,431 --> 00:00:57,909 even if it would benefit them, 15 00:00:57,909 --> 00:01:00,749 which is a travesty, to me. 16 00:01:00,749 --> 00:01:03,140 So, I really see it as my mission 17 00:01:03,140 --> 00:01:07,759 to increase our collective understanding of what therapy is and how it works 18 00:01:07,759 --> 00:01:11,051 so that we can start to change the way the world looks at it. 19 00:01:11,681 --> 00:01:16,131 Now, first of all, I should explain that the kind of therapy that I practice 20 00:01:16,131 --> 00:01:18,730 and the kind that I am going to talk to you about today 21 00:01:18,730 --> 00:01:20,841 is the kind that is traditionally referred to 22 00:01:20,841 --> 00:01:24,621 as psychodynamic or psychoanalytic psychotherapy. 23 00:01:24,621 --> 00:01:26,359 I know that it can be confusing 24 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:29,944 because there are a lot of different kinds of therapy out there these days, 25 00:01:29,944 --> 00:01:31,390 but what I'm talking about 26 00:01:31,390 --> 00:01:34,510 is what I'll refer to as the "old-school" kind of therapy; 27 00:01:35,290 --> 00:01:37,510 the classic kind, where you talk 28 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:42,103 and another person listens and asks questions and reflects. 29 00:01:42,493 --> 00:01:45,921 It's something called insight-oriented therapy, 30 00:01:45,921 --> 00:01:49,962 and I think that in many ways it's gotten a bad rap in recent years. 31 00:01:51,322 --> 00:01:55,041 One of the single biggest misconceptions about this kind of therapy 32 00:01:55,041 --> 00:01:58,651 is that there's no scientific evidence that it works, 33 00:01:58,651 --> 00:02:01,221 which is actually not true. 34 00:02:01,651 --> 00:02:05,042 Research in this field has demonstrated, not only that it works, 35 00:02:05,042 --> 00:02:07,372 but that it works really well. 36 00:02:07,372 --> 00:02:09,481 So, I'm going to dig into this a little bit. 37 00:02:09,481 --> 00:02:13,002 Now, my talk today is not going to be super data heavy, 38 00:02:13,002 --> 00:02:15,445 but this stuff is actually really interesting, 39 00:02:15,445 --> 00:02:18,432 so if you don't mind, I'm going to run some numbers by you. 40 00:02:20,402 --> 00:02:22,791 For those of you who speak research - 41 00:02:22,791 --> 00:02:25,903 and if you don't, don't worry, I'll come back to you - 42 00:02:25,903 --> 00:02:30,122 a meta-analysis of 23 randomized control trials 43 00:02:30,122 --> 00:02:36,552 found an effect size of .97 for overall psychiatric improvement 44 00:02:36,552 --> 00:02:43,151 and 1.51 for follow-up studies conducted nine months after the therapy ended. 45 00:02:43,741 --> 00:02:47,943 This study is one example of hundreds that have been conducted in this area. 46 00:02:47,943 --> 00:02:50,202 For those of you who don't speak research, 47 00:02:50,202 --> 00:02:56,533 effect size is the statistical measurement of how much something works. 48 00:02:56,903 --> 00:03:01,143 An effect size of .2 is considered small, 49 00:03:01,323 --> 00:03:04,663 .5 is considered moderate, 50 00:03:04,923 --> 00:03:08,943 and a large effect size is .8 or above. 51 00:03:09,333 --> 00:03:11,593 So, to give you a frame of reference, 52 00:03:11,593 --> 00:03:19,053 the effect size for Prozac, according to studies conducted by the FDA, is .26. 53 00:03:20,453 --> 00:03:23,613 I'll just let that sink in. 54 00:03:24,243 --> 00:03:25,702 Because these numbers - 55 00:03:25,702 --> 00:03:30,112 .97 for overall improvement and 1.51 at follow-up - 56 00:03:30,112 --> 00:03:34,164 are really off the charts, actually; it's pretty astounding. 57 00:03:34,914 --> 00:03:36,532 Part of what that also means 58 00:03:36,532 --> 00:03:41,094 is that people continue to benefit from therapy even after they stop going - 59 00:03:41,094 --> 00:03:43,601 which is pretty cool. 60 00:03:44,591 --> 00:03:46,396 Now this kind of therapy helps people 61 00:03:46,396 --> 00:03:51,044 who are experiencing psychiatric symptoms or are suffering in some way, of course - 62 00:03:51,044 --> 00:03:53,175 I do want to make that clear - 63 00:03:53,175 --> 00:03:56,132 but it also helps people in the name of personal growth, 64 00:03:56,132 --> 00:03:58,985 and it works according to the same principles. 65 00:03:59,445 --> 00:04:03,335 It helps us to gain insight into how we relate to people, 66 00:04:03,335 --> 00:04:06,905 to identify and change recurring patterns. 67 00:04:06,905 --> 00:04:11,104 It increases our consciousness and improves our decision making. 68 00:04:11,104 --> 00:04:15,350 And we reap all these benefits whether we have a mental illness or not. 69 00:04:17,783 --> 00:04:19,144 Excuse me. 70 00:04:23,644 --> 00:04:26,584 So, let me tell you a little bit about me. 71 00:04:27,124 --> 00:04:28,754 I chose to become a therapist 72 00:04:28,754 --> 00:04:34,726 because I was once, many times in fact, a therapy patient myself. 73 00:04:35,886 --> 00:04:37,644 I was blessed to grow up in a family 74 00:04:37,644 --> 00:04:40,895 that valued therapy and that didn't buy into the stigma. 75 00:04:40,895 --> 00:04:43,396 So, when we encountered challenges in my childhood, 76 00:04:43,396 --> 00:04:46,486 namely, the potentially terminal illness of a family member, 77 00:04:46,486 --> 00:04:50,215 my parents did what they thought was best, and they sent me to see a therapist, 78 00:04:50,215 --> 00:04:52,435 for the first time when I was ten years old. 79 00:04:53,435 --> 00:04:56,516 I think they made that decision largely out of being proactive, 80 00:04:56,516 --> 00:04:58,896 but it was also really clear that I was struggling, 81 00:04:58,896 --> 00:05:02,466 and most of that was manifesting in my experiences at school. 82 00:05:03,476 --> 00:05:05,175 My grades were slipping; 83 00:05:05,175 --> 00:05:07,884 my teachers were reporting that I seemed distracted. 84 00:05:08,514 --> 00:05:11,866 The anxiety and sadness that I felt about what was going on at home 85 00:05:11,866 --> 00:05:14,117 was making it hard for me to pay attention, 86 00:05:14,117 --> 00:05:16,487 and I was falling behind my peers. 87 00:05:18,287 --> 00:05:21,375 Now, I have to tell you that I consider that, to this day - 88 00:05:21,375 --> 00:05:24,228 the decision that my parents made to send me to a therapist - 89 00:05:24,228 --> 00:05:27,137 as being one of the best things that has ever happened to me. 90 00:05:27,137 --> 00:05:28,187 I really do. 91 00:05:28,187 --> 00:05:31,525 I liked it so much that it made me want to become a therapist myself. 92 00:05:31,525 --> 00:05:33,596 So, clearly I got a lot out of it. 93 00:05:33,596 --> 00:05:38,548 But I also have to admit that I really didn't want to go, at first. 94 00:05:39,348 --> 00:05:42,126 It would be hard to say what I was so afraid of, exactly, 95 00:05:42,126 --> 00:05:46,027 because I was so young at the time, but I was terrified. 96 00:05:46,027 --> 00:05:50,756 And I literally, at first, refused to even go into the woman's office. 97 00:05:51,106 --> 00:05:54,217 We spent the first two or three sessions in the waiting room. 98 00:05:54,217 --> 00:05:57,106 And that was what therapy was for me at first, 99 00:05:57,106 --> 00:06:01,377 just trying to get comfortable enough to go into the woman's office. 100 00:06:02,117 --> 00:06:07,317 And the funny thing about that, for me, is that having had those early experiences 101 00:06:07,317 --> 00:06:12,836 really removed any sense of stigma from therapy, for me, 102 00:06:12,836 --> 00:06:15,346 but I also clearly would be lying through my teeth 103 00:06:15,346 --> 00:06:18,878 if I were to say that I don't know what it's like to be afraid at first, 104 00:06:18,878 --> 00:06:20,638 to give it a try. 105 00:06:21,488 --> 00:06:24,647 Now, I know that it's different with adults from children - 106 00:06:24,647 --> 00:06:26,787 after all, I only work with adults 107 00:06:26,787 --> 00:06:30,508 so my only point of reference for child therapy is my own - 108 00:06:30,508 --> 00:06:35,057 but I do think, on a fundamental level, the feeling is the same. 109 00:06:35,227 --> 00:06:38,497 And I think it really just has to do with fear of the unknown. 110 00:06:39,387 --> 00:06:42,527 I just didn't know what that lady was going to do to me. 111 00:06:42,527 --> 00:06:46,508 I felt like she had some magical power and I didn't know what it was, 112 00:06:46,508 --> 00:06:49,398 but I felt like she was going to get in my head or something, 113 00:06:49,398 --> 00:06:51,658 and it just kind of freaked me out. 114 00:06:53,288 --> 00:06:58,508 And it reminds me of how sometimes - today, now that I am a therapist myself - 115 00:06:58,518 --> 00:07:00,667 I'll get this feedback from people sometimes, 116 00:07:00,667 --> 00:07:03,847 that they think I can read their minds or something. 117 00:07:03,847 --> 00:07:08,228 And it always makes me laugh a little bit because that's not how it works. 118 00:07:08,228 --> 00:07:11,148 But I suppose on some level, I can identify 119 00:07:11,148 --> 00:07:15,119 because I have a vague recollection of having felt that way myself. 120 00:07:16,339 --> 00:07:18,699 I do think that for many people 121 00:07:18,699 --> 00:07:22,018 there's a lot of fear of the unknown about therapy. 122 00:07:22,018 --> 00:07:24,778 You might consider giving it a try, 123 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:28,138 but we avoid it just because we don't know what it's going to be like. 124 00:07:29,778 --> 00:07:32,860 I think there's also some fear and trepidation that comes up 125 00:07:32,860 --> 00:07:37,310 around sharing our thoughts and feelings and vulnerabilities with a stranger 126 00:07:37,310 --> 00:07:42,010 and perhaps some concern that we are going to be judged for what we reveal. 127 00:07:42,010 --> 00:07:44,489 I think that's a really natural concern. 128 00:07:44,489 --> 00:07:48,658 Honestly, I think it's very common and very human. 129 00:07:48,658 --> 00:07:51,888 I personally don't think there's any room for judgment in therapy, 130 00:07:51,888 --> 00:07:55,630 and I know that's a sentiment I share with many of my colleagues, 131 00:07:55,630 --> 00:07:57,399 but nonetheless, I always recommend 132 00:07:57,399 --> 00:08:01,369 that people treat first therapy sessions like interviews of sorts. 133 00:08:01,369 --> 00:08:04,850 Because a lot of the fear that comes up around unloading to a stranger 134 00:08:04,850 --> 00:08:09,929 goes away once we establish a connection with a real flesh and blood human being. 135 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:14,090 And this brings me to something really significant 136 00:08:14,090 --> 00:08:17,060 that I want to make sure that I impart to you today, 137 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,139 which is how vitally important it is 138 00:08:20,139 --> 00:08:24,669 to really be discerning about the therapist you choose to work with. 139 00:08:25,699 --> 00:08:29,010 This could be a whole separate talk, in and of itself, 140 00:08:29,380 --> 00:08:34,919 but the single most important factor in any effective therapy 141 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:36,861 has to do with the relationship 142 00:08:36,861 --> 00:08:41,679 that's built between therapist and patient or client. 143 00:08:42,610 --> 00:08:44,090 The relationship of the therapy 144 00:08:44,090 --> 00:08:47,030 is actually what accounts for most of the change that occurs - 145 00:08:47,030 --> 00:08:48,960 it's a complex process. 146 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,130 But studies show us again and again 147 00:08:52,130 --> 00:08:56,953 that it is the single most important ingredient in therapy - the relationship. 148 00:08:56,953 --> 00:09:00,060 So, I really want to empower you to be discriminating. 149 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,272 If you're wondering how to pick the right therapist, 150 00:09:04,272 --> 00:09:06,908 it's really just about trusting your gut. 151 00:09:06,908 --> 00:09:10,730 Because the most important thing is that you find the person who's right for you. 152 00:09:11,650 --> 00:09:15,277 But if you tried therapy in the past and you've had a bad experience, 153 00:09:15,477 --> 00:09:18,242 please know it can be better the second time around 154 00:09:18,242 --> 00:09:20,698 if you find the right person. 155 00:09:22,898 --> 00:09:27,621 Now, I do have a reason why I think that we should all see a therapist 156 00:09:27,621 --> 00:09:29,907 at least once in our lives. 157 00:09:29,907 --> 00:09:33,831 And my hope is that hearing this will spark a little curiosity in you 158 00:09:33,831 --> 00:09:36,932 and perhaps help you to look at yourself and the world around you 159 00:09:36,932 --> 00:09:39,271 just a little bit differently. 160 00:09:40,181 --> 00:09:43,801 It certainly isn't the end-all be-all to what people get out of therapy, 161 00:09:44,351 --> 00:09:45,652 but it's fascinating to me 162 00:09:45,652 --> 00:09:48,670 because it is something that applies to all of us. 163 00:09:50,250 --> 00:09:52,708 I think that most of us have a sense of appreciation 164 00:09:52,708 --> 00:09:56,253 for how our life experiences can impact our emotional lives, 165 00:09:56,253 --> 00:09:59,293 but I want to suggest a subtle shift here, 166 00:09:59,613 --> 00:10:03,582 that our life experiences shape not just our emotional lives 167 00:10:04,382 --> 00:10:08,133 but our very understanding of what reality is. 168 00:10:09,473 --> 00:10:12,791 Different branches of psychology have different names for this - 169 00:10:12,791 --> 00:10:18,303 schemas, relational templates, scripts - but regardless of what we call it, 170 00:10:18,303 --> 00:10:21,151 what it means is that our early childhood experiences 171 00:10:21,151 --> 00:10:24,483 create our understanding of how the world works. 172 00:10:25,103 --> 00:10:28,091 In fact, all of our experiences throughout life do - 173 00:10:28,091 --> 00:10:30,301 these relational templates, as I'll call them - 174 00:10:30,301 --> 00:10:32,818 are always shifting, at least slightly. 175 00:10:32,818 --> 00:10:35,551 But this is particularly salient when we are children 176 00:10:35,551 --> 00:10:39,553 because when we're young, we don't have a sense of what's normal or abnormal. 177 00:10:39,553 --> 00:10:43,162 There's no objective standard that we can compare our lives to, 178 00:10:43,162 --> 00:10:46,802 and children's brains are like sponges. 179 00:10:47,582 --> 00:10:51,593 So every early experience that we have when we are children 180 00:10:51,593 --> 00:10:54,263 works to create this internal script 181 00:10:54,263 --> 00:10:59,723 of how we think the world works and how we expect people to respond to us. 182 00:11:00,283 --> 00:11:02,123 Part of why this happens - 183 00:11:02,123 --> 00:11:05,512 this might help in your understanding of what I'm talking about here - 184 00:11:05,512 --> 00:11:08,774 has to do with how we learn as humans. 185 00:11:08,774 --> 00:11:11,974 To use a very basic, but kind of funny, example: 186 00:11:11,974 --> 00:11:14,243 If every time you got behind the wheel of a car 187 00:11:14,243 --> 00:11:19,114 you had to learn to drive all over again, it would be hard to get by in the world. 188 00:11:19,114 --> 00:11:21,023 Right? But, no. 189 00:11:21,023 --> 00:11:23,654 You get behind the wheel, and you expect, 190 00:11:23,654 --> 00:11:27,134 assuming that the ignition is turned on and that the car is in gear, 191 00:11:27,134 --> 00:11:30,763 that if you put your foot on the gas pedal, the car will go forward; 192 00:11:30,763 --> 00:11:34,433 or backward, depending on which way you are headed. 193 00:11:34,433 --> 00:11:37,184 But you make that assumption because your past experiences 194 00:11:37,184 --> 00:11:40,992 dictate your expectations of how the world will work in the future. 195 00:11:42,132 --> 00:11:45,745 The tricky part is what happens when we apply this theory of learning 196 00:11:45,745 --> 00:11:49,074 to our emotional lives or to human relationships. 197 00:11:50,164 --> 00:11:54,404 To give you an example that I think will resonate easily for everybody: 198 00:11:54,404 --> 00:11:58,114 If we take a child - let's call him Joe - 199 00:11:58,114 --> 00:12:01,785 and raise him in a combative, hostile environment - 200 00:12:01,785 --> 00:12:04,764 imagine that he is physically and emotionally abused - 201 00:12:04,764 --> 00:12:07,953 he's likely to grow up with an unconscious expectation of the world 202 00:12:07,953 --> 00:12:10,375 as a violent, angry place, 203 00:12:10,375 --> 00:12:13,876 and that he needs to be aggressive to get by in it. 204 00:12:14,716 --> 00:12:16,095 The problem here 205 00:12:16,095 --> 00:12:19,964 is that because Joe's expectations are that people aren't trustworthy, 206 00:12:20,534 --> 00:12:24,494 because the psychological world that he lives in is an aggressive one, 207 00:12:24,934 --> 00:12:29,115 he's probably going to operate in a manner that is generally combative. 208 00:12:29,935 --> 00:12:30,935 And you can bet 209 00:12:30,935 --> 00:12:35,035 that if his manner of being in the world is generally combative, 210 00:12:35,035 --> 00:12:38,524 that most people are going to treat him with a fair amount of hostility. 211 00:12:39,415 --> 00:12:41,205 And so it goes. 212 00:12:41,205 --> 00:12:44,946 Joe's unconscious expectations of how the world works have been confirmed. 213 00:12:45,366 --> 00:12:48,625 This is the essence of self-fulfilling prophecies. 214 00:12:49,905 --> 00:12:54,195 Now, the slightly dramatized example is probably easy to imagine for everybody, 215 00:12:54,195 --> 00:12:56,275 but what might be more surprising 216 00:12:56,275 --> 00:13:02,595 is that some version of this is also how all of us learn to function in the world. 217 00:13:03,245 --> 00:13:06,448 We all think that we see the world very clearly, 218 00:13:06,448 --> 00:13:09,686 despite the fact that we are looking at it through specific lenses 219 00:13:09,686 --> 00:13:10,815 which have been created 220 00:13:10,815 --> 00:13:14,855 by all of the experiences that we've had in our lives, to date. 221 00:13:16,235 --> 00:13:20,827 The unconscious beliefs and expectations we have about life can be very subtle. 222 00:13:21,817 --> 00:13:25,806 They can be as relatively simple as not going after what we really want, 223 00:13:25,806 --> 00:13:28,526 because we believe, deep down, that we are unworthy, 224 00:13:28,976 --> 00:13:31,587 and they can be as complex as staying in relationships 225 00:13:31,587 --> 00:13:35,685 with people who hurt us because that's what our understanding of love is. 226 00:13:36,835 --> 00:13:37,976 Put them all together, 227 00:13:37,976 --> 00:13:42,086 and they create the very fabric of our individual universes. 228 00:13:42,656 --> 00:13:45,477 So to use an example that is probably closer to home, here: 229 00:13:45,477 --> 00:13:49,707 Our relational templates have a lot to do with the people we attract into our lives. 230 00:13:49,707 --> 00:13:52,238 Our romantic partners especially. 231 00:13:53,248 --> 00:13:55,326 If we have a hard time finding a partner, 232 00:13:55,326 --> 00:13:59,687 or if we feel incredibly frustrated with the one we've got, 233 00:13:59,687 --> 00:14:01,477 at some point, we have to recognize 234 00:14:01,477 --> 00:14:06,277 that we are the thing that all of our experiences have in common. 235 00:14:06,697 --> 00:14:12,097 And this is the reason why we can all benefit from therapy. 236 00:14:12,097 --> 00:14:15,157 It's also part of the reason why talking to a therapist 237 00:14:15,157 --> 00:14:18,596 is not just like talking to a friend. 238 00:14:18,596 --> 00:14:22,338 What a trained therapist does, among other things, 239 00:14:22,338 --> 00:14:26,237 is help us to explore the role that we are playing in our own lives. 240 00:14:27,357 --> 00:14:30,869 Because if you can't see the role that you're playing 241 00:14:30,869 --> 00:14:33,288 in the circumstances of your own life, 242 00:14:33,288 --> 00:14:35,928 you're powerless to change them. 243 00:14:38,748 --> 00:14:41,156 The beauty of this kind of therapy 244 00:14:41,156 --> 00:14:46,059 is that it carries with it a deep respect for the human condition. 245 00:14:47,539 --> 00:14:51,959 Because it isn't about sickness versus health; 246 00:14:51,959 --> 00:14:54,978 It's about expanding consciousness. 247 00:14:55,698 --> 00:14:59,688 It isn't a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength, 248 00:14:59,688 --> 00:15:04,267 because it takes courage to look at the parts of ourselves we'd rather avoid. 249 00:15:05,747 --> 00:15:08,329 For anyone who's experiencing psychiatric symptoms, 250 00:15:08,329 --> 00:15:12,600 this therapy can help - I just want to repeat that. 251 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,908 The aims of psychoanalytic therapy don't stop there. 252 00:15:16,908 --> 00:15:21,990 Because psychological health isn't defined by the absence of symptoms. 253 00:15:22,180 --> 00:15:25,689 It's defined by the presence of inner resources 254 00:15:25,689 --> 00:15:30,509 that help us to lead more fulfilling, satisfying lives. 255 00:15:32,889 --> 00:15:37,068 If you're struggling or suffering in some way, 256 00:15:37,658 --> 00:15:41,058 I hope I've said something today that will help you to feel less fearful 257 00:15:41,058 --> 00:15:43,700 of reaching out and getting the help that you need. 258 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:45,608 But, even if you aren't, 259 00:15:45,608 --> 00:15:48,799 it's time for us to change this conversation. 260 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:53,599 We owe it to ourselves to explore our inner worlds 261 00:15:53,599 --> 00:15:55,908 and to take control of our destinies. 262 00:15:56,738 --> 00:15:59,557 And therapy helps us to do this. 263 00:16:01,857 --> 00:16:06,210 I believe this with every fiber of my being. 264 00:16:07,710 --> 00:16:10,880 And I believe that you are someone who is worth getting to know. 265 00:16:11,230 --> 00:16:12,441 Thank you. 266 00:16:12,441 --> 00:16:15,521 (Applause)