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>> [NOISE] Twenty
seven years ago when

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civil rights leader
Martin Luther King Junior

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was assassinated,

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[NOISE] grief
and frustration

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erupted in
America's cities.

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[NOISE] Far away in Iowa,

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one third grade teacher

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knew she had to
do something.

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>> The shooting of
Martin Luther King,

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could not just be talked

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about, and explained away.

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There was no way
to explain this to

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little third graders
in Riceville, Iowa.

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I knew that it was time to

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deal with this in
a concrete way,

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not just talk about it.

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Because we had
talked about

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racism since the
first day of school.

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[MUSIC].

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>> This is a fact,
blue-eyed people

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are better than
brown-eyed people.

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>> It was a daring
experiment in prejudice.

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>> I watched wonderful,

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thoughtful children
turn into nasty,

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vicious, discriminating,

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[LAUGHTER] little
third graders.

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>> Can one teacher
in one day

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change the lives of
her students forever?

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Tonight, A Class Divided.

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>> [BACKGROUND]
August 1984,

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a high school
reunion brings

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some 50 former students
to Riceville Iowa.

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Eleven of them, some with

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their spouses
and children,

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arrive early for a
special reunion with

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their former 3rd grade
teacher, Jane Elliott.

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>> [LAUGHTER] [inaudible]

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>> This is my husband Tom.

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>> Tom. Brian? [LAUGHTER]

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>> I don't have one.

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>> How are you?

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>> I'm fine. Roy Wilson.

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>> I made it.

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>> You darling.

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>> It's been long time
[inaudible] 14 years.

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>> I'm so glad

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to see you [BACKGROUND]
[OVERLAPPING].

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>> [BACKGROUND]
How are you doing?

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It's been a long time
since I've seen you.

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>> Yeah. It has been

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>> Where are your
little ones?

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>> They are at
home with mom.

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>> This is your husband?

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>> Yeah, that's Greg.

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>> Mr

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>> Greg Rollin

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>> Greg Rollin.
Nice to meet you.

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>> Fourteen years earlier,

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when they were students in

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her 3rd grade classroom,

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ABC News filmed

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a two-day exercise
for a documentary,

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The Eye of the Storm.

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Now at their request,

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they will see that
film again and relive

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the experience of
her unique lesson

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in discrimination.

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[MUSIC]

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>> This is a special week.

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Does anybody
know what it is?

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>> National
Brotherhood Week

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>> National
Brotherhood Week.

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What's brotherhood?

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>> Be kind to
your brothers?

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>> Be kind to
your brothers.

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>> Like you would
like to be treated.

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>> Treat everyone the way

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you would like
to be treated.

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Treat everyone as though
he was your brother.

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Is there anyone in
this United States

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that we do not treat
as our brothers?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Who?

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>> Black people.

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>> The black
people. Who else?

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>> Indians.

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>> Absolutely,
the Indians.

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When many people
see a black person,

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or a yellow person, or

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a red person, what
do they think?

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>> [BACKGROUND] Look
at the dumb people.

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>> Look at the
dumb people.

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What else do they
think sometimes?

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What things do they say
about black people?

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>> They call them
Negros, niggers.

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>> In the city,

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many places in the
United States,

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how are black
people treated?

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How are Indians treated?

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How are people who are of

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a different color
than we are treated?

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>> Like they're not
part of this world.

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They don't get anything
in this world.

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>> Why is that?

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>> Because they are
a different color.

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>> Do you think you
know how it would

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be judged by the
color of your skin?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Do you think you
do? No, I don't think

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you'd know how
that felt unless

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you had been through
it, would you?

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It might be
interesting to judge

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people today by the color

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of their eyes. Would
you like to try this?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Sounds like
fun, doesn't it?

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Since I'm the teacher
and I have blue eyes,

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I think maybe the
blue-eyed people should

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be on top the first day.

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>> Up here?

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>> The blue-eyed people

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are the better
people in this room.

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Yes, they are.
Blue-eyed people

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are smarter than
brown-eyed people?

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[LAUGHTER].

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>> My dad isn't
that stupid.

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>> Is your dad brown-eyed?

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>> Yeah.

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>> One day you
came to school and

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you told us that
he kicked you?

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>> He did.

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>> Do you think a
blue-eyed father

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would kick his son?

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>> Yeah [OVERLAPPING].

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>> My dad is

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blue-eyed he's never
kicked me [LAUGHTER].

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>> Ray's dad is blue-eyed,

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he's never kicked
him [LAUGHTER].

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>> Rex's dad is blue-eyed

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he's never kicked him.

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This is a fact.

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Blue-eyed people are

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better than
brown-eyed people.

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Are you brown-eyed
or blue-eyed?

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>> Blue.

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>> Why are you
shaking your head?

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>> I don't know [LAUGHTER]

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>> Are you sure
that you're right?

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Why?

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What makes you so sure
that you're right?

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[LAUGHTER].

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>> I don't know.

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>> The blue-eyed
people get

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five extra minutes
of recess,

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while the brown-eyed
people have to stay in.

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The brown-eyed people do

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not get to use the
drinking fountain.

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You'll have to use
the paper cups.

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You brown-eyed people are

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not to play with the
blue-eyed people

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on the playground
because you are

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not as good as
blue-eyed people.

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The brown-eyed
people in this room

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today are going
to wear collars,

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so that we can tell
from a distance

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what color your eyes are.

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On page 127. Is
everyone ready?

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Everyone but Laurie.
Ready, Laurie?

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>> She's a brown-eyed.

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>> She's a brown-eyed.

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You'll begin to notice
today that we spend

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a great deal of time

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waiting for
brown-eyed people.

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The yardstick's gone.

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I don't see the
yardstick, do you?

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>> It's probably
over there.

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>> Hey, Mrs. Elliot,

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you better keep that
on your desk so if

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the brown-eyed people
get out of hand.

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>> Oh, you think

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if the brown-eyed
people get out of hand,

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that would be
thing to use?

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>> No.

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>> Who goes
first to lunch?

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>> The blue eyes.

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>> The blue-eyed people.

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No brown-eyed people
go back for seconds.

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Blue-eyed people may
go back for seconds.

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Brown-eyed people do not.

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>> Why not the brown-eyed?

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>> Don't you know?

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>> They're not smart.

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>> Is that the
only reason?

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>> Afraid they'll
take too much.

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>> Might take too
much [NOISE].

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Quietly now, not a sound.

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>> [NOISE]. It
seemed like when we

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were down on the bottom,

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everything bad was
happening to us.

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>> The way they
treated you felt

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like you didn't even

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want to try to
do anything.

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>> It seemed like Mrs.

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Elliot was taking
our best friends

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away from us [NOISE].

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>> What happened
at recess?

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Were two of you
boys fighting?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Russell and John.

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>> What happened, John?

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>> Russell called
me names and

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I hit him in the gut.

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>> What did he call you?

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>> Brown eyes.

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>> Did you call
him brown eyes?

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>> They always
call us that.

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Greg, and all of the
blue eyes goes there.

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[OVERLAPPING]

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>> You can't call
us brown eyes.

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>> Come here, brown eyes.

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>> [inaudible]
call us blue eyes.

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>> What's wrong with
being called brown-eyed?

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>> It means that we're

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stupid or mean like that.

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>> That's just
the same way

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as other people calling
Black people niggers.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Is that's the reason
you hit him, John?

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[NOISE] Did it help?

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[NOISE] Did it stop him?

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[NOISE] Did it make you
feel better inside?

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[BACKGROUND]

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Does it make you
feel better inside?

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[NOISE] It make you

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feel better to call
him brown eyes?

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Why do you suppose you
call him brown eyes?

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>> Well, because
he has brown eyes.

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>> Is that the
only reason?

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You didn't call him
brown eyes yesterday,

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and he had brown eyes
yesterday, didn't he?

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[OVERLAPPING]

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>> Because you said to

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put those blue things
on their neck.

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>> They tease them.
You can't tease them.

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>> Is this teasing?

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>> No.

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>> Well, he did it once.

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>> Were you doing
it for fun,

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to be funny, or were you
doing it to be mean?

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>> I don't know.
Don't ask me.

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Did anyone laugh at
you when you do?

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I watched what had
been marvelous.

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Cooperative, wonderful,

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thoughtful children
turn into nasty,

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vicious, discriminating
little 3rd

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graders in a space
of 15 minutes.

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Yesterday, I told you that

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brown-eyed
people aren't as

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good as blue-eyed people.

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That wasn't true.

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I lied to you yesterday.

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[BACKGROUND] The truth is

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that brown-eyed people are

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better than
blue-eyed people.

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[LAUGHTER] Russell,
where are your glasses?

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>> I forgot them.

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>> You forgot them?

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What color are your eyes?

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>> Blue. [LAUGHTER]

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>> Susan Ginder
has brown eyes.

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She didn't forget
her glasses.

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[BACKGROUND]
Russell Ring has

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blue eyes and what
about his glasses?

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>> He forgot them.

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>> He forgot them.

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Yesterday, we
were visiting

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and Greg said, "Boy,

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I like to hit

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my little sister
as hard as I can.

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That's fun."

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[LAUGHTER] What does that

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tell you about
blue-eyed people?

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>> They're naughty.
They fight a lot.

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>> The brown-eyed people

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may take off
their collars,

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and each of you may put

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your collar on a
blue-eyed person.

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[NOISE] The
brown-eyed people

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get five extra
minutes of recess.

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You blue-eyed people
are not allowed to

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be on playground
equipment at any time.

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You blue-eyed people are

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not to play with the
brown-eyed people.

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Brown-eyed people are

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better than
blue-eyed people.

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They're smarter than
blue-eyed people,

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and if you don't believe
it, look at Brian.

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Do blue-eyed
people know how

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to sit in a chair?

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Very sad.

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Very, very sad.

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[NOISE] Who can tell

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me what contraction should

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be in the first sentence.

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Go to the board and
write it, John.

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[LAUGHTER] Come on,

00:11:44.350 --> 00:11:46.165
let's do it
again. Loosen up.

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Up, up, up. Come on.

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That's better.

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Now, do you know
how to make a W?

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Okay, write the
contraction for we are.

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Now, that's
beautiful writing.

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Is that better?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Brown-eyed people
learn fast, don't they?

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Boy, do brown-eyed
people learn fast.

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Very good.

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[NOISE] Greg, what did
you do with that cup?

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Will you please go,

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[LAUGHTER] and
get that cup

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and put your name on

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it and keep it
at your desk.

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Blue-eyed people
are wasteful.

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[NOISE] You want to be
timed this morning?

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>> Yeah. [NOISE]

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>> I use Orton-Gillingham
phonics.

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We used the card pack.

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The brown-eyed
children were

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the low class
the first day,

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and it took them five
and a half minutes

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to get through
the card pack.

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The second day, it took

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them two and a
half minutes.

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The only thing that had

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changed was the
fact that now,

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they were superior people.

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[BACKGROUND]
You went faster

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than I ever had

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anyone go through
the card pack?

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[LAUGHTER] Why couldn't

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you get them yesterday?

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>> We were brown-eyed.

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>> We had no powers.

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>> [inaudible]
block of cards.

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>> You can see my eyes

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keep rolling
around, dizzy.

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>> Oh, and you couldn't

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think as well with
the colors on.

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Four minutes
and 18 seconds.

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>> I know [inaudible].

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>> How long did it
take you yesterday?

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>> Three minutes.

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>> Three minutes.

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How long did it
take you today?

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>> Four minutes
and 18 seconds.

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>> What happened?

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>> Went down.

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>> Why?

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What are you thinking of?

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>> This.

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>> I hate today.

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>> Me, too. I hate
it, too [LAUGHTER]

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>> Because I'm blue-eyed.

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>> See? I am, too.

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[LAUGHTER]

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>> It's not
funny, it's not

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fun, it's not pleasant.

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This is a filthy,

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nasty word called
discrimination.

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We're treating people
a certain way because

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they are different
from the rest

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of us. Is that fair?

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>> No.

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>> Nothing fair about it.

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We didn't say this
was going to be

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a fair day, did we?

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>> No

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>> It isn't, it's
a horrid day.

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Ready? What did you,

00:14:24.745 --> 00:14:26.560
people who are
wearing blue colors

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now, find out today?

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>> I know what they
felt like yesterday.

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>> I knew it, too.

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>> How did they
feel yesterday?

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>> Down.

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>> Like a dog on a leash.

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>> Yeah.

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>> It feels like

00:14:43.330 --> 00:14:44.410
you're chaining them
up wherever you go.

00:14:44.410 --> 00:14:46.030
>> Like chaining them
up in the prison, and

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you threw the key away.

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>> Should the color of

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some other person's eyes

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have anything to do with
how you treat them?

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>> No.

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>> All right then,

00:14:53.620 --> 00:14:55.075
should the color
of their skin?

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>> No.

00:14:55.490 --> 00:14:56.330
>> No.

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>> Should you judge

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people by the color
of their skin?

00:15:01.255 --> 00:15:01.510
>> No.

00:15:01.510 --> 00:15:02.815
>> No.

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>> You're going
to say that

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today and this week,

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and probably all the

00:15:08.950 --> 00:15:10.600
time you're in this room.

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You'll say, "No, Mrs.

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Elliot.". Every time
I ask that question.

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>> No, Mrs. Elliot.

00:15:20.890 --> 00:15:21.970
>> No, Mrs. Elliot.

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>> Then when you see

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a Black man or an

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Indian or someone
walking down the street,

00:15:30.940 --> 00:15:32.830
are you going to
say, " [LAUGHTER]

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Look at that silly
looking thing?".

00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:35.860
>> No.

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>> Does it make
any difference

00:15:38.545 --> 00:15:41.215
whether their skin
is black or white?

00:15:41.215 --> 00:15:41.680
>> No.

00:15:41.680 --> 00:15:42.580
>> Or yellow?

00:15:42.580 --> 00:15:43.180
>> No.

00:15:43.180 --> 00:15:44.380
>> Or red?

00:15:44.380 --> 00:15:45.100
>> No

00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:46.690
>> Is that how you decide

00:15:46.690 --> 00:15:48.010
whether people
are good or bad?

00:15:48.010 --> 00:15:48.375
>> No.

00:15:48.375 --> 00:15:50.710
>> Is that what makes
people good or bad?

00:15:50.710 --> 00:15:51.345
>> No.

00:15:51.345 --> 00:15:54.950
>> Let's take
these collars off.

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>> Here, Mrs. Elliot,
you can [inaudible].

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>> What would you
like to do with them?

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>> Throw them away.

00:16:01.900 --> 00:16:02.260
>> Go ahead.

00:16:02.260 --> 00:16:03.340
>> Go ahead.
[OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]

00:16:03.340 --> 00:16:05.450
>> Okay, Mrs. Elliot.

00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.940
>> Now, you know
a little bit

00:16:12.940 --> 00:16:13.870
more than you knew

00:16:13.870 --> 00:16:14.950
at the beginning
of this week.

00:16:14.950 --> 00:16:15.220
>> Yeah.

00:16:15.220 --> 00:16:17.185
>> A lot.

00:16:17.185 --> 00:16:18.350
>> Do you know
a little bit

00:16:18.350 --> 00:16:19.580
more than you wanted to?

00:16:19.580 --> 00:16:21.845
>> Yes, Mrs. Elliot.

00:16:21.845 --> 00:16:22.940
>> This isn't an easy

00:16:22.940 --> 00:16:24.155
way to learn this, is it?

00:16:24.155 --> 00:16:30.830
>> No, Mrs. Elliot.

00:16:30.830 --> 00:16:32.950
>> Oh, will you stop
that? [LAUGHTER] Now,

00:16:32.950 --> 00:16:34.630
let's all sit down
here together,

00:16:34.630 --> 00:16:36.130
blue eyes and brown eyes.

00:16:36.130 --> 00:16:36.940
Did it make any difference

00:16:36.940 --> 00:16:37.660
what color you are?

00:16:37.660 --> 00:16:38.530
>> No, no.

00:16:38.530 --> 00:16:40.240
>> Down, girl. [LAUGHTER].

00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:46.990
>> You found your
friend, huh.

00:16:46.990 --> 00:16:53.320
[LAUGHTER]

00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:54.700
>> Are you ready
to listen now?

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Now, are you back?

00:16:57.390 --> 00:16:58.510
>> Yeah.

00:16:58.510 --> 00:16:59.470
>> Did that feel better?

00:16:59.470 --> 00:17:00.630
>> Yeah.

00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.710
>> Does the color
of eyes that you

00:17:03.710 --> 00:17:04.760
have make any difference

00:17:04.760 --> 00:17:06.680
in the kind of
person you are?

00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:08.750
>> No, Mrs. Elliot.

00:17:08.750 --> 00:17:10.550
>> Does that
feel like being

00:17:10.550 --> 00:17:11.855
home again, girls?

00:17:11.855 --> 00:17:18.235
>> Yes, Mrs.
Elliot. [LAUGHTER]

00:17:18.235 --> 00:17:20.380
>> This was the third time

00:17:20.380 --> 00:17:21.490
Jane Elliott had taught

00:17:21.490 --> 00:17:23.185
her lesson in
discrimination.

00:17:23.185 --> 00:17:25.375
The first, two
years earlier

00:17:25.375 --> 00:17:27.955
was in April of 1968.

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>> On the day after

00:17:28.900 --> 00:17:30.580
Martin Luther
King was killed,

00:17:30.580 --> 00:17:32.350
one of my students
came into the room and

00:17:32.350 --> 00:17:33.940
said they shot a
king last night,

00:17:33.940 --> 00:17:35.995
Mrs. Elliot, why did
they shoot that King?

00:17:35.995 --> 00:17:38.050
I knew the night
before that it was

00:17:38.050 --> 00:17:39.880
time to deal with this
in a concrete way,

00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:41.200
not just talk
about it because

00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:42.220
we had talked about

00:17:42.220 --> 00:17:45.610
racism since the
first day of school.

00:17:45.610 --> 00:17:48.280
But the shooting of
Martin Luther King,

00:17:48.280 --> 00:17:49.570
who had been one
of our heroes of

00:17:49.570 --> 00:17:51.039
the month in February,

00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:52.150
could not just be talked

00:17:52.150 --> 00:17:53.170
about and explained away.

00:17:53.170 --> 00:17:54.700
There was no way
to explain this to

00:17:54.700 --> 00:17:56.800
little third graders
in Riceville, Iowa.

00:17:56.800 --> 00:17:58.420
As I listened to

00:17:58.420 --> 00:18:00.625
the white male
commentators

00:18:00.625 --> 00:18:02.275
on TV the night before,

00:18:02.275 --> 00:18:04.180
I was hearing things like,

00:18:04.180 --> 00:18:06.610
"Who is going to hold
your people together?"

00:18:06.610 --> 00:18:08.755
As they interviewed
black leaders?

00:18:08.755 --> 00:18:10.870
"What are they
going to do?

00:18:10.870 --> 00:18:13.360
Who's going to
control your people?"

00:18:13.360 --> 00:18:16.195
As though these
people were

00:18:16.195 --> 00:18:17.680
subhuman and someone
was going to

00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:19.510
have to step in there
and control them.

00:18:19.510 --> 00:18:20.830
They said things
like, "When

00:18:20.830 --> 00:18:22.255
we lost our leader,

00:18:22.255 --> 00:18:24.550
his widow helped to
hold us together."

00:18:24.550 --> 00:18:27.249
Who's going to hold
them together?

00:18:27.249 --> 00:18:28.990
The attitude was so

00:18:28.990 --> 00:18:31.075
arrogant and so
condescending and so

00:18:31.075 --> 00:18:32.860
ungodly that I thought if

00:18:32.860 --> 00:18:36.285
white male adults
react this way,

00:18:36.285 --> 00:18:38.010
what are my third
graders going to do?

00:18:38.010 --> 00:18:40.190
How are they going to
react to this thing?

00:18:40.190 --> 00:18:41.680
I was ironing the teepee,

00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:42.850
we studied an Indian unit,

00:18:42.850 --> 00:18:44.170
we made a teepee
every year.

00:18:44.170 --> 00:18:45.760
The first year,
the students would

00:18:45.760 --> 00:18:47.620
make the teepee out
of pieces of sheet,

00:18:47.620 --> 00:18:48.880
we'd sew it together,

00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:49.840
and the next year,

00:18:49.840 --> 00:18:51.775
we'd decorate it
with Indian symbols.

00:18:51.775 --> 00:18:54.250
I was ironing the
previous year's teepee,

00:18:54.250 --> 00:18:55.060
getting it ready to be

00:18:55.060 --> 00:18:57.010
decorated the next day.

00:18:57.010 --> 00:18:58.630
I thought of what we had

00:18:58.630 --> 00:18:59.575
done with the Indians.

00:18:59.575 --> 00:19:01.405
We haven't made
much progress

00:19:01.405 --> 00:19:04.045
in these 200, 300 years.

00:19:04.045 --> 00:19:06.655
I thought this is the
time now to teach them

00:19:06.655 --> 00:19:07.690
really what the Sioux

00:19:07.690 --> 00:19:08.785
Indian prayer that says,

00:19:08.785 --> 00:19:09.940
"Oh great spirit, keep me

00:19:09.940 --> 00:19:11.260
from ever judging a man

00:19:11.260 --> 00:19:12.190
until I've walked in

00:19:12.190 --> 00:19:14.530
his moccasins,"
really means.

00:19:14.530 --> 00:19:15.550
For the next day,

00:19:15.550 --> 00:19:16.750
I knew that my
children were going to

00:19:16.750 --> 00:19:18.970
walk in someone else's
moccasins for a day.

00:19:18.970 --> 00:19:19.960
Like it or lump it,

00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:20.680
they were going to have to

00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:22.464
walk in someone
else's moccasins.

00:19:22.464 --> 00:19:24.610
I decided at that
point that it

00:19:24.610 --> 00:19:26.830
was time to try the
eye color thing,

00:19:26.830 --> 00:19:28.180
which I had thought
about many,

00:19:28.180 --> 00:19:30.010
many times but
had never used.

00:19:30.010 --> 00:19:32.515
The next day, I introduced

00:19:32.515 --> 00:19:34.120
an eye color exercise in

00:19:34.120 --> 00:19:35.350
my classroom and split

00:19:35.350 --> 00:19:37.045
the class according
to eye color,

00:19:37.045 --> 00:19:39.969
and immediately
created a microcosm

00:19:39.969 --> 00:19:42.515
of society in a third
grade classroom.

00:19:42.515 --> 00:19:44.775
Riceville hasn't
changed much

00:19:44.775 --> 00:19:46.860
in the 17 years
since then.

00:19:46.860 --> 00:19:49.410
It's still a small
farming community

00:19:49.410 --> 00:19:51.420
surrounded by corn fields.

00:19:51.420 --> 00:19:54.390
Its population is
still under 1,000,

00:19:54.390 --> 00:19:58.130
and it's still all white
and all Christian.

00:19:58.130 --> 00:20:00.220
Though Jane Elliott
has continued

00:20:00.220 --> 00:20:02.170
to teach her lesson
in discrimination,

00:20:02.170 --> 00:20:04.900
there has been little
outward local reaction.

00:20:04.900 --> 00:20:06.100
No objections from

00:20:06.100 --> 00:20:07.870
school authorities
or the parents of

00:20:07.870 --> 00:20:09.415
the 300 odd students

00:20:09.415 --> 00:20:11.890
who have by now
been through it.

00:20:11.890 --> 00:20:14.710
>> Okay. Let's
get in a circle.

00:20:14.710 --> 00:20:15.790
>> The reunion of

00:20:15.790 --> 00:20:17.470
her former third
graders was

00:20:17.470 --> 00:20:19.810
Jane Elliott's first
chance to find out

00:20:19.810 --> 00:20:21.205
how much of her lessons

00:20:21.205 --> 00:20:22.825
her students had retained.

00:20:22.825 --> 00:20:26.605
>> All right. Now,
Raymond I want to know

00:20:26.605 --> 00:20:29.110
why you were so

00:20:29.110 --> 00:20:30.295
eager to

00:20:30.295 --> 00:20:32.680
discriminate against
the rest of these kids.

00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:34.210
At the end of the
day, I thought

00:20:34.210 --> 00:20:35.440
the miserable little Nazi.

00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:40.075
[LAUGHTER] Really, I
couldn't stand you.

00:20:40.075 --> 00:20:42.680
>> It felt
tremendously evil.

00:20:43.860 --> 00:20:46.705
All your inhibitions
were gone.

00:20:46.705 --> 00:20:49.435
No matter if they were
my friends or not,

00:20:49.435 --> 00:20:52.030
any pent-up hostilities or

00:20:52.030 --> 00:20:53.620
aggressions
that these kids

00:20:53.620 --> 00:20:54.760
had ever caused you,

00:20:54.760 --> 00:20:56.575
you had a chance
to get it all out?

00:20:56.575 --> 00:20:59.500
>> Yeah, I felt
like I was a king,

00:20:59.500 --> 00:21:02.680
like I ruled
them brown-eyes,

00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:06.805
like I was better
than them, happy.

00:21:06.805 --> 00:21:09.055
>> You did it all day?

00:21:09.055 --> 00:21:09.775
>> Yeah.

00:21:09.775 --> 00:21:10.960
>> How did you feel when

00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:13.134
you were the out-group?

00:21:13.134 --> 00:21:15.520
>> Boy that day,
after we went home

00:21:15.520 --> 00:21:18.678
[LAUGHTER] talk about
hating somebody.

00:21:18.678 --> 00:21:18.970
>> Yeah.

00:21:18.970 --> 00:21:19.975
>> It was there.

00:21:19.975 --> 00:21:21.100
>> You hated me?

00:21:21.100 --> 00:21:23.875
>> Yeah, of what you
were putting us through.

00:21:23.875 --> 00:21:26.320
Nobody likes to be
looked down upon,

00:21:26.320 --> 00:21:28.030
nobody likes to be hated,

00:21:28.030 --> 00:21:31.720
teased, or
discriminated against.

00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:34.360
It just boggles
up inside of you.

00:21:34.360 --> 00:21:37.315
You just get so mad.

00:21:37.315 --> 00:21:38.545
>> Were you just angry,

00:21:38.545 --> 00:21:40.120
or was it more than that?

00:21:40.120 --> 00:21:44.320
>> I felt demoralized,
humiliated.

00:21:44.320 --> 00:21:47.125
>> Is the learning
worth the agony?

00:21:47.125 --> 00:21:48.400
>> Yes. [OVERLAPPING]

00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:50.260
>> It made
everything a lot

00:21:50.260 --> 00:21:53.215
different than
what it was.

00:21:53.215 --> 00:21:55.915
We was a lot better
family altogether,

00:21:55.915 --> 00:21:58.135
even in our houses,
we was probably.

00:21:58.135 --> 00:22:02.170
Because it was
hard on you.

00:22:02.170 --> 00:22:04.240
When you have
your best friend

00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:07.415
one day and then he's
your enemy the next.

00:22:07.415 --> 00:22:11.290
It brings it
out real quick.

00:22:11.610 --> 00:22:14.065
>> Some of the
remarks were

00:22:14.065 --> 00:22:15.850
the kinds of things
I would have

00:22:15.850 --> 00:22:17.290
wished I could have
programmed into

00:22:17.290 --> 00:22:19.300
them if I had been
able to program them.

00:22:19.300 --> 00:22:20.560
They're the things I would

00:22:20.560 --> 00:22:21.820
have wanted them to say.

00:22:21.820 --> 00:22:25.195
Some of the things were
just mind-blowing.

00:22:25.195 --> 00:22:28.285
>> You hear these people
talking about that,

00:22:28.285 --> 00:22:30.265
different people,

00:22:30.265 --> 00:22:33.610
how they're difference and

00:22:33.610 --> 00:22:35.320
they'd like to have them
out of the country.

00:22:35.320 --> 00:22:37.960
I wish they go back
to Africa and stuff.

00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:39.340
Sometimes I just wish I

00:22:39.340 --> 00:22:40.690
had that color
in my pocket,

00:22:40.690 --> 00:22:42.625
I could whip it out
and put it on and say,

00:22:42.625 --> 00:22:46.275
"Wear this and put
yourself in their place."

00:22:46.275 --> 00:22:50.135
I wish they would go
what I went through.

00:22:50.135 --> 00:22:52.120
>> We was at a softball

00:22:52.120 --> 00:22:53.890
game a couple weekends

00:22:53.890 --> 00:22:57.760
ago and there was a
black guy. "Hi, Verla."

00:22:57.760 --> 00:22:59.995
We hugged each other
and everything and

00:22:59.995 --> 00:23:03.445
some people really
look just like,

00:23:03.445 --> 00:23:06.055
"What are you
doing with him?"

00:23:06.055 --> 00:23:08.650
You just get this
burning feeling,

00:23:08.650 --> 00:23:10.210
sensation in you
that just want to

00:23:10.210 --> 00:23:11.890
let it out and

00:23:11.890 --> 00:23:13.570
put them through what
we went through to

00:23:13.570 --> 00:23:15.400
find out they're
not any different.

00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:17.860
>> I still find
myself sometimes when

00:23:17.860 --> 00:23:19.120
I see some people together

00:23:19.120 --> 00:23:20.605
and I see how they act,

00:23:20.605 --> 00:23:22.555
I think, well
that's black.

00:23:22.555 --> 00:23:24.100
Then right in
the next second

00:23:24.100 --> 00:23:25.450
I won't even finish
the thought.

00:23:25.450 --> 00:23:27.460
I'm saying, well, I've
seen whites do it,

00:23:27.460 --> 00:23:29.455
I've seen other
people do it.

00:23:29.455 --> 00:23:30.910
It's not just the blacks.

00:23:30.910 --> 00:23:32.380
Everyone acts differently.

00:23:32.380 --> 00:23:33.535
It's just the
different color

00:23:33.535 --> 00:23:35.260
is what hits you first.

00:23:35.260 --> 00:23:37.060
Then later, as I said,

00:23:37.060 --> 00:23:37.690
I don't even finish

00:23:37.690 --> 00:23:38.800
that thought
before I remember

00:23:38.800 --> 00:23:41.350
back when I was like
that and I remember,

00:23:41.350 --> 00:23:43.150
everyone acts
the same way,

00:23:43.150 --> 00:23:44.230
it's just your way of

00:23:44.230 --> 00:23:46.345
thinking is the
difference.

00:23:46.345 --> 00:23:47.920
>> Like when my
grandparents or

00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:49.300
somebody and they start

00:23:49.300 --> 00:23:50.890
talking about old
times and they say

00:23:50.890 --> 00:23:52.765
the Japs and all
this and that,

00:23:52.765 --> 00:23:54.160
and they start holding

00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:55.375
that against
them, I think.

00:23:55.375 --> 00:23:58.330
How would you like
to been them?

00:23:58.330 --> 00:24:00.850
Japanese Americans
get drawn into

00:24:00.850 --> 00:24:01.870
this camp just
because they

00:24:01.870 --> 00:24:04.550
happened to be
part Japanese.

00:24:05.310 --> 00:24:07.615
Calm down and
think about it.

00:24:07.615 --> 00:24:09.220
But when they get older,

00:24:09.220 --> 00:24:10.300
they're set in
their ways and

00:24:10.300 --> 00:24:11.800
they're not
going to change.

00:24:11.800 --> 00:24:13.705
>> When you get older?

00:24:13.705 --> 00:24:15.595
>> I'll be set in my ways,

00:24:15.595 --> 00:24:18.475
but they're different
than their way.

00:24:18.475 --> 00:24:21.325
>> I was absolutely
enthralled,

00:24:21.325 --> 00:24:23.590
Sandy Dohlman's
statements that,

00:24:23.590 --> 00:24:24.640
"When my son comes

00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:25.810
home with the word
nigger and the

00:24:25.810 --> 00:24:28.375
other things that
he hears downtown,

00:24:28.375 --> 00:24:29.965
I say to him, listen,

00:24:29.965 --> 00:24:31.600
that isn't the way
we judge people.

00:24:31.600 --> 00:24:33.250
You don't judge people
by how they look.

00:24:33.250 --> 00:24:34.345
You judge them
by what's on the

00:24:34.345 --> 00:24:35.860
inside, not the outside."

00:24:35.860 --> 00:24:37.120
>> I'm glad that she's

00:24:37.120 --> 00:24:38.365
teaching them not to hate

00:24:38.365 --> 00:24:39.850
because even though he

00:24:39.850 --> 00:24:41.815
does here this from
the other people,

00:24:41.815 --> 00:24:43.660
if he goes home
and thinks, Well,

00:24:43.660 --> 00:24:44.935
Mom and Dad, like

00:24:44.935 --> 00:24:47.365
the black people I'm
going to like them too.

00:24:47.365 --> 00:24:48.790
I don't think he's
going to pick

00:24:48.790 --> 00:24:50.095
nothing bad about it.

00:24:50.095 --> 00:24:51.670
>> You chose your
husband well.

00:24:51.670 --> 00:24:52.810
[LAUGHTER]

00:24:52.810 --> 00:24:53.845
>> He chose me.

00:24:53.845 --> 00:24:55.210
>> You chose her well.

00:24:55.210 --> 00:24:56.980
[LAUGHTER]

00:24:56.980 --> 00:24:58.555
>> Little kids
will take and

00:24:58.555 --> 00:25:00.715
they'll listen to a lot
of other people too,

00:25:00.715 --> 00:25:04.315
so they're going to end
up confused over it.

00:25:04.315 --> 00:25:06.655
>> But if she keeps
on telling them,

00:25:06.655 --> 00:25:09.220
is he going to be
person your kids

00:25:09.220 --> 00:25:10.510
are or is he going to be

00:25:10.510 --> 00:25:11.500
the kind who judge

00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:12.010
people by the
[OVERLAPPING].

00:25:12.010 --> 00:25:13.135
>> Well, he'll know

00:25:13.135 --> 00:25:15.010
somewhat right from wrong.

00:25:15.010 --> 00:25:16.990
[OVERLAPPING].

00:25:16.990 --> 00:25:19.300
>> But he'll
have the ideas.

00:25:19.300 --> 00:25:22.510
He won't be judging
them by their color,

00:25:22.510 --> 00:25:24.460
but he won't know what we

00:25:24.460 --> 00:25:27.130
know fully having
been through it.

00:25:27.130 --> 00:25:29.500
>> He won't learn
the color thing.

00:25:29.500 --> 00:25:31.345
>> The prejudice from us.

00:25:31.345 --> 00:25:33.910
>> He won't learn
prejudice first-handed.

00:25:33.910 --> 00:25:34.690
>> Yeah.

00:25:34.690 --> 00:25:37.420
>> He won't learn to
be prejudiced from us.

00:25:37.420 --> 00:25:38.950
If they won't learn to

00:25:38.950 --> 00:25:41.395
discriminate between
people from us,

00:25:41.395 --> 00:25:42.880
he might hear
it from others,

00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:44.020
but never from us.

00:25:44.020 --> 00:25:44.380
>> Okay.

00:25:44.380 --> 00:25:45.040
What's it like to be

00:25:45.040 --> 00:25:46.150
married to somebody
like that?

00:25:46.150 --> 00:25:49.900
[LAUGHTER]

00:25:49.900 --> 00:25:51.250
>> When I was going
to marry Sheila,

00:25:51.250 --> 00:25:52.270
I knew it for

00:25:52.270 --> 00:25:55.355
my future that I was
going into the military.

00:25:55.355 --> 00:25:57.615
At first, I thought,

00:25:57.615 --> 00:25:59.010
is she going to be able to

00:25:59.010 --> 00:26:00.720
handle being with

00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.440
all the different
nationalities?

00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:07.540
Then I read The
Storm, read the book.

00:26:07.540 --> 00:26:08.590
>> A Class Divided.

00:26:08.590 --> 00:26:10.660
>> A Class Divided
before we got

00:26:10.660 --> 00:26:13.165
married and before
I joined the army.

00:26:13.165 --> 00:26:15.220
I said, hey,

00:26:15.220 --> 00:26:18.564
she's not going to
have any problems.

00:26:18.564 --> 00:26:21.340
>> Should every child

00:26:21.340 --> 00:26:23.885
have the exercise or
should every teacher?

00:26:23.885 --> 00:26:27.460
>> Everybody.
[OVERLAPPING]

00:26:27.460 --> 00:26:28.930
>> I think every
school aught

00:26:28.930 --> 00:26:30.400
to implement
something like

00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:31.840
this program in their

00:26:31.840 --> 00:26:34.315
early stages of education.

00:26:34.315 --> 00:26:36.160
>> If Jane
Elliott's lesson

00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:37.630
in discrimination changed

00:26:37.630 --> 00:26:39.070
the way these
young people feel

00:26:39.070 --> 00:26:40.959
about discrimination
and racism,

00:26:40.959 --> 00:26:44.245
it also had a totally
unexpected result.

00:26:44.245 --> 00:26:46.630
>> The second year I
did this exercise,

00:26:46.630 --> 00:26:49.390
I gave little spelling
tests, math tests,

00:26:49.390 --> 00:26:50.980
reading test, two
weeks before they

00:26:50.980 --> 00:26:52.690
exercise each day of

00:26:52.690 --> 00:26:54.830
the exercise, and
two weeks later.

00:26:54.830 --> 00:26:57.275
Almost without exception,

00:26:57.275 --> 00:26:59.260
the students scores go

00:26:59.260 --> 00:27:02.245
up on the day they're
on the top, down,

00:27:02.245 --> 00:27:03.460
on the day there
on the bottom,

00:27:03.460 --> 00:27:06.280
and then maintain
a higher level

00:27:06.280 --> 00:27:07.810
for the rest of
the year after

00:27:07.810 --> 00:27:09.610
they've been through
the exercise.

00:27:09.610 --> 00:27:11.320
We sent some
of those tests

00:27:11.320 --> 00:27:13.540
to Stanford University,

00:27:13.540 --> 00:27:15.175
to the psychology
department.

00:27:15.175 --> 00:27:17.905
They did an informal
review of them,

00:27:17.905 --> 00:27:19.330
and they said that what's

00:27:19.330 --> 00:27:20.380
happening here is kids

00:27:20.380 --> 00:27:21.790
academic ability is being

00:27:21.790 --> 00:27:23.740
changed in a
24-hour period.

00:27:23.740 --> 00:27:26.065
That isn't possible,
but it's happening.

00:27:26.065 --> 00:27:27.340
Something very strange is

00:27:27.340 --> 00:27:29.170
happening to these
children because suddenly

00:27:29.170 --> 00:27:32.245
they're finding out how
really great they are

00:27:32.245 --> 00:27:33.805
and they are responding to

00:27:33.805 --> 00:27:36.400
what they know now
they're able to do.

00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:37.720
It has happened

00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.000
consistently with
third graders.

00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:41.290
>> The film made of

00:27:41.290 --> 00:27:42.760
Jane Elliott's
third graders

00:27:42.760 --> 00:27:44.080
in 1970 has

00:27:44.080 --> 00:27:45.850
been widely used
with students and

00:27:45.850 --> 00:27:47.920
teachers and
by government,

00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:49.720
business, and labor
organizations

00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:52.195
concerned about
human relations.

00:27:52.195 --> 00:27:55.870
Perhaps the most unusual
use of it is here,

00:27:55.870 --> 00:27:58.285
at Green Haven
Correctional Facility,

00:27:58.285 --> 00:28:00.295
a maximum security prison

00:28:00.295 --> 00:28:02.020
in Stormville, New York.

00:28:02.020 --> 00:28:10.030
[NOISE]

00:28:10.030 --> 00:28:12.130
Here in a sociology course

00:28:12.130 --> 00:28:14.110
taught by
Professor Duane W.

00:28:14.110 --> 00:28:17.350
Smith of Dutchess Community
College is almost

00:28:17.350 --> 00:28:20.110
exclusively black and
Hispanic classes have

00:28:20.110 --> 00:28:23.305
been seen the film for
more than 10 years.

00:28:23.305 --> 00:28:25.825
>> What I'd like to do is

00:28:25.825 --> 00:28:27.850
introduce the subject

00:28:27.850 --> 00:28:29.650
of prejudice and
discrimination through

00:28:29.650 --> 00:28:52.278
this film called The
Eye of the Storm.

00:28:52.278 --> 00:28:59.725
>> [BACKGROUND]

00:28:59.725 --> 00:29:01.600
>> By this process really

00:29:01.600 --> 00:29:03.895
learned the meaning
of discrimination.

00:29:03.895 --> 00:29:05.440
>> Most of the children

00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.120
before the film started,

00:29:07.120 --> 00:29:08.980
they had played in
live together in

00:29:08.980 --> 00:29:11.620
harmony and
certain accident

00:29:11.620 --> 00:29:12.940
coming from the teacher

00:29:12.940 --> 00:29:14.170
and seeing that
teachers have

00:29:14.170 --> 00:29:15.775
an authoritarian figure

00:29:15.775 --> 00:29:17.410
and someone to respect,

00:29:17.410 --> 00:29:18.760
they accepted the views

00:29:18.760 --> 00:29:20.005
that was being
given to them.

00:29:20.005 --> 00:29:21.790
But I think at the end of

00:29:21.790 --> 00:29:23.695
the lesson they would
make clearly see

00:29:23.695 --> 00:29:26.215
their prejudices
and other forms

00:29:26.215 --> 00:29:28.240
of discrimination
are things that

00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.250
people build within
their minds that they're

00:29:30.250 --> 00:29:32.710
not actual
physical barriers.

00:29:32.710 --> 00:29:34.900
They say you, you
can't cross a street.

00:29:34.900 --> 00:29:37.660
>> The one kid I
could really agree

00:29:37.660 --> 00:29:41.605
with was at recess,

00:29:41.605 --> 00:29:43.855
was a brown-eyed kid.

00:29:43.855 --> 00:29:47.800
He had this inner turmoil

00:29:47.800 --> 00:29:49.975
against this
feeling of being

00:29:49.975 --> 00:29:53.140
divided or prejudice
against where he would

00:29:53.140 --> 00:29:54.940
hit another kid
that his known

00:29:54.940 --> 00:29:57.610
for so many years
in the gut.

00:29:57.610 --> 00:30:02.665
Well, he also stated
that it didn't help any,

00:30:02.665 --> 00:30:04.960
so that automatically
should be

00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.210
a lesson to every
adult in the world.

00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:09.565
Violence doesn't
help anything.

00:30:09.565 --> 00:30:11.800
This is a film that I hope

00:30:11.800 --> 00:30:13.840
my children get to see.

00:30:13.840 --> 00:30:15.685
>> Unlike New York,

00:30:15.685 --> 00:30:19.165
Iowa is 98 percent
white Anglo-Saxon.

00:30:19.165 --> 00:30:21.790
Yet even here, minority
groups account for

00:30:21.790 --> 00:30:23.080
more than 20 percent

00:30:23.080 --> 00:30:25.045
of the prison population.

00:30:25.045 --> 00:30:27.970
To make sure its prison
system employees are

00:30:27.970 --> 00:30:29.320
sensitive to the concerns

00:30:29.320 --> 00:30:30.670
of this large minority.

00:30:30.670 --> 00:30:32.710
The Iowa Department
of Corrections

00:30:32.710 --> 00:30:34.900
last fall hired
Jane Elliott

00:30:34.900 --> 00:30:37.330
to give her lesson
to some of them.

00:30:37.330 --> 00:30:39.370
The group which included

00:30:39.370 --> 00:30:41.560
prison guards and
parole officers was

00:30:41.560 --> 00:30:43.000
told only that it would be

00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.580
attending a
day-long workshop.

00:30:45.580 --> 00:30:47.695
David Stokes Barry.

00:30:47.695 --> 00:30:50.110
>> Most of our training,
you go to people,

00:30:50.110 --> 00:30:52.585
give you information
and you learn that way.

00:30:52.585 --> 00:30:53.815
>> Blue eye.

00:30:53.815 --> 00:30:55.630
>> When I first

00:30:55.630 --> 00:30:59.620
came with the sign-up

00:30:59.620 --> 00:31:02.230
and such and got
put in the group,

00:31:02.230 --> 00:31:04.000
I didn't know when

00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:05.785
I started seeing
the signs around,

00:31:05.785 --> 00:31:07.645
brown eyes only and such,

00:31:07.645 --> 00:31:09.310
I figured they were the

00:31:09.310 --> 00:31:10.960
better group because
they had a lot of

00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:13.450
spaces available and they

00:31:13.450 --> 00:31:15.490
we're known for
the blue eyes.

00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:17.500
When I got put in

00:31:17.500 --> 00:31:19.810
the blue eyes group and
put the color on and

00:31:19.810 --> 00:31:21.640
I knew well then
I was going

00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.695
to be in the deprive
group I guess.

00:31:23.695 --> 00:31:25.795
>> Okay, now you can
stay in this area.

00:31:25.795 --> 00:31:27.460
>> The workshop was

00:31:27.460 --> 00:31:29.005
supposed to begin at nine.

00:31:29.005 --> 00:31:31.300
They took the
brown eyes in

00:31:31.300 --> 00:31:32.440
about nine and then

00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.420
left us standing
in the hall.

00:31:34.420 --> 00:31:36.670
I literally stood because

00:31:36.670 --> 00:31:37.690
there weren't
enough chairs and

00:31:37.690 --> 00:31:38.890
I didn't know whether
or not I'd wanted

00:31:38.890 --> 00:31:40.480
to fight to take
a chair down,

00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:41.710
I didn't know if somebody
will come and take

00:31:41.710 --> 00:31:43.735
the chair away
from me if I did.

00:31:43.735 --> 00:31:45.910
>> While David
Stokes Barry and

00:31:45.910 --> 00:31:47.020
the other blue-eyed people

00:31:47.020 --> 00:31:49.075
waited inside the
meeting room.

00:31:49.075 --> 00:31:51.310
Jane Elliott prepared
the brown-eyed people

00:31:51.310 --> 00:31:53.440
for what was
going to happen.

00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.425
>> Now this is not
something I can do alone.

00:31:56.425 --> 00:31:58.285
This exercise won't work

00:31:58.285 --> 00:32:00.070
without your cooperation.

00:32:00.070 --> 00:32:02.965
Blue-eyed people aren't
allowed to smoke.

00:32:02.965 --> 00:32:04.390
Blue-eyed people
aren't allowed to

00:32:04.390 --> 00:32:06.010
sit in these empty chairs.

00:32:06.010 --> 00:32:07.420
Do not let a
blue-eyed person

00:32:07.420 --> 00:32:08.335
sit next to you.

00:32:08.335 --> 00:32:09.865
You know, you
can't trust them,

00:32:09.865 --> 00:32:11.875
and besides which,
they don't smell good.

00:32:11.875 --> 00:32:13.885
Everybody knows that
about blue-eyed people.

00:32:13.885 --> 00:32:15.490
You don't know
what you can catch

00:32:15.490 --> 00:32:16.900
from a blue-eyed person.

00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:19.765
>> By 9:20, I felt
some antagonism.

00:32:19.765 --> 00:32:21.280
I'm stuck out here
for 20 minutes

00:32:21.280 --> 00:32:23.215
standing, waiting.

00:32:23.215 --> 00:32:24.880
>> I still say we
always say what kind of

00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.380
reaction we'll get by,

00:32:26.380 --> 00:32:28.910
everyone just
simply going in.

00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.340
>> But he seems to
have the courage and

00:32:33.340 --> 00:32:35.200
conviction to do
a lot of talking.

00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.580
[NOISE] [BACKGROUND] Yeah.

00:32:38.100 --> 00:32:43.030
>> Opposed him by all
singing a song [NOISE].

00:32:43.030 --> 00:32:45.460
>> We Shall Overcome
[LAUGHTER].

00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:48.010
>> I need to have
you keep it down,

00:32:48.010 --> 00:32:49.480
I don't know how
many times I need

00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:50.890
to give that instruction,

00:32:50.890 --> 00:32:51.700
but you need to keep it

00:32:51.700 --> 00:32:52.900
down so you don't bother

00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:55.675
people in the workshop?

00:32:55.675 --> 00:32:58.450
I was pretty well
ticked off by the time

00:32:58.450 --> 00:33:00.520
we got taken in
[NOISE] [BACKGROUND].

00:33:00.520 --> 00:33:12.580
>> It would be

00:33:12.580 --> 00:33:14.290
to your advantage in
the future people

00:33:14.290 --> 00:33:15.700
if you get to
meetings on time,

00:33:15.700 --> 00:33:17.020
it would also be
to your advantage

00:33:17.020 --> 00:33:19.160
if you'd put
your gum away.

00:33:20.070 --> 00:33:21.985
>> I'll leave.

00:33:21.985 --> 00:33:23.350
>> Put your gum away.

00:33:23.350 --> 00:33:23.815
>> I'll leave.

00:33:23.815 --> 00:33:25.690
>> You want to get
paid for today?

00:33:25.690 --> 00:33:28.195
Well then stay but
put your gum away.

00:33:28.195 --> 00:33:29.510
>> I don't have a purse or

00:33:29.510 --> 00:33:30.580
a place to put my gum.

00:33:30.580 --> 00:33:32.140
>> I'm sure that
you are inventive

00:33:32.140 --> 00:33:34.810
enough to find a
place for the gum.

00:33:34.810 --> 00:33:36.190
Now, I'd like for you to

00:33:36.190 --> 00:33:38.185
notice where she
put her gum.

00:33:38.185 --> 00:33:40.540
You have this problem
with blue-eyed people.

00:33:40.540 --> 00:33:41.860
You give them something

00:33:41.860 --> 00:33:43.120
decent and they
just wreck it.

00:33:43.120 --> 00:33:44.680
You'll also notice that

00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:46.900
blue-eyed people spend
a lot of time playing,

00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:48.550
look at me, see
how cute I am.

00:33:48.550 --> 00:33:50.575
I can be funny. I can
make a joke of this.

00:33:50.575 --> 00:33:52.655
This is amusing.
I'm amused by this.

00:33:52.655 --> 00:33:54.390
Another thing that
is obvious about

00:33:54.390 --> 00:33:55.260
blue-eyed people is that

00:33:55.260 --> 00:33:56.250
they are poor listeners.

00:33:56.250 --> 00:33:57.450
The first thing
you have to do

00:33:57.450 --> 00:33:58.890
when you're teaching in

00:33:58.890 --> 00:34:00.120
a segregated
situation when

00:34:00.120 --> 00:34:02.145
you're working in a
segregated situation

00:34:02.145 --> 00:34:05.575
is teach the
listening skills.

00:34:05.575 --> 00:34:08.140
The listening skills
are number 1.

00:34:08.140 --> 00:34:09.805
Good listeners
have quiet hands,

00:34:09.805 --> 00:34:11.755
feet, and mouths.

00:34:11.755 --> 00:34:14.650
Everyone needs to
write these down.

00:34:14.650 --> 00:34:16.480
I'd like for you to
look at the man in

00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.305
the back, in the
black jacket.

00:34:19.305 --> 00:34:22.545
The game we're playing
is playing it cool.

00:34:22.545 --> 00:34:24.270
This is a favorite
blue-eyed

00:34:24.270 --> 00:34:25.665
game, playing it cool.

00:34:25.665 --> 00:34:27.665
Nobody can bother me, man,

00:34:27.665 --> 00:34:30.280
I can handle this. I
don't have to do this.

00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.125
I'm going to ignore
this whole thing.

00:34:32.125 --> 00:34:34.600
Number 2, good listeners

00:34:34.600 --> 00:34:35.350
keep their eyes on

00:34:35.350 --> 00:34:37.520
the person who
is speaking.

00:34:38.610 --> 00:34:42.153
I take it you don't
have a pencil?

00:34:42.153 --> 00:34:42.700
>> Yeah.

00:34:42.700 --> 00:34:43.480
>> Nor you?

00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:44.170
>> No.

00:34:44.170 --> 00:34:45.730
>> Perhaps you could
borrow one from

00:34:45.730 --> 00:34:47.380
one of your neighbors.

00:34:47.380 --> 00:34:49.390
Sir, I realized that you

00:34:49.390 --> 00:34:51.370
feel that you don't
need to write it down.

00:34:51.370 --> 00:34:52.750
Whether or not you
write it down,

00:34:52.750 --> 00:34:54.730
perhaps you could
remember it.

00:34:54.730 --> 00:34:55.180
[OVERLAPPING]

00:34:55.180 --> 00:34:56.950
Good listeners
have quiet hands,

00:34:56.950 --> 00:34:57.550
feet, and mouths.

00:34:57.550 --> 00:34:58.825
Do you know what
that means?

00:34:58.825 --> 00:35:00.145
>> I'm not sure.

00:35:00.145 --> 00:35:01.300
>> I believe that.

00:35:01.300 --> 00:35:02.980
Do you want me to
explain it to you?

00:35:02.980 --> 00:35:04.390
>> That's okay, I'll
get a pencil and

00:35:04.390 --> 00:35:06.100
write this down directly.

00:35:06.100 --> 00:35:07.825
>> Look blue-eyed people

00:35:07.825 --> 00:35:09.580
many of you have pencils.

00:35:09.580 --> 00:35:10.990
Will one of you
please lend him

00:35:10.990 --> 00:35:13.165
a pencil or don't
you trust him?

00:35:13.165 --> 00:35:15.550
Which I can understand.

00:35:15.550 --> 00:35:17.605
From the last 10 minutes,

00:35:17.605 --> 00:35:18.460
what have you observed

00:35:18.460 --> 00:35:19.840
about blue-eyed people?

00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.015
>> Blue-eyed people
are very stubborn,

00:35:22.015 --> 00:35:24.640
very self-centered,
and wish to

00:35:24.640 --> 00:35:26.050
control as much of

00:35:26.050 --> 00:35:27.700
their surroundings
as possible.

00:35:27.700 --> 00:35:29.425
People that wise, I mean,

00:35:29.425 --> 00:35:31.390
very inconsiderate
people I don't even

00:35:31.390 --> 00:35:32.050
know why you're
have them here

00:35:32.050 --> 00:35:33.355
in the first place.

00:35:33.355 --> 00:35:35.290
>> We have them
here because we

00:35:35.290 --> 00:35:36.865
are required to
have them here.

00:35:36.865 --> 00:35:37.690
>> We have to?

00:35:37.690 --> 00:35:39.280
>> This is one

00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.305
of the things you
have to put up with.

00:35:41.305 --> 00:35:44.485
Number 3, good listeners

00:35:44.485 --> 00:35:47.780
listen from the beginning
to the very end.

00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:58.430
Good listeners decide
to learn something.

00:36:00.030 --> 00:36:01.870
This is the thing you'll

00:36:01.870 --> 00:36:03.040
have the most
difficulty with,

00:36:03.040 --> 00:36:04.570
with blue-eyed
people, they

00:36:04.570 --> 00:36:07.150
decide not to
learn something.

00:36:07.150 --> 00:36:08.920
Some of you have
had trouble with

00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:10.780
blue-eyed people in
your home environments.

00:36:10.780 --> 00:36:11.770
Some of you have
had trouble with

00:36:11.770 --> 00:36:12.940
blue-eyed people
in your workplace.

00:36:12.940 --> 00:36:14.800
Does anybody have
an example of that,

00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.775
that they'd like to
talk about? Anyone?

00:36:18.775 --> 00:36:21.010
>> I have two
nephews, one's

00:36:21.010 --> 00:36:23.080
blue-eye and
one's brown eye

00:36:23.080 --> 00:36:24.850
and the blue one
like he never

00:36:24.850 --> 00:36:27.890
cleans his room and
he's really lazy,

00:36:28.410 --> 00:36:30.505
he doesn't seem
to have a lot of

00:36:30.505 --> 00:36:32.410
energy, the blue eyed one.

00:36:32.410 --> 00:36:35.410
But the brown eyed
one he's outgoing and

00:36:35.410 --> 00:36:36.610
he plays in sports and

00:36:36.610 --> 00:36:38.635
then he's pretty
good at it.

00:36:38.635 --> 00:36:41.545
He just seems like
a better kid.

00:36:41.545 --> 00:36:44.320
If I have kids, I hope
they have brown eyes.

00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:45.310
>> Are you barren?

00:36:45.310 --> 00:36:46.135
>> No.

00:36:46.135 --> 00:36:47.170
>> Then it's a good thing

00:36:47.170 --> 00:36:48.190
you don't have kids.

00:36:48.190 --> 00:36:49.660
You will know what to do

00:36:49.660 --> 00:36:52.450
when you choose a mate.

00:36:52.450 --> 00:36:53.545
>> Right.

00:36:53.545 --> 00:36:55.150
>> Would you like
to read that first

00:36:55.150 --> 00:36:56.905
listening skill to me?

00:36:56.905 --> 00:36:59.200
>> I haven't got
all my paper yet.

00:36:59.200 --> 00:37:01.400
>> Oh, why is that?

00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.840
>> I have to
borrow the pencils

00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:06.205
write it down as yet.

00:37:06.205 --> 00:37:08.935
>> You think it's
unnecessary?

00:37:08.935 --> 00:37:12.175
>> At this particular
point, yes, I do.

00:37:12.175 --> 00:37:13.670
>> Why?

00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.575
>> I have it in my head,

00:37:20.575 --> 00:37:22.420
for the most part
[inaudible].

00:37:22.420 --> 00:37:23.470
>> There is a
lot of space up

00:37:23.470 --> 00:37:25.270
there, it isn't
their friend.

00:37:25.270 --> 00:37:28.765
Do you suppose you could
tell me what it is?

00:37:28.765 --> 00:37:30.520
>> It had something to do

00:37:30.520 --> 00:37:31.720
with keeping
your hands and

00:37:31.720 --> 00:37:34.390
feet still as I recall.

00:37:34.390 --> 00:37:35.050
>> Has something
to do with that?

00:37:35.050 --> 00:37:37.090
[LAUGHTER] I

00:37:37.090 --> 00:37:38.320
find it interesting
that you're

00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:39.430
amused by our having

00:37:39.430 --> 00:37:40.690
to stand here and wait for

00:37:40.690 --> 00:37:41.830
this man to do
something that

00:37:41.830 --> 00:37:43.720
everybody else
has already done.

00:37:43.720 --> 00:37:45.370
I find that highly

00:37:45.370 --> 00:37:48.530
interesting, stupid,
but interesting.

00:37:49.680 --> 00:37:52.990
If you are in a situation
where someone is

00:37:52.990 --> 00:37:56.620
constantly refusing to do

00:37:56.620 --> 00:37:58.855
what the people in
authority ask them to do.

00:37:58.855 --> 00:37:59.695
What do you know
about them?

00:37:59.695 --> 00:38:01.450
What do you know
about that person?

00:38:01.450 --> 00:38:03.490
>> Well, I think
it's a game with

00:38:03.490 --> 00:38:05.740
them, attention.

00:38:05.740 --> 00:38:08.440
>> Has it gained anything
for this gentleman?

00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:10.090
>> Disrespect from I

00:38:10.090 --> 00:38:11.890
think the brown
eyed people.

00:38:11.890 --> 00:38:12.820
>> Has it proven

00:38:12.820 --> 00:38:14.860
anything to brown
eyed people?

00:38:14.860 --> 00:38:17.065
>> Yeah, so this is

00:38:17.065 --> 00:38:23.270
a typical trait of
a blue eyed person.

00:38:23.430 --> 00:38:26.390
>> Now read the
second one.

00:38:28.200 --> 00:38:30.370
>> I don't have
the second one.

00:38:30.370 --> 00:38:31.210
Can I read it off her?

00:38:31.210 --> 00:38:32.320
>> You don't have
second one either.

00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:32.635
>> No.

00:38:32.635 --> 00:38:34.090
>> You were keeping
it in your head.

00:38:34.090 --> 00:38:35.665
What happened
to that plan?

00:38:35.665 --> 00:38:37.120
>> Just the first one I

00:38:37.120 --> 00:38:38.380
had in my head not
the second one.

00:38:38.380 --> 00:38:40.760
>> Oh, the other three
aren't important?

00:38:41.190 --> 00:38:45.040
>> Well, there are
probably important.

00:38:45.040 --> 00:38:46.360
>> But not important
enough for

00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:48.440
you to write down, right?

00:38:49.680 --> 00:38:51.730
>> Well, they're
important.

00:38:51.730 --> 00:38:52.990
I should have
written them down

00:38:52.990 --> 00:38:54.100
most probably.

00:38:54.100 --> 00:38:55.810
>> Most probably?

00:38:55.810 --> 00:38:58.345
Does anybody back
there knows?

00:38:58.345 --> 00:38:59.950
You don't have it
written down either?

00:38:59.950 --> 00:39:01.330
[NOISE] All should
take a look

00:39:01.330 --> 00:39:03.800
at these two so
called gentlemen.

00:39:05.580 --> 00:39:08.050
Now, we need to hear

00:39:08.050 --> 00:39:09.985
the good listening
skills from you.

00:39:09.985 --> 00:39:11.635
I don't want you
to think that

00:39:11.635 --> 00:39:13.510
I'm badgering you boys.

00:39:13.510 --> 00:39:14.740
[OVERLAPPING]

00:39:14.740 --> 00:39:16.075
>> I don't like that.

00:39:16.075 --> 00:39:18.235
>> On the other hand,

00:39:18.235 --> 00:39:19.600
you're here to
learn something.

00:39:19.600 --> 00:39:21.160
If you learn
nothing else today,

00:39:21.160 --> 00:39:22.180
it would be nice
if you would

00:39:22.180 --> 00:39:23.920
learn the
listening skills.

00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:25.420
What do you know now

00:39:25.420 --> 00:39:26.770
about blue eyed people
that you didn't

00:39:26.770 --> 00:39:30.535
know before you
came in here?

00:39:30.535 --> 00:39:32.410
>> I'm finding
I might have

00:39:32.410 --> 00:39:33.640
to explain things a

00:39:33.640 --> 00:39:35.140
bit more explicitly to

00:39:35.140 --> 00:39:36.880
a [LAUGHTER] blue
eyed person,

00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:38.890
than I would to a
brown eyed person.

00:39:38.890 --> 00:39:40.420
>> How many times
did I have to repeat

00:39:40.420 --> 00:39:42.685
the listening
skills for Roger?

00:39:42.685 --> 00:39:44.500
>> Well, brother
Roger is having

00:39:44.500 --> 00:39:45.580
a rough time
today, isn't he?

00:39:45.580 --> 00:39:49.585
[LAUGHTER] It was about
6-7 different times.

00:39:49.585 --> 00:39:51.730
>> You think that's
amusing Roger?

00:39:51.730 --> 00:39:55.520
>> Apparently it is
some what of you think.

00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.330
>> As part of
the lesson that

00:39:58.330 --> 00:40:00.010
Corrections
Department employees

00:40:00.010 --> 00:40:01.495
took a written test.

00:40:01.495 --> 00:40:04.000
>> I need these names
and the scores.

00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.270
>> I have K. R 11.

00:40:07.270 --> 00:40:07.990
>> I'm sorry I
can't hear you.

00:40:07.990 --> 00:40:09.475
>> K. R -

00:40:09.475 --> 00:40:10.705
>> Just initials.

00:40:10.705 --> 00:40:11.000
>> -11.

00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:13.555
>> Just KR, just an
initial. No last name.

00:40:13.555 --> 00:40:14.365
>> Yeah, no names.

00:40:14.365 --> 00:40:15.445
>> How many?

00:40:15.445 --> 00:40:19.360
>> Eleven, and [inaudible]

00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:21.130
or Charles. I'm not sure.

00:40:21.130 --> 00:40:22.420
>> Thank you, sir.

00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:23.410
>> Your welcome.

00:40:23.410 --> 00:40:25.850
>> Tell me the name again.

00:40:25.890 --> 00:40:27.475
>> Turban.

00:40:27.475 --> 00:40:29.185
>> You can't
read the name?

00:40:29.185 --> 00:40:30.040
>> No, I can't.

00:40:30.040 --> 00:40:31.750
I can't make it
out. [OVERLAPPING].

00:40:31.750 --> 00:40:32.940
>> [inaudible] mine.

00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:36.980
>> What's your name?

00:40:37.650 --> 00:40:40.555
>> My name is Chambers.

00:40:40.555 --> 00:40:41.980
>> First name?

00:40:41.980 --> 00:40:43.285
>> Janine.

00:40:43.285 --> 00:40:45.190
>> What was her score?

00:40:45.190 --> 00:40:46.420
>> Six.

00:40:46.420 --> 00:40:48.970
>> Next?

00:40:48.970 --> 00:40:50.755
>> E. Riley with a five.

00:40:50.755 --> 00:40:51.400
>> E?

00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:52.810
>> E. Riley.

00:40:52.810 --> 00:40:55.640
>> Would E. Riley
please stand.

00:40:59.730 --> 00:41:03.144
What you do to the
image of blues

00:41:03.144 --> 00:41:06.895
with your behavior
is unfortunate.

00:41:06.895 --> 00:41:08.530
What you three people

00:41:08.530 --> 00:41:10.285
do to the image of women,

00:41:10.285 --> 00:41:13.765
with your behavior
really makes me angry.

00:41:13.765 --> 00:41:15.850
The fact that you
do this thing and

00:41:15.850 --> 00:41:18.955
this sloppy work
reflects badly on women.

00:41:18.955 --> 00:41:22.510
I resent that doubly. Yes.

00:41:22.510 --> 00:41:24.640
>> Ma'am, I'd really
appreciate it if you'd

00:41:24.640 --> 00:41:25.810
call us by name when

00:41:25.810 --> 00:41:26.920
you say you three people,

00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:28.570
we don't know who
you're speaking to.

00:41:28.570 --> 00:41:29.710
It could be anyone here.

00:41:29.710 --> 00:41:30.970
>> My idea, if you wanted

00:41:30.970 --> 00:41:32.230
me to call you by name,

00:41:32.230 --> 00:41:34.330
you'd have put your
name on your paper.

00:41:34.330 --> 00:41:35.605
>> It's on my-.

00:41:35.605 --> 00:41:37.450
>> It was was to
be on your paper.

00:41:37.450 --> 00:41:39.190
>> You didn't see
my papers ma'am.

00:41:39.190 --> 00:41:39.320
[OVERLAPPING]

00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:40.420
>> I didn't get
your name either

00:41:40.420 --> 00:41:41.785
because it wasn't
on your paper.

00:41:41.785 --> 00:41:42.535
>> That's right.

00:41:42.535 --> 00:41:43.630
>> Now, how can one call

00:41:43.630 --> 00:41:44.680
you by your name if you

00:41:44.680 --> 00:41:45.550
don't care enough about

00:41:45.550 --> 00:41:46.720
your name to put
it on your paper.

00:41:46.720 --> 00:41:48.580
>> You don't know how
to read? [OVERLAPPING].

00:41:48.580 --> 00:41:49.975
>> Don't expect me
to worry about it,

00:41:49.975 --> 00:41:51.805
if you don't put
it on your paper.

00:41:51.805 --> 00:41:53.140
Don't sit here and say

00:41:53.140 --> 00:41:55.045
my name is
important to me,

00:41:55.045 --> 00:41:56.470
after you have just

00:41:56.470 --> 00:41:59.290
deliberately not put
it on your paper.

00:41:59.290 --> 00:41:59.710
[OVERLAPPING] You're

00:41:59.710 --> 00:42:01.870
being totally unrealistic.

00:42:01.870 --> 00:42:02.600
>> I don't remember
saying my name

00:42:02.600 --> 00:42:02.900
was important to me.

00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:03.070
I remember

00:42:03.070 --> 00:42:04.240
saying I'd like to
know who you're

00:42:04.240 --> 00:42:06.685
speaking to when
you say you three.

00:42:06.685 --> 00:42:08.815
>> Then what
should you do?

00:42:08.815 --> 00:42:12.130
>> Ask you to use my
name, which I did.

00:42:12.130 --> 00:42:13.900
>> Where should your
name have been?

00:42:13.900 --> 00:42:15.160
>> Right where it is.

00:42:15.160 --> 00:42:16.060
>> On your paper around?

00:42:16.060 --> 00:42:17.110
>> On my birth
certificate.

00:42:17.110 --> 00:42:18.250
>> Is it on your paper?

00:42:18.250 --> 00:42:19.360
>> No, ma'am.

00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:21.580
>> Where did you get
a birth certificate?

00:42:21.580 --> 00:42:23.125
>> Same place
you got yours.

00:42:23.125 --> 00:42:24.310
>> Out a slot machine,

00:42:24.310 --> 00:42:25.990
same as you did
lady. [LAUGHTER]

00:42:25.990 --> 00:42:27.070
>> I think you're probably

00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:28.330
right about your
own. [OVERLAPPING]

00:42:28.330 --> 00:42:32.080
>> At least I know who
my parents are ma'am.

00:42:32.080 --> 00:42:33.520
>> Is she being rude?

00:42:33.520 --> 00:42:34.180
>> Yes.

00:42:34.180 --> 00:42:35.290
>> She being
inconsiderate?

00:42:35.290 --> 00:42:35.710
>> Very.

00:42:35.710 --> 00:42:36.790
>> She being
uncooperative?

00:42:36.790 --> 00:42:37.180
>> Very.

00:42:37.180 --> 00:42:38.125
>> She being insultive?

00:42:38.125 --> 00:42:38.590
>> Yes.

00:42:38.590 --> 00:42:39.820
>> Are all those the
things that we've

00:42:39.820 --> 00:42:41.725
accused blue eyed
people would be?

00:42:41.725 --> 00:42:42.685
>> Yes.

00:42:42.685 --> 00:42:44.335
>> Is she proving
that we're right?

00:42:44.335 --> 00:42:46.100
>> Yes.

00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:50.485
>> Does anyone have any

00:42:50.485 --> 00:42:52.105
comments to make
at this point?

00:42:52.105 --> 00:42:53.710
>> Do you feel that there

00:42:53.710 --> 00:42:55.540
are important
blue eyed people?

00:42:55.540 --> 00:42:57.625
>> There are exceptions
to every rule.

00:42:57.625 --> 00:42:59.155
>> What are those
exceptions?

00:42:59.155 --> 00:42:59.560
>> There are

00:42:59.560 --> 00:43:02.035
a few important
blue eyed people.

00:43:02.035 --> 00:43:03.280
>> Very few?

00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:04.410
>> You said that.
[OVERLAPPING]

00:43:04.410 --> 00:43:06.760
>> Do you think that
you're one of them.

00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:07.360
>> No.

00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:08.590
>> That's good.

00:43:08.590 --> 00:43:10.360
>> Why are you
up there then?

00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:11.710
>> I'm blue-eyed,
the difference

00:43:11.710 --> 00:43:12.940
between you and me is I

00:43:12.940 --> 00:43:14.140
have a brown eyed husband

00:43:14.140 --> 00:43:15.340
and brown eyed offspring.

00:43:15.340 --> 00:43:16.420
[LAUGHTER] I've
learned how to

00:43:16.420 --> 00:43:18.670
behave in a brown
eyed society.

00:43:18.670 --> 00:43:21.085
When you can act
brown enough,

00:43:21.085 --> 00:43:23.890
then you too can
be where I am.

00:43:23.890 --> 00:43:26.200
>> I wouldn't want
to be where you are.

00:43:26.200 --> 00:43:27.475
>> Are you certain?

00:43:27.475 --> 00:43:29.620
>> Absolutely positive.

00:43:29.620 --> 00:43:30.775
>> You like where you are.

00:43:30.775 --> 00:43:32.500
>> I love where I am.

00:43:32.500 --> 00:43:34.450
>> You like it so much
that you don't even

00:43:34.450 --> 00:43:36.820
identify your self
on your paper?

00:43:36.820 --> 00:43:39.350
>> I don't need to lady.

00:43:39.630 --> 00:43:41.710
>> Her using the term

00:43:41.710 --> 00:43:42.790
lady where I'm concerned,

00:43:42.790 --> 00:43:43.900
what do you think
she's trying to do?

00:43:43.900 --> 00:43:46.105
[OVERLAPPING]
Is it ignorance

00:43:46.105 --> 00:43:48.505
or is it deliberately
insulting?

00:43:48.505 --> 00:43:49.960
>> [OVERLAPPING] I
wouldn't say it was

00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:51.445
deliberately insulting.

00:43:51.445 --> 00:43:52.720
>> If it's ignorance,

00:43:52.720 --> 00:43:54.520
she needs to be taught,

00:43:54.520 --> 00:43:56.170
that do many of us,

00:43:56.170 --> 00:43:58.645
the word lady is
a pejorative.

00:43:58.645 --> 00:43:59.650
I don't appreciate it.

00:43:59.650 --> 00:44:01.660
[OVERLAPPING] It's a put

00:44:01.660 --> 00:44:03.580
down and it's used

00:44:03.580 --> 00:44:05.335
to keep women
in their place.

00:44:05.335 --> 00:44:06.535
>> Call you by
the correct name.

00:44:06.535 --> 00:44:07.780
>> I'm sorry?

00:44:07.780 --> 00:44:09.220
>> I will call you
by your correct name

00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:11.095
after this, I
won't be kind.

00:44:11.095 --> 00:44:13.180
>> That was kindness
on your part?

00:44:13.180 --> 00:44:15.220
>> Yes, I think
calling someone

00:44:15.220 --> 00:44:16.645
a lady is a kindness.

00:44:16.645 --> 00:44:18.010
>> Then your problem
is ignorance.

00:44:18.010 --> 00:44:20.320
>> You can call me lady
anytime you'd like.

00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:21.655
>> I wouldn't
do that to you.

00:44:21.655 --> 00:44:22.750
>> Now I know
you wouldn't.

00:44:22.750 --> 00:44:24.310
>> I really wouldn't.

00:44:24.310 --> 00:44:26.395
That's part of
the problem.

00:44:26.395 --> 00:44:28.060
Is a total lack of

00:44:28.060 --> 00:44:31.645
awareness at what
sexism amounts to,

00:44:31.645 --> 00:44:34.360
and how much you
contribute to

00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.885
the sexism that keeps
you where you are.

00:44:37.885 --> 00:44:40.510
>> I like where I am lady.

00:44:40.510 --> 00:44:43.330
I did again, didn't I?

00:44:43.330 --> 00:44:43.915
>> Yes.

00:44:43.915 --> 00:44:44.950
>> I'm getting kind
of fed up with

00:44:44.950 --> 00:44:45.770
this whole bunch
of garbage.

00:44:45.770 --> 00:44:46.030
[OVERLAPPING]

00:44:46.030 --> 00:44:46.435
>> What?

00:44:46.435 --> 00:44:48.280
>> Brown eyed peoples are

00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.170
no different than we are.

00:44:50.170 --> 00:44:52.240
I hate to tell them
that they have

00:44:52.240 --> 00:44:54.190
these false
delusions and such.

00:44:54.190 --> 00:44:55.840
>> Are they being
disruptive?

00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:56.530
>> There were
trained well.

00:44:56.530 --> 00:44:58.930
>> No, you train
them very well.

00:44:58.930 --> 00:45:00.970
I think that's
what they did with

00:45:00.970 --> 00:45:02.650
the Storm Troopers
in Germany also.

00:45:02.650 --> 00:45:04.165
You guys do a
real good job,

00:45:04.165 --> 00:45:04.980
sitting up there.

00:45:04.980 --> 00:45:05.500
>> You think that
what's happening

00:45:05.500 --> 00:45:06.670
here today feels like

00:45:06.670 --> 00:45:08.665
it would have felt
in Nazi Germany?

00:45:08.665 --> 00:45:09.300
>> Yes, sure.

00:45:09.300 --> 00:45:11.230
>> Who do you think
you are in that then?

00:45:11.230 --> 00:45:12.955
>> Where do I think I am?

00:45:12.955 --> 00:45:15.890
>> If you were in Nazi
Germany, who are you?

00:45:16.110 --> 00:45:23.620
>> The Jews? [NOISE]

00:45:23.620 --> 00:45:25.570
>> After a break
for lunch,

00:45:25.570 --> 00:45:26.530
Jane Elliott helped

00:45:26.530 --> 00:45:28.405
the Corrections
Department employees

00:45:28.405 --> 00:45:30.730
analyze what had happened.

00:45:30.730 --> 00:45:32.650
>> Did you learn
anything this morning?

00:45:32.650 --> 00:45:34.150
>> I think I learned
from the experience

00:45:34.150 --> 00:45:35.830
of feeling like I
was in a glass cage,

00:45:35.830 --> 00:45:37.900
I was powerless,
there was a sense of

00:45:37.900 --> 00:45:41.560
hopelessness, I was angry.

00:45:41.560 --> 00:45:42.865
I wanted to speak
it up and yet

00:45:42.865 --> 00:45:45.070
at times I knew
if I spoke up,

00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:46.690
I'll be back
in a powerless

00:45:46.690 --> 00:45:49.520
situation, I'd
be attacked.

00:45:49.530 --> 00:45:52.045
The sense of hopelessness,

00:45:52.045 --> 00:45:52.840
oppresion [OVERLAPPING].

00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.540
>> Had you ever
experienced that before?

00:45:55.540 --> 00:45:57.610
>> I realized this
morning that there are

00:45:57.610 --> 00:45:59.290
very few times in my
life that I've ever

00:45:59.290 --> 00:46:01.480
been discriminated
against, very few.

00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.160
>> You are this
uncomfortable

00:46:03.160 --> 00:46:04.435
in an hour and a half?

00:46:04.435 --> 00:46:06.370
>> I was amazed at
how uncomfortable I

00:46:06.370 --> 00:46:08.380
was in the first
15 minutes.

00:46:08.380 --> 00:46:11.530
>> Can you empathize at
all then with blacks,

00:46:11.530 --> 00:46:13.150
minority group members
in this country?

00:46:13.150 --> 00:46:15.985
>> I'm hoping
better than before.

00:46:15.985 --> 00:46:18.040
>> We tried to
argue with you.

00:46:18.040 --> 00:46:22.420
You would use just
the mere argument as

00:46:22.420 --> 00:46:24.250
reason for us being

00:46:24.250 --> 00:46:26.935
lesser than the
brown-eyed folks.

00:46:26.935 --> 00:46:28.150
You know, you
couldn't win.

00:46:28.150 --> 00:46:29.995
>> Yeah, don't we
do that every day?

00:46:29.995 --> 00:46:32.080
>> I think some do, yeah.

00:46:32.080 --> 00:46:33.520
But I would hope that

00:46:33.520 --> 00:46:36.040
I never get so
unreasonable.

00:46:36.040 --> 00:46:37.750
The statement
you were making

00:46:37.750 --> 00:46:38.770
were groundless and

00:46:38.770 --> 00:46:39.910
such and yet we
couldn't argue

00:46:39.910 --> 00:46:41.080
with them because
if we argue,

00:46:41.080 --> 00:46:45.730
then we were argumentative
and not listening

00:46:45.730 --> 00:46:48.220
and getting into
our place and all

00:46:48.220 --> 00:46:51.625
that stuff and that
was frustrating to me,

00:46:51.625 --> 00:46:53.020
and then frustrating
to me was

00:46:53.020 --> 00:46:55.060
the other little
green tags

00:46:55.060 --> 00:46:56.395
are sitting on
their hands.

00:46:56.395 --> 00:46:58.015
My group here was,

00:46:58.015 --> 00:47:00.070
I didn't think, boisterous

00:47:00.070 --> 00:47:02.350
enough in our opposition
to the whole thing.

00:47:02.350 --> 00:47:05.510
>> Why didn't you people
support one another?

00:47:07.050 --> 00:47:09.070
The blue eyed
people on this

00:47:09.070 --> 00:47:10.840
side just sat there,

00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:12.670
and let's face it, you

00:47:12.670 --> 00:47:15.980
covered your asses, right?

00:47:16.290 --> 00:47:19.615
Why did you
just sit there?

00:47:19.615 --> 00:47:22.150
>> I think that's
symptomatic

00:47:22.150 --> 00:47:23.395
of the problem as a whole.

00:47:23.395 --> 00:47:25.750
We see that in
society in general.

00:47:25.750 --> 00:47:27.490
We see a few people
who are making lot of

00:47:27.490 --> 00:47:29.140
noise and the rest of

00:47:29.140 --> 00:47:30.340
the people sitting
back waiting

00:47:30.340 --> 00:47:31.375
to see what they're
going to do.

00:47:31.375 --> 00:47:32.530
>> Okay. As long
as I was picking

00:47:32.530 --> 00:47:33.940
on him, I was
leaving you alone?

00:47:33.940 --> 00:47:34.555
>> Right.

00:47:34.555 --> 00:47:36.055
>> I'd say a lot of people

00:47:36.055 --> 00:47:38.290
accept that they
let a few people do

00:47:38.290 --> 00:47:40.300
the fighting for
them and may stand

00:47:40.300 --> 00:47:42.460
back and if this
person's going to win,

00:47:42.460 --> 00:47:43.645
then they'll get
on this side,

00:47:43.645 --> 00:47:45.565
but if that person's
not going to win,

00:47:45.565 --> 00:47:47.560
they'll stay
back over here.

00:47:47.560 --> 00:47:49.630
That's just how it works.

00:47:49.630 --> 00:47:51.490
>> If you were in
a real situation

00:47:51.490 --> 00:47:53.650
where you had to do
something about racism,

00:47:53.650 --> 00:47:56.005
would you stand up
and be counted?

00:47:56.005 --> 00:47:57.430
>> What I would
do, I don't know.

00:47:57.430 --> 00:47:58.323
It would depend
on the exigency.

00:47:58.323 --> 00:47:58.660
[OVERLAPPING]

00:47:58.660 --> 00:47:59.440
>> But you would
do something?

00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:00.550
>> I would have
to do something.

00:48:00.550 --> 00:48:02.200
I couldn't go home tonight

00:48:02.200 --> 00:48:04.010
and face my kids
if I didn't.

00:48:04.010 --> 00:48:05.730
>> How did you
brown-eyed people

00:48:05.730 --> 00:48:07.755
feel while this
was going on?

00:48:07.755 --> 00:48:09.390
>> It was a relief it

00:48:09.390 --> 00:48:10.875
wasn't a blue-eyed person.

00:48:10.875 --> 00:48:11.790
>> Sense of relief that

00:48:11.790 --> 00:48:12.540
you had the right colour

00:48:12.540 --> 00:48:15.615
of eyes?Absolutely.

00:48:15.615 --> 00:48:17.240
>> I really understood,

00:48:17.240 --> 00:48:19.420
at least I felt
that I understood,

00:48:19.420 --> 00:48:21.565
what it was like to
be in the minority.

00:48:21.565 --> 00:48:23.200
>> Why were you angry?

00:48:23.200 --> 00:48:27.025
>> First of all, because
it was unreasonable.

00:48:27.025 --> 00:48:28.660
Secondly, because I felt

00:48:28.660 --> 00:48:30.085
discriminated against.

00:48:30.085 --> 00:48:31.975
Thirdly, I think
that all of us,

00:48:31.975 --> 00:48:33.715
everyone in this
room has dealt

00:48:33.715 --> 00:48:35.905
with discrimination
on both sides.

00:48:35.905 --> 00:48:38.950
You don't have to
be black or Jewish

00:48:38.950 --> 00:48:41.170
or Mexican or anything

00:48:41.170 --> 00:48:41.950
else to have felt

00:48:41.950 --> 00:48:43.450
discrimination
in your life,

00:48:43.450 --> 00:48:45.190
and as you
become an adult,

00:48:45.190 --> 00:48:47.110
you learn to deal

00:48:47.110 --> 00:48:49.075
with those feelings
within yourself,

00:48:49.075 --> 00:48:51.490
you learn to handle
those and when you feel

00:48:51.490 --> 00:48:53.979
yourself in a situation

00:48:53.979 --> 00:48:56.560
that you can't get out
of which we couldn't,

00:48:56.560 --> 00:48:58.570
we were captive audience.

00:48:58.570 --> 00:49:00.550
It was not a
normal situation

00:49:00.550 --> 00:49:02.140
because normally
aren't badgered.

00:49:02.140 --> 00:49:03.670
>> What if you

00:49:03.670 --> 00:49:06.470
had to spend the rest
of your life this way?

00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.850
>> I don't know how
to answer that.

00:49:09.850 --> 00:49:11.080
>> You don't wake up every

00:49:11.080 --> 00:49:13.120
morning knowing that
you're different,

00:49:13.120 --> 00:49:15.190
you wake up as a
white woman who was

00:49:15.190 --> 00:49:16.405
going to her job at

00:49:16.405 --> 00:49:17.695
eight o' clock
or whatever,

00:49:17.695 --> 00:49:18.820
for a black person is

00:49:18.820 --> 00:49:19.960
going to wake
up knowing for

00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:21.250
a minute they
get up out of

00:49:21.250 --> 00:49:21.850
the bed and look in

00:49:21.850 --> 00:49:22.825
the mirror, they're black,

00:49:22.825 --> 00:49:24.190
and they have to deal
with the problems

00:49:24.190 --> 00:49:25.300
they've had to deal
with ever since

00:49:25.300 --> 00:49:27.370
they were young and
realize that I am

00:49:27.370 --> 00:49:28.630
different and
I have to deal

00:49:28.630 --> 00:49:29.860
with life differently.

00:49:29.860 --> 00:49:32.270
Things are
different for me.

00:49:32.460 --> 00:49:34.690
I don't think you can

00:49:34.690 --> 00:49:35.995
really say that
you have felt,

00:49:35.995 --> 00:49:37.750
maybe you felt some
sort of discrimination,

00:49:37.750 --> 00:49:39.730
but you haven't
felt what it is

00:49:39.730 --> 00:49:41.800
like for a black
woman to go

00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:43.420
through the daily
experiences

00:49:43.420 --> 00:49:46.120
of arguing and saying,

00:49:46.120 --> 00:49:48.790
listen to me, my point
of view is good,

00:49:48.790 --> 00:49:50.725
what I have to
offer here is good,

00:49:50.725 --> 00:49:52.280
and no one wants
to listen.

00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:54.105
Because white is right,

00:49:54.105 --> 00:49:56.270
that's the way things are.

00:49:56.270 --> 00:49:58.480
>> I think the
necessity for

00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.430
this exercise is a crime.

00:50:00.430 --> 00:50:02.530
No, I don't want to see
it used more widely.

00:50:02.530 --> 00:50:04.270
I wanted to see
it's the necessity

00:50:04.270 --> 00:50:06.340
for it wiped out
and I think if

00:50:06.340 --> 00:50:08.825
educators were
determined that we could

00:50:08.825 --> 00:50:10.860
be very instrumental
in wiping

00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:13.115
out the necessity
for this exercise.

00:50:13.115 --> 00:50:16.030
But I want to see
something used.

00:50:16.030 --> 00:50:18.070
I'd like to see this
exercise used with

00:50:18.070 --> 00:50:20.890
all teachers, all
administrators,

00:50:20.890 --> 00:50:22.120
but certainly not with all

00:50:22.120 --> 00:50:24.340
students unless it's done

00:50:24.340 --> 00:50:25.630
by people who
are doing it for

00:50:25.630 --> 00:50:28.015
the right reasons and
in the right way.

00:50:28.015 --> 00:50:29.800
I think you could
damage a child with

00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.260
this exercise
very, very easily.

00:50:32.260 --> 00:50:34.630
I would never suggest

00:50:34.630 --> 00:50:36.500
that everybody
should use it.

00:50:36.500 --> 00:50:38.760
I think you could have

00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:40.230
training classes
for teachers,

00:50:40.230 --> 00:50:42.120
bring them in, put them
through the thing,

00:50:42.120 --> 00:50:44.370
explain what happened,
do the debriefing,

00:50:44.370 --> 00:50:47.055
and then practice
doing this until

00:50:47.055 --> 00:50:49.335
a group of teachers

00:50:49.335 --> 00:50:51.780
were able to do it on
their own, and I did.

00:50:51.780 --> 00:50:55.875
Teachers are not
disabled learners,

00:50:55.875 --> 00:50:58.170
they could learn to
do this, obviously.

00:50:58.170 --> 00:51:00.420
If I can do it, most
anyone can do it.

00:51:00.420 --> 00:51:01.740
It doesn't make
a super teacher

00:51:01.740 --> 00:51:03.590
to do this exercise.

00:51:03.590 --> 00:51:05.530
>> What began in a third

00:51:05.530 --> 00:51:07.510
grade classroom has spread

00:51:07.510 --> 00:51:09.805
from students to teachers,

00:51:09.805 --> 00:51:11.665
to corrections officers.

00:51:11.665 --> 00:51:13.450
At the center, is still

00:51:13.450 --> 00:51:15.400
a single teacher
determined

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to inoculate her students,

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both young and old,

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against the virus
of bigotry.

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>> After you do
this exercise,

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when the
debriefing starts,

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when the pain is over
and you're all back

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together and you're
all one again,

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you find out how
society could

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be if we really

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believed all this
stuff that we preach,

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if we really
acted that way.

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You could feel as good
about one another as

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those kids feel
about one another

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after this
exercise is over,

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you create
instant cousins.

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I thought maybe that

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lasted just while
they were in

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my classroom because of

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my superior influence.

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But indeed,
these kids still

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feel that way
about one another.

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They said yesterday over

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and over the
remark was made,

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We're kind of like
a family now.

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They found out how
to hurt one another,

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and they found out
how it feels to

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be hurt in that way,

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and they refuse to
hurt one another

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that way again,
and they said,

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We're kind of like
a family now,

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and indeed we were.

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