1 00:00:02,900 --> 00:00:05,400 >> [NOISE] Twenty seven years ago when 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,680 civil rights leader Martin Luther King Junior 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,700 was assassinated, 4 00:00:08,700 --> 00:00:11,085 [NOISE] grief and frustration 5 00:00:11,085 --> 00:00:12,870 erupted in America's cities. 6 00:00:12,870 --> 00:00:18,575 [NOISE] Far away in Iowa, 7 00:00:18,575 --> 00:00:20,130 one third grade teacher 8 00:00:20,130 --> 00:00:22,305 knew she had to do something. 9 00:00:22,305 --> 00:00:24,150 >> The shooting of Martin Luther King, 10 00:00:24,150 --> 00:00:25,170 could not just be talked 11 00:00:25,170 --> 00:00:26,190 about, and explained away. 12 00:00:26,190 --> 00:00:27,720 There was no way to explain this to 13 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,595 little third graders in Riceville, Iowa. 14 00:00:29,595 --> 00:00:31,050 I knew that it was time to 15 00:00:31,050 --> 00:00:32,520 deal with this in a concrete way, 16 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:33,560 not just talk about it. 17 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,860 Because we had talked about 18 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:37,710 racism since the first day of school. 19 00:00:37,710 --> 00:00:39,510 [MUSIC]. 20 00:00:39,510 --> 00:00:42,090 >> This is a fact, blue-eyed people 21 00:00:42,090 --> 00:00:44,550 are better than brown-eyed people. 22 00:00:44,550 --> 00:00:47,585 >> It was a daring experiment in prejudice. 23 00:00:47,585 --> 00:00:49,669 >> I watched wonderful, 24 00:00:49,669 --> 00:00:53,600 thoughtful children turn into nasty, 25 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,850 vicious, discriminating, 26 00:00:55,850 --> 00:00:58,589 [LAUGHTER] little third graders. 27 00:00:58,589 --> 00:01:00,870 >> Can one teacher in one day 28 00:01:00,870 --> 00:01:04,005 change the lives of her students forever? 29 00:01:04,005 --> 00:01:07,630 Tonight, A Class Divided. 30 00:01:11,210 --> 00:01:14,580 >> [BACKGROUND] August 1984, 31 00:01:14,580 --> 00:01:16,320 a high school reunion brings 32 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:19,750 some 50 former students to Riceville Iowa. 33 00:01:19,750 --> 00:01:21,440 Eleven of them, some with 34 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,045 their spouses and children, 35 00:01:23,045 --> 00:01:25,850 arrive early for a special reunion with 36 00:01:25,850 --> 00:01:33,542 their former 3rd grade teacher, Jane Elliott. 37 00:01:33,542 --> 00:01:34,850 >> [LAUGHTER] [inaudible] 38 00:01:34,850 --> 00:01:35,930 >> This is my husband Tom. 39 00:01:35,930 --> 00:01:37,800 >> Tom. Brian? [LAUGHTER] 40 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,710 >> I don't have one. 41 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:43,080 >> How are you? 42 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:43,870 >> I'm fine. Roy Wilson. 43 00:01:43,870 --> 00:01:45,760 >> I made it. 44 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,660 >> You darling. 45 00:01:47,660 --> 00:01:50,580 >> It's been long time [inaudible] 14 years. 46 00:01:50,580 --> 00:01:51,510 >> I'm so glad 47 00:01:51,510 --> 00:01:52,440 to see you [BACKGROUND] [OVERLAPPING]. 48 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:53,680 >> [BACKGROUND] How are you doing? 49 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,470 It's been a long time since I've seen you. 50 00:01:56,470 --> 00:01:57,775 >> Yeah. It has been 51 00:01:57,775 --> 00:02:01,290 >> Where are your little ones? 52 00:02:01,290 --> 00:02:02,790 >> They are at home with mom. 53 00:02:02,790 --> 00:02:04,710 >> This is your husband? 54 00:02:04,710 --> 00:02:05,580 >> Yeah, that's Greg. 55 00:02:05,580 --> 00:02:06,270 >> Mr 56 00:02:06,270 --> 00:02:07,425 >> Greg Rollin 57 00:02:07,425 --> 00:02:09,210 >> Greg Rollin. Nice to meet you. 58 00:02:09,210 --> 00:02:10,455 >> Fourteen years earlier, 59 00:02:10,455 --> 00:02:11,550 when they were students in 60 00:02:11,550 --> 00:02:13,155 her 3rd grade classroom, 61 00:02:13,155 --> 00:02:14,755 ABC News filmed 62 00:02:14,755 --> 00:02:17,480 a two-day exercise for a documentary, 63 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,355 The Eye of the Storm. 64 00:02:19,355 --> 00:02:21,725 Now at their request, 65 00:02:21,725 --> 00:02:24,230 they will see that film again and relive 66 00:02:24,230 --> 00:02:26,450 the experience of her unique lesson 67 00:02:26,450 --> 00:02:27,770 in discrimination. 68 00:02:27,770 --> 00:02:43,980 [MUSIC] 69 00:02:43,980 --> 00:02:45,080 >> This is a special week. 70 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:45,950 Does anybody know what it is? 71 00:02:45,950 --> 00:02:46,970 >> National Brotherhood Week 72 00:02:46,970 --> 00:02:48,530 >> National Brotherhood Week. 73 00:02:48,530 --> 00:02:49,715 What's brotherhood? 74 00:02:49,715 --> 00:02:51,455 >> Be kind to your brothers? 75 00:02:51,455 --> 00:02:54,125 >> Be kind to your brothers. 76 00:02:54,125 --> 00:02:56,100 >> Like you would like to be treated. 77 00:02:56,100 --> 00:02:57,020 >> Treat everyone the way 78 00:02:57,020 --> 00:02:57,980 you would like to be treated. 79 00:02:57,980 --> 00:03:02,705 Treat everyone as though he was your brother. 80 00:03:02,705 --> 00:03:05,420 Is there anyone in this United States 81 00:03:05,420 --> 00:03:07,385 that we do not treat as our brothers? 82 00:03:07,385 --> 00:03:07,970 >> Yeah. 83 00:03:07,970 --> 00:03:08,870 >> Who? 84 00:03:08,870 --> 00:03:09,680 >> Black people. 85 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,705 >> The black people. Who else? 86 00:03:11,705 --> 00:03:13,090 >> Indians. 87 00:03:13,090 --> 00:03:15,510 >> Absolutely, the Indians. 88 00:03:15,510 --> 00:03:17,850 When many people see a black person, 89 00:03:17,850 --> 00:03:18,900 or a yellow person, or 90 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:22,030 a red person, what do they think? 91 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:26,205 >> [BACKGROUND] Look at the dumb people. 92 00:03:26,205 --> 00:03:27,300 >> Look at the dumb people. 93 00:03:27,300 --> 00:03:28,560 What else do they think sometimes? 94 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,945 What things do they say about black people? 95 00:03:30,945 --> 00:03:34,365 >> They call them Negros, niggers. 96 00:03:34,365 --> 00:03:35,820 >> In the city, 97 00:03:35,820 --> 00:03:38,310 many places in the United States, 98 00:03:38,310 --> 00:03:40,130 how are black people treated? 99 00:03:40,130 --> 00:03:41,420 How are Indians treated? 100 00:03:41,420 --> 00:03:42,560 How are people who are of 101 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,585 a different color than we are treated? 102 00:03:44,585 --> 00:03:46,670 >> Like they're not part of this world. 103 00:03:46,670 --> 00:03:49,340 They don't get anything in this world. 104 00:03:49,340 --> 00:03:50,420 >> Why is that? 105 00:03:50,420 --> 00:03:52,165 >> Because they are a different color. 106 00:03:52,165 --> 00:03:53,820 >> Do you think you know how it would 107 00:03:53,820 --> 00:03:56,520 be judged by the color of your skin? 108 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:57,015 >> Yeah. 109 00:03:57,015 --> 00:03:59,660 >> Do you think you do? No, I don't think 110 00:03:59,660 --> 00:04:01,040 you'd know how that felt unless 111 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,065 you had been through it, would you? 112 00:04:03,065 --> 00:04:05,270 It might be interesting to judge 113 00:04:05,270 --> 00:04:06,890 people today by the color 114 00:04:06,890 --> 00:04:11,045 of their eyes. Would you like to try this? 115 00:04:11,045 --> 00:04:11,690 >> Yeah. 116 00:04:11,690 --> 00:04:13,235 >> Sounds like fun, doesn't it? 117 00:04:13,235 --> 00:04:17,270 Since I'm the teacher and I have blue eyes, 118 00:04:17,270 --> 00:04:19,370 I think maybe the blue-eyed people should 119 00:04:19,370 --> 00:04:22,500 be on top the first day. 120 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,115 >> Up here? 121 00:04:25,115 --> 00:04:27,845 >> The blue-eyed people 122 00:04:27,845 --> 00:04:31,020 are the better people in this room. 123 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,000 Yes, they are. Blue-eyed people 124 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,740 are smarter than brown-eyed people? 125 00:04:37,740 --> 00:04:39,510 [LAUGHTER]. 126 00:04:39,510 --> 00:04:41,880 >> My dad isn't that stupid. 127 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,050 >> Is your dad brown-eyed? 128 00:04:43,050 --> 00:04:43,770 >> Yeah. 129 00:04:43,770 --> 00:04:45,380 >> One day you came to school and 130 00:04:45,380 --> 00:04:47,425 you told us that he kicked you? 131 00:04:47,425 --> 00:04:48,660 >> He did. 132 00:04:48,660 --> 00:04:50,390 >> Do you think a blue-eyed father 133 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:52,150 would kick his son? 134 00:04:52,150 --> 00:04:56,820 >> Yeah [OVERLAPPING]. 135 00:04:56,820 --> 00:04:58,200 >> My dad is 136 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,580 blue-eyed he's never kicked me [LAUGHTER]. 137 00:04:59,580 --> 00:04:59,980 >> Ray's dad is blue-eyed, 138 00:04:59,980 --> 00:05:00,640 he's never kicked him [LAUGHTER]. 139 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,740 >> Rex's dad is blue-eyed 140 00:05:01,740 --> 00:05:04,120 he's never kicked him. 141 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,320 This is a fact. 142 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,660 Blue-eyed people are 143 00:05:08,660 --> 00:05:11,670 better than brown-eyed people. 144 00:05:12,430 --> 00:05:14,975 Are you brown-eyed or blue-eyed? 145 00:05:14,975 --> 00:05:15,805 >> Blue. 146 00:05:15,805 --> 00:05:18,135 >> Why are you shaking your head? 147 00:05:18,135 --> 00:05:21,630 >> I don't know [LAUGHTER] 148 00:05:21,630 --> 00:05:24,160 >> Are you sure that you're right? 149 00:05:25,090 --> 00:05:26,600 Why? 150 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:27,879 What makes you so sure that you're right? 151 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:28,060 [LAUGHTER]. 152 00:05:28,060 --> 00:05:30,420 >> I don't know. 153 00:05:30,420 --> 00:05:31,970 >> The blue-eyed people get 154 00:05:31,970 --> 00:05:34,715 five extra minutes of recess, 155 00:05:34,715 --> 00:05:37,950 while the brown-eyed people have to stay in. 156 00:05:40,510 --> 00:05:42,770 The brown-eyed people do 157 00:05:42,770 --> 00:05:45,275 not get to use the drinking fountain. 158 00:05:45,275 --> 00:05:47,970 You'll have to use the paper cups. 159 00:05:48,220 --> 00:05:50,690 You brown-eyed people are 160 00:05:50,690 --> 00:05:52,880 not to play with the blue-eyed people 161 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,830 on the playground because you are 162 00:05:54,830 --> 00:05:57,155 not as good as blue-eyed people. 163 00:05:57,155 --> 00:05:58,850 The brown-eyed people in this room 164 00:05:58,850 --> 00:06:00,810 today are going to wear collars, 165 00:06:00,810 --> 00:06:03,385 so that we can tell from a distance 166 00:06:03,385 --> 00:06:07,180 what color your eyes are. 167 00:06:07,180 --> 00:06:16,025 On page 127. Is everyone ready? 168 00:06:16,025 --> 00:06:20,040 Everyone but Laurie. Ready, Laurie? 169 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,275 >> She's a brown-eyed. 170 00:06:21,275 --> 00:06:23,425 >> She's a brown-eyed. 171 00:06:23,425 --> 00:06:25,900 You'll begin to notice today that we spend 172 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:27,160 a great deal of time 173 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,450 waiting for brown-eyed people. 174 00:06:30,750 --> 00:06:33,355 The yardstick's gone. 175 00:06:33,355 --> 00:06:35,430 I don't see the yardstick, do you? 176 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:36,120 >> It's probably over there. 177 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,030 >> Hey, Mrs. Elliot, 178 00:06:39,030 --> 00:06:41,040 you better keep that on your desk so if 179 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,865 the brown-eyed people get out of hand. 180 00:06:44,865 --> 00:06:47,010 >> Oh, you think 181 00:06:47,010 --> 00:06:48,540 if the brown-eyed people get out of hand, 182 00:06:48,540 --> 00:06:51,230 that would be thing to use? 183 00:06:51,230 --> 00:06:52,200 >> No. 184 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,610 >> Who goes first to lunch? 185 00:06:53,610 --> 00:06:53,940 >> The blue eyes. 186 00:06:53,940 --> 00:06:56,000 >> The blue-eyed people. 187 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,105 No brown-eyed people go back for seconds. 188 00:06:59,105 --> 00:07:01,280 Blue-eyed people may go back for seconds. 189 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:02,510 Brown-eyed people do not. 190 00:07:02,510 --> 00:07:03,080 >> Why not the brown-eyed? 191 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,145 >> Don't you know? 192 00:07:04,145 --> 00:07:06,170 >> They're not smart. 193 00:07:06,170 --> 00:07:07,940 >> Is that the only reason? 194 00:07:07,940 --> 00:07:09,200 >> Afraid they'll take too much. 195 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,950 >> Might take too much [NOISE]. 196 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:20,090 Quietly now, not a sound. 197 00:07:20,090 --> 00:07:21,170 >> [NOISE]. It seemed like when we 198 00:07:21,170 --> 00:07:22,340 were down on the bottom, 199 00:07:22,340 --> 00:07:25,285 everything bad was happening to us. 200 00:07:25,285 --> 00:07:27,450 >> The way they treated you felt 201 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:28,935 like you didn't even 202 00:07:28,935 --> 00:07:30,875 want to try to do anything. 203 00:07:30,875 --> 00:07:32,390 >> It seemed like Mrs. 204 00:07:32,390 --> 00:07:34,040 Elliot was taking our best friends 205 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:43,820 away from us [NOISE]. 206 00:07:43,820 --> 00:07:45,045 >> What happened at recess? 207 00:07:45,045 --> 00:07:46,575 Were two of you boys fighting? 208 00:07:46,575 --> 00:07:47,655 >> Yeah. 209 00:07:47,655 --> 00:07:49,290 >> Russell and John. 210 00:07:49,290 --> 00:07:50,925 >> What happened, John? 211 00:07:50,925 --> 00:07:54,060 >> Russell called me names and 212 00:07:54,060 --> 00:07:57,390 I hit him in the gut. 213 00:07:57,390 --> 00:07:59,655 >> What did he call you? 214 00:07:59,655 --> 00:08:02,250 >> Brown eyes. 215 00:08:02,250 --> 00:08:04,785 >> Did you call him brown eyes? 216 00:08:04,785 --> 00:08:07,085 >> They always call us that. 217 00:08:07,085 --> 00:08:10,420 Greg, and all of the blue eyes goes there. 218 00:08:10,420 --> 00:08:10,520 [OVERLAPPING] 219 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,505 >> You can't call us brown eyes. 220 00:08:12,505 --> 00:08:15,745 >> Come here, brown eyes. 221 00:08:15,745 --> 00:08:18,260 >> [inaudible] call us blue eyes. 222 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,590 >> What's wrong with being called brown-eyed? 223 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,620 >> It means that we're 224 00:08:26,620 --> 00:08:28,615 stupid or mean like that. 225 00:08:28,615 --> 00:08:31,870 >> That's just the same way 226 00:08:31,870 --> 00:08:35,710 as other people calling Black people niggers. 227 00:08:35,710 --> 00:08:36,430 >> Yeah. 228 00:08:36,430 --> 00:08:38,050 >> Is that's the reason you hit him, John? 229 00:08:38,050 --> 00:08:40,810 [NOISE] Did it help? 230 00:08:40,810 --> 00:08:43,150 [NOISE] Did it stop him? 231 00:08:43,150 --> 00:08:47,140 [NOISE] Did it make you feel better inside? 232 00:08:47,140 --> 00:08:48,190 [BACKGROUND] 233 00:08:48,190 --> 00:08:51,220 Does it make you feel better inside? 234 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:53,530 [NOISE] It make you 235 00:08:53,530 --> 00:08:55,870 feel better to call him brown eyes? 236 00:08:55,870 --> 00:08:59,270 Why do you suppose you call him brown eyes? 237 00:08:59,550 --> 00:09:01,885 >> Well, because he has brown eyes. 238 00:09:01,885 --> 00:09:03,220 >> Is that the only reason? 239 00:09:03,220 --> 00:09:04,570 You didn't call him brown eyes yesterday, 240 00:09:04,570 --> 00:09:06,760 and he had brown eyes yesterday, didn't he? 241 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:06,860 [OVERLAPPING] 242 00:09:06,860 --> 00:09:08,710 >> Because you said to 243 00:09:08,710 --> 00:09:10,960 put those blue things on their neck. 244 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,155 >> They tease them. You can't tease them. 245 00:09:13,155 --> 00:09:14,355 >> Is this teasing? 246 00:09:14,355 --> 00:09:15,930 >> No. 247 00:09:15,930 --> 00:09:17,700 >> Well, he did it once. 248 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:18,990 >> Were you doing it for fun, 249 00:09:18,990 --> 00:09:22,780 to be funny, or were you doing it to be mean? 250 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,905 >> I don't know. Don't ask me. 251 00:09:29,905 --> 00:09:31,510 Did anyone laugh at you when you do? 252 00:09:31,510 --> 00:09:34,735 I watched what had been marvelous. 253 00:09:34,735 --> 00:09:36,730 Cooperative, wonderful, 254 00:09:36,730 --> 00:09:41,590 thoughtful children turn into nasty, 255 00:09:41,590 --> 00:09:47,560 vicious, discriminating little 3rd 256 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:50,425 graders in a space of 15 minutes. 257 00:09:50,425 --> 00:09:52,300 Yesterday, I told you that 258 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:53,650 brown-eyed people aren't as 259 00:09:53,650 --> 00:09:55,045 good as blue-eyed people. 260 00:09:55,045 --> 00:09:56,470 That wasn't true. 261 00:09:56,470 --> 00:09:58,540 I lied to you yesterday. 262 00:09:58,540 --> 00:10:03,655 [BACKGROUND] The truth is 263 00:10:03,655 --> 00:10:05,530 that brown-eyed people are 264 00:10:05,530 --> 00:10:07,120 better than blue-eyed people. 265 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:13,180 [LAUGHTER] Russell, where are your glasses? 266 00:10:13,180 --> 00:10:14,830 >> I forgot them. 267 00:10:14,830 --> 00:10:16,330 >> You forgot them? 268 00:10:16,330 --> 00:10:17,980 What color are your eyes? 269 00:10:17,980 --> 00:10:20,380 >> Blue. [LAUGHTER] 270 00:10:20,380 --> 00:10:23,950 >> Susan Ginder has brown eyes. 271 00:10:23,950 --> 00:10:25,569 She didn't forget her glasses. 272 00:10:25,569 --> 00:10:28,510 [BACKGROUND] Russell Ring has 273 00:10:28,510 --> 00:10:30,160 blue eyes and what about his glasses? 274 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,540 >> He forgot them. 275 00:10:31,540 --> 00:10:33,325 >> He forgot them. 276 00:10:33,325 --> 00:10:35,440 Yesterday, we were visiting 277 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:36,880 and Greg said, "Boy, 278 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,050 I like to hit 279 00:10:38,050 --> 00:10:40,210 my little sister as hard as I can. 280 00:10:40,210 --> 00:10:41,280 That's fun." 281 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,540 [LAUGHTER] What does that 282 00:10:43,540 --> 00:10:45,310 tell you about blue-eyed people? 283 00:10:45,310 --> 00:10:48,325 >> They're naughty. They fight a lot. 284 00:10:48,325 --> 00:10:50,544 >> The brown-eyed people 285 00:10:50,544 --> 00:10:53,410 may take off their collars, 286 00:10:53,410 --> 00:10:55,330 and each of you may put 287 00:10:55,330 --> 00:10:57,610 your collar on a blue-eyed person. 288 00:10:57,610 --> 00:11:02,380 [NOISE] The brown-eyed people 289 00:11:02,380 --> 00:11:05,365 get five extra minutes of recess. 290 00:11:05,365 --> 00:11:08,740 You blue-eyed people are not allowed to 291 00:11:08,740 --> 00:11:12,790 be on playground equipment at any time. 292 00:11:12,790 --> 00:11:14,950 You blue-eyed people are 293 00:11:14,950 --> 00:11:17,395 not to play with the brown-eyed people. 294 00:11:17,395 --> 00:11:19,165 Brown-eyed people are 295 00:11:19,165 --> 00:11:21,070 better than blue-eyed people. 296 00:11:21,070 --> 00:11:23,740 They're smarter than blue-eyed people, 297 00:11:23,740 --> 00:11:27,400 and if you don't believe it, look at Brian. 298 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,710 Do blue-eyed people know how 299 00:11:29,710 --> 00:11:32,095 to sit in a chair? 300 00:11:32,095 --> 00:11:34,300 Very sad. 301 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:36,040 Very, very sad. 302 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,790 [NOISE] Who can tell 303 00:11:39,790 --> 00:11:40,750 me what contraction should 304 00:11:40,750 --> 00:11:41,530 be in the first sentence. 305 00:11:41,530 --> 00:11:42,700 Go to the board and write it, John. 306 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:44,350 [LAUGHTER] Come on, 307 00:11:44,350 --> 00:11:46,165 let's do it again. Loosen up. 308 00:11:46,165 --> 00:11:48,505 Up, up, up. Come on. 309 00:11:48,505 --> 00:11:49,660 That's better. 310 00:11:49,660 --> 00:11:51,175 Now, do you know how to make a W? 311 00:11:51,175 --> 00:11:54,170 Okay, write the contraction for we are. 312 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:59,785 Now, that's beautiful writing. 313 00:11:59,785 --> 00:12:01,105 Is that better? 314 00:12:01,105 --> 00:12:02,275 >> Yeah. 315 00:12:02,275 --> 00:12:04,600 >> Brown-eyed people learn fast, don't they? 316 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,300 Boy, do brown-eyed people learn fast. 317 00:12:07,300 --> 00:12:08,770 Very good. 318 00:12:08,770 --> 00:12:19,400 [NOISE] Greg, what did you do with that cup? 319 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:22,000 Will you please go, 320 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,970 [LAUGHTER] and get that cup 321 00:12:24,970 --> 00:12:26,680 and put your name on 322 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,720 it and keep it at your desk. 323 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,340 Blue-eyed people are wasteful. 324 00:12:30,340 --> 00:12:35,120 [NOISE] You want to be timed this morning? 325 00:12:37,050 --> 00:12:38,240 >> Yeah. [NOISE] 326 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,400 >> I use Orton-Gillingham phonics. 327 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,260 We used the card pack. 328 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:43,330 The brown-eyed children were 329 00:12:43,330 --> 00:12:44,980 the low class the first day, 330 00:12:44,980 --> 00:12:46,570 and it took them five and a half minutes 331 00:12:46,570 --> 00:12:48,025 to get through the card pack. 332 00:12:48,025 --> 00:12:49,390 The second day, it took 333 00:12:49,390 --> 00:12:51,145 them two and a half minutes. 334 00:12:51,145 --> 00:12:52,930 The only thing that had 335 00:12:52,930 --> 00:12:54,520 changed was the fact that now, 336 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,750 they were superior people. 337 00:12:55,750 --> 00:12:58,030 [BACKGROUND] You went faster 338 00:12:58,030 --> 00:12:59,065 than I ever had 339 00:12:59,065 --> 00:13:01,090 anyone go through the card pack? 340 00:13:01,090 --> 00:13:03,160 [LAUGHTER] Why couldn't 341 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,345 you get them yesterday? 342 00:13:04,345 --> 00:13:05,815 >> We were brown-eyed. 343 00:13:05,815 --> 00:13:08,290 >> We had no powers. 344 00:13:08,290 --> 00:13:10,720 >> [inaudible] block of cards. 345 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,970 >> You can see my eyes 346 00:13:12,970 --> 00:13:15,550 keep rolling around, dizzy. 347 00:13:15,550 --> 00:13:16,900 >> Oh, and you couldn't 348 00:13:16,900 --> 00:13:19,015 think as well with the colors on. 349 00:13:19,015 --> 00:13:23,425 Four minutes and 18 seconds. 350 00:13:23,425 --> 00:13:27,250 >> I know [inaudible]. 351 00:13:27,250 --> 00:13:29,170 >> How long did it take you yesterday? 352 00:13:29,170 --> 00:13:30,535 >> Three minutes. 353 00:13:30,535 --> 00:13:31,780 >> Three minutes. 354 00:13:31,780 --> 00:13:33,160 How long did it take you today? 355 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,920 >> Four minutes and 18 seconds. 356 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,015 >> What happened? 357 00:13:37,015 --> 00:13:39,110 >> Went down. 358 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,950 >> Why? 359 00:13:42,950 --> 00:13:44,815 What are you thinking of? 360 00:13:44,815 --> 00:13:46,495 >> This. 361 00:13:46,495 --> 00:13:48,955 >> I hate today. 362 00:13:48,955 --> 00:13:54,340 >> Me, too. I hate it, too [LAUGHTER] 363 00:13:54,340 --> 00:13:55,990 >> Because I'm blue-eyed. 364 00:13:55,990 --> 00:13:57,670 >> See? I am, too. 365 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:59,350 [LAUGHTER] 366 00:13:59,350 --> 00:14:00,730 >> It's not funny, it's not 367 00:14:00,730 --> 00:14:03,145 fun, it's not pleasant. 368 00:14:03,145 --> 00:14:05,080 This is a filthy, 369 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,075 nasty word called discrimination. 370 00:14:07,075 --> 00:14:09,355 We're treating people a certain way because 371 00:14:09,355 --> 00:14:10,810 they are different from the rest 372 00:14:10,810 --> 00:14:12,295 of us. Is that fair? 373 00:14:12,295 --> 00:14:13,570 >> No. 374 00:14:13,570 --> 00:14:15,115 >> Nothing fair about it. 375 00:14:15,115 --> 00:14:16,240 We didn't say this was going to be 376 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:17,485 a fair day, did we? 377 00:14:17,485 --> 00:14:18,190 >> No 378 00:14:18,190 --> 00:14:21,715 >> It isn't, it's a horrid day. 379 00:14:21,715 --> 00:14:24,745 Ready? What did you, 380 00:14:24,745 --> 00:14:26,560 people who are wearing blue colors 381 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,615 now, find out today? 382 00:14:28,615 --> 00:14:32,125 >> I know what they felt like yesterday. 383 00:14:32,125 --> 00:14:33,715 >> I knew it, too. 384 00:14:33,715 --> 00:14:36,250 >> How did they feel yesterday? 385 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:37,315 >> Down. 386 00:14:37,315 --> 00:14:39,400 >> Like a dog on a leash. 387 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,030 >> Yeah. 388 00:14:40,030 --> 00:14:43,330 >> It feels like 389 00:14:43,330 --> 00:14:44,410 you're chaining them up wherever you go. 390 00:14:44,410 --> 00:14:46,030 >> Like chaining them up in the prison, and 391 00:14:46,030 --> 00:14:47,680 you threw the key away. 392 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,210 >> Should the color of 393 00:14:49,210 --> 00:14:50,740 some other person's eyes 394 00:14:50,740 --> 00:14:52,255 have anything to do with how you treat them? 395 00:14:52,255 --> 00:14:52,990 >> No. 396 00:14:52,990 --> 00:14:53,620 >> All right then, 397 00:14:53,620 --> 00:14:55,075 should the color of their skin? 398 00:14:55,075 --> 00:14:55,490 >> No. 399 00:14:55,490 --> 00:14:56,330 >> No. 400 00:14:56,330 --> 00:14:58,120 >> Should you judge 401 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,255 people by the color of their skin? 402 00:15:01,255 --> 00:15:01,510 >> No. 403 00:15:01,510 --> 00:15:02,815 >> No. 404 00:15:02,815 --> 00:15:04,780 >> You're going to say that 405 00:15:04,780 --> 00:15:07,810 today and this week, 406 00:15:07,810 --> 00:15:08,950 and probably all the 407 00:15:08,950 --> 00:15:10,600 time you're in this room. 408 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,810 You'll say, "No, Mrs. 409 00:15:13,810 --> 00:15:19,360 Elliot.". Every time I ask that question. 410 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,890 >> No, Mrs. Elliot. 411 00:15:20,890 --> 00:15:21,970 >> No, Mrs. Elliot. 412 00:15:21,970 --> 00:15:24,559 >> Then when you see 413 00:15:25,110 --> 00:15:28,030 a Black man or an 414 00:15:28,030 --> 00:15:30,940 Indian or someone walking down the street, 415 00:15:30,940 --> 00:15:32,830 are you going to say, " [LAUGHTER] 416 00:15:32,830 --> 00:15:34,480 Look at that silly looking thing?". 417 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:35,860 >> No. 418 00:15:35,860 --> 00:15:38,545 >> Does it make any difference 419 00:15:38,545 --> 00:15:41,215 whether their skin is black or white? 420 00:15:41,215 --> 00:15:41,680 >> No. 421 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:42,580 >> Or yellow? 422 00:15:42,580 --> 00:15:43,180 >> No. 423 00:15:43,180 --> 00:15:44,380 >> Or red? 424 00:15:44,380 --> 00:15:45,100 >> No 425 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:46,690 >> Is that how you decide 426 00:15:46,690 --> 00:15:48,010 whether people are good or bad? 427 00:15:48,010 --> 00:15:48,375 >> No. 428 00:15:48,375 --> 00:15:50,710 >> Is that what makes people good or bad? 429 00:15:50,710 --> 00:15:51,345 >> No. 430 00:15:51,345 --> 00:15:54,950 >> Let's take these collars off. 431 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,140 >> Here, Mrs. Elliot, you can [inaudible]. 432 00:15:59,140 --> 00:16:00,685 >> What would you like to do with them? 433 00:16:00,685 --> 00:16:01,900 >> Throw them away. 434 00:16:01,900 --> 00:16:02,260 >> Go ahead. 435 00:16:02,260 --> 00:16:03,340 >> Go ahead. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] 436 00:16:03,340 --> 00:16:05,450 >> Okay, Mrs. Elliot. 437 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,940 >> Now, you know a little bit 438 00:16:12,940 --> 00:16:13,870 more than you knew 439 00:16:13,870 --> 00:16:14,950 at the beginning of this week. 440 00:16:14,950 --> 00:16:15,220 >> Yeah. 441 00:16:15,220 --> 00:16:17,185 >> A lot. 442 00:16:17,185 --> 00:16:18,350 >> Do you know a little bit 443 00:16:18,350 --> 00:16:19,580 more than you wanted to? 444 00:16:19,580 --> 00:16:21,845 >> Yes, Mrs. Elliot. 445 00:16:21,845 --> 00:16:22,940 >> This isn't an easy 446 00:16:22,940 --> 00:16:24,155 way to learn this, is it? 447 00:16:24,155 --> 00:16:30,830 >> No, Mrs. Elliot. 448 00:16:30,830 --> 00:16:32,950 >> Oh, will you stop that? [LAUGHTER] Now, 449 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:34,630 let's all sit down here together, 450 00:16:34,630 --> 00:16:36,130 blue eyes and brown eyes. 451 00:16:36,130 --> 00:16:36,940 Did it make any difference 452 00:16:36,940 --> 00:16:37,660 what color you are? 453 00:16:37,660 --> 00:16:38,530 >> No, no. 454 00:16:38,530 --> 00:16:40,240 >> Down, girl. [LAUGHTER]. 455 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:46,990 >> You found your friend, huh. 456 00:16:46,990 --> 00:16:53,320 [LAUGHTER] 457 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:54,700 >> Are you ready to listen now? 458 00:16:54,700 --> 00:16:57,080 Now, are you back? 459 00:16:57,390 --> 00:16:58,510 >> Yeah. 460 00:16:58,510 --> 00:16:59,470 >> Did that feel better? 461 00:16:59,470 --> 00:17:00,630 >> Yeah. 462 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,710 >> Does the color of eyes that you 463 00:17:03,710 --> 00:17:04,760 have make any difference 464 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,680 in the kind of person you are? 465 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,750 >> No, Mrs. Elliot. 466 00:17:08,750 --> 00:17:10,550 >> Does that feel like being 467 00:17:10,550 --> 00:17:11,855 home again, girls? 468 00:17:11,855 --> 00:17:18,235 >> Yes, Mrs. Elliot. [LAUGHTER] 469 00:17:18,235 --> 00:17:20,380 >> This was the third time 470 00:17:20,380 --> 00:17:21,490 Jane Elliott had taught 471 00:17:21,490 --> 00:17:23,185 her lesson in discrimination. 472 00:17:23,185 --> 00:17:25,375 The first, two years earlier 473 00:17:25,375 --> 00:17:27,955 was in April of 1968. 474 00:17:27,955 --> 00:17:28,900 >> On the day after 475 00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:30,580 Martin Luther King was killed, 476 00:17:30,580 --> 00:17:32,350 one of my students came into the room and 477 00:17:32,350 --> 00:17:33,940 said they shot a king last night, 478 00:17:33,940 --> 00:17:35,995 Mrs. Elliot, why did they shoot that King? 479 00:17:35,995 --> 00:17:38,050 I knew the night before that it was 480 00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:39,880 time to deal with this in a concrete way, 481 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,200 not just talk about it because 482 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,220 we had talked about 483 00:17:42,220 --> 00:17:45,610 racism since the first day of school. 484 00:17:45,610 --> 00:17:48,280 But the shooting of Martin Luther King, 485 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:49,570 who had been one of our heroes of 486 00:17:49,570 --> 00:17:51,039 the month in February, 487 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:52,150 could not just be talked 488 00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:53,170 about and explained away. 489 00:17:53,170 --> 00:17:54,700 There was no way to explain this to 490 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:56,800 little third graders in Riceville, Iowa. 491 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,420 As I listened to 492 00:17:58,420 --> 00:18:00,625 the white male commentators 493 00:18:00,625 --> 00:18:02,275 on TV the night before, 494 00:18:02,275 --> 00:18:04,180 I was hearing things like, 495 00:18:04,180 --> 00:18:06,610 "Who is going to hold your people together?" 496 00:18:06,610 --> 00:18:08,755 As they interviewed black leaders? 497 00:18:08,755 --> 00:18:10,870 "What are they going to do? 498 00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:13,360 Who's going to control your people?" 499 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,195 As though these people were 500 00:18:16,195 --> 00:18:17,680 subhuman and someone was going to 501 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,510 have to step in there and control them. 502 00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:20,830 They said things like, "When 503 00:18:20,830 --> 00:18:22,255 we lost our leader, 504 00:18:22,255 --> 00:18:24,550 his widow helped to hold us together." 505 00:18:24,550 --> 00:18:27,249 Who's going to hold them together? 506 00:18:27,249 --> 00:18:28,990 The attitude was so 507 00:18:28,990 --> 00:18:31,075 arrogant and so condescending and so 508 00:18:31,075 --> 00:18:32,860 ungodly that I thought if 509 00:18:32,860 --> 00:18:36,285 white male adults react this way, 510 00:18:36,285 --> 00:18:38,010 what are my third graders going to do? 511 00:18:38,010 --> 00:18:40,190 How are they going to react to this thing? 512 00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:41,680 I was ironing the teepee, 513 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:42,850 we studied an Indian unit, 514 00:18:42,850 --> 00:18:44,170 we made a teepee every year. 515 00:18:44,170 --> 00:18:45,760 The first year, the students would 516 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,620 make the teepee out of pieces of sheet, 517 00:18:47,620 --> 00:18:48,880 we'd sew it together, 518 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:49,840 and the next year, 519 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,775 we'd decorate it with Indian symbols. 520 00:18:51,775 --> 00:18:54,250 I was ironing the previous year's teepee, 521 00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:55,060 getting it ready to be 522 00:18:55,060 --> 00:18:57,010 decorated the next day. 523 00:18:57,010 --> 00:18:58,630 I thought of what we had 524 00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:59,575 done with the Indians. 525 00:18:59,575 --> 00:19:01,405 We haven't made much progress 526 00:19:01,405 --> 00:19:04,045 in these 200, 300 years. 527 00:19:04,045 --> 00:19:06,655 I thought this is the time now to teach them 528 00:19:06,655 --> 00:19:07,690 really what the Sioux 529 00:19:07,690 --> 00:19:08,785 Indian prayer that says, 530 00:19:08,785 --> 00:19:09,940 "Oh great spirit, keep me 531 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:11,260 from ever judging a man 532 00:19:11,260 --> 00:19:12,190 until I've walked in 533 00:19:12,190 --> 00:19:14,530 his moccasins," really means. 534 00:19:14,530 --> 00:19:15,550 For the next day, 535 00:19:15,550 --> 00:19:16,750 I knew that my children were going to 536 00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:18,970 walk in someone else's moccasins for a day. 537 00:19:18,970 --> 00:19:19,960 Like it or lump it, 538 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:20,680 they were going to have to 539 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,464 walk in someone else's moccasins. 540 00:19:22,464 --> 00:19:24,610 I decided at that point that it 541 00:19:24,610 --> 00:19:26,830 was time to try the eye color thing, 542 00:19:26,830 --> 00:19:28,180 which I had thought about many, 543 00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:30,010 many times but had never used. 544 00:19:30,010 --> 00:19:32,515 The next day, I introduced 545 00:19:32,515 --> 00:19:34,120 an eye color exercise in 546 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:35,350 my classroom and split 547 00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:37,045 the class according to eye color, 548 00:19:37,045 --> 00:19:39,969 and immediately created a microcosm 549 00:19:39,969 --> 00:19:42,515 of society in a third grade classroom. 550 00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:44,775 Riceville hasn't changed much 551 00:19:44,775 --> 00:19:46,860 in the 17 years since then. 552 00:19:46,860 --> 00:19:49,410 It's still a small farming community 553 00:19:49,410 --> 00:19:51,420 surrounded by corn fields. 554 00:19:51,420 --> 00:19:54,390 Its population is still under 1,000, 555 00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:58,130 and it's still all white and all Christian. 556 00:19:58,130 --> 00:20:00,220 Though Jane Elliott has continued 557 00:20:00,220 --> 00:20:02,170 to teach her lesson in discrimination, 558 00:20:02,170 --> 00:20:04,900 there has been little outward local reaction. 559 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:06,100 No objections from 560 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:07,870 school authorities or the parents of 561 00:20:07,870 --> 00:20:09,415 the 300 odd students 562 00:20:09,415 --> 00:20:11,890 who have by now been through it. 563 00:20:11,890 --> 00:20:14,710 >> Okay. Let's get in a circle. 564 00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:15,790 >> The reunion of 565 00:20:15,790 --> 00:20:17,470 her former third graders was 566 00:20:17,470 --> 00:20:19,810 Jane Elliott's first chance to find out 567 00:20:19,810 --> 00:20:21,205 how much of her lessons 568 00:20:21,205 --> 00:20:22,825 her students had retained. 569 00:20:22,825 --> 00:20:26,605 >> All right. Now, Raymond I want to know 570 00:20:26,605 --> 00:20:29,110 why you were so 571 00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:30,295 eager to 572 00:20:30,295 --> 00:20:32,680 discriminate against the rest of these kids. 573 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,210 At the end of the day, I thought 574 00:20:34,210 --> 00:20:35,440 the miserable little Nazi. 575 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:40,075 [LAUGHTER] Really, I couldn't stand you. 576 00:20:40,075 --> 00:20:42,680 >> It felt tremendously evil. 577 00:20:43,860 --> 00:20:46,705 All your inhibitions were gone. 578 00:20:46,705 --> 00:20:49,435 No matter if they were my friends or not, 579 00:20:49,435 --> 00:20:52,030 any pent-up hostilities or 580 00:20:52,030 --> 00:20:53,620 aggressions that these kids 581 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:54,760 had ever caused you, 582 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,575 you had a chance to get it all out? 583 00:20:56,575 --> 00:20:59,500 >> Yeah, I felt like I was a king, 584 00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:02,680 like I ruled them brown-eyes, 585 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,805 like I was better than them, happy. 586 00:21:06,805 --> 00:21:09,055 >> You did it all day? 587 00:21:09,055 --> 00:21:09,775 >> Yeah. 588 00:21:09,775 --> 00:21:10,960 >> How did you feel when 589 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,134 you were the out-group? 590 00:21:13,134 --> 00:21:15,520 >> Boy that day, after we went home 591 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,678 [LAUGHTER] talk about hating somebody. 592 00:21:18,678 --> 00:21:18,970 >> Yeah. 593 00:21:18,970 --> 00:21:19,975 >> It was there. 594 00:21:19,975 --> 00:21:21,100 >> You hated me? 595 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:23,875 >> Yeah, of what you were putting us through. 596 00:21:23,875 --> 00:21:26,320 Nobody likes to be looked down upon, 597 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,030 nobody likes to be hated, 598 00:21:28,030 --> 00:21:31,720 teased, or discriminated against. 599 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,360 It just boggles up inside of you. 600 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:37,315 You just get so mad. 601 00:21:37,315 --> 00:21:38,545 >> Were you just angry, 602 00:21:38,545 --> 00:21:40,120 or was it more than that? 603 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:44,320 >> I felt demoralized, humiliated. 604 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,125 >> Is the learning worth the agony? 605 00:21:47,125 --> 00:21:48,400 >> Yes. [OVERLAPPING] 606 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,260 >> It made everything a lot 607 00:21:50,260 --> 00:21:53,215 different than what it was. 608 00:21:53,215 --> 00:21:55,915 We was a lot better family altogether, 609 00:21:55,915 --> 00:21:58,135 even in our houses, we was probably. 610 00:21:58,135 --> 00:22:02,170 Because it was hard on you. 611 00:22:02,170 --> 00:22:04,240 When you have your best friend 612 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,415 one day and then he's your enemy the next. 613 00:22:07,415 --> 00:22:11,290 It brings it out real quick. 614 00:22:11,610 --> 00:22:14,065 >> Some of the remarks were 615 00:22:14,065 --> 00:22:15,850 the kinds of things I would have 616 00:22:15,850 --> 00:22:17,290 wished I could have programmed into 617 00:22:17,290 --> 00:22:19,300 them if I had been able to program them. 618 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:20,560 They're the things I would 619 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,820 have wanted them to say. 620 00:22:21,820 --> 00:22:25,195 Some of the things were just mind-blowing. 621 00:22:25,195 --> 00:22:28,285 >> You hear these people talking about that, 622 00:22:28,285 --> 00:22:30,265 different people, 623 00:22:30,265 --> 00:22:33,610 how they're difference and 624 00:22:33,610 --> 00:22:35,320 they'd like to have them out of the country. 625 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,960 I wish they go back to Africa and stuff. 626 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,340 Sometimes I just wish I 627 00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:40,690 had that color in my pocket, 628 00:22:40,690 --> 00:22:42,625 I could whip it out and put it on and say, 629 00:22:42,625 --> 00:22:46,275 "Wear this and put yourself in their place." 630 00:22:46,275 --> 00:22:50,135 I wish they would go what I went through. 631 00:22:50,135 --> 00:22:52,120 >> We was at a softball 632 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:53,890 game a couple weekends 633 00:22:53,890 --> 00:22:57,760 ago and there was a black guy. "Hi, Verla." 634 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,995 We hugged each other and everything and 635 00:22:59,995 --> 00:23:03,445 some people really look just like, 636 00:23:03,445 --> 00:23:06,055 "What are you doing with him?" 637 00:23:06,055 --> 00:23:08,650 You just get this burning feeling, 638 00:23:08,650 --> 00:23:10,210 sensation in you that just want to 639 00:23:10,210 --> 00:23:11,890 let it out and 640 00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:13,570 put them through what we went through to 641 00:23:13,570 --> 00:23:15,400 find out they're not any different. 642 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,860 >> I still find myself sometimes when 643 00:23:17,860 --> 00:23:19,120 I see some people together 644 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:20,605 and I see how they act, 645 00:23:20,605 --> 00:23:22,555 I think, well that's black. 646 00:23:22,555 --> 00:23:24,100 Then right in the next second 647 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:25,450 I won't even finish the thought. 648 00:23:25,450 --> 00:23:27,460 I'm saying, well, I've seen whites do it, 649 00:23:27,460 --> 00:23:29,455 I've seen other people do it. 650 00:23:29,455 --> 00:23:30,910 It's not just the blacks. 651 00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:32,380 Everyone acts differently. 652 00:23:32,380 --> 00:23:33,535 It's just the different color 653 00:23:33,535 --> 00:23:35,260 is what hits you first. 654 00:23:35,260 --> 00:23:37,060 Then later, as I said, 655 00:23:37,060 --> 00:23:37,690 I don't even finish 656 00:23:37,690 --> 00:23:38,800 that thought before I remember 657 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,350 back when I was like that and I remember, 658 00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:43,150 everyone acts the same way, 659 00:23:43,150 --> 00:23:44,230 it's just your way of 660 00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:46,345 thinking is the difference. 661 00:23:46,345 --> 00:23:47,920 >> Like when my grandparents or 662 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,300 somebody and they start 663 00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:50,890 talking about old times and they say 664 00:23:50,890 --> 00:23:52,765 the Japs and all this and that, 665 00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:54,160 and they start holding 666 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,375 that against them, I think. 667 00:23:55,375 --> 00:23:58,330 How would you like to been them? 668 00:23:58,330 --> 00:24:00,850 Japanese Americans get drawn into 669 00:24:00,850 --> 00:24:01,870 this camp just because they 670 00:24:01,870 --> 00:24:04,550 happened to be part Japanese. 671 00:24:05,310 --> 00:24:07,615 Calm down and think about it. 672 00:24:07,615 --> 00:24:09,220 But when they get older, 673 00:24:09,220 --> 00:24:10,300 they're set in their ways and 674 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:11,800 they're not going to change. 675 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,705 >> When you get older? 676 00:24:13,705 --> 00:24:15,595 >> I'll be set in my ways, 677 00:24:15,595 --> 00:24:18,475 but they're different than their way. 678 00:24:18,475 --> 00:24:21,325 >> I was absolutely enthralled, 679 00:24:21,325 --> 00:24:23,590 Sandy Dohlman's statements that, 680 00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:24,640 "When my son comes 681 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,810 home with the word nigger and the 682 00:24:25,810 --> 00:24:28,375 other things that he hears downtown, 683 00:24:28,375 --> 00:24:29,965 I say to him, listen, 684 00:24:29,965 --> 00:24:31,600 that isn't the way we judge people. 685 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,250 You don't judge people by how they look. 686 00:24:33,250 --> 00:24:34,345 You judge them by what's on the 687 00:24:34,345 --> 00:24:35,860 inside, not the outside." 688 00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:37,120 >> I'm glad that she's 689 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:38,365 teaching them not to hate 690 00:24:38,365 --> 00:24:39,850 because even though he 691 00:24:39,850 --> 00:24:41,815 does here this from the other people, 692 00:24:41,815 --> 00:24:43,660 if he goes home and thinks, Well, 693 00:24:43,660 --> 00:24:44,935 Mom and Dad, like 694 00:24:44,935 --> 00:24:47,365 the black people I'm going to like them too. 695 00:24:47,365 --> 00:24:48,790 I don't think he's going to pick 696 00:24:48,790 --> 00:24:50,095 nothing bad about it. 697 00:24:50,095 --> 00:24:51,670 >> You chose your husband well. 698 00:24:51,670 --> 00:24:52,810 [LAUGHTER] 699 00:24:52,810 --> 00:24:53,845 >> He chose me. 700 00:24:53,845 --> 00:24:55,210 >> You chose her well. 701 00:24:55,210 --> 00:24:56,980 [LAUGHTER] 702 00:24:56,980 --> 00:24:58,555 >> Little kids will take and 703 00:24:58,555 --> 00:25:00,715 they'll listen to a lot of other people too, 704 00:25:00,715 --> 00:25:04,315 so they're going to end up confused over it. 705 00:25:04,315 --> 00:25:06,655 >> But if she keeps on telling them, 706 00:25:06,655 --> 00:25:09,220 is he going to be person your kids 707 00:25:09,220 --> 00:25:10,510 are or is he going to be 708 00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:11,500 the kind who judge 709 00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:12,010 people by the [OVERLAPPING]. 710 00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:13,135 >> Well, he'll know 711 00:25:13,135 --> 00:25:15,010 somewhat right from wrong. 712 00:25:15,010 --> 00:25:16,990 [OVERLAPPING]. 713 00:25:16,990 --> 00:25:19,300 >> But he'll have the ideas. 714 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,510 He won't be judging them by their color, 715 00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:24,460 but he won't know what we 716 00:25:24,460 --> 00:25:27,130 know fully having been through it. 717 00:25:27,130 --> 00:25:29,500 >> He won't learn the color thing. 718 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:31,345 >> The prejudice from us. 719 00:25:31,345 --> 00:25:33,910 >> He won't learn prejudice first-handed. 720 00:25:33,910 --> 00:25:34,690 >> Yeah. 721 00:25:34,690 --> 00:25:37,420 >> He won't learn to be prejudiced from us. 722 00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:38,950 If they won't learn to 723 00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:41,395 discriminate between people from us, 724 00:25:41,395 --> 00:25:42,880 he might hear it from others, 725 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,020 but never from us. 726 00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:44,380 >> Okay. 727 00:25:44,380 --> 00:25:45,040 What's it like to be 728 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,150 married to somebody like that? 729 00:25:46,150 --> 00:25:49,900 [LAUGHTER] 730 00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:51,250 >> When I was going to marry Sheila, 731 00:25:51,250 --> 00:25:52,270 I knew it for 732 00:25:52,270 --> 00:25:55,355 my future that I was going into the military. 733 00:25:55,355 --> 00:25:57,615 At first, I thought, 734 00:25:57,615 --> 00:25:59,010 is she going to be able to 735 00:25:59,010 --> 00:26:00,720 handle being with 736 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,440 all the different nationalities? 737 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,540 Then I read The Storm, read the book. 738 00:26:07,540 --> 00:26:08,590 >> A Class Divided. 739 00:26:08,590 --> 00:26:10,660 >> A Class Divided before we got 740 00:26:10,660 --> 00:26:13,165 married and before I joined the army. 741 00:26:13,165 --> 00:26:15,220 I said, hey, 742 00:26:15,220 --> 00:26:18,564 she's not going to have any problems. 743 00:26:18,564 --> 00:26:21,340 >> Should every child 744 00:26:21,340 --> 00:26:23,885 have the exercise or should every teacher? 745 00:26:23,885 --> 00:26:27,460 >> Everybody. [OVERLAPPING] 746 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:28,930 >> I think every school aught 747 00:26:28,930 --> 00:26:30,400 to implement something like 748 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,840 this program in their 749 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,315 early stages of education. 750 00:26:34,315 --> 00:26:36,160 >> If Jane Elliott's lesson 751 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,630 in discrimination changed 752 00:26:37,630 --> 00:26:39,070 the way these young people feel 753 00:26:39,070 --> 00:26:40,959 about discrimination and racism, 754 00:26:40,959 --> 00:26:44,245 it also had a totally unexpected result. 755 00:26:44,245 --> 00:26:46,630 >> The second year I did this exercise, 756 00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:49,390 I gave little spelling tests, math tests, 757 00:26:49,390 --> 00:26:50,980 reading test, two weeks before they 758 00:26:50,980 --> 00:26:52,690 exercise each day of 759 00:26:52,690 --> 00:26:54,830 the exercise, and two weeks later. 760 00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:57,275 Almost without exception, 761 00:26:57,275 --> 00:26:59,260 the students scores go 762 00:26:59,260 --> 00:27:02,245 up on the day they're on the top, down, 763 00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:03,460 on the day there on the bottom, 764 00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:06,280 and then maintain a higher level 765 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,810 for the rest of the year after 766 00:27:07,810 --> 00:27:09,610 they've been through the exercise. 767 00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:11,320 We sent some of those tests 768 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,540 to Stanford University, 769 00:27:13,540 --> 00:27:15,175 to the psychology department. 770 00:27:15,175 --> 00:27:17,905 They did an informal review of them, 771 00:27:17,905 --> 00:27:19,330 and they said that what's 772 00:27:19,330 --> 00:27:20,380 happening here is kids 773 00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:21,790 academic ability is being 774 00:27:21,790 --> 00:27:23,740 changed in a 24-hour period. 775 00:27:23,740 --> 00:27:26,065 That isn't possible, but it's happening. 776 00:27:26,065 --> 00:27:27,340 Something very strange is 777 00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:29,170 happening to these children because suddenly 778 00:27:29,170 --> 00:27:32,245 they're finding out how really great they are 779 00:27:32,245 --> 00:27:33,805 and they are responding to 780 00:27:33,805 --> 00:27:36,400 what they know now they're able to do. 781 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,720 It has happened 782 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,000 consistently with third graders. 783 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,290 >> The film made of 784 00:27:41,290 --> 00:27:42,760 Jane Elliott's third graders 785 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,080 in 1970 has 786 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,850 been widely used with students and 787 00:27:45,850 --> 00:27:47,920 teachers and by government, 788 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,720 business, and labor organizations 789 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,195 concerned about human relations. 790 00:27:52,195 --> 00:27:55,870 Perhaps the most unusual use of it is here, 791 00:27:55,870 --> 00:27:58,285 at Green Haven Correctional Facility, 792 00:27:58,285 --> 00:28:00,295 a maximum security prison 793 00:28:00,295 --> 00:28:02,020 in Stormville, New York. 794 00:28:02,020 --> 00:28:10,030 [NOISE] 795 00:28:10,030 --> 00:28:12,130 Here in a sociology course 796 00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:14,110 taught by Professor Duane W. 797 00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:17,350 Smith of Dutchess Community College is almost 798 00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:20,110 exclusively black and Hispanic classes have 799 00:28:20,110 --> 00:28:23,305 been seen the film for more than 10 years. 800 00:28:23,305 --> 00:28:25,825 >> What I'd like to do is 801 00:28:25,825 --> 00:28:27,850 introduce the subject 802 00:28:27,850 --> 00:28:29,650 of prejudice and discrimination through 803 00:28:29,650 --> 00:28:52,278 this film called The Eye of the Storm. 804 00:28:52,278 --> 00:28:59,725 >> [BACKGROUND] 805 00:28:59,725 --> 00:29:01,600 >> By this process really 806 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,895 learned the meaning of discrimination. 807 00:29:03,895 --> 00:29:05,440 >> Most of the children 808 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,120 before the film started, 809 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,980 they had played in live together in 810 00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:11,620 harmony and certain accident 811 00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:12,940 coming from the teacher 812 00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:14,170 and seeing that teachers have 813 00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:15,775 an authoritarian figure 814 00:29:15,775 --> 00:29:17,410 and someone to respect, 815 00:29:17,410 --> 00:29:18,760 they accepted the views 816 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,005 that was being given to them. 817 00:29:20,005 --> 00:29:21,790 But I think at the end of 818 00:29:21,790 --> 00:29:23,695 the lesson they would make clearly see 819 00:29:23,695 --> 00:29:26,215 their prejudices and other forms 820 00:29:26,215 --> 00:29:28,240 of discrimination are things that 821 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,250 people build within their minds that they're 822 00:29:30,250 --> 00:29:32,710 not actual physical barriers. 823 00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:34,900 They say you, you can't cross a street. 824 00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:37,660 >> The one kid I could really agree 825 00:29:37,660 --> 00:29:41,605 with was at recess, 826 00:29:41,605 --> 00:29:43,855 was a brown-eyed kid. 827 00:29:43,855 --> 00:29:47,800 He had this inner turmoil 828 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,975 against this feeling of being 829 00:29:49,975 --> 00:29:53,140 divided or prejudice against where he would 830 00:29:53,140 --> 00:29:54,940 hit another kid that his known 831 00:29:54,940 --> 00:29:57,610 for so many years in the gut. 832 00:29:57,610 --> 00:30:02,665 Well, he also stated that it didn't help any, 833 00:30:02,665 --> 00:30:04,960 so that automatically should be 834 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,210 a lesson to every adult in the world. 835 00:30:07,210 --> 00:30:09,565 Violence doesn't help anything. 836 00:30:09,565 --> 00:30:11,800 This is a film that I hope 837 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,840 my children get to see. 838 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,685 >> Unlike New York, 839 00:30:15,685 --> 00:30:19,165 Iowa is 98 percent white Anglo-Saxon. 840 00:30:19,165 --> 00:30:21,790 Yet even here, minority groups account for 841 00:30:21,790 --> 00:30:23,080 more than 20 percent 842 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,045 of the prison population. 843 00:30:25,045 --> 00:30:27,970 To make sure its prison system employees are 844 00:30:27,970 --> 00:30:29,320 sensitive to the concerns 845 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,670 of this large minority. 846 00:30:30,670 --> 00:30:32,710 The Iowa Department of Corrections 847 00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:34,900 last fall hired Jane Elliott 848 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:37,330 to give her lesson to some of them. 849 00:30:37,330 --> 00:30:39,370 The group which included 850 00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:41,560 prison guards and parole officers was 851 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,000 told only that it would be 852 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,580 attending a day-long workshop. 853 00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:47,695 David Stokes Barry. 854 00:30:47,695 --> 00:30:50,110 >> Most of our training, you go to people, 855 00:30:50,110 --> 00:30:52,585 give you information and you learn that way. 856 00:30:52,585 --> 00:30:53,815 >> Blue eye. 857 00:30:53,815 --> 00:30:55,630 >> When I first 858 00:30:55,630 --> 00:30:59,620 came with the sign-up 859 00:30:59,620 --> 00:31:02,230 and such and got put in the group, 860 00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:04,000 I didn't know when 861 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,785 I started seeing the signs around, 862 00:31:05,785 --> 00:31:07,645 brown eyes only and such, 863 00:31:07,645 --> 00:31:09,310 I figured they were the 864 00:31:09,310 --> 00:31:10,960 better group because they had a lot of 865 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,450 spaces available and they 866 00:31:13,450 --> 00:31:15,490 we're known for the blue eyes. 867 00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:17,500 When I got put in 868 00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:19,810 the blue eyes group and put the color on and 869 00:31:19,810 --> 00:31:21,640 I knew well then I was going 870 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,695 to be in the deprive group I guess. 871 00:31:23,695 --> 00:31:25,795 >> Okay, now you can stay in this area. 872 00:31:25,795 --> 00:31:27,460 >> The workshop was 873 00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:29,005 supposed to begin at nine. 874 00:31:29,005 --> 00:31:31,300 They took the brown eyes in 875 00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:32,440 about nine and then 876 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,420 left us standing in the hall. 877 00:31:34,420 --> 00:31:36,670 I literally stood because 878 00:31:36,670 --> 00:31:37,690 there weren't enough chairs and 879 00:31:37,690 --> 00:31:38,890 I didn't know whether or not I'd wanted 880 00:31:38,890 --> 00:31:40,480 to fight to take a chair down, 881 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,710 I didn't know if somebody will come and take 882 00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:43,735 the chair away from me if I did. 883 00:31:43,735 --> 00:31:45,910 >> While David Stokes Barry and 884 00:31:45,910 --> 00:31:47,020 the other blue-eyed people 885 00:31:47,020 --> 00:31:49,075 waited inside the meeting room. 886 00:31:49,075 --> 00:31:51,310 Jane Elliott prepared the brown-eyed people 887 00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:53,440 for what was going to happen. 888 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,425 >> Now this is not something I can do alone. 889 00:31:56,425 --> 00:31:58,285 This exercise won't work 890 00:31:58,285 --> 00:32:00,070 without your cooperation. 891 00:32:00,070 --> 00:32:02,965 Blue-eyed people aren't allowed to smoke. 892 00:32:02,965 --> 00:32:04,390 Blue-eyed people aren't allowed to 893 00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:06,010 sit in these empty chairs. 894 00:32:06,010 --> 00:32:07,420 Do not let a blue-eyed person 895 00:32:07,420 --> 00:32:08,335 sit next to you. 896 00:32:08,335 --> 00:32:09,865 You know, you can't trust them, 897 00:32:09,865 --> 00:32:11,875 and besides which, they don't smell good. 898 00:32:11,875 --> 00:32:13,885 Everybody knows that about blue-eyed people. 899 00:32:13,885 --> 00:32:15,490 You don't know what you can catch 900 00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:16,900 from a blue-eyed person. 901 00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:19,765 >> By 9:20, I felt some antagonism. 902 00:32:19,765 --> 00:32:21,280 I'm stuck out here for 20 minutes 903 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,215 standing, waiting. 904 00:32:23,215 --> 00:32:24,880 >> I still say we always say what kind of 905 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,380 reaction we'll get by, 906 00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:28,910 everyone just simply going in. 907 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,340 >> But he seems to have the courage and 908 00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:35,200 conviction to do a lot of talking. 909 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,580 [NOISE] [BACKGROUND] Yeah. 910 00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:43,030 >> Opposed him by all singing a song [NOISE]. 911 00:32:43,030 --> 00:32:45,460 >> We Shall Overcome [LAUGHTER]. 912 00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:48,010 >> I need to have you keep it down, 913 00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:49,480 I don't know how many times I need 914 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,890 to give that instruction, 915 00:32:50,890 --> 00:32:51,700 but you need to keep it 916 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:52,900 down so you don't bother 917 00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:55,675 people in the workshop? 918 00:32:55,675 --> 00:32:58,450 I was pretty well ticked off by the time 919 00:32:58,450 --> 00:33:00,520 we got taken in [NOISE] [BACKGROUND]. 920 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:12,580 >> It would be 921 00:33:12,580 --> 00:33:14,290 to your advantage in the future people 922 00:33:14,290 --> 00:33:15,700 if you get to meetings on time, 923 00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:17,020 it would also be to your advantage 924 00:33:17,020 --> 00:33:19,160 if you'd put your gum away. 925 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:21,985 >> I'll leave. 926 00:33:21,985 --> 00:33:23,350 >> Put your gum away. 927 00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:23,815 >> I'll leave. 928 00:33:23,815 --> 00:33:25,690 >> You want to get paid for today? 929 00:33:25,690 --> 00:33:28,195 Well then stay but put your gum away. 930 00:33:28,195 --> 00:33:29,510 >> I don't have a purse or 931 00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:30,580 a place to put my gum. 932 00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:32,140 >> I'm sure that you are inventive 933 00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:34,810 enough to find a place for the gum. 934 00:33:34,810 --> 00:33:36,190 Now, I'd like for you to 935 00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:38,185 notice where she put her gum. 936 00:33:38,185 --> 00:33:40,540 You have this problem with blue-eyed people. 937 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:41,860 You give them something 938 00:33:41,860 --> 00:33:43,120 decent and they just wreck it. 939 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,680 You'll also notice that 940 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,900 blue-eyed people spend a lot of time playing, 941 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:48,550 look at me, see how cute I am. 942 00:33:48,550 --> 00:33:50,575 I can be funny. I can make a joke of this. 943 00:33:50,575 --> 00:33:52,655 This is amusing. I'm amused by this. 944 00:33:52,655 --> 00:33:54,390 Another thing that is obvious about 945 00:33:54,390 --> 00:33:55,260 blue-eyed people is that 946 00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:56,250 they are poor listeners. 947 00:33:56,250 --> 00:33:57,450 The first thing you have to do 948 00:33:57,450 --> 00:33:58,890 when you're teaching in 949 00:33:58,890 --> 00:34:00,120 a segregated situation when 950 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,145 you're working in a segregated situation 951 00:34:02,145 --> 00:34:05,575 is teach the listening skills. 952 00:34:05,575 --> 00:34:08,140 The listening skills are number 1. 953 00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:09,805 Good listeners have quiet hands, 954 00:34:09,805 --> 00:34:11,755 feet, and mouths. 955 00:34:11,755 --> 00:34:14,650 Everyone needs to write these down. 956 00:34:14,650 --> 00:34:16,480 I'd like for you to look at the man in 957 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,305 the back, in the black jacket. 958 00:34:19,305 --> 00:34:22,545 The game we're playing is playing it cool. 959 00:34:22,545 --> 00:34:24,270 This is a favorite blue-eyed 960 00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:25,665 game, playing it cool. 961 00:34:25,665 --> 00:34:27,665 Nobody can bother me, man, 962 00:34:27,665 --> 00:34:30,280 I can handle this. I don't have to do this. 963 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,125 I'm going to ignore this whole thing. 964 00:34:32,125 --> 00:34:34,600 Number 2, good listeners 965 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,350 keep their eyes on 966 00:34:35,350 --> 00:34:37,520 the person who is speaking. 967 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:42,153 I take it you don't have a pencil? 968 00:34:42,153 --> 00:34:42,700 >> Yeah. 969 00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:43,480 >> Nor you? 970 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,170 >> No. 971 00:34:44,170 --> 00:34:45,730 >> Perhaps you could borrow one from 972 00:34:45,730 --> 00:34:47,380 one of your neighbors. 973 00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:49,390 Sir, I realized that you 974 00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:51,370 feel that you don't need to write it down. 975 00:34:51,370 --> 00:34:52,750 Whether or not you write it down, 976 00:34:52,750 --> 00:34:54,730 perhaps you could remember it. 977 00:34:54,730 --> 00:34:55,180 [OVERLAPPING] 978 00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:56,950 Good listeners have quiet hands, 979 00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:57,550 feet, and mouths. 980 00:34:57,550 --> 00:34:58,825 Do you know what that means? 981 00:34:58,825 --> 00:35:00,145 >> I'm not sure. 982 00:35:00,145 --> 00:35:01,300 >> I believe that. 983 00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:02,980 Do you want me to explain it to you? 984 00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:04,390 >> That's okay, I'll get a pencil and 985 00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:06,100 write this down directly. 986 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:07,825 >> Look blue-eyed people 987 00:35:07,825 --> 00:35:09,580 many of you have pencils. 988 00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:10,990 Will one of you please lend him 989 00:35:10,990 --> 00:35:13,165 a pencil or don't you trust him? 990 00:35:13,165 --> 00:35:15,550 Which I can understand. 991 00:35:15,550 --> 00:35:17,605 From the last 10 minutes, 992 00:35:17,605 --> 00:35:18,460 what have you observed 993 00:35:18,460 --> 00:35:19,840 about blue-eyed people? 994 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,015 >> Blue-eyed people are very stubborn, 995 00:35:22,015 --> 00:35:24,640 very self-centered, and wish to 996 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,050 control as much of 997 00:35:26,050 --> 00:35:27,700 their surroundings as possible. 998 00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:29,425 People that wise, I mean, 999 00:35:29,425 --> 00:35:31,390 very inconsiderate people I don't even 1000 00:35:31,390 --> 00:35:32,050 know why you're have them here 1001 00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:33,355 in the first place. 1002 00:35:33,355 --> 00:35:35,290 >> We have them here because we 1003 00:35:35,290 --> 00:35:36,865 are required to have them here. 1004 00:35:36,865 --> 00:35:37,690 >> We have to? 1005 00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:39,280 >> This is one 1006 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,305 of the things you have to put up with. 1007 00:35:41,305 --> 00:35:44,485 Number 3, good listeners 1008 00:35:44,485 --> 00:35:47,780 listen from the beginning to the very end. 1009 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,430 Good listeners decide to learn something. 1010 00:36:00,030 --> 00:36:01,870 This is the thing you'll 1011 00:36:01,870 --> 00:36:03,040 have the most difficulty with, 1012 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,570 with blue-eyed people, they 1013 00:36:04,570 --> 00:36:07,150 decide not to learn something. 1014 00:36:07,150 --> 00:36:08,920 Some of you have had trouble with 1015 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,780 blue-eyed people in your home environments. 1016 00:36:10,780 --> 00:36:11,770 Some of you have had trouble with 1017 00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:12,940 blue-eyed people in your workplace. 1018 00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:14,800 Does anybody have an example of that, 1019 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,775 that they'd like to talk about? Anyone? 1020 00:36:18,775 --> 00:36:21,010 >> I have two nephews, one's 1021 00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:23,080 blue-eye and one's brown eye 1022 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,850 and the blue one like he never 1023 00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:27,890 cleans his room and he's really lazy, 1024 00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:30,505 he doesn't seem to have a lot of 1025 00:36:30,505 --> 00:36:32,410 energy, the blue eyed one. 1026 00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:35,410 But the brown eyed one he's outgoing and 1027 00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:36,610 he plays in sports and 1028 00:36:36,610 --> 00:36:38,635 then he's pretty good at it. 1029 00:36:38,635 --> 00:36:41,545 He just seems like a better kid. 1030 00:36:41,545 --> 00:36:44,320 If I have kids, I hope they have brown eyes. 1031 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,310 >> Are you barren? 1032 00:36:45,310 --> 00:36:46,135 >> No. 1033 00:36:46,135 --> 00:36:47,170 >> Then it's a good thing 1034 00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:48,190 you don't have kids. 1035 00:36:48,190 --> 00:36:49,660 You will know what to do 1036 00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:52,450 when you choose a mate. 1037 00:36:52,450 --> 00:36:53,545 >> Right. 1038 00:36:53,545 --> 00:36:55,150 >> Would you like to read that first 1039 00:36:55,150 --> 00:36:56,905 listening skill to me? 1040 00:36:56,905 --> 00:36:59,200 >> I haven't got all my paper yet. 1041 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,400 >> Oh, why is that? 1042 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,840 >> I have to borrow the pencils 1043 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,205 write it down as yet. 1044 00:37:06,205 --> 00:37:08,935 >> You think it's unnecessary? 1045 00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:12,175 >> At this particular point, yes, I do. 1046 00:37:12,175 --> 00:37:13,670 >> Why? 1047 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,575 >> I have it in my head, 1048 00:37:20,575 --> 00:37:22,420 for the most part [inaudible]. 1049 00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:23,470 >> There is a lot of space up 1050 00:37:23,470 --> 00:37:25,270 there, it isn't their friend. 1051 00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:28,765 Do you suppose you could tell me what it is? 1052 00:37:28,765 --> 00:37:30,520 >> It had something to do 1053 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,720 with keeping your hands and 1054 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,390 feet still as I recall. 1055 00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:35,050 >> Has something to do with that? 1056 00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:37,090 [LAUGHTER] I 1057 00:37:37,090 --> 00:37:38,320 find it interesting that you're 1058 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,430 amused by our having 1059 00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:40,690 to stand here and wait for 1060 00:37:40,690 --> 00:37:41,830 this man to do something that 1061 00:37:41,830 --> 00:37:43,720 everybody else has already done. 1062 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:45,370 I find that highly 1063 00:37:45,370 --> 00:37:48,530 interesting, stupid, but interesting. 1064 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,990 If you are in a situation where someone is 1065 00:37:52,990 --> 00:37:56,620 constantly refusing to do 1066 00:37:56,620 --> 00:37:58,855 what the people in authority ask them to do. 1067 00:37:58,855 --> 00:37:59,695 What do you know about them? 1068 00:37:59,695 --> 00:38:01,450 What do you know about that person? 1069 00:38:01,450 --> 00:38:03,490 >> Well, I think it's a game with 1070 00:38:03,490 --> 00:38:05,740 them, attention. 1071 00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:08,440 >> Has it gained anything for this gentleman? 1072 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,090 >> Disrespect from I 1073 00:38:10,090 --> 00:38:11,890 think the brown eyed people. 1074 00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:12,820 >> Has it proven 1075 00:38:12,820 --> 00:38:14,860 anything to brown eyed people? 1076 00:38:14,860 --> 00:38:17,065 >> Yeah, so this is 1077 00:38:17,065 --> 00:38:23,270 a typical trait of a blue eyed person. 1078 00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:26,390 >> Now read the second one. 1079 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,370 >> I don't have the second one. 1080 00:38:30,370 --> 00:38:31,210 Can I read it off her? 1081 00:38:31,210 --> 00:38:32,320 >> You don't have second one either. 1082 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:32,635 >> No. 1083 00:38:32,635 --> 00:38:34,090 >> You were keeping it in your head. 1084 00:38:34,090 --> 00:38:35,665 What happened to that plan? 1085 00:38:35,665 --> 00:38:37,120 >> Just the first one I 1086 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,380 had in my head not the second one. 1087 00:38:38,380 --> 00:38:40,760 >> Oh, the other three aren't important? 1088 00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:45,040 >> Well, there are probably important. 1089 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,360 >> But not important enough for 1090 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,440 you to write down, right? 1091 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,730 >> Well, they're important. 1092 00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:52,990 I should have written them down 1093 00:38:52,990 --> 00:38:54,100 most probably. 1094 00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:55,810 >> Most probably? 1095 00:38:55,810 --> 00:38:58,345 Does anybody back there knows? 1096 00:38:58,345 --> 00:38:59,950 You don't have it written down either? 1097 00:38:59,950 --> 00:39:01,330 [NOISE] All should take a look 1098 00:39:01,330 --> 00:39:03,800 at these two so called gentlemen. 1099 00:39:05,580 --> 00:39:08,050 Now, we need to hear 1100 00:39:08,050 --> 00:39:09,985 the good listening skills from you. 1101 00:39:09,985 --> 00:39:11,635 I don't want you to think that 1102 00:39:11,635 --> 00:39:13,510 I'm badgering you boys. 1103 00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:14,740 [OVERLAPPING] 1104 00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:16,075 >> I don't like that. 1105 00:39:16,075 --> 00:39:18,235 >> On the other hand, 1106 00:39:18,235 --> 00:39:19,600 you're here to learn something. 1107 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,160 If you learn nothing else today, 1108 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,180 it would be nice if you would 1109 00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:23,920 learn the listening skills. 1110 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,420 What do you know now 1111 00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:26,770 about blue eyed people that you didn't 1112 00:39:26,770 --> 00:39:30,535 know before you came in here? 1113 00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:32,410 >> I'm finding I might have 1114 00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:33,640 to explain things a 1115 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,140 bit more explicitly to 1116 00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:36,880 a [LAUGHTER] blue eyed person, 1117 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,890 than I would to a brown eyed person. 1118 00:39:38,890 --> 00:39:40,420 >> How many times did I have to repeat 1119 00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:42,685 the listening skills for Roger? 1120 00:39:42,685 --> 00:39:44,500 >> Well, brother Roger is having 1121 00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:45,580 a rough time today, isn't he? 1122 00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:49,585 [LAUGHTER] It was about 6-7 different times. 1123 00:39:49,585 --> 00:39:51,730 >> You think that's amusing Roger? 1124 00:39:51,730 --> 00:39:55,520 >> Apparently it is some what of you think. 1125 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,330 >> As part of the lesson that 1126 00:39:58,330 --> 00:40:00,010 Corrections Department employees 1127 00:40:00,010 --> 00:40:01,495 took a written test. 1128 00:40:01,495 --> 00:40:04,000 >> I need these names and the scores. 1129 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,270 >> I have K. R 11. 1130 00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:07,990 >> I'm sorry I can't hear you. 1131 00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:09,475 >> K. R - 1132 00:40:09,475 --> 00:40:10,705 >> Just initials. 1133 00:40:10,705 --> 00:40:11,000 >> -11. 1134 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,555 >> Just KR, just an initial. No last name. 1135 00:40:13,555 --> 00:40:14,365 >> Yeah, no names. 1136 00:40:14,365 --> 00:40:15,445 >> How many? 1137 00:40:15,445 --> 00:40:19,360 >> Eleven, and [inaudible] 1138 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,130 or Charles. I'm not sure. 1139 00:40:21,130 --> 00:40:22,420 >> Thank you, sir. 1140 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:23,410 >> Your welcome. 1141 00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:25,850 >> Tell me the name again. 1142 00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:27,475 >> Turban. 1143 00:40:27,475 --> 00:40:29,185 >> You can't read the name? 1144 00:40:29,185 --> 00:40:30,040 >> No, I can't. 1145 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,750 I can't make it out. [OVERLAPPING]. 1146 00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:32,940 >> [inaudible] mine. 1147 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:36,980 >> What's your name? 1148 00:40:37,650 --> 00:40:40,555 >> My name is Chambers. 1149 00:40:40,555 --> 00:40:41,980 >> First name? 1150 00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:43,285 >> Janine. 1151 00:40:43,285 --> 00:40:45,190 >> What was her score? 1152 00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:46,420 >> Six. 1153 00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:48,970 >> Next? 1154 00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:50,755 >> E. Riley with a five. 1155 00:40:50,755 --> 00:40:51,400 >> E? 1156 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,810 >> E. Riley. 1157 00:40:52,810 --> 00:40:55,640 >> Would E. Riley please stand. 1158 00:40:59,730 --> 00:41:03,144 What you do to the image of blues 1159 00:41:03,144 --> 00:41:06,895 with your behavior is unfortunate. 1160 00:41:06,895 --> 00:41:08,530 What you three people 1161 00:41:08,530 --> 00:41:10,285 do to the image of women, 1162 00:41:10,285 --> 00:41:13,765 with your behavior really makes me angry. 1163 00:41:13,765 --> 00:41:15,850 The fact that you do this thing and 1164 00:41:15,850 --> 00:41:18,955 this sloppy work reflects badly on women. 1165 00:41:18,955 --> 00:41:22,510 I resent that doubly. Yes. 1166 00:41:22,510 --> 00:41:24,640 >> Ma'am, I'd really appreciate it if you'd 1167 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:25,810 call us by name when 1168 00:41:25,810 --> 00:41:26,920 you say you three people, 1169 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,570 we don't know who you're speaking to. 1170 00:41:28,570 --> 00:41:29,710 It could be anyone here. 1171 00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:30,970 >> My idea, if you wanted 1172 00:41:30,970 --> 00:41:32,230 me to call you by name, 1173 00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:34,330 you'd have put your name on your paper. 1174 00:41:34,330 --> 00:41:35,605 >> It's on my-. 1175 00:41:35,605 --> 00:41:37,450 >> It was was to be on your paper. 1176 00:41:37,450 --> 00:41:39,190 >> You didn't see my papers ma'am. 1177 00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:39,320 [OVERLAPPING] 1178 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,420 >> I didn't get your name either 1179 00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:41,785 because it wasn't on your paper. 1180 00:41:41,785 --> 00:41:42,535 >> That's right. 1181 00:41:42,535 --> 00:41:43,630 >> Now, how can one call 1182 00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:44,680 you by your name if you 1183 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,550 don't care enough about 1184 00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:46,720 your name to put it on your paper. 1185 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:48,580 >> You don't know how to read? [OVERLAPPING]. 1186 00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:49,975 >> Don't expect me to worry about it, 1187 00:41:49,975 --> 00:41:51,805 if you don't put it on your paper. 1188 00:41:51,805 --> 00:41:53,140 Don't sit here and say 1189 00:41:53,140 --> 00:41:55,045 my name is important to me, 1190 00:41:55,045 --> 00:41:56,470 after you have just 1191 00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:59,290 deliberately not put it on your paper. 1192 00:41:59,290 --> 00:41:59,710 [OVERLAPPING] You're 1193 00:41:59,710 --> 00:42:01,870 being totally unrealistic. 1194 00:42:01,870 --> 00:42:02,600 >> I don't remember saying my name 1195 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:02,900 was important to me. 1196 00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:03,070 I remember 1197 00:42:03,070 --> 00:42:04,240 saying I'd like to know who you're 1198 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,685 speaking to when you say you three. 1199 00:42:06,685 --> 00:42:08,815 >> Then what should you do? 1200 00:42:08,815 --> 00:42:12,130 >> Ask you to use my name, which I did. 1201 00:42:12,130 --> 00:42:13,900 >> Where should your name have been? 1202 00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:15,160 >> Right where it is. 1203 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,060 >> On your paper around? 1204 00:42:16,060 --> 00:42:17,110 >> On my birth certificate. 1205 00:42:17,110 --> 00:42:18,250 >> Is it on your paper? 1206 00:42:18,250 --> 00:42:19,360 >> No, ma'am. 1207 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,580 >> Where did you get a birth certificate? 1208 00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:23,125 >> Same place you got yours. 1209 00:42:23,125 --> 00:42:24,310 >> Out a slot machine, 1210 00:42:24,310 --> 00:42:25,990 same as you did lady. [LAUGHTER] 1211 00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:27,070 >> I think you're probably 1212 00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:28,330 right about your own. [OVERLAPPING] 1213 00:42:28,330 --> 00:42:32,080 >> At least I know who my parents are ma'am. 1214 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,520 >> Is she being rude? 1215 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,180 >> Yes. 1216 00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:35,290 >> She being inconsiderate? 1217 00:42:35,290 --> 00:42:35,710 >> Very. 1218 00:42:35,710 --> 00:42:36,790 >> She being uncooperative? 1219 00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:37,180 >> Very. 1220 00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:38,125 >> She being insultive? 1221 00:42:38,125 --> 00:42:38,590 >> Yes. 1222 00:42:38,590 --> 00:42:39,820 >> Are all those the things that we've 1223 00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:41,725 accused blue eyed people would be? 1224 00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:42,685 >> Yes. 1225 00:42:42,685 --> 00:42:44,335 >> Is she proving that we're right? 1226 00:42:44,335 --> 00:42:46,100 >> Yes. 1227 00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:50,485 >> Does anyone have any 1228 00:42:50,485 --> 00:42:52,105 comments to make at this point? 1229 00:42:52,105 --> 00:42:53,710 >> Do you feel that there 1230 00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:55,540 are important blue eyed people? 1231 00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:57,625 >> There are exceptions to every rule. 1232 00:42:57,625 --> 00:42:59,155 >> What are those exceptions? 1233 00:42:59,155 --> 00:42:59,560 >> There are 1234 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,035 a few important blue eyed people. 1235 00:43:02,035 --> 00:43:03,280 >> Very few? 1236 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,410 >> You said that. [OVERLAPPING] 1237 00:43:04,410 --> 00:43:06,760 >> Do you think that you're one of them. 1238 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,360 >> No. 1239 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,590 >> That's good. 1240 00:43:08,590 --> 00:43:10,360 >> Why are you up there then? 1241 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,710 >> I'm blue-eyed, the difference 1242 00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:12,940 between you and me is I 1243 00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:14,140 have a brown eyed husband 1244 00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:15,340 and brown eyed offspring. 1245 00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:16,420 [LAUGHTER] I've learned how to 1246 00:43:16,420 --> 00:43:18,670 behave in a brown eyed society. 1247 00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:21,085 When you can act brown enough, 1248 00:43:21,085 --> 00:43:23,890 then you too can be where I am. 1249 00:43:23,890 --> 00:43:26,200 >> I wouldn't want to be where you are. 1250 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,475 >> Are you certain? 1251 00:43:27,475 --> 00:43:29,620 >> Absolutely positive. 1252 00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:30,775 >> You like where you are. 1253 00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:32,500 >> I love where I am. 1254 00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:34,450 >> You like it so much that you don't even 1255 00:43:34,450 --> 00:43:36,820 identify your self on your paper? 1256 00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:39,350 >> I don't need to lady. 1257 00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:41,710 >> Her using the term 1258 00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:42,790 lady where I'm concerned, 1259 00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:43,900 what do you think she's trying to do? 1260 00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:46,105 [OVERLAPPING] Is it ignorance 1261 00:43:46,105 --> 00:43:48,505 or is it deliberately insulting? 1262 00:43:48,505 --> 00:43:49,960 >> [OVERLAPPING] I wouldn't say it was 1263 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,445 deliberately insulting. 1264 00:43:51,445 --> 00:43:52,720 >> If it's ignorance, 1265 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,520 she needs to be taught, 1266 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,170 that do many of us, 1267 00:43:56,170 --> 00:43:58,645 the word lady is a pejorative. 1268 00:43:58,645 --> 00:43:59,650 I don't appreciate it. 1269 00:43:59,650 --> 00:44:01,660 [OVERLAPPING] It's a put 1270 00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:03,580 down and it's used 1271 00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:05,335 to keep women in their place. 1272 00:44:05,335 --> 00:44:06,535 >> Call you by the correct name. 1273 00:44:06,535 --> 00:44:07,780 >> I'm sorry? 1274 00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:09,220 >> I will call you by your correct name 1275 00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:11,095 after this, I won't be kind. 1276 00:44:11,095 --> 00:44:13,180 >> That was kindness on your part? 1277 00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:15,220 >> Yes, I think calling someone 1278 00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:16,645 a lady is a kindness. 1279 00:44:16,645 --> 00:44:18,010 >> Then your problem is ignorance. 1280 00:44:18,010 --> 00:44:20,320 >> You can call me lady anytime you'd like. 1281 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,655 >> I wouldn't do that to you. 1282 00:44:21,655 --> 00:44:22,750 >> Now I know you wouldn't. 1283 00:44:22,750 --> 00:44:24,310 >> I really wouldn't. 1284 00:44:24,310 --> 00:44:26,395 That's part of the problem. 1285 00:44:26,395 --> 00:44:28,060 Is a total lack of 1286 00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:31,645 awareness at what sexism amounts to, 1287 00:44:31,645 --> 00:44:34,360 and how much you contribute to 1288 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,885 the sexism that keeps you where you are. 1289 00:44:37,885 --> 00:44:40,510 >> I like where I am lady. 1290 00:44:40,510 --> 00:44:43,330 I did again, didn't I? 1291 00:44:43,330 --> 00:44:43,915 >> Yes. 1292 00:44:43,915 --> 00:44:44,950 >> I'm getting kind of fed up with 1293 00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:45,770 this whole bunch of garbage. 1294 00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:46,030 [OVERLAPPING] 1295 00:44:46,030 --> 00:44:46,435 >> What? 1296 00:44:46,435 --> 00:44:48,280 >> Brown eyed peoples are 1297 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,170 no different than we are. 1298 00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:52,240 I hate to tell them that they have 1299 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,190 these false delusions and such. 1300 00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:55,840 >> Are they being disruptive? 1301 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,530 >> There were trained well. 1302 00:44:56,530 --> 00:44:58,930 >> No, you train them very well. 1303 00:44:58,930 --> 00:45:00,970 I think that's what they did with 1304 00:45:00,970 --> 00:45:02,650 the Storm Troopers in Germany also. 1305 00:45:02,650 --> 00:45:04,165 You guys do a real good job, 1306 00:45:04,165 --> 00:45:04,980 sitting up there. 1307 00:45:04,980 --> 00:45:05,500 >> You think that what's happening 1308 00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:06,670 here today feels like 1309 00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:08,665 it would have felt in Nazi Germany? 1310 00:45:08,665 --> 00:45:09,300 >> Yes, sure. 1311 00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:11,230 >> Who do you think you are in that then? 1312 00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:12,955 >> Where do I think I am? 1313 00:45:12,955 --> 00:45:15,890 >> If you were in Nazi Germany, who are you? 1314 00:45:16,110 --> 00:45:23,620 >> The Jews? [NOISE] 1315 00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:25,570 >> After a break for lunch, 1316 00:45:25,570 --> 00:45:26,530 Jane Elliott helped 1317 00:45:26,530 --> 00:45:28,405 the Corrections Department employees 1318 00:45:28,405 --> 00:45:30,730 analyze what had happened. 1319 00:45:30,730 --> 00:45:32,650 >> Did you learn anything this morning? 1320 00:45:32,650 --> 00:45:34,150 >> I think I learned from the experience 1321 00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:35,830 of feeling like I was in a glass cage, 1322 00:45:35,830 --> 00:45:37,900 I was powerless, there was a sense of 1323 00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:41,560 hopelessness, I was angry. 1324 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,865 I wanted to speak it up and yet 1325 00:45:42,865 --> 00:45:45,070 at times I knew if I spoke up, 1326 00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:46,690 I'll be back in a powerless 1327 00:45:46,690 --> 00:45:49,520 situation, I'd be attacked. 1328 00:45:49,530 --> 00:45:52,045 The sense of hopelessness, 1329 00:45:52,045 --> 00:45:52,840 oppresion [OVERLAPPING]. 1330 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,540 >> Had you ever experienced that before? 1331 00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:57,610 >> I realized this morning that there are 1332 00:45:57,610 --> 00:45:59,290 very few times in my life that I've ever 1333 00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:01,480 been discriminated against, very few. 1334 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,160 >> You are this uncomfortable 1335 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,435 in an hour and a half? 1336 00:46:04,435 --> 00:46:06,370 >> I was amazed at how uncomfortable I 1337 00:46:06,370 --> 00:46:08,380 was in the first 15 minutes. 1338 00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:11,530 >> Can you empathize at all then with blacks, 1339 00:46:11,530 --> 00:46:13,150 minority group members in this country? 1340 00:46:13,150 --> 00:46:15,985 >> I'm hoping better than before. 1341 00:46:15,985 --> 00:46:18,040 >> We tried to argue with you. 1342 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,420 You would use just the mere argument as 1343 00:46:22,420 --> 00:46:24,250 reason for us being 1344 00:46:24,250 --> 00:46:26,935 lesser than the brown-eyed folks. 1345 00:46:26,935 --> 00:46:28,150 You know, you couldn't win. 1346 00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:29,995 >> Yeah, don't we do that every day? 1347 00:46:29,995 --> 00:46:32,080 >> I think some do, yeah. 1348 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,520 But I would hope that 1349 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,040 I never get so unreasonable. 1350 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,750 The statement you were making 1351 00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:38,770 were groundless and 1352 00:46:38,770 --> 00:46:39,910 such and yet we couldn't argue 1353 00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:41,080 with them because if we argue, 1354 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,730 then we were argumentative and not listening 1355 00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:48,220 and getting into our place and all 1356 00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:51,625 that stuff and that was frustrating to me, 1357 00:46:51,625 --> 00:46:53,020 and then frustrating to me was 1358 00:46:53,020 --> 00:46:55,060 the other little green tags 1359 00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:56,395 are sitting on their hands. 1360 00:46:56,395 --> 00:46:58,015 My group here was, 1361 00:46:58,015 --> 00:47:00,070 I didn't think, boisterous 1362 00:47:00,070 --> 00:47:02,350 enough in our opposition to the whole thing. 1363 00:47:02,350 --> 00:47:05,510 >> Why didn't you people support one another? 1364 00:47:07,050 --> 00:47:09,070 The blue eyed people on this 1365 00:47:09,070 --> 00:47:10,840 side just sat there, 1366 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,670 and let's face it, you 1367 00:47:12,670 --> 00:47:15,980 covered your asses, right? 1368 00:47:16,290 --> 00:47:19,615 Why did you just sit there? 1369 00:47:19,615 --> 00:47:22,150 >> I think that's symptomatic 1370 00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:23,395 of the problem as a whole. 1371 00:47:23,395 --> 00:47:25,750 We see that in society in general. 1372 00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:27,490 We see a few people who are making lot of 1373 00:47:27,490 --> 00:47:29,140 noise and the rest of 1374 00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:30,340 the people sitting back waiting 1375 00:47:30,340 --> 00:47:31,375 to see what they're going to do. 1376 00:47:31,375 --> 00:47:32,530 >> Okay. As long as I was picking 1377 00:47:32,530 --> 00:47:33,940 on him, I was leaving you alone? 1378 00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:34,555 >> Right. 1379 00:47:34,555 --> 00:47:36,055 >> I'd say a lot of people 1380 00:47:36,055 --> 00:47:38,290 accept that they let a few people do 1381 00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:40,300 the fighting for them and may stand 1382 00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:42,460 back and if this person's going to win, 1383 00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:43,645 then they'll get on this side, 1384 00:47:43,645 --> 00:47:45,565 but if that person's not going to win, 1385 00:47:45,565 --> 00:47:47,560 they'll stay back over here. 1386 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,630 That's just how it works. 1387 00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:51,490 >> If you were in a real situation 1388 00:47:51,490 --> 00:47:53,650 where you had to do something about racism, 1389 00:47:53,650 --> 00:47:56,005 would you stand up and be counted? 1390 00:47:56,005 --> 00:47:57,430 >> What I would do, I don't know. 1391 00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:58,323 It would depend on the exigency. 1392 00:47:58,323 --> 00:47:58,660 [OVERLAPPING] 1393 00:47:58,660 --> 00:47:59,440 >> But you would do something? 1394 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:00,550 >> I would have to do something. 1395 00:48:00,550 --> 00:48:02,200 I couldn't go home tonight 1396 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,010 and face my kids if I didn't. 1397 00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:05,730 >> How did you brown-eyed people 1398 00:48:05,730 --> 00:48:07,755 feel while this was going on? 1399 00:48:07,755 --> 00:48:09,390 >> It was a relief it 1400 00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:10,875 wasn't a blue-eyed person. 1401 00:48:10,875 --> 00:48:11,790 >> Sense of relief that 1402 00:48:11,790 --> 00:48:12,540 you had the right colour 1403 00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:15,615 of eyes?Absolutely. 1404 00:48:15,615 --> 00:48:17,240 >> I really understood, 1405 00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:19,420 at least I felt that I understood, 1406 00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:21,565 what it was like to be in the minority. 1407 00:48:21,565 --> 00:48:23,200 >> Why were you angry? 1408 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,025 >> First of all, because it was unreasonable. 1409 00:48:27,025 --> 00:48:28,660 Secondly, because I felt 1410 00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:30,085 discriminated against. 1411 00:48:30,085 --> 00:48:31,975 Thirdly, I think that all of us, 1412 00:48:31,975 --> 00:48:33,715 everyone in this room has dealt 1413 00:48:33,715 --> 00:48:35,905 with discrimination on both sides. 1414 00:48:35,905 --> 00:48:38,950 You don't have to be black or Jewish 1415 00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:41,170 or Mexican or anything 1416 00:48:41,170 --> 00:48:41,950 else to have felt 1417 00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:43,450 discrimination in your life, 1418 00:48:43,450 --> 00:48:45,190 and as you become an adult, 1419 00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:47,110 you learn to deal 1420 00:48:47,110 --> 00:48:49,075 with those feelings within yourself, 1421 00:48:49,075 --> 00:48:51,490 you learn to handle those and when you feel 1422 00:48:51,490 --> 00:48:53,979 yourself in a situation 1423 00:48:53,979 --> 00:48:56,560 that you can't get out of which we couldn't, 1424 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,570 we were captive audience. 1425 00:48:58,570 --> 00:49:00,550 It was not a normal situation 1426 00:49:00,550 --> 00:49:02,140 because normally aren't badgered. 1427 00:49:02,140 --> 00:49:03,670 >> What if you 1428 00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:06,470 had to spend the rest of your life this way? 1429 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,850 >> I don't know how to answer that. 1430 00:49:09,850 --> 00:49:11,080 >> You don't wake up every 1431 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,120 morning knowing that you're different, 1432 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,190 you wake up as a white woman who was 1433 00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:16,405 going to her job at 1434 00:49:16,405 --> 00:49:17,695 eight o' clock or whatever, 1435 00:49:17,695 --> 00:49:18,820 for a black person is 1436 00:49:18,820 --> 00:49:19,960 going to wake up knowing for 1437 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,250 a minute they get up out of 1438 00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:21,850 the bed and look in 1439 00:49:21,850 --> 00:49:22,825 the mirror, they're black, 1440 00:49:22,825 --> 00:49:24,190 and they have to deal with the problems 1441 00:49:24,190 --> 00:49:25,300 they've had to deal with ever since 1442 00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:27,370 they were young and realize that I am 1443 00:49:27,370 --> 00:49:28,630 different and I have to deal 1444 00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:29,860 with life differently. 1445 00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:32,270 Things are different for me. 1446 00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:34,690 I don't think you can 1447 00:49:34,690 --> 00:49:35,995 really say that you have felt, 1448 00:49:35,995 --> 00:49:37,750 maybe you felt some sort of discrimination, 1449 00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:39,730 but you haven't felt what it is 1450 00:49:39,730 --> 00:49:41,800 like for a black woman to go 1451 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,420 through the daily experiences 1452 00:49:43,420 --> 00:49:46,120 of arguing and saying, 1453 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,790 listen to me, my point of view is good, 1454 00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:50,725 what I have to offer here is good, 1455 00:49:50,725 --> 00:49:52,280 and no one wants to listen. 1456 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,105 Because white is right, 1457 00:49:54,105 --> 00:49:56,270 that's the way things are. 1458 00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:58,480 >> I think the necessity for 1459 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,430 this exercise is a crime. 1460 00:50:00,430 --> 00:50:02,530 No, I don't want to see it used more widely. 1461 00:50:02,530 --> 00:50:04,270 I wanted to see it's the necessity 1462 00:50:04,270 --> 00:50:06,340 for it wiped out and I think if 1463 00:50:06,340 --> 00:50:08,825 educators were determined that we could 1464 00:50:08,825 --> 00:50:10,860 be very instrumental in wiping 1465 00:50:10,860 --> 00:50:13,115 out the necessity for this exercise. 1466 00:50:13,115 --> 00:50:16,030 But I want to see something used. 1467 00:50:16,030 --> 00:50:18,070 I'd like to see this exercise used with 1468 00:50:18,070 --> 00:50:20,890 all teachers, all administrators, 1469 00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:22,120 but certainly not with all 1470 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,340 students unless it's done 1471 00:50:24,340 --> 00:50:25,630 by people who are doing it for 1472 00:50:25,630 --> 00:50:28,015 the right reasons and in the right way. 1473 00:50:28,015 --> 00:50:29,800 I think you could damage a child with 1474 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,260 this exercise very, very easily. 1475 00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:34,630 I would never suggest 1476 00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:36,500 that everybody should use it. 1477 00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:38,760 I think you could have 1478 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,230 training classes for teachers, 1479 00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:42,120 bring them in, put them through the thing, 1480 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,370 explain what happened, do the debriefing, 1481 00:50:44,370 --> 00:50:47,055 and then practice doing this until 1482 00:50:47,055 --> 00:50:49,335 a group of teachers 1483 00:50:49,335 --> 00:50:51,780 were able to do it on their own, and I did. 1484 00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:55,875 Teachers are not disabled learners, 1485 00:50:55,875 --> 00:50:58,170 they could learn to do this, obviously. 1486 00:50:58,170 --> 00:51:00,420 If I can do it, most anyone can do it. 1487 00:51:00,420 --> 00:51:01,740 It doesn't make a super teacher 1488 00:51:01,740 --> 00:51:03,590 to do this exercise. 1489 00:51:03,590 --> 00:51:05,530 >> What began in a third 1490 00:51:05,530 --> 00:51:07,510 grade classroom has spread 1491 00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:09,805 from students to teachers, 1492 00:51:09,805 --> 00:51:11,665 to corrections officers. 1493 00:51:11,665 --> 00:51:13,450 At the center, is still 1494 00:51:13,450 --> 00:51:15,400 a single teacher determined 1495 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,005 to inoculate her students, 1496 00:51:17,005 --> 00:51:18,295 both young and old, 1497 00:51:18,295 --> 00:51:21,230 against the virus of bigotry. 1498 00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:25,090 >> After you do this exercise, 1499 00:51:25,090 --> 00:51:26,575 when the debriefing starts, 1500 00:51:26,575 --> 00:51:28,180 when the pain is over and you're all back 1501 00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:29,965 together and you're all one again, 1502 00:51:29,965 --> 00:51:31,840 you find out how society could 1503 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,490 be if we really 1504 00:51:33,490 --> 00:51:35,620 believed all this stuff that we preach, 1505 00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:37,630 if we really acted that way. 1506 00:51:37,630 --> 00:51:39,910 You could feel as good about one another as 1507 00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:41,290 those kids feel about one another 1508 00:51:41,290 --> 00:51:43,165 after this exercise is over, 1509 00:51:43,165 --> 00:51:45,205 you create instant cousins. 1510 00:51:45,205 --> 00:51:46,060 I thought maybe that 1511 00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:47,440 lasted just while they were in 1512 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,460 my classroom because of 1513 00:51:48,460 --> 00:51:50,560 my superior influence. 1514 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,240 But indeed, these kids still 1515 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,845 feel that way about one another. 1516 00:51:53,845 --> 00:51:55,300 They said yesterday over 1517 00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:57,085 and over the remark was made, 1518 00:51:57,085 --> 00:51:59,485 We're kind of like a family now. 1519 00:51:59,485 --> 00:52:02,155 They found out how to hurt one another, 1520 00:52:02,155 --> 00:52:03,790 and they found out how it feels to 1521 00:52:03,790 --> 00:52:05,500 be hurt in that way, 1522 00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:07,300 and they refuse to hurt one another 1523 00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:08,830 that way again, and they said, 1524 00:52:08,830 --> 00:52:10,090 We're kind of like a family now, 1525 00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:11,110 and indeed we were. 1526 00:52:11,110 --> 00:53:02,000 [MUSIC]